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    What is beauty? Specifically, what is it to be a beautiful person? This has long been considered one of those imponderable questions, akin to asking about the meaning of life. But this does not mean that we cannot have a valuable and substantive discussion. Beauty, of course, is partly subjective, but it is also partly...
  • @Rebel Roy
    I agree that Jews want to diminish Aryan/Nordic people.Actually they want to destroy us.But you play right into the Satanic Jew hands when you blather about evolution and us being related to chimps.That's all sick talk and you could repeat it a million times and I would still correctly recognize it as Jew lies.Our Father in Heaven made White people(Germanic/Nordic/Aryan)in his image.Race mixing is blasphemy and destroys God's work.The Satanic Jews hate God and Jesus and the children created in their image.We are in an epic battle between the pure creations of God and the forces of Hell which want mongrel races,transgender freaks,men with men,parents with no kids pretending pets are children,art and architecture not beautiful and natural but perverted and ugly,etc.You carry the Jews water when you talk of evolution nonsense and millions of years.You're brainwashed.Evolution is not possible.Saying something is seven million years old makes you seem retarded because there is no way on God's Earth to know that.Long live the White race.Always trust the Master Jesus.And never try to prove Whites are superior with Jewish filthy lies.We know we are superior,everyone knows we are.It is the destiny written in the Bible that even our beautiful race will end.But the victory is won by the blood of Christ,and this is not our home.Please embrace God,He alone created blonde hair/blue eyes and not the weather.Stop sounding like someone who doesn't use their brain and regurgitates nonsense from lying Jew books.I am not attacking you,but you are wrong.

    Replies: @Ray Caruso, @anonymous, @advancedatheist, @Dany, @TREG, @anonymous, @Roland Taran, @G J T, @GoySoy, @Lagertha

    Agree. We blonde-haired people with blue eyes are the Lumerians. Hyperborea was just another name for our land before God (source of All-Being/Mother-Father Consciousness) decided to kill-off the decadent Sumerians/Babylonians in the Great Flood. Noah was able to save just a few of us. And, others survived at higher altitudes. People who had a pure heart survived – like the Navajo, Shoshone…

    And, yes, for all of you who “get it,” saying we are descended from apes, is the biggest bunch of bullshitmade up by the “bad people” whodo not want us to know our true identity. We will ascend, soon. People who are stuck in 3D, and, have done bad things to children (in particular), will be left behind to die. Sorry this sounds so weird and apocalyptic…but blondes are not dumb, and, we certainly do not like cruel & evil people. You are either with Jesus or you are not.

  • @Anonymous
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Maybe I'm a dark Italian or Greek and don't appreciate me or my ancestors being thrown under the bus as "less than" whites. Southern Europeans laid the foundations for Western civilization. The classics were written by our ancestors. We invented philosophy and built the great coliseums. It wasn't the Nordics or the Irish or German barbarians.

    Replies: @Bookish1, @c matt

    Strange, when you look at Italian surnames ending in “i”, they are very similar to the names of German barbaric tribes ascribed to them by the Romans (Alemanni, Mattiaci, Cherusci, Chatti, Osi, Cotini)

  • @Anon
    @Mary Marianne

    Your perspective seems tailor-made to suit the broken ego of a white female, who is struggling to compete with Asian women for men's attention.

    However, it isn't true. Marriages between white men and Asian women have risen since 1980. And, Asian men in the West have out-earned white men for decades. So money isn't a big deal at all.


    Asian women really do prefer white men, for reasons including their looks, like most women. However, the catch is that these intermarriages aren't motivated by Asian female desire for white men. It's the opposite. All races of men prefer Asian women, and it is this preference that drives the intermarriages.


    It has been demonstrated again and again that men tend to prefer women of East Asian and mixed-Asian appearance.

    https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/lewis-2012.png

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hongwei-Liang/publication/326561174/figure/fig1/AS:651692219572224@1532386941776/Response-patterns-in-the-Facebook-dating-app-Are-You-Interested-1-The-numbers.png


    https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/672/90/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png



    The reason for this universal preference among men is biological. Asian women are the pinnacle of female beauty, whereas evolution has not cleaned up the latent "maleness" of white women.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437


    Marriages between White men and Asian women are over twice as frequent as those between White women and Asian men. Recent research has proposed that this imbalance may be explained by the finding that, on average, White men are perceived as more attractive than Asian men, and Asian women are perceived as more attractive than White women, possibly because Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces. Here, we explore whether Asian faces are perceived as more feminine than White faces.
     
    Even white men who married white women don't truly prefer them. That much is obvious to married white women, who seem to seem to pay a psychological toll from proximity to Asian females.


    https://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2015/09/blond-sexy-and-immigrant

    According to Lundström there is much focus on whiteness in Singapore. Ads for skin whitening products are common, and whiteness is the ideal. But the ideal of beauty is not a white, blond western woman.

    “Western women were ranked below the Chinese in the racial hierarchy. The western whiteness is not as posh as the Singaporean, Chinese whiteness,” says Lundström.

    Swedish women in the US were very preoccupied with American men, whereas the Swedish women in Singapore were not the least interested in Asian men. They focused on their Swedish husbands. Asian women, on the other hand, represented a possible rival, since Swedish men found Asian women attractive.

    “The Swedish women in Singapore were almost desexualised. They felt less feminine,” says Lundström
     
    Given that Asian women continue to select for white men in the West, even when Asian men have earned more money and built their countries up to 1st world status, I think your prediction is highly improbable.

    Replies: @Sean, @Red Pill Angel, @Vinnyvette, @Anonymous, @Mary Marianne, @c matt

    Asian culture prizes light skin not because they want to be “Aryan” but because light skin is considered upper class – that is, you are lazing about in the palace, not laboring under the sun.

  • @Autisticus Spasticus
    Regarding pigmentation, the most attractive combination is light eyes, dark hair and pale skin, simply because this combination achieves maximum contrast.

    I am currently writing a book (The Historical Absence of Feminine Facial Morphology in European Art and Culture) wherein I make the case that authentic female beauty did not exist, not in the arts and likely not in reality either, until the mid-20th century. It is close to 30,000 words at the moment. Perhaps you might find my thesis interesting. As I explain in great detail, even a cursory glance at Greco-Roman statuary reveals an astonishing lack of femininity. Large noses, large chins and small lips are the quintessential features. This morphology does not possess positive valence from a rational perspective, nor is it endocrinologically feminine. People continue to be awed by it, which is inexplicable to me, though perhaps this is feigned. But I am most surprised that white nationalists, of all people, are oblivious to the brutishness of the Greco-Roman canon, which dominated European culture until the early 20th century, despite being biologically impoverished.

    Anyone who wishes to know more, including Dalton, may request to contact me.

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Corvinus, @c matt

    It is not the features per se that awe, but the skill of the sculptor to turn stone into something life-like with basically a hammer and chisel.

  • I am a black haired brunette , brownish eyed White. Am I jealous of blonde / blue eyed Whites ? Yes. Am Iso jealous that I want every single one of themgenocided out of existence, because I will never have them ? NO!!!! NEVER !!!!That’s the difference between me and similar looking , leftist Whites , and all the other non White races. That is the aim of such “peoples”. Genocide, by either murdering, or even worse, by miscegenation, so that the children have neither feature, nor will the offspring of those children have them, and on and on down the road. leftist, racist mission accomplished.

    Keep Blond ,Blue Eyed people pure ,by any means necessary!!!! Drill it into their minds why they must never miscegenate, to never be attracted to anyone of a different race or look!!!!

  • @Biden Molests Dogs
    Perhaps its just jewry in england, perhaps its just my limited exposure to jews, but the only jews ive had contact with on a daily basis have all had red hair. Hardly the 'swarthy' stereotype.

    Think daniel finkelstein


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcTNJXlXkAACFmd?format=jpg&name=small

    Replies: @Carroll price, @eckbach

    That makes sense since Edom means “red.”

  • @Katrinka
    Pink nipples matter.

    Given the choice what man wants a woman with dark nipples?

    Replies: @_dude, @AZTK21

    Great point. Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, hourglass figure, and those beautiful pink nipples are the most desirous traits possible for a female.

  • More important – is no pointy or bulbous noses (Common in Middle East, but everywhere)

    Baby-like nose is best.

    No flat chested women – and no implants.

    Normal female voice

    No bitchiness.

    The causes behind these are personality – lying deliberately makes your nose grow bigger. But also PRIDE. Self-xxx, self-important type feelings.

    Flat-chested / voice / bitchiness – EMF exposure and microplastics (Affecting estrogen).

    HWP – Height – weight proportionate – EMF and diet.

    Light colored eyes – yes. Also has to do with the state of the soul.

    Less/ not concerned about hair color. A simple analysis of women I’ve been attracted to for example – would show black, brunette, or blond. For most of my life – I’ve been more attracted to brunettes. This also has to do with past lives…..but that’s another story.

    Skin color – has more to do with UV / sun exposure. Nina Jablowski research

    …oh…and preferably natural beauty – no makeup.

  • American Renaissance is delighted to announce that Professor Amy Wax of University of Pennsylvania School of Law will be speaking at our conference this fall. The title of her talk will be “Can America Handle ‘Race Realism’? Can It Survive Without It?” I have written elsewhere that Prof. Wax is “the most fearless academic in...
  • @Priss Factor
    She makes more sense

    https://twitter.com/KimIversenShow/status/1828869044516057449

    Replies: @TrumpWon

    One might as well request that in the interest of fairness that the leaders of Oppression and Grievance Studies and purveyors of Woke schlock perform the same calculations for the alleged “victims of colonialism” which I find to be a relentlessly obnoxious trope as it:

    a) ignores the massive benefits accrued to colonized peoples in the form of Modern everything (aka civilization)
    b) is willfully blind to the harms done to colonists and settlers in their misguided attempts to perceive and treat the natives as humans or convert them to Christianity.
    c) never provides a preferable alternative condition to what would otherwise remain a Stone Age culture.
    d) again blames whites (and never calling out the “Hispanics” who were by far the largest part of European colonialism) for the ills of the natural world like disease, instead fabricating myths about “smallpox blankets” and other such vicious lies.

    The truth of the matter is that in retrospect, it was a huge tactical error for European colonists and settlers NOT to have instead embarked on campaigns of extermination, of actual “genocide”. To understand why, one only has to perform the final binary assessment of whether the present condition of humanity as a global whole would be better or worse today. And its obvious that the Third World imperils the First, and that the general condition of humanity as a species is far degraded from what it would be, had there been such a policy instead of the disastrous attempts to see the world’s primitive peoples in the best possible (albeit completely false) light in which they did.

    And some may claim its far too late for finger-pointing, but because its still operant and still preventing a realistic approach to the problems , one has to identify the historical culprits of the Abrahamic religions, for poisoning the intellectual discourse and making honest, rational, candid assessments of the human condition a virtual impossibility. One also can trace this toxic dogmatic influence thru to its influence on academia and moral philosophy. This is the structural fault into which the communists have driven all of their many wedges.

  • For this movement in this era of open genocide by Israel, those on the fence about Palestine (seems over half the movement) are net zeroes. Those on the J-side of the fence, like Taylor in showcasing Wax, are now a net loss.

  • jared taylor is a useless pathetic servant of his jewish superiors.

  • @DanFromCT
    @pyrrhus

    What you say is statistically true, yet at the bottom of black crime you’ll find those most responsible for it today are the moral scum who teach at and attend places like Penn law school, whom even a child can see have little more purpose than justifying black crime against their white parents.

    Someone wrote a book about the deplorable education standards at Harvard Law School, likening students to morons with a fourth-grade education in English—literally. This wasn’t meant as a little hyperbolic humor, and that was decades ago.

    In this instance, just look at the infantile posters drawn by the lesbo-feminist law students at Penn in that photo above. That photo is probably representative of the student body, with seven unbathed dykes and two gay boys hanging out in the library lounge. I’m being generous when I say they are total morons totally incapable of upholding the law, for whom law serves no other purpose and incentive than emasculating their fathers and destroying America.

    Replies: @Mike Conrad

    Amy Wax is indeed courageous, insofar as she dares to quote facts and statistics. That’s a big no-no in our society today.

    But why doesn’t she inoculate herself against any and all criticism by pulling the J card? All she has to do is go claim that her detractors are anti-semitic and that’s the end of the matter.

    Surely she knows this.

  • • Replies:@TrumpWon
    @Priss Factor

    One might as well request that in the interest of fairness that the leaders of Oppression and Grievance Studies and purveyors of Woke schlock perform the same calculations for the alleged "victims of colonialism" which I find to be a relentlessly obnoxious trope as it:

    a) ignores the massive benefits accrued to colonized peoples in the form of Modern everything (aka civilization)
    b) is willfully blind to the harms done to colonists and settlers in their misguided attempts to perceive and treat the natives as humans or convert them to Christianity.
    c) never provides a preferable alternative condition to what would otherwise remain a Stone Age culture.
    d) again blames whites (and never calling out the "Hispanics" who were by far the largest part of European colonialism) for the ills of the natural world like disease, instead fabricating myths about "smallpox blankets" and other such vicious lies.

    The truth of the matter is that in retrospect, it was a huge tactical error for European colonists and settlers NOT to have instead embarked on campaigns of extermination, of actual "genocide". To understand why, one only has to perform the final binary assessment of whether the present condition of humanity as a global whole would be better or worse today. And its obvious that the Third World imperils the First, and that the general condition of humanity as a species is far degraded from what it would be, had there been such a policy instead of the disastrous attempts to see the world's primitive peoples in the best possible (albeit completely false) light in which they did.

    And some may claim its far too late for finger-pointing, but because its still operant and still preventing a realistic approach to the problems , one has to identify the historical culprits of the Abrahamic religions, for poisoning the intellectual discourse and making honest, rational, candid assessments of the human condition a virtual impossibility. One also can trace this toxic dogmatic influence thru to its influence on academia and moral philosophy. This is the structural fault into which the communists have driven all of their many wedges.

  • “a final decision has not yet been made”

    Being ancient, and having a loose brain, whenever I hear the above used with regard to what will happen to somebody, I think of the lyric from “The MTA Song” by The Kingston Trio…”His fate is still unlearn’d”. Expanding the excerpt…

    Did he ever return?
    No he never returned
    And his fate is still unlearn’d

  • Amy was my classmate at Columbia Law in late 80s. She is a fearless truth teller (let’s give her a break on questions of Jewish power) living at the heart of elite establishment power.

  • @Priss Factor
    @anonymous

    Jews who name the Jewish power are admirable and part of the team.

    Jews who join the Right to silence criticism of Jewish power and defend Zionism are not to be trusted.

    Replies: @EL_Kabong

    Distinction without any functional difference. Just look at what happened to IHR and John Birch Society. I’m sure there are others I’ve left out. It’s always the same pattern and it’s always Jews.

  • As long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians

    I can think of some other ethnic groups one could substitute for “Asians” in that sentence (and more subversive behaviors than “support[ing] Democrats”).

  • @Oil Can Harry
    Wax’s statements have included claiming that Black students never graduate at the top of the Penn Carey Law class and that “non-Western groups” are resentful towards “Western people.”

    Are these leftards harping on the fact that the paragraph is technically untrue because a tiny number of black students graduate at the top of the class and some Third Worlders aren't jealous of whites?

    What nitpicking.

    Replies: @Adam Birchdale

    The paragraph and Wax’s statements are most probably true in every way.

    It’s very likely that there’s NEVER been a black student at the top of the graduating class (nor is it likely there ever will be, given blacks’ very low average IQs).

    The statement about “non-Western groups” does not say ALL non-Western individuals, it says “groups”, i.e., the average of all the individuals in any of the groups; it’s thus definitely true because all non-Western/non-White groups are racist (Whites are the only group/race who aren’t racist, which is to our great detriment, unfortunately), and non-Western groups’ most disliked race is usually White people.

    • Agree:DanFromCT
  • @anonymous
    Taylor won't name the jew, then he applauds a jewess speaking at the Amren Conference. Whose side is Taylor on? Whichever side it is, it's not White America's.

    Replies: @Priss Factor

    Jews who name the Jewish power are admirable and part of the team.

    Jews who join the Right to silence criticism of Jewish power and defend Zionism are not to be trusted.

    • Thanks:TrumpWon
    • Replies:@EL_Kabong
    @Priss Factor

    Distinction without any functional difference. Just look at what happened to IHR and John Birch Society. I'm sure there are others I've left out. It's always the same pattern and it's always Jews.

  • Taylor won’t name the jew, then he applauds a jewess speaking at the Amren Conference. Whose side is Taylor on? Whichever side it is, it’s not White America’s.

    • Replies:@Priss Factor
    @anonymous

    Jews who name the Jewish power are admirable and part of the team.

    Jews who join the Right to silence criticism of Jewish power and defend Zionism are not to be trusted.

    Replies: @EL_Kabong

  • Video Link

    Any relation to Ruby Wax?

    When Ruby met Donald…

  • HBD is praying for the conversion of the Jews(as rightful master race) to the white side.

  • Shouldn’t “not only harmed but also wronged” be the other way around?

    “She done me wrong” is something to write a country song about, not something that I have to go to the emergency room for.

    I haven’t read anything about Amy Wax sending anyone to the emergency room.

    The essence of woke is the false equivalency between hurt feelings (which can never be proven, and can easily be exaggerated or outright manufactured) and actual literal damage. Sticks and fricken stones.

  • Not another kike lecturing us on what’s wrong with the West.

    • Agree:EL_Kabong
    • Troll:RestiveUs
  • yes, this Jewess does have more courage than the tens of millions of bought-and-paid-for Whites who daily do dirty work for the Jews.

  • Wax’s statements have included claiming that Black students never graduate at the top of the Penn Carey Law class and that “non-Western groups” are resentful towards “Western people.”

    Are these leftards harping on the fact that the paragraph is technically untrue because a tiny number of black students graduate at the top of the class and some Third Worlders aren’t jealous of whites?

    What nitpicking.

    • Agree:TrumpWon
    • Replies:@Adam Birchdale
    @Oil Can Harry

    The paragraph and Wax's statements are most probably true in every way.

    It's very likely that there's NEVER been a black student at the top of the graduating class (nor is it likely there ever will be, given blacks' very low average IQs).

    The statement about "non-Western groups" does not say ALL non-Western individuals, it says "groups", i.e., the average of all the individuals in any of the groups; it's thus definitely true because all non-Western/non-White groups are racist (Whites are the only group/race who aren't racist, which is to our great detriment, unfortunately), and non-Western groups' most disliked race is usually White people.

  • @pyrrhus
    Blacks are the major crime problem...Proven every year by the FBI and big city statistics! Penn students are in cloud fairland...

    Replies: @DanFromCT

    What you say is statistically true, yet at the bottom of black crime you’ll find those most responsible for it today are the moral scum who teach at and attend places like Penn law school, whom even a child can see have little more purpose than justifying black crime against their white parents.

    Someone wrote a book about the deplorable education standards at Harvard Law School, likening students to morons with a fourth-grade education in English—literally. This wasn’t meant as a little hyperbolic humor, and that was decades ago.

    In this instance, just look at the infantile posters drawn by the lesbo-feminist law students at Penn in that photo above. That photo is probably representative of the student body, with seven unbathed dykes and two gay boys hanging out in the library lounge. I’m being generous when I say they are total morons totally incapable of upholding the law, for whom law serves no other purpose and incentive than emasculating their fathers and destroying America.

    • Agree:Sharonbaron
    • Replies:@Mike Conrad
    @DanFromCT

    Amy Wax is indeed courageous, insofar as she dares to quote facts and statistics. That's a big no-no in our society today.

    But why doesn't she inoculate herself against any and all criticism by pulling the J card? All she has to do is go claim that her detractors are anti-semitic and that's the end of the matter.

    Surely she knows this.

  • Blacks are the major crime problem…Proven every year by the FBI and big city statistics! Penn students are in cloud fairland…

    • Replies:@DanFromCT
    @pyrrhus

    What you say is statistically true, yet at the bottom of black crime you’ll find those most responsible for it today are the moral scum who teach at and attend places like Penn law school, whom even a child can see have little more purpose than justifying black crime against their white parents.

    Someone wrote a book about the deplorable education standards at Harvard Law School, likening students to morons with a fourth-grade education in English—literally. This wasn’t meant as a little hyperbolic humor, and that was decades ago.

    In this instance, just look at the infantile posters drawn by the lesbo-feminist law students at Penn in that photo above. That photo is probably representative of the student body, with seven unbathed dykes and two gay boys hanging out in the library lounge. I’m being generous when I say they are total morons totally incapable of upholding the law, for whom law serves no other purpose and incentive than emasculating their fathers and destroying America.

    Replies: @Mike Conrad

  • For nearly three weeks I've been suggesting with increasing forcefulness that the official figure of 1,400 Israeli deaths from the Hamas attack may have been considerably exaggerated. Here's what I'd said last Monday: As far as I know, I was almost alone among Internet writers offering these bold speculations and I naturally received some sharp...
  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    'Shlomo' McNally writes:


    That’s quite a mélange of names which you’ve spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn ....
     
    It's obvious, when factoring in your Talmudic perspective, why you would be taking every opportunity to smear the great truthteller and meticulous researcher Christopher Bollyn.
    After all, he is the highest profile individual on the planet to have exposed the irrefutable proof of ZOG's orchestration of the 9/11 False Flag.

    He has done tremendous damage to Malevolent International Jewry in the process, and thus it is evident why you and your small hat brethren have embarked on a campaign to demonise him.
    Save your breath Shlomo. The UR readers are too smart for that. They know that Bollyn speaks the truth and that ONLY ZOG affiliated rodents like yourself would describe this treasure of a man as a 'shyster'.

    You also write:


    The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers).
    A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this ....
     
    Still more deflection and obfuscation on your part.
    No one ever said that the Rothschilds were the 'singular' power in world banking.
    I (and several others in the pages of this webzine - notably Larry Romanoff in his well researched UR articles), have clearly stated that the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka ZOG) is a COLLECTIVE of Jewish dynastic families, each possessing obscene levels of financial wherewithal.

    Yes, the Rothschilds are the most infamous among these depraved misfits, but in addition to that we have dynastic banking entities like the Sassoons (the Rothschilds of the east), the Montefiores, the Schiffs, the Warburgs (to name just a few among scores of others).
    These families in aggregate constitute ZOG, and this collective of rabid Zionists control the entirety of the western financial system.

    So Shlomo McNally, save your energy. NO ONE who's interested in the truth is going to bother clicking on your link to see what Gerry Rough (an obvious opportunist and soldier of fortune that has prostrated himself to ZOG), has to say.
    Yes, your synagogue pals like Wizard of ZOG, Mean Joo Joo, Corvanus and a few others among your Ashkenazi pals may peruse it.
    But then again, you'd just be preaching to the Matzah ball choir, wouldn't you ?
    Those Jewish trolls are already on Team Zion so it's not as though your swaying anyone's opinion with your lies.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    Bollyn fabricated the claim that employees in the World Trade Towers were warned through Odigo. That kind of fakery totally discredits someone. Again, people should reread the actual reports instead of allowing their fake news to be recycled through someone like Bollyn:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20020607000423/https://amenusa.org/prior.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20030201161145/http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/8471_893851

    The reports verify that, just 2 hours before the planes struck in New York, 2 employees in Israel received a strange sounding which made no mention of the World Trade Center, but which looked spooky after they heard of the attacks in New York. These w Israeli employees then reported the incident to their management in Israel, which then reported this to the Israeli authorities, who subsequently informed the FBI. No one in New York ever received a single message about this through Odigo.

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    That's quite a mélange of names which you've spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn, some are just decent journalists like John Pilger. But if you're going to take an interest in a topic around which people have stewed up a controversy, then one has to be ready to investigate the details. Like in this piece by Gerry Rough, he goes through some of the false citations which Griffin typically makes:

    https://web.archive.org/web/19970417194057/http://www.skyenet.net/~gerryr/fbus.htm

    -----
    G. Edward Griffin cites the more often quoted longer version:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were the power in the old Bank of the United States." [20]

    Griffin now continues, enunciating what every other conspiracy writer who cites the above says of the Rothschilds:

    "The Rothschilds, therefore, were not merely investors nor just an important power. They were the power behind the Bank of the United States!" [21]

    In so citing this, Griffin and Still have continued to propagate a bald-faced fraud in order to prove their absurd New World Order conspiracy theory. Here is the real truth. The citation is from Gustavus Myers’ History of the Great American Fortunes. The actual quote is as follows:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States." [22]

    Did you catch the difference? The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers). A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this, for one simple reason; it helps to prove their case that the Rothschild family is part of the conspiracy. Without it, of course, the theory’s credibility is seriously damaged. Dare you think that, so far, this ridiculous affair damages the credibility of Griffin and Still, there is still the matter of context. Let’s cite Gustavus Myers again, adding the next sentence for context:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States. August Belmont and Company were their American representatives." [23]

    With the introduction of August Belmont, there is now another dimension to the quote. We now have time and place. According to Eustace Mullins, yet another conspiracy writer, August Belmont did not arrive in the United States until 1837. [24] Myers, then, is not talking about the first Bank of the United States, since its charter ran out in 1811. Myers is talking about the second Bank of the United States, chartered in 1816 and declared bankrupt after it suspended payments in 1839. In other words, Griffin and Still not only falsely cite Gustavus Myers, they assign the Rothschild quote to the wrong bank!! Ignorance is indeed bliss.
    -----

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    ‘Shlomo’ McNally writes:

    That’s quite a mélange of names which you’ve spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn ….

    It’s obvious, when factoring in your Talmudic perspective, why you would be taking every opportunity to smear the great truthteller and meticulous researcher Christopher Bollyn.
    After all, he is the highest profile individual on the planet to have exposed the irrefutable proof of ZOG’s orchestration of the 9/11 False Flag.

    He has done tremendous damage to Malevolent International Jewry in the process, and thus it is evident why you and your small hat brethren have embarked on a campaign to demonise him.
    Save your breath Shlomo. The UR readers are too smart for that. They know that Bollyn speaks the truth and that ONLY ZOG affiliated rodents like yourself would describe this treasure of a man as a ‘shyster’.

    You also write:

    The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers).
    A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this ….

    Still more deflection and obfuscation on your part.
    No one ever said that the Rothschilds were the ‘singular’ power in world banking.
    I (and several others in the pages of this webzine – notably Larry Romanoff in his well researched UR articles), have clearly stated that the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka ZOG) is a COLLECTIVE of Jewish dynastic families, each possessing obscene levels of financial wherewithal.

    Yes, the Rothschilds are the most infamous among these depraved misfits, but in addition to that we have dynastic banking entities like the Sassoons (the Rothschilds of the east), the Montefiores, the Schiffs, the Warburgs (to name just a few among scores of others).
    These families in aggregate constitute ZOG, and this collective of rabid Zionists control the entirety of the western financial system.

    So Shlomo McNally, save your energy. NO ONE who’s interested in the truth is going to bother clicking on your link to see what Gerry Rough (an obvious opportunist and soldier of fortune that has prostrated himself to ZOG), has to say.
    Yes, your synagogue pals like Wizard of ZOG, Mean Joo Joo, Corvanus and a few others among your Ashkenazi pals may peruse it.
    But then again, you’d just be preaching to the Matzah ball choir, wouldn’t you ?
    Those Jewish trolls are already on Team Zion so it’s not as though your swaying anyone’s opinion with your lies.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    Bollyn fabricated the claim that employees in the World Trade Towers were warned through Odigo. That kind of fakery totally discredits someone. Again, people should reread the actual reports instead of allowing their fake news to be recycled through someone like Bollyn:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20020607000423/https://amenusa.org/prior.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20030201161145/http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/8471_893851

    The reports verify that, just 2 hours before the planes struck in New York, 2 employees in Israel received a strange sounding which made no mention of the World Trade Center, but which looked spooky after they heard of the attacks in New York. These w Israeli employees then reported the incident to their management in Israel, which then reported this to the Israeli authorities, who subsequently informed the FBI. No one in New York ever received a single message about this through Odigo.

  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally


    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough’s writing is in this piece
     
    It's never a 'good place' if it's saturated with ZOG CONJURED FALSEHOODS.
    As I said before, this 'Gerry Rough' fellow has never been heard of by anyone with even a smidgen of credibility and integrity.

    I ask you, who among the KNOWN truthtellers in the world (ie: the likes of Dr Ron Paul, Senator Rand Paul, Congressman Thomas Massie, Dr Kevin Barrett, G Edward Griffin, Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, George Galloway, Brother Nathanael Kapner, Tom Woods Phd, John Pilger, Christopher Bollyn, Lew Rockwell, Dr Joseph Mercola, James Perloff, Gilad Atzmon, Gideon Levy, David Irving, Col. Douglas Macgregor and countless others), has a single good word to say about this 'Rough' non-entity ?

    ANSWER: Not one among the fearless truthtellers has a positive word to say about him (or any of the other ZOG funded authors you've made mention of over the years).
     
    Mr Shlomo 'McNally', we're all aware that you have a job to do here, that you've been instructed by your Shin Bet handlers to propagate all manner of misdirections and distortions, so as to mislead the gullible on matters pertaining to ZOG malfeasance.
    But the the UR readers are too smart to fall for your amateurish attempts at obfuscation.
    No one in the UR commentariat believes a single syllable that you post.

    Save your breath and use your devious talents elsewhere. Perhaps you could try influencing gullible children online by setting up a fake account in social media ?

    I seek the TRUTH. If I want to amuse myself with fiction, I'll be sure to venture in the direction of those liars you advocate for.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    That’s quite a mélange of names which you’ve spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn, some are just decent journalists like John Pilger. But if you’re going to take an interest in a topic around which people have stewed up a controversy, then one has to be ready to investigate the details. Like in this piece by Gerry Rough, he goes through some of the false citations which Griffin typically makes:

    https://web.archive.org/web/19970417194057/http://www.skyenet.net/~gerryr/fbus.htm

    —–
    G. Edward Griffin cites the more often quoted longer version:

    “Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were the power in the old Bank of the United States.” [20]

    Griffin now continues, enunciating what every other conspiracy writer who cites the above says of the Rothschilds:

    “The Rothschilds, therefore, were not merely investors nor just an important power. They were the power behind the Bank of the United States!” [21]

    In so citing this, Griffin and Still have continued to propagate a bald-faced fraud in order to prove their absurd New World Order conspiracy theory. Here is the real truth. The citation is from Gustavus Myers’ History of the Great American Fortunes. The actual quote is as follows:

    “Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States.” [22]

    Did you catch the difference? The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers). A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this, for one simple reason; it helps to prove their case that the Rothschild family is part of the conspiracy. Without it, of course, the theory’s credibility is seriously damaged. Dare you think that, so far, this ridiculous affair damages the credibility of Griffin and Still, there is still the matter of context. Let’s cite Gustavus Myers again, adding the next sentence for context:

    “Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States. August Belmont and Company were their American representatives.” [23]

    With the introduction of August Belmont, there is now another dimension to the quote. We now have time and place. According to Eustace Mullins, yet another conspiracy writer, August Belmont did not arrive in the United States until 1837. [24] Myers, then, is not talking about the first Bank of the United States, since its charter ran out in 1811. Myers is talking about the second Bank of the United States, chartered in 1816 and declared bankrupt after it suspended payments in 1839. In other words, Griffin and Still not only falsely cite Gustavus Myers, they assign the Rothschild quote to the wrong bank!! Ignorance is indeed bliss.
    —–

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    'Shlomo' McNally writes:


    That’s quite a mélange of names which you’ve spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn ....
     
    It's obvious, when factoring in your Talmudic perspective, why you would be taking every opportunity to smear the great truthteller and meticulous researcher Christopher Bollyn.
    After all, he is the highest profile individual on the planet to have exposed the irrefutable proof of ZOG's orchestration of the 9/11 False Flag.

    He has done tremendous damage to Malevolent International Jewry in the process, and thus it is evident why you and your small hat brethren have embarked on a campaign to demonise him.
    Save your breath Shlomo. The UR readers are too smart for that. They know that Bollyn speaks the truth and that ONLY ZOG affiliated rodents like yourself would describe this treasure of a man as a 'shyster'.

    You also write:


    The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers).
    A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this ....
     
    Still more deflection and obfuscation on your part.
    No one ever said that the Rothschilds were the 'singular' power in world banking.
    I (and several others in the pages of this webzine - notably Larry Romanoff in his well researched UR articles), have clearly stated that the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka ZOG) is a COLLECTIVE of Jewish dynastic families, each possessing obscene levels of financial wherewithal.

    Yes, the Rothschilds are the most infamous among these depraved misfits, but in addition to that we have dynastic banking entities like the Sassoons (the Rothschilds of the east), the Montefiores, the Schiffs, the Warburgs (to name just a few among scores of others).
    These families in aggregate constitute ZOG, and this collective of rabid Zionists control the entirety of the western financial system.

    So Shlomo McNally, save your energy. NO ONE who's interested in the truth is going to bother clicking on your link to see what Gerry Rough (an obvious opportunist and soldier of fortune that has prostrated himself to ZOG), has to say.
    Yes, your synagogue pals like Wizard of ZOG, Mean Joo Joo, Corvanus and a few others among your Ashkenazi pals may peruse it.
    But then again, you'd just be preaching to the Matzah ball choir, wouldn't you ?
    Those Jewish trolls are already on Team Zion so it's not as though your swaying anyone's opinion with your lies.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough's writing is in this piece:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120131220159/http://www.shoah.plus.com/801/nwo/bank.html

    -----
    A Bank of England Conspiracy?

    ©1997 by Gerry Rough

    The Bank of England holds a special place in the hearts of New World Order conspiracy theorists. It is here that the central banking mechanism begins to appear in the pages of history, although in the late seventeenth century it was still not a central bank in the modern sense. Considered by many to be the virtual hub of the New World Order, the Bank has somehow managed to remain a mystery to be solved; no small temptation indeed for the faithful. With this new mechanism in place, the New World Order can now begin its final assault to enslave the planet. The central banking mechanism, you see, represents the power of the rich to control the masses. It represents one of the last steps to be put in place before the New World Order finally reveals itself as the dark beast that it is. Let's take a look at the history of the Bank of England and see if indeed there is a conspiracy that emerges.
    -----

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough’s writing is in this piece

    It’s never a ‘good place’ if it’s saturated with ZOG CONJURED FALSEHOODS.
    As I said before, this ‘Gerry Rough’ fellow has never been heard of by anyone with even a smidgen of credibility and integrity.

    I ask you, who among the KNOWN truthtellers in the world (ie: the likes of Dr Ron Paul, Senator Rand Paul, Congressman Thomas Massie, Dr Kevin Barrett, G Edward Griffin, Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, George Galloway, Brother Nathanael Kapner, Tom Woods Phd, John Pilger, Christopher Bollyn, Lew Rockwell, Dr Joseph Mercola, James Perloff, Gilad Atzmon, Gideon Levy, David Irving, Col. Douglas Macgregor and countless others), has a single good word to say about this ‘Rough’ non-entity ?

    ANSWER: Not one among the fearless truthtellers has a positive word to say about him (or any of the other ZOG funded authors you’ve made mention of over the years).

    Mr Shlomo ‘McNally’, we’re all aware that you have a job to do here, that you’ve been instructed by your Shin Bet handlers to propagate all manner of misdirections and distortions, so as to mislead the gullible on matters pertaining to ZOG malfeasance.
    But the the UR readers are too smart to fall for your amateurish attempts at obfuscation.
    No one in the UR commentariat believes a single syllable that you post.

    Save your breath and use your devious talents elsewhere. Perhaps you could try influencing gullible children online by setting up a fake account in social media ?

    I seek the TRUTH. If I want to amuse myself with fiction, I’ll be sure to venture in the direction of those liars you advocate for.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    That's quite a mélange of names which you've spewed out there. Some are blatant shysters like Chris Bollyn, some are just decent journalists like John Pilger. But if you're going to take an interest in a topic around which people have stewed up a controversy, then one has to be ready to investigate the details. Like in this piece by Gerry Rough, he goes through some of the false citations which Griffin typically makes:

    https://web.archive.org/web/19970417194057/http://www.skyenet.net/~gerryr/fbus.htm

    -----
    G. Edward Griffin cites the more often quoted longer version:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were the power in the old Bank of the United States." [20]

    Griffin now continues, enunciating what every other conspiracy writer who cites the above says of the Rothschilds:

    "The Rothschilds, therefore, were not merely investors nor just an important power. They were the power behind the Bank of the United States!" [21]

    In so citing this, Griffin and Still have continued to propagate a bald-faced fraud in order to prove their absurd New World Order conspiracy theory. Here is the real truth. The citation is from Gustavus Myers’ History of the Great American Fortunes. The actual quote is as follows:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States." [22]

    Did you catch the difference? The Rothschilds were not the power (singular), they were powers (plural-one of many powers). A blatant fraud propagated by every conspiracy writer who cites this, for one simple reason; it helps to prove their case that the Rothschild family is part of the conspiracy. Without it, of course, the theory’s credibility is seriously damaged. Dare you think that, so far, this ridiculous affair damages the credibility of Griffin and Still, there is still the matter of context. Let’s cite Gustavus Myers again, adding the next sentence for context:

    "Under the surface, the Rothschilds long had a powerful influence in dictating American financial laws. The law records show that they were powers in the old Bank of the United States. August Belmont and Company were their American representatives." [23]

    With the introduction of August Belmont, there is now another dimension to the quote. We now have time and place. According to Eustace Mullins, yet another conspiracy writer, August Belmont did not arrive in the United States until 1837. [24] Myers, then, is not talking about the first Bank of the United States, since its charter ran out in 1811. Myers is talking about the second Bank of the United States, chartered in 1816 and declared bankrupt after it suspended payments in 1839. In other words, Griffin and Still not only falsely cite Gustavus Myers, they assign the Rothschild quote to the wrong bank!! Ignorance is indeed bliss.
    -----

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/

    Cherry Tree Myth

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    sat·ire
    /ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
    noun
    the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize [Pretzel McNally’s – (is he on the spectrum?)] stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
    “I suppose you think George Washington left that dreary Cherry Tree standing?”

    Please answer the following:

    Did Washington have wooden teeth?
    Did Jefferson bang Sally?
    Was the assassin of Lincoln a Jew who was pissed over the printing of greenbacks, and/or pissed at the idea of sending the Africans back to Africa, and thereby eliminating a source of further conflict in America?
    Does Goblin Mayorakas really think the border is closed?

  • @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Patrick McNally

    Well, Pretzel, you seem hellbent on bursting the American/European Heroes Bubble by refuting every known/claimed statement ever made by any such notable of note.

    I suppose you think George Washington left that dreary Cherry Tree standing?


    Some Finance Guru site:

    The War of 1812 would soon demonstrate the clear need for a government bank to help fund growing government expenses not covered by the nation's limited tariff revenue.
    The end.

    It’s funny how central banks are always lurking around wars….what would WW1 have been without the Federal Reserve, brought by Weihnachtsmann, like a thief in the nacht?

    That same Guru:

    Jackson came into presidency in 1829 determined to eliminate the national debt, the management of which was one of the purposes of the national bank.”Jackson had two purposes in ridding the country of debt," wrote John Steele Gordon. "The first, of course, was that he thought debt was bad in and of itself. He called it a `national curse' in his first run for the presidency in 1824. But he thought that the institutions and the people who benefited from it were a national curse as well.`My vow,' he pledged, `shall be to pay the national debt, to prevent a monied aristocracy from growing up around our administration that must bend to its views, and ultimately destroy the liberty of our country." 27 *

    *John Steele Gordon, An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power, p. 125-126.


    If Jacksonprobably didn’t say it, he said something similar. Thanks for your input/agitation/parade-raining, Pretzel. Happy Kwanza to you!

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    • Replies:@Tiptoethrutulips
    @Patrick McNally

    sat·ire
    /ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
    noun
    the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize [Pretzel McNally’s - (is he on the spectrum?)] stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
    "I suppose you think George Washington left that dreary Cherry Tree standing?”

    Please answer the following:

    Did Washington have wooden teeth?
    Did Jefferson bang Sally?
    Was the assassin of Lincoln a Jew who was pissed over the printing of greenbacks, and/or pissed at the idea of sending the Africans back to Africa, and thereby eliminating a source of further conflict in America?
    Does Goblin Mayorakas really think the border is closed?

  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick 'Shlomo' McNally makes clear that there is no limit to his mendacity when he writes:


    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however.
    Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin’s book and others of its genre.
     
    My 'Rough' estimate is that this Rough fellow is a paid disinformer of Malevolent International Jewry (pretty much like you Shlomo McNally).

    NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THIS 'Rough' individual.
    And there's good reason for that - because he's a Know-Nothing-Nobody that ZOG conjured out of the ether to discredit G Edward Griffin.

    SUMMARY: G Edward Griffin is a man of unimpeachable integrity. When he says something, you can take it to the bank.

    Contrast that with what you write Shlomo McNally, in your capacity as a sayan. When you post something in UR, one can take it to the bank that it's a falsehood.

     

    I don't know why you bother posting any comments here. ALL the UR readers know you're a compulsive liar. You know no other way. It's part of your DNA - reinforced by your Talmudic indoctrination.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough’s writing is in this piece:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120131220159/http://www.shoah.plus.com/801/nwo/bank.html

    —–
    A Bank of England Conspiracy?

    ©1997 by Gerry Rough

    The Bank of England holds a special place in the hearts of New World Order conspiracy theorists. It is here that the central banking mechanism begins to appear in the pages of history, although in the late seventeenth century it was still not a central bank in the modern sense. Considered by many to be the virtual hub of the New World Order, the Bank has somehow managed to remain a mystery to be solved; no small temptation indeed for the faithful. With this new mechanism in place, the New World Order can now begin its final assault to enslave the planet. The central banking mechanism, you see, represents the power of the rich to control the masses. It represents one of the last steps to be put in place before the New World Order finally reveals itself as the dark beast that it is. Let’s take a look at the history of the Bank of England and see if indeed there is a conspiracy that emerges.
    —–

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally


    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough’s writing is in this piece
     
    It's never a 'good place' if it's saturated with ZOG CONJURED FALSEHOODS.
    As I said before, this 'Gerry Rough' fellow has never been heard of by anyone with even a smidgen of credibility and integrity.

    I ask you, who among the KNOWN truthtellers in the world (ie: the likes of Dr Ron Paul, Senator Rand Paul, Congressman Thomas Massie, Dr Kevin Barrett, G Edward Griffin, Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, George Galloway, Brother Nathanael Kapner, Tom Woods Phd, John Pilger, Christopher Bollyn, Lew Rockwell, Dr Joseph Mercola, James Perloff, Gilad Atzmon, Gideon Levy, David Irving, Col. Douglas Macgregor and countless others), has a single good word to say about this 'Rough' non-entity ?

    ANSWER: Not one among the fearless truthtellers has a positive word to say about him (or any of the other ZOG funded authors you've made mention of over the years).
     
    Mr Shlomo 'McNally', we're all aware that you have a job to do here, that you've been instructed by your Shin Bet handlers to propagate all manner of misdirections and distortions, so as to mislead the gullible on matters pertaining to ZOG malfeasance.
    But the the UR readers are too smart to fall for your amateurish attempts at obfuscation.
    No one in the UR commentariat believes a single syllable that you post.

    Save your breath and use your devious talents elsewhere. Perhaps you could try influencing gullible children online by setting up a fake account in social media ?

    I seek the TRUTH. If I want to amuse myself with fiction, I'll be sure to venture in the direction of those liars you advocate for.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-andrew-jackson-probably-never-said-that-den-of-theives-quote-2010-1

    Sorry, Andrew Jackson Probably Never Said That "Den Of Thieves" Quote
    John Carney Jan 27, 2010, 11:42 AM EST

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    Well, Pretzel, you seem hellbent on bursting the American/European Heroes Bubble by refuting every known/claimed statement ever made by any such notable of note.

    I suppose you think George Washington left that dreary Cherry Tree standing?

    Some Finance Guru site:

    The War of 1812 would soon demonstrate the clear need for a government bank to help fund growing government expenses not covered by the nation’s limited tariff revenue.
    The end.

    It’s funny how central banks are always lurking around wars….what would WW1 have been without the Federal Reserve, brought by Weihnachtsmann, like a thief in the nacht?

    That same Guru:

    Jackson came into presidency in 1829 determined to eliminate the national debt, the management of which was one of the purposes of the national bank.”Jackson had two purposes in ridding the country of debt,” wrote John Steele Gordon. “The first, of course, was that he thought debt was bad in and of itself. He called it a `national curse’ in his first run for the presidency in 1824. But he thought that the institutions and the people who benefited from it were a national curse as well.`My vow,’ he pledged, `shall be to pay the national debt, to prevent a monied aristocracy from growing up around our administration that must bend to its views, and ultimately destroy the liberty of our country.” 27 *

    *John Steele Gordon, An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power, p. 125-126.

    If Jacksonprobably didn’t say it, he said something similar. Thanks for your input/agitation/parade-raining, Pretzel. Happy Kwanza to you!

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/

    Cherry Tree Myth

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    Flaherty goes through a lot of those same things about events before World War I:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty1.html

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.

    On the Georgian resort hideaway of Jekyll Island (which has some excellent golf courses, by the way), there once met a coalition of Wall Street bankers and U.S. senators. This secret 1910 meeting had a sinister purpose, the conspiracy theorists say. The bankers wanted to establish a new central bank under the direct control of New York's financial elite. Such a plan would give the Wall Street bankers near total control of the financial system and allow them to manipulate it for their personal gain.

    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however. Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin's book and others of its genre. Instead of reproducing Rough's work here, I offer the reader a substantially more accurate view of the events leading up to the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. To get a proper historical perspective, the story of begins just prior to the Civil War...

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Patrick ‘Shlomo’ McNally makes clear that there is no limit to his mendacity when he writes:

    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however.
    Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin’s book and others of its genre.

    My ‘Rough’ estimate is that this Rough fellow is a paid disinformer of Malevolent International Jewry (pretty much like you Shlomo McNally).

    NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THIS ‘Rough’ individual.
    And there’s good reason for that – because he’s a Know-Nothing-Nobody that ZOG conjured out of the ether to discredit G Edward Griffin.

    SUMMARY: G Edward Griffin is a man of unimpeachable integrity. When he says something, you can take it to the bank.

    Contrast that with what you write Shlomo McNally, in your capacity as a sayan. When you post something in UR, one can take it to the bank that it’s a falsehood.

    I don’t know why you bother posting any comments here. ALL the UR readers know you’re a compulsive liar. You know no other way. It’s part of your DNA – reinforced by your Talmudic indoctrination.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    A good place to start gaining some familiarity with Gerry Rough's writing is in this piece:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120131220159/http://www.shoah.plus.com/801/nwo/bank.html

    -----
    A Bank of England Conspiracy?

    ©1997 by Gerry Rough

    The Bank of England holds a special place in the hearts of New World Order conspiracy theorists. It is here that the central banking mechanism begins to appear in the pages of history, although in the late seventeenth century it was still not a central bank in the modern sense. Considered by many to be the virtual hub of the New World Order, the Bank has somehow managed to remain a mystery to be solved; no small temptation indeed for the faithful. With this new mechanism in place, the New World Order can now begin its final assault to enslave the planet. The central banking mechanism, you see, represents the power of the rich to control the masses. It represents one of the last steps to be put in place before the New World Order finally reveals itself as the dark beast that it is. Let's take a look at the history of the Bank of England and see if indeed there is a conspiracy that emerges.
    -----

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick 'Shlomo' McNally writes:


    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.
     
    As usual, more BALD FACED LIES from McNally (real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).
    There has been NO AUDIT of the Fed that is available for public scrutiny. Refer to the article below where, on numerous occasions during his many decades in Congress, Dr Ron Paul has tabled a motion for the Federal Reserve to be audited (each time it was not passed):

    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-audit-the-fed/

    Senator Rand Paul has also been campaigning for the Fed to be audited. To the credit of father and son, each of them did manage to get the bill to audit the Fed passed in the House on a couple of occasions.


    HOWEVER, the bill was not passed in the ZOG controlled Senate, so the Fed remains unaudited to this day.
     
    UR readers can check out the following 9 min video titled 'Ron Paul on Auditing the Federal Reserve', and confirm for themselves what we already knew (that 'Shlomo' McNally is a compulsive liar):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vio2CaMW3og

    As for the other untruthful assertions you've made in comment # 603 and the one before that, there are so many falsehoods you've packed into your comments that it would take too much of my valuable time to address them all.
    The UR readers can easily refute them using a little common sense.

    Replies: @Avery, @Patrick McNally

    The specific restrictions which are placed on the Government Accountability Office’s authority are laid out here in this report from 1993:

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/t-ggd-94-44.pdf

    A more recent report from the GAO is given here:

    https://www.occ.gov/publications-and-resources/publications/annual-report/files/2022-annual-report.html

    Even if one was going to quibble about demanding that the GAO have all restrictions on its authority removed, the actual functioning of the system is very different from what Mullins or Griffin mislead people into imagining.

  • @Been_there_done_that
    @Patrick McNally


    By: Edward Flaherty
     
    You're referring to something published in 2004. This does not discredit what Mullins wrote much earlier, in reference to the Federal Reserve prior to the first World War, shortly after its inception.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    Flaherty goes through a lot of those same things about events before World War I:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty1.html

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.

    On the Georgian resort hideaway of Jekyll Island (which has some excellent golf courses, by the way), there once met a coalition of Wall Street bankers and U.S. senators. This secret 1910 meeting had a sinister purpose, the conspiracy theorists say. The bankers wanted to establish a new central bank under the direct control of New York’s financial elite. Such a plan would give the Wall Street bankers near total control of the financial system and allow them to manipulate it for their personal gain.

    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however. Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin’s book and others of its genre. Instead of reproducing Rough’s work here, I offer the reader a substantially more accurate view of the events leading up to the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. To get a proper historical perspective, the story of begins just prior to the Civil War…

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick 'Shlomo' McNally makes clear that there is no limit to his mendacity when he writes:


    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however.
    Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin’s book and others of its genre.
     
    My 'Rough' estimate is that this Rough fellow is a paid disinformer of Malevolent International Jewry (pretty much like you Shlomo McNally).

    NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THIS 'Rough' individual.
    And there's good reason for that - because he's a Know-Nothing-Nobody that ZOG conjured out of the ether to discredit G Edward Griffin.

    SUMMARY: G Edward Griffin is a man of unimpeachable integrity. When he says something, you can take it to the bank.

    Contrast that with what you write Shlomo McNally, in your capacity as a sayan. When you post something in UR, one can take it to the bank that it's a falsehood.

     

    I don't know why you bother posting any comments here. ALL the UR readers know you're a compulsive liar. You know no other way. It's part of your DNA - reinforced by your Talmudic indoctrination.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Patrick McNally

    Pretzel! Where did you find all those facts? On the Federal Reserve website?

    Here’s a few more:

    The U.S. Approach to Central Banking
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act purposely rejected the concept of a single central bank. Instead, they provided for a central banking "system" with three salient features: (1) a central governing Board, (2) a decentralized operating structure of 12 Reserve Banks, and (3) a combination of public and private characteristics…the Federal Reserve was established to serve the public interest. [Yes, we snuck it in on December 23rd, wheneveryone was present in Congress]
    There are three key entities in the Federal Reserve System… The Board of Governors, an agency of the federal government that reports to and is directly accountable to Congress, provides general guidance for the System and oversees the 12 Reserve Banks.
    Within the System, certain responsibilities are shared between the Board of Governors in Washington, D.C…. While the Federal Reserve has frequent communication with executive branch and congressional officials, its decisions are made independently.
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act developed a central banking system that would broadly represent the public interest.

    Best President, Ever:
    Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!You are a den of vipers and thieves.I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
    ― Andrew Jackson

    He will rout them out? Does that sound familiar, Pretzel? Care to put your spin on -rout you out! Kill them all? All 6m of them?

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-andrew-jackson-probably-never-said-that-den-of-theives-quote-2010-1

    Sorry, Andrew Jackson Probably Never Said That “Den Of Thieves” Quote
    John Carney Jan 27, 2010, 11:42 AM EST

    • Replies:@Tiptoethrutulips
    @Patrick McNally

    Well, Pretzel, you seem hellbent on bursting the American/European Heroes Bubble by refuting every known/claimed statement ever made by any such notable of note.

    I suppose you think George Washington left that dreary Cherry Tree standing?


    Some Finance Guru site:

    The War of 1812 would soon demonstrate the clear need for a government bank to help fund growing government expenses not covered by the nation's limited tariff revenue.
    The end.

    It’s funny how central banks are always lurking around wars….what would WW1 have been without the Federal Reserve, brought by Weihnachtsmann, like a thief in the nacht?

    That same Guru:

    Jackson came into presidency in 1829 determined to eliminate the national debt, the management of which was one of the purposes of the national bank.”Jackson had two purposes in ridding the country of debt," wrote John Steele Gordon. "The first, of course, was that he thought debt was bad in and of itself. He called it a `national curse' in his first run for the presidency in 1824. But he thought that the institutions and the people who benefited from it were a national curse as well.`My vow,' he pledged, `shall be to pay the national debt, to prevent a monied aristocracy from growing up around our administration that must bend to its views, and ultimately destroy the liberty of our country." 27 *

    *John Steele Gordon, An Empire of Wealth: The Epic History of American Economic Power, p. 125-126.


    If Jacksonprobably didn’t say it, he said something similar. Thanks for your input/agitation/parade-raining, Pretzel. Happy Kwanza to you!

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick 'Shlomo' McNally writes:


    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.
     
    As usual, more BALD FACED LIES from McNally (real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).
    There has been NO AUDIT of the Fed that is available for public scrutiny. Refer to the article below where, on numerous occasions during his many decades in Congress, Dr Ron Paul has tabled a motion for the Federal Reserve to be audited (each time it was not passed):

    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-audit-the-fed/

    Senator Rand Paul has also been campaigning for the Fed to be audited. To the credit of father and son, each of them did manage to get the bill to audit the Fed passed in the House on a couple of occasions.


    HOWEVER, the bill was not passed in the ZOG controlled Senate, so the Fed remains unaudited to this day.
     
    UR readers can check out the following 9 min video titled 'Ron Paul on Auditing the Federal Reserve', and confirm for themselves what we already knew (that 'Shlomo' McNally is a compulsive liar):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vio2CaMW3og

    As for the other untruthful assertions you've made in comment # 603 and the one before that, there are so many falsehoods you've packed into your comments that it would take too much of my valuable time to address them all.
    The UR readers can easily refute them using a little common sense.

    Replies: @Avery, @Patrick McNally

    {(real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).}

    LOL !

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    > providing sourced material

    Mullins doesn't really do that. Edward Flaherty wrote up a useful review of the more popular claims on this:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/Federal_Reserve.html

    -----
    By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

    Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank's district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn't he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

    Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

    Fact: The term 'lawful money' does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

    BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
    Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
    Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
    Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
    Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
    Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
    Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
    Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
    Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
    Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden
    -----

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Truth Vigilante, @Tiptoethrutulips

    Pretzel! Where did you find all those facts? On the Federal Reserve website?

    Here’s a few more:

    The U.S. Approach to Central Banking
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act purposely rejected the concept of a single central bank. Instead, they provided for a central banking “system” with three salient features: (1) a central governing Board, (2) a decentralized operating structure of 12 Reserve Banks, and (3) a combination of public and private characteristics…the Federal Reserve was established to serve the public interest. [Yes, we snuck it in on December 23rd, wheneveryone was present in Congress]
    There are three key entities in the Federal Reserve System… The Board of Governors, an agency of the federal government that reports to and is directly accountable to Congress, provides general guidance for the System and oversees the 12 Reserve Banks.
    Within the System, certain responsibilities are shared between the Board of Governors in Washington, D.C…. While the Federal Reserve has frequent communication with executive branch and congressional officials, its decisions are made independently.
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act developed a central banking system that would broadly represent the public interest.

    Best President, Ever:
    Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!You are a den of vipers and thieves.I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
    ― Andrew Jackson

    He will rout them out? Does that sound familiar, Pretzel? Care to put your spin on –rout you out! Kill them all? All 6m of them?

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-andrew-jackson-probably-never-said-that-den-of-theives-quote-2010-1

    Sorry, Andrew Jackson Probably Never Said That "Den Of Thieves" Quote
    John Carney Jan 27, 2010, 11:42 AM EST

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    > providing sourced material

    Mullins doesn't really do that. Edward Flaherty wrote up a useful review of the more popular claims on this:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/Federal_Reserve.html

    -----
    By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

    Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank's district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn't he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

    Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

    Fact: The term 'lawful money' does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

    BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
    Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
    Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
    Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
    Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
    Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
    Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
    Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
    Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
    Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden
    -----

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Truth Vigilante, @Tiptoethrutulips

    Patrick ‘Shlomo’ McNally writes:

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    As usual, more BALD FACED LIES from McNally (real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).
    There has been NO AUDIT of the Fed that is available for public scrutiny. Refer to the article below where, on numerous occasions during his many decades in Congress, Dr Ron Paul has tabled a motion for the Federal Reserve to be audited (each time it was not passed):

    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-audit-the-fed/

    Senator Rand Paul has also been campaigning for the Fed to be audited. To the credit of father and son, each of them did manage to get the bill to audit the Fed passed in the House on a couple of occasions.

    HOWEVER, the bill was not passed in the ZOG controlled Senate, so the Fed remains unaudited to this day.

    UR readers can check out the following 9 min video titled ‘Ron Paul on Auditing the Federal Reserve’, and confirm for themselves what we already knew (that ‘Shlomo’ McNally is a compulsive liar):

    Video Link
    As for the other untruthful assertions you’ve made in comment # 603 and the one before that, there are so many falsehoods you’ve packed into your comments that it would take too much of my valuable time to address them all.
    The UR readers can easily refute them using a little common sense.

    • Replies:@Avery
    @Truth Vigilante

    {(real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).}

    LOL !

    ,@Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    The specific restrictions which are placed on the Government Accountability Office's authority are laid out here in this report from 1993:

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/t-ggd-94-44.pdf

    A more recent report from the GAO is given here:

    https://www.occ.gov/publications-and-resources/publications/annual-report/files/2022-annual-report.html

    Even if one was going to quibble about demanding that the GAO have all restrictions on its authority removed, the actual functioning of the system is very different from what Mullins or Griffin mislead people into imagining.

  • @Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    > providing sourced material

    Mullins doesn't really do that. Edward Flaherty wrote up a useful review of the more popular claims on this:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/Federal_Reserve.html

    -----
    By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

    Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank's district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn't he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

    Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

    Fact: The term 'lawful money' does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

    BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
    Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
    Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
    Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
    Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
    Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
    Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
    Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
    Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
    Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden
    -----

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Truth Vigilante, @Tiptoethrutulips

    By: Edward Flaherty

    You’re referring to something published in 2004. This does not discredit what Mullins wrote much earlier, in reference to the Federal Reserve prior to the first World War, shortly after its inception.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    Flaherty goes through a lot of those same things about events before World War I:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty1.html

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.

    On the Georgian resort hideaway of Jekyll Island (which has some excellent golf courses, by the way), there once met a coalition of Wall Street bankers and U.S. senators. This secret 1910 meeting had a sinister purpose, the conspiracy theorists say. The bankers wanted to establish a new central bank under the direct control of New York's financial elite. Such a plan would give the Wall Street bankers near total control of the financial system and allow them to manipulate it for their personal gain.

    G. Edward Griffin lays out this conspiratorial version of history in his book The Creature from Jekyll Island. His amateurish take on history is highly suspect, however. Gerry Rough, in a series of well- researched essays on U.S. banking history, reveals many historical inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and even contradictions in Griffin's book and others of its genre. Instead of reproducing Rough's work here, I offer the reader a substantially more accurate view of the events leading up to the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. To get a proper historical perspective, the story of begins just prior to the Civil War...

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  • @Been_there_done_that
    @Ron Unz


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”
     
    This does not mean that one should therefore disregard what he had written about Rothschild entanglements with non-Jewish US industrialists and bankers in the specific chapter of a book I had cited. Expressing an opinion about ritual murder is not the same as providing sourced material on social and business dependencies in the early 20th century.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    > providing sourced material

    Mullins doesn’t really do that. Edward Flaherty wrote up a useful review of the more popular claims on this:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/Federal_Reserve.html

    —–
    By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

    [MORE]

    Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank’s district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn’t he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

    Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank’s ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank’s operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

    Fact: The term ‘lawful money’ does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

    BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
    Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
    Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
    Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
    Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
    Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
    Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
    Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
    Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve’s power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
    Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden
    —–

    • Replies:@Been_there_done_that
    @Patrick McNally


    By: Edward Flaherty
     
    You're referring to something published in 2004. This does not discredit what Mullins wrote much earlier, in reference to the Federal Reserve prior to the first World War, shortly after its inception.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    ,@Truth Vigilante
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick 'Shlomo' McNally writes:


    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.
     
    As usual, more BALD FACED LIES from McNally (real name Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein).
    There has been NO AUDIT of the Fed that is available for public scrutiny. Refer to the article below where, on numerous occasions during his many decades in Congress, Dr Ron Paul has tabled a motion for the Federal Reserve to be audited (each time it was not passed):

    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-audit-the-fed/

    Senator Rand Paul has also been campaigning for the Fed to be audited. To the credit of father and son, each of them did manage to get the bill to audit the Fed passed in the House on a couple of occasions.


    HOWEVER, the bill was not passed in the ZOG controlled Senate, so the Fed remains unaudited to this day.
     
    UR readers can check out the following 9 min video titled 'Ron Paul on Auditing the Federal Reserve', and confirm for themselves what we already knew (that 'Shlomo' McNally is a compulsive liar):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vio2CaMW3og

    As for the other untruthful assertions you've made in comment # 603 and the one before that, there are so many falsehoods you've packed into your comments that it would take too much of my valuable time to address them all.
    The UR readers can easily refute them using a little common sense.

    Replies: @Avery, @Patrick McNally

    ,@Tiptoethrutulips
    @Patrick McNally

    Pretzel! Where did you find all those facts? On the Federal Reserve website?

    Here’s a few more:

    The U.S. Approach to Central Banking
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act purposely rejected the concept of a single central bank. Instead, they provided for a central banking "system" with three salient features: (1) a central governing Board, (2) a decentralized operating structure of 12 Reserve Banks, and (3) a combination of public and private characteristics…the Federal Reserve was established to serve the public interest. [Yes, we snuck it in on December 23rd, wheneveryone was present in Congress]
    There are three key entities in the Federal Reserve System… The Board of Governors, an agency of the federal government that reports to and is directly accountable to Congress, provides general guidance for the System and oversees the 12 Reserve Banks.
    Within the System, certain responsibilities are shared between the Board of Governors in Washington, D.C…. While the Federal Reserve has frequent communication with executive branch and congressional officials, its decisions are made independently.
    The framers of the Federal Reserve Act developed a central banking system that would broadly represent the public interest.

    Best President, Ever:
    Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!You are a den of vipers and thieves.I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
    ― Andrew Jackson

    He will rout them out? Does that sound familiar, Pretzel? Care to put your spin on -rout you out! Kill them all? All 6m of them?

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Truth Vigilante
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    You wrote:


    J.P. Morgan’s personal affiliation with the House of Rothschild dated back to 1899, from which point he represented Rothschild interests in the United States
     
    In fact, John Pierpont Morgan's affiliation with the Rothschild dominated Bank of England go back much further than that.
    The following is from the Wikipedia entries for both J.P. Morgan and his father Junius Spencer Morgan:

    After studying at Göttingen and thus completing his education, J.P. Morgan went to London in August 1857 to join his father [Junius], now a partner in the merchant banking firm George Peabody & Co.
    For the next fourteen years, he worked as his father's American representative in a series of affiliate banking houses, learning the trade and lifestyle of a bank partner: Duncan, Sherman & Company (1858–60), his own firm J. Pierpont Morgan & Co. (1860–64), and finally Dabney Morgan (1864–72).

    The railway boom ended in 1857 and prices collapsed, leading to rumours in London that Peabody & Co. was on the verge of failure.
    Some of Peabody's largest clients suspended business or failed entirely, and Duncan Sherman was unable to pay its remittances without assistance. Some of Peabody's own creditors, including rival Barings Bank, demanded immediate payment on their debts.

    Peabody declined a conditional bailout from the major London houses which would have closed the firm, instead receiving an emergency line of credit of £800,000 from the Bank of England.
     
    So there it is. The Rothschild controlled Bank of England came to the rescue of J.P. Morgan's father. From that moment onwards, the Morgan's were indebted to their magnanimous Jewish patrons and would secure their interests in the U.S.

    We also have this incident of financial chicanery from J.P. Morgan early on during the Civil War (likely done on behalf of his Rothschild benefactor who sought to destabilise the Union and ensure a Confederate victory):

    Morgan also profited in gold after specie payments were suspended in 1862; its price was largely pegged to the possibility of a Union victory.
    In October 1863, he and Edward B. Ketchum transferred $1.15 million (equivalent to $20,287,000 in 2021) in gold to England, forcing a price spike and allowing both men to sell their holdings at a large profit.
    Critics have long considered the deal a speculative effort to corner the American gold market and evidence of Morgan's insensitivity to the nation's financial situation, although the economic consequences were ultimately minor.
     
    So clearly J.P. Morgan was not working in the best interests of his own nation. Instead, he was doing deals that benefitted his Rothschild patrons - and America be damned.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    > The Rothschild controlled Bank of England

    What is the evidence for this claim? Alfred de Rothschild was a director of the Bank of England from 1868 to 1889. He is said to have been the first Jewish director at the Bank of England, with no other Jews on the directorate for a half-century after he left in 1889. While it’s possible that some other connections might be found, what real basis is there for describing the Bank of England as “Rothschild-controlled”? There is, obviously, a Rothschild & Company bank in London. But that is not the Bank of England. Most claims which I’ve seen that draw a straight line from the Bank of England to the Rothschild family are usually very poorly sourced ideological assertions.

  • @Jana
    What do You think about this article from 2010?
    In order to survive Tel Aviv will be forced to destroy the European capitals
    with nuclear weapons?

    Israel aims its nuclear warheads at Europe
    VOLTAIRE NETWORK | 11 MARCH 2010
    The seventh Israeli radio broadcasted an interview with Professor Martin
    Van-Crevel, a noted world specialist in low-intensity wars. Former Professor
    of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Van-Crevel discussed publicly what he
    has been advocating for years in closed military academic circles in Israel
    and the United States.

    In his view, the continued struggle of the Palestinians will inexhorably
    lead to the collapse of the State of Israel. Which is why Tel-Aviv has no
    choice but to "transfer" the Israeli Arabs and the stateless Palestinians
    beyond safe borders (that is, not only outside the 1948 borders but also
    from the 1976 occupied territories and, ideally, from the West Bank and the
    Gaza Strip). In the event the Europeans opposed such a transfer, in order to
    survive Tel Aviv will be forced to destroy the European capitals with
    nuclear weapons, it being understood that the Europeans will be unable to
    retaliate without annihilating their Palestinian friends.

    "The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this
    (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right
    time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion
    that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and
    now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent."

    The author of The Transformation of War forcefully stated that, as of now,
    there are already nuclear warheads aimed against Rome and other European
    capitals that render the threat credible and the "transfer" of the Palestinians possible.


    http://www.voltairenet.org/Israel-aims-its-nuclear-warheads

    Replies: @Anon, @Truth Vigilante, @mulga mumblebrain

    And, THEN, on to Eretz Yisrael, ‘…from the Nile to the Euphrates’.

  • @Ambrose Kane
    @Loup-Bouc

    Go back to to your ghetto housing in South Side Chicago. The entire ‘narrative’ that Fentanyl Floyd was killed at the hands of Derek Chauvin has been overturned by the evidence that has recently come out which said that asphyxiation played no role in his death. That big goon had enough Fentanyl in his system to kill a horse! All the medical assistance, liberal pampering, and crocodile tears wouldn’t have saved that criminal.

    Many of us even knew at Chauvin’s trial that the evidence was incredibly weak. The jury, however, knew they had to arrive at a guilty verdict. And so it happened as many predicted.

    Thus, the worthless bottom feeder criminal known as George Floyd did indeed die a “career criminal” - that is, when he wasn’t doing porn movies.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

    Let’s get some more ‘evidence’ by having some heavy goon kneel on YOUR neck for several minutes. For a vicious racist like you, the fact that Floyd’s medical condition meant that even more care had to be exercised is beyond your moral capacity to comprehend.

  • @Iris
    @L.K


    Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
     
    This comment is so stupid that I find it hard to believe that you are NOT just playing the idiot, the typical modus operandi that Khazar trolls use, rolling out knowingly-flawed arguments in the hope that some halfwits will believe them anyway.

    The FIRST goal of Anglo-Zionist empire was NOT to directly threaten Russia with nuclear weapons, which it could not use anyway, since in the situation of a healthy Russian military, such escalation would guarantee an equally devastating response.

    The FIRST goal of the Anglo-Zionist empire WAS to provoke a slow-motion, controlled ECONOMIC and MILITARY collapse of Russia by the use of a proxy economic block and a proxy war dog, respectively the EU and Ukraine.
    Such bi-dimensional war would have rendered Russia so weak as to lead to a regime change/collapse, similar to what happened in August 1991, when the USSR's nuclear weapons were of no use against a seemingly ''popular'' uprising channelled around Yeltsin.

    So in order to generate the level of destruction required to bring down the Russian state, it is certainly not the ludicrous confetti Baltics states (less than 5 million people between them), or Finland (5.5 millions), who could have even remotely budged Russia,

    The Globalists within your Khazar brethren needed a much stronger and powerful proxy attack dog to efficiently weaken the Russian bear, so they went for the Ukraine (a pool of 44 millions multi-purpose cannon fodder) to create a second Afghanistan-style trap to Russia.

    Replies: @24th Alabama

    “Being an idiot” and “playing an idiot” are not mutually exclusive categories, and
    at times real idiots and pretend idiots are on the same side of an argument.
    You can imagine all of the possible combinations, but finally we are obligated
    to deal with their arguments rather than their identity or intent, except for
    obvious trolls like Jo Jo, the Johnson twins, BTDT, LK, etc.

    • Thanks:Iris
  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama


    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China. No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.
     
    Good, then this next effort will get you, hopefully and finally, to truly perforate your colon.
    But ok, the US would go apeshit and invade/regime change Mexico or Canada.
    Yeah, yeah, 'Great Powers' can do whatever they like, rule of the jungle and all.

    But you must have flunked your basic Geography classes or cut them altogether. Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
    Hipothetically speaking then, the US would already have an advantage in MAD, due to all these pretty supposed launch platforms that it acquired expanding NATO eastwards. It would have a little advantage even without the expansion eastwards, since it still maintains nukes in Turkey, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.
    So what's the big deal re Ukraine? Or Georgia for that matter. Like I said, all very provocative from a Russian pov, no doubt, but an actual existencial threat? Somebody may counter by saying that the Baltic states would be easier to neutralize since they are too small, but if the US were to attempt to gain a significant nuclear upperhand over the Russians, it would install nukes in many of those new NATO states, which are close to Russia and, by Euro standarts, relatively large, such as Poland and Romania.

    Furthermore,as blowback from the Ukrainian invasion, Russia got Finland into NATO. Before the Russian invasion, public opinion in Finland to join NATO was weak, it all changed very drastically after the early 22 invasion.
    Now Finland has long shared borders with Russia and, just as the Baltics, could hipothetically be used as nuclear launch sites against key Russian cities such as Saint Petersburg and Moscow.
    Ultimately though, as I said, only a few of the older NATO members have US nukes in them, so no new threats actually exist, only the possibility, not demonstrated, that the US might, sometime down the line, try to take advantage of these new NATO members close to or bordering on Russia. The Russians have means to detect the US transfer of such nuclear missiles early on and then yes, that would be indeed a real existential threat, and reason for Russia to preemptively strike. But specifically in the case of Ukraine, I just don't see how it adds too much to all the other NATO states, including Finland now, the Americans could already use. What it would do is greatly diminish Russian influence over Ukraine, something many in Russian elites find intolerable.
    Also, no country with pending border disputes can even join NATO. Ukraine has had such problems/disputes since 2014.

    To join NATO, countries must first be offered a membership action plan, which includes a formal invitation and a tailored road map for future membership.To obtain such a plan, prospective members must first peacefully resolve outstanding international, ethnic and territorial disputes. The problem this poses is obvious: Putin can sabotage a state’s NATO bid by starting a conflict.

    He’s done it before. In 2004, new Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili made accession to NATO a priority. Four years later at a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush pushed for a membership action plan to be offered to Georgia. However, separatist movements in the Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions served as a roadblock. Other NATO members, including France and Germany, were reluctant to extend a membership action plan under these conditions.

    Seeing an opportunity, Russia invaded in August 2008. (In 2011, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev boasted that Georgia would have already become a NATO member had Russia chosen not to attack.) Putin may have invaded the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, grabbing it from Ukraine, for similar reasons. By now, using force to thwart NATO bids is a standard play for Russia.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/22/natos-membership-rules-invite-conflict-benefit-putin/
    Besides the Crimea grab, Russia also fueled the separatist movement in the Donbas, including sending many Russian professional soldiers as 'volunteers'.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Iris, @24th Alabama

    “Hippothetically speaking.” Are you plagiarizing yourself, stealing a phrase from
    your speech to the Zimbabwe game wardens? To Michelle Obama’s Class Reunion?

  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama


    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China. No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.
     
    Good, then this next effort will get you, hopefully and finally, to truly perforate your colon.
    But ok, the US would go apeshit and invade/regime change Mexico or Canada.
    Yeah, yeah, 'Great Powers' can do whatever they like, rule of the jungle and all.

    But you must have flunked your basic Geography classes or cut them altogether. Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
    Hipothetically speaking then, the US would already have an advantage in MAD, due to all these pretty supposed launch platforms that it acquired expanding NATO eastwards. It would have a little advantage even without the expansion eastwards, since it still maintains nukes in Turkey, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.
    So what's the big deal re Ukraine? Or Georgia for that matter. Like I said, all very provocative from a Russian pov, no doubt, but an actual existencial threat? Somebody may counter by saying that the Baltic states would be easier to neutralize since they are too small, but if the US were to attempt to gain a significant nuclear upperhand over the Russians, it would install nukes in many of those new NATO states, which are close to Russia and, by Euro standarts, relatively large, such as Poland and Romania.

    Furthermore,as blowback from the Ukrainian invasion, Russia got Finland into NATO. Before the Russian invasion, public opinion in Finland to join NATO was weak, it all changed very drastically after the early 22 invasion.
    Now Finland has long shared borders with Russia and, just as the Baltics, could hipothetically be used as nuclear launch sites against key Russian cities such as Saint Petersburg and Moscow.
    Ultimately though, as I said, only a few of the older NATO members have US nukes in them, so no new threats actually exist, only the possibility, not demonstrated, that the US might, sometime down the line, try to take advantage of these new NATO members close to or bordering on Russia. The Russians have means to detect the US transfer of such nuclear missiles early on and then yes, that would be indeed a real existential threat, and reason for Russia to preemptively strike. But specifically in the case of Ukraine, I just don't see how it adds too much to all the other NATO states, including Finland now, the Americans could already use. What it would do is greatly diminish Russian influence over Ukraine, something many in Russian elites find intolerable.
    Also, no country with pending border disputes can even join NATO. Ukraine has had such problems/disputes since 2014.

    To join NATO, countries must first be offered a membership action plan, which includes a formal invitation and a tailored road map for future membership.To obtain such a plan, prospective members must first peacefully resolve outstanding international, ethnic and territorial disputes. The problem this poses is obvious: Putin can sabotage a state’s NATO bid by starting a conflict.

    He’s done it before. In 2004, new Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili made accession to NATO a priority. Four years later at a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush pushed for a membership action plan to be offered to Georgia. However, separatist movements in the Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions served as a roadblock. Other NATO members, including France and Germany, were reluctant to extend a membership action plan under these conditions.

    Seeing an opportunity, Russia invaded in August 2008. (In 2011, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev boasted that Georgia would have already become a NATO member had Russia chosen not to attack.) Putin may have invaded the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, grabbing it from Ukraine, for similar reasons. By now, using force to thwart NATO bids is a standard play for Russia.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/22/natos-membership-rules-invite-conflict-benefit-putin/
    Besides the Crimea grab, Russia also fueled the separatist movement in the Donbas, including sending many Russian professional soldiers as 'volunteers'.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Iris, @24th Alabama

    Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.

    This comment is so stupid that I find it hard to believe that you are NOT just playing the idiot, the typical modus operandi that Khazar trolls use, rolling out knowingly-flawed arguments in the hope that some halfwits will believe them anyway.

    The FIRST goal of Anglo-Zionist empire was NOT to directly threaten Russia with nuclear weapons, which it could not use anyway, since in the situation of a healthy Russian military, such escalation would guarantee an equally devastating response.

    The FIRST goal of the Anglo-Zionist empire WAS to provoke a slow-motion, controlled ECONOMIC and MILITARY collapse of Russia by the use of a proxy economic block and a proxy war dog, respectively the EU and Ukraine.
    Such bi-dimensional war would have rendered Russia so weak as to lead to a regime change/collapse, similar to what happened in August 1991, when the USSR’s nuclear weapons were of no use against a seemingly ”popular” uprising channelled around Yeltsin.

    So in order to generate the level of destruction required to bring down the Russian state, it is certainly not the ludicrous confetti Baltics states (less than 5 million people between them), or Finland (5.5 millions), who could have even remotely budged Russia,

    The Globalists within your Khazar brethren needed a much stronger and powerful proxy attack dog to efficiently weaken the Russian bear, so they went for the Ukraine (a pool of 44 millions multi-purpose cannon fodder) to create a second Afghanistan-style trap to Russia.

    • Replies:@24th Alabama
    @Iris

    "Being an idiot" and "playing an idiot" are not mutually exclusive categories, and
    at times real idiots and pretend idiots are on the same side of an argument.
    You can imagine all of the possible combinations, but finally we are obligated
    to deal with their arguments rather than their identity or intent, except for
    obvious trolls like Jo Jo, the Johnson twins, BTDT, LK, etc.

  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama


    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China. No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.
     
    Good, then this next effort will get you, hopefully and finally, to truly perforate your colon.
    But ok, the US would go apeshit and invade/regime change Mexico or Canada.
    Yeah, yeah, 'Great Powers' can do whatever they like, rule of the jungle and all.

    But you must have flunked your basic Geography classes or cut them altogether. Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
    Hipothetically speaking then, the US would already have an advantage in MAD, due to all these pretty supposed launch platforms that it acquired expanding NATO eastwards. It would have a little advantage even without the expansion eastwards, since it still maintains nukes in Turkey, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.
    So what's the big deal re Ukraine? Or Georgia for that matter. Like I said, all very provocative from a Russian pov, no doubt, but an actual existencial threat? Somebody may counter by saying that the Baltic states would be easier to neutralize since they are too small, but if the US were to attempt to gain a significant nuclear upperhand over the Russians, it would install nukes in many of those new NATO states, which are close to Russia and, by Euro standarts, relatively large, such as Poland and Romania.

    Furthermore,as blowback from the Ukrainian invasion, Russia got Finland into NATO. Before the Russian invasion, public opinion in Finland to join NATO was weak, it all changed very drastically after the early 22 invasion.
    Now Finland has long shared borders with Russia and, just as the Baltics, could hipothetically be used as nuclear launch sites against key Russian cities such as Saint Petersburg and Moscow.
    Ultimately though, as I said, only a few of the older NATO members have US nukes in them, so no new threats actually exist, only the possibility, not demonstrated, that the US might, sometime down the line, try to take advantage of these new NATO members close to or bordering on Russia. The Russians have means to detect the US transfer of such nuclear missiles early on and then yes, that would be indeed a real existential threat, and reason for Russia to preemptively strike. But specifically in the case of Ukraine, I just don't see how it adds too much to all the other NATO states, including Finland now, the Americans could already use. What it would do is greatly diminish Russian influence over Ukraine, something many in Russian elites find intolerable.
    Also, no country with pending border disputes can even join NATO. Ukraine has had such problems/disputes since 2014.

    To join NATO, countries must first be offered a membership action plan, which includes a formal invitation and a tailored road map for future membership.To obtain such a plan, prospective members must first peacefully resolve outstanding international, ethnic and territorial disputes. The problem this poses is obvious: Putin can sabotage a state’s NATO bid by starting a conflict.

    He’s done it before. In 2004, new Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili made accession to NATO a priority. Four years later at a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush pushed for a membership action plan to be offered to Georgia. However, separatist movements in the Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions served as a roadblock. Other NATO members, including France and Germany, were reluctant to extend a membership action plan under these conditions.

    Seeing an opportunity, Russia invaded in August 2008. (In 2011, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev boasted that Georgia would have already become a NATO member had Russia chosen not to attack.) Putin may have invaded the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, grabbing it from Ukraine, for similar reasons. By now, using force to thwart NATO bids is a standard play for Russia.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/22/natos-membership-rules-invite-conflict-benefit-putin/
    Besides the Crimea grab, Russia also fueled the separatist movement in the Donbas, including sending many Russian professional soldiers as 'volunteers'.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Iris, @24th Alabama

    L.K (aka Lying Khazar) writes:

    Besides the Crimea grab

    What ‘grab’ ?? Crimea has been Russian territory for centuries. Crimea is overwhelmingly composed of ethnic Russians. And the Crimeans almost unanimously voted for their region to remain part of Russia.
    Do you deny their right for self determination ?
    Or do you propose that your malevolent kinsmen in the City of London be entrusted to decide what territory belongs to whom ?

    It hasn’t escaped me how you have no comeback to my comment # 592 which specifies the prime reason why Putin launched his SMO.
    Yes, now that it has joined NATO, nuclear warheads in Finland pointed at Russia would be very concerning, should it ever come to pass. But even though Finland shares a border with Russia, it is still some distance from Moscow.
    Not so in the case of the eastern extremities of Ukraine, which are FAR closer (and would give the Russians greatly diminished response time to attempt interception of incoming warheads or launch retaliatory nukes).

    But even with nukes potentially pre-positioned in Ukraine, this was not the chief catalyst that forced Putin to act. He did so because:

    THE JUDEO-UKRAINIAN REGIME (acting on the instructions of the depraved cartel of Jewish bankers in the City of London), WAS MURDERING COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS IN THE DONBAS.

    So quit with your B.S obfuscation L.K (aka Lying Kike). We can see through your charade.

    • Agree:24th Alabama,Avery,Iris
  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama

    In fact, some high ranking officers in the Russian nationalist camp actually doubted invading Ukraine would be in Russia's best interests.
    in the book 'Russo-Ukrainian War' by Serhii Plokhy, one reads:


    But there were also those in the Russian nationalist camp who did not believe that the war between the Russians and Ukrainians was a good idea.The head of the All-Russian Officer Assembly, Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, published an open letter to Putin opposing the war on the grounds of Russian national interest and Slavic unity.

    “The use of military force against Ukraine will, in the first place, put into question the existence of Russia itself as a state,” wrote Ivashov. “Secondly, it will make Russians and Ukrainians mortal enemies forever. Thirdly, thousands (tens of thousands) of healthy young men will perish on both sides, and that will unquestionably affect the future demographic situation in our countries, which are dying out.”35

     


     

     

    Replies: @24th Alabama

    Thank you for your citation of General Ivashov’s dissenting opinion, which supports the
    belief that Putin welcomes a variety of views. This is a defining quality of a rational and
    confident leader.

    Keep up the good work, however inadvertent it may be.

    • LOL:Iris
  • @24th Alabama
    @L.K

    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become "very alarmed" if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China.

    No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.

    The Neocons, Ziocons and Merchants of Death decided to sacrifice the Ukrainians in an unwinnable War in order to weaken Christian Russia, an act of Jewish revenge against the Slavs.

    NATO also was able to get rid of obsolete weapons and obtain more money for research and manufacturing of new weapons. The MIC Beast must be fed so it may disgorge its blood money back to members of Congress in an endless cycle of corruption

    Your valiant effort to not convince me of anything has been a success.

    Replies: @L.K, @L.K

    In fact, some high ranking officers in the Russian nationalist camp actually doubted invading Ukraine would be in Russia’s best interests.
    in the book ‘Russo-Ukrainian War’ by Serhii Plokhy, one reads:

    But there were also those in the Russian nationalist camp who did not believe that the war between the Russians and Ukrainians was a good idea.The head of the All-Russian Officer Assembly, Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, published an open letter to Putin opposing the war on the grounds of Russian national interest and Slavic unity.

    “The use of military force against Ukraine will, in the first place, put into question the existence of Russia itself as a state,” wrote Ivashov. “Secondly, it will make Russians and Ukrainians mortal enemies forever. Thirdly, thousands (tens of thousands) of healthy young men will perish on both sides, and that will unquestionably affect the future demographic situation in our countries, which are dying out.”35

    • Replies:@24th Alabama
    @L.K

    Thank you for your citation of General Ivashov's dissenting opinion, which supports the
    belief that Putin welcomes a variety of views. This is a defining quality of a rational and
    confident leader.

    Keep up the good work, however inadvertent it may be.

  • @24th Alabama
    @L.K

    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become "very alarmed" if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China.

    No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.

    The Neocons, Ziocons and Merchants of Death decided to sacrifice the Ukrainians in an unwinnable War in order to weaken Christian Russia, an act of Jewish revenge against the Slavs.

    NATO also was able to get rid of obsolete weapons and obtain more money for research and manufacturing of new weapons. The MIC Beast must be fed so it may disgorge its blood money back to members of Congress in an endless cycle of corruption

    Your valiant effort to not convince me of anything has been a success.

    Replies: @L.K, @L.K

    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China. No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.

    Good, then this next effort will get you, hopefully and finally, to truly perforate your colon.
    But ok, the US would go apeshit and invade/regime change Mexico or Canada.
    Yeah, yeah, ‘Great Powers’ can do whatever they like, rule of the jungle and all.

    But you must have flunked your basic Geography classes or cut them altogether. Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
    Hipothetically speaking then, the US would already have an advantage in MAD, due to all these pretty supposed launch platforms that it acquired expanding NATO eastwards. It would have a little advantage even without the expansion eastwards, since it still maintains nukes in Turkey, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.
    So what’s the big deal re Ukraine? Or Georgia for that matter. Like I said, all very provocative from a Russian pov, no doubt, but an actual existencial threat? Somebody may counter by saying that the Baltic states would be easier to neutralize since they are too small, but if the US were to attempt to gain a significant nuclear upperhand over the Russians, it would install nukes in many of those new NATO states, which are close to Russia and, by Euro standarts, relatively large, such as Poland and Romania.

    Furthermore,as blowback from the Ukrainian invasion, Russia got Finland into NATO. Before the Russian invasion, public opinion in Finland to join NATO was weak, it all changed very drastically after the early 22 invasion.
    Now Finland has long shared borders with Russia and, just as the Baltics, could hipothetically be used as nuclear launch sites against key Russian cities such as Saint Petersburg and Moscow.
    Ultimately though, as I said, only a few of the older NATO members have US nukes in them, so no new threats actually exist, only the possibility, not demonstrated, that the US might, sometime down the line, try to take advantage of these new NATO members close to or bordering on Russia. The Russians have means to detect the US transfer of such nuclear missiles early on and then yes, that would be indeed a real existential threat, and reason for Russia to preemptively strike. But specifically in the case of Ukraine, I just don’t see how it adds too much to all the other NATO states, including Finland now, the Americans could already use. What it would do is greatly diminish Russian influence over Ukraine, something many in Russian elites find intolerable.
    Also, no country with pending border disputes can even join NATO. Ukraine has had such problems/disputes since 2014.

    To join NATO, countries must first be offered a membership action plan, which includes a formal invitation and a tailored road map for future membership.To obtain such a plan, prospective members must first peacefully resolve outstanding international, ethnic and territorial disputes. The problem this poses is obvious: Putin can sabotage a state’s NATO bid by starting a conflict.

    He’s done it before. In 2004, new Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili made accession to NATO a priority. Four years later at a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush pushed for a membership action plan to be offered to Georgia. However, separatist movements in the Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions served as a roadblock. Other NATO members, including France and Germany, were reluctant to extend a membership action plan under these conditions.

    Seeing an opportunity, Russia invaded in August 2008. (In 2011, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev boasted that Georgia would have already become a NATO member had Russia chosen not to attack.) Putin may have invaded the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, grabbing it from Ukraine, for similar reasons. By now, using force to thwart NATO bids is a standard play for Russia.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/22/natos-membership-rules-invite-conflict-benefit-putin/
    Besides the Crimea grab, Russia also fueled the separatist movement in the Donbas, including sending many Russian professional soldiers as ‘volunteers’.

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @L.K

    L.K (aka Lying Khazar) writes:


    Besides the Crimea grab
     
    What 'grab' ?? Crimea has been Russian territory for centuries. Crimea is overwhelmingly composed of ethnic Russians. And the Crimeans almost unanimously voted for their region to remain part of Russia.
    Do you deny their right for self determination ?
    Or do you propose that your malevolent kinsmen in the City of London be entrusted to decide what territory belongs to whom ?

    It hasn't escaped me how you have no comeback to my comment # 592 which specifies the prime reason why Putin launched his SMO.
    Yes, now that it has joined NATO, nuclear warheads in Finland pointed at Russia would be very concerning, should it ever come to pass. But even though Finland shares a border with Russia, it is still some distance from Moscow.
    Not so in the case of the eastern extremities of Ukraine, which are FAR closer (and would give the Russians greatly diminished response time to attempt interception of incoming warheads or launch retaliatory nukes).

    But even with nukes potentially pre-positioned in Ukraine, this was not the chief catalyst that forced Putin to act. He did so because:


    THE JUDEO-UKRAINIAN REGIME (acting on the instructions of the depraved cartel of Jewish bankers in the City of London), WAS MURDERING COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS IN THE DONBAS.
     
    So quit with your B.S obfuscation L.K (aka Lying Kike). We can see through your charade.
    ,@Iris
    @L.K


    Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
     
    This comment is so stupid that I find it hard to believe that you are NOT just playing the idiot, the typical modus operandi that Khazar trolls use, rolling out knowingly-flawed arguments in the hope that some halfwits will believe them anyway.

    The FIRST goal of Anglo-Zionist empire was NOT to directly threaten Russia with nuclear weapons, which it could not use anyway, since in the situation of a healthy Russian military, such escalation would guarantee an equally devastating response.

    The FIRST goal of the Anglo-Zionist empire WAS to provoke a slow-motion, controlled ECONOMIC and MILITARY collapse of Russia by the use of a proxy economic block and a proxy war dog, respectively the EU and Ukraine.
    Such bi-dimensional war would have rendered Russia so weak as to lead to a regime change/collapse, similar to what happened in August 1991, when the USSR's nuclear weapons were of no use against a seemingly ''popular'' uprising channelled around Yeltsin.

    So in order to generate the level of destruction required to bring down the Russian state, it is certainly not the ludicrous confetti Baltics states (less than 5 million people between them), or Finland (5.5 millions), who could have even remotely budged Russia,

    The Globalists within your Khazar brethren needed a much stronger and powerful proxy attack dog to efficiently weaken the Russian bear, so they went for the Ukraine (a pool of 44 millions multi-purpose cannon fodder) to create a second Afghanistan-style trap to Russia.

    Replies: @24th Alabama

    ,@24th Alabama
    @L.K

    "Hippothetically speaking." Are you plagiarizing yourself, stealing a phrase from
    your speech to the Zimbabwe game wardens? To Michelle Obama's Class Reunion?

  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama

    Just for the record, as I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, with China or Russia extending a military alliance led by them to Canada or Mexico, would the US become very alarmed? Obviously.
    From a US imperial perspective, NATO expansion eastwards was certainly not necessary and provocative. From the perspective of the those European countries which had experienced first hand Russian imperialism, you know, as in Russia built the third largest Empire in history, they truly fear Russia and it makes perfect sense for them to desire joining NATO.

    Another factor beyond the security architecture is Russia's jealously of any country butting into their so called near abroad, made up of nations that became independent after the internal collapse of the Soviet Union. This includes increasing Chinese influence over the Stans.

    But practically though, from a security viewpoint, Russia does not face any real threat from the US/NATO in terms of a conventional attack. The US would not ever attempt such a move.
    The potential risk for Russia is if the Americans were to place nuclear tipped missiles in these Central/Eastern European countries, making the US get an advantage in some sort of end of the world scenario contemplating a nuclear first strike.
    Russian military and political leadership must necessarily consider such a scenario. That said, the notion of Ukraine becoming a launch pad for the US is far-fetched, since the only NATO countries housing US nukes today are Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, i.e, none of the countries that joined NATO after the Cold War have them. In fact, during the ongoing war in Ukraine, the US administration has been reluctant to provide even heavier/longer ranged weapon systems and munitions to Ukraine, and done so piecemeal, diminishing the impact. A constant fear is that such conventional weapons could be used to hit inside Russia and escalate the situation.

    Bottom line; Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all, not in the real sense. For instance, when Germany attacked the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, the threat Germany was facing was real and immediate, as German intel had picked up on the enourmous Soviet military buildup in its rear, as Germany struggled with a war it had failed to finish with the British, knowing the Americans were just wating in the wings. What the Germans did was indeed a preemptive strike, what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.

    Replies: @24th Alabama, @Truth Vigilante

    L.K (aka Likudnik Khazarian) writes:

    Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all ….. what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.

    What are you talking about dickhead ?

    The Judeo-Ukrainian regime had already murdered 14,0oo ethnic Russians (predominantly civilians) in the Donbas, and had ESCALATED their shelling so as to murder countless thousands more.

    Sure, Putin had the choice to sit back and see his countrymen massacred. But, unlike you, he had a conscience.
    And this is confirmed by the way Putin conducted the SMO, so as to achieve the smallest possible loss of civilian life of any major operation* in living memory.
    (*There has never been anything comparable to this in terms of how few non-combatants were killed as a proportion of total casualties).

    Sure, Russia could have gone all-in with a Shock and Awe campaign like America and Apartheid Israeli state do, with callous disregard for collateral damage to civilians. But he instead chose the humanitarian alternative.

    SUMMARY: Every objective observer is PRAISING Putin and the Russian military in this proxy war orchestrated by the Anglo Zionist empire.
    ONLY those with (((tribal))) affiliations and misguided Poles/Finns/Baltic imbeciles (that were duped by ZOG propaganda into believing that Russia is doing this for reasons of expanding its empire), are saying otherwise.

    • Agree:Brewer
  • @Ron Unz
    @Brosi


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    Citation?
     
    Sure. The issue came up earlier this year and here's what had been mentioned in the comments:

    One example of where Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder. The target makes sense. The timing was right. But he gives no evidence.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5826016

    What's worse, that commenter hadn't considered the dates, as someone else pointed out:

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!” Mullins was projecting backwards in time. If the kidnapping had happened in 1940 then this would make more sense.
     
    Here's what I'd said at the time:

    From what I’ve heard, Mullins had a terrible reputation within the ultra-rightwing anti-semitic conspiracy-community for just making stuff up. Perhaps he was a lot like Larry Romanoff, whose articles I publish on this website. Romanoff also just makes stuff up.

    I take a tremendous amount of time and effort to try to get the facts correct in my own articles and I’ll admit that writers who “just make stuff up” greatly irritate me.

    However, I’ll also admit that the articles I write would be much more “exciting” if I just made up important facts as I went along
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5825870

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Brosi

    Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder.

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!”

    Just as I suspected. You are ready to throw out and disregard every thing the man ever wrote because you disagree with his opinion that Cabbalistic/Masonic forces might have been involved in the kidnapping.

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  • @Ron Unz
    @Brosi


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    Citation?
     
    Sure. The issue came up earlier this year and here's what had been mentioned in the comments:

    One example of where Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder. The target makes sense. The timing was right. But he gives no evidence.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5826016

    What's worse, that commenter hadn't considered the dates, as someone else pointed out:

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!” Mullins was projecting backwards in time. If the kidnapping had happened in 1940 then this would make more sense.
     
    Here's what I'd said at the time:

    From what I’ve heard, Mullins had a terrible reputation within the ultra-rightwing anti-semitic conspiracy-community for just making stuff up. Perhaps he was a lot like Larry Romanoff, whose articles I publish on this website. Romanoff also just makes stuff up.

    I take a tremendous amount of time and effort to try to get the facts correct in my own articles and I’ll admit that writers who “just make stuff up” greatly irritate me.

    However, I’ll also admit that the articles I write would be much more “exciting” if I just made up important facts as I went along
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5825870

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Brosi

    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    This does not mean that one should therefore disregard what he had written about Rothschild entanglements with non-Jewish US industrialists and bankers in the specific chapter of a book I had cited. Expressing an opinion about ritual murder is not the same as providing sourced material on social and business dependencies in the early 20th century.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Been_there_done_that

    > providing sourced material

    Mullins doesn't really do that. Edward Flaherty wrote up a useful review of the more popular claims on this:

    http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/Federal_Reserve.html

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    By: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Facts: Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

    Facts: No foreigners own any part of the Fed. Each Federal Reserve bank is owned exclusively by the participating commercial banks and S&Ls operating within the Federal Reserve bank's district. Individuals and non-bank firms, be they foreign or domestic, are not permitted by law to own any shares of a Federal Reserve bank. Moreover, monetary policy is controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors, not by the Federal Reserve banks.

    Fact: Independent accounting firms conduct full financial audits of the Federal Reserve banks and the Board of Governors every year. The Fed is also subject to certain types of audits from the Government Accounting Office.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury. The government could print its own currency independent of the Fed, but there would be no effective safeguards against abuse of this power for political gain.

    Facts: The Federal Reserve banks have only a small share of the total national debt (about 7%). Therefore, only a small share of the interest on the debt goes to the Fed. Regardless, the Fed rebates that interest to the Treasury every year, so the debt held by the Fed carries no net interest obligation for the government. In addition, it is Congress, not the Federal Reserve, who is responsible for the federal budget and the national debt.

    Facts: Kennedy wrote E.O. 11,110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    Facts: McFadden was incorrect regarding the Fed costing the government money. However, later economic analysis agrees with him that Federal Reserve policy blunders had a substantial role in causing the Depression. However, his implication that this was done deliberately has no basis in fact. Moreover, for a dozen years prior to his rant, McFadden had been the chairman of the House subcommittee that oversaw the Federal Reserve. Why didn't he do anything to reform or abolish the Fed while he had the chance?

    Facts: The banking system is indeed able to create money with a mere computer keystroke. However, a bank's ability to create money is tied directly to the amount of reserves customers have deposited there. A bank must pay a competitive interest rate on those deposits to keep them from leaving to other banks. This interest expense alone is a substantial portion of a bank's operating costs and is de facto proof a bank cannot costlessly create money.

    Fact: The term 'lawful money' does not refer to gold or silver coin, but to types of money which the government would permit banks to use when tabulating their reserves. These types of money included, but were not limited to, gold and silver coin.

    BY: Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

    Myth #1: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was crafted by Wall Street bankers and a few senators in a secret meeting.
    Myth #2: The Federal Reserve Act never actually passed Congress. The Senate voted on the bill without a quorum, so the Act is null and void.
    Myth# 3: The Federal Reserve Act and paper money are unconstitutional.
    Myth# 4: The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank.
    Myth #5: The Federal Reserve is owned and controlled by foreigners.
    Myth #6: The Federal Reserve has never been audited.
    Myth #7: The Federal Reserve charges interest on the currency we use.
    Myth #8: If it were not for the Federal Reserve charging the government interest, the budget would be balanced and we would have no national debt.
    Myth #9: President Kennedy was assassinated because he tried to usurp the Federal Reserve's power. Executive Order 11,110 proves it.
    Myth #10. The Legendary Tirade of Louis T. McFadden
    -----

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Truth Vigilante, @Tiptoethrutulips

  • @Brosi
    @Ron Unz


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”
     
    Citation?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    Citation?

    Sure. The issue came up earlier this year and here’s what had been mentioned in the comments:

    One example of where Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder. The target makes sense. The timing was right. But he gives no evidence.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5826016

    What’s worse, that commenter hadn’t considered the dates, as someone else pointed out:

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!” Mullins was projecting backwards in time. If the kidnapping had happened in 1940 then this would make more sense.

    Here’s what I’d said at the time:

    From what I’ve heard, Mullins had a terrible reputation within the ultra-rightwing anti-semitic conspiracy-community for just making stuff up. Perhaps he was a lot like Larry Romanoff, whose articles I publish on this website. Romanoff also just makes stuff up.

    I take a tremendous amount of time and effort to try to get the facts correct in my own articles and I’ll admit that writers who “just make stuff up” greatly irritate me.

    However, I’ll also admit that the articles I write would be much more “exciting” if I just made up important facts as I went along

    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5825870

    • Replies:@Been_there_done_that
    @Ron Unz


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”
     
    This does not mean that one should therefore disregard what he had written about Rothschild entanglements with non-Jewish US industrialists and bankers in the specific chapter of a book I had cited. Expressing an opinion about ritual murder is not the same as providing sourced material on social and business dependencies in the early 20th century.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    ,@Brosi
    @Ron Unz


    Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder.
     
    ...

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!”
     
    Just as I suspected. You are ready to throw out and disregard every thing the man ever wrote because you disagree with his opinion that Cabbalistic/Masonic forces might have been involved in the kidnapping.
  • @Ron Unz
    @Been_there_done_that


    For instance, based on the history of their establishment, such names as Morgan, Peabody, Brown, Harriman, were intertwined with the London-based Rothschild interests, as described in a revealing book by Mullins.
     
    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just "made stuff up" so nothing he says can be trusted. He was basically the Alex Jones of that print era.

    I've seen numerous claims on the Internet that J.P. Morgan was merely a front for Rothschild interests, and it might possibly be true. There are a few suspicious indications in the early days of his financial activities, and after his death, his personal estate was far smaller than most had expected, given his enormous financial power. But I've never seen any solid evidence.

    Replies: @Brosi

    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    Citation?

    • Replies:@Ron Unz
    @Brosi


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”

    Citation?
     
    Sure. The issue came up earlier this year and here's what had been mentioned in the comments:

    One example of where Mullins appears to just make stuff up is his essay on the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh’s son. Mullins claims it was a Jewish ritual murder. The target makes sense. The timing was right. But he gives no evidence.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5826016

    What's worse, that commenter hadn't considered the dates, as someone else pointed out:

    How could that be true when the kidnapping took place on March 1, 1932? This was 11 months before Hitler took power and more than a year before the much-dramatized statement of Samuel Untermeyer to the effect of “Judea Declares on Germany!” Mullins was projecting backwards in time. If the kidnapping had happened in 1940 then this would make more sense.
     
    Here's what I'd said at the time:

    From what I’ve heard, Mullins had a terrible reputation within the ultra-rightwing anti-semitic conspiracy-community for just making stuff up. Perhaps he was a lot like Larry Romanoff, whose articles I publish on this website. Romanoff also just makes stuff up.

    I take a tremendous amount of time and effort to try to get the facts correct in my own articles and I’ll admit that writers who “just make stuff up” greatly irritate me.

    However, I’ll also admit that the articles I write would be much more “exciting” if I just made up important facts as I went along
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/?showcomments#comment-5825870

    Replies: @Been_there_done_that, @Brosi

  • @Ron Unz
    @Yevardian


    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all.

    That seems reasonable. But the question is, when exactly in the interwar period did that turning point happen? From what I’ve read by the time WWII had started their influence was already very strong.
     
    I think it was mostly a continual process during the 1920s and 1930s.

    Remember, back in 1917, neither the film industry nor radio had any major media impact, but they steadily became more and more important over the next couple of decades, and both were overwhelmingly Jewish-dominated.

    The shifts in newspapers and magazines were less dramatic, but I do think that Jewish influence was far greater in the late 1930s than it had been a generation earlier, especially since so many of the established print publications went out of business during the Great Depression.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Don’t underestimate the film industry.

    Walter Benjamin theorised, in his writings, later put together as Illuminations, that Cinema was to be a vast therapeutic instrument.

  • @turtle
    @24th Alabama

    Extermination now, is what the Jews teach their children.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/11/21/israeli-state-tv-video-shows-children-singing-about-gaza

    And when they are done, make no mistake, they will be coming for you.
    because Jews believe that non-Jews are subhuman.

    This conflict did not start in 2023. It started in 1948.

    There is no "war" in Gaza. Only slaughter.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

    It started 3500 years ago.

  • @L.K
    @24th Alabama

    Just for the record, as I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, with China or Russia extending a military alliance led by them to Canada or Mexico, would the US become very alarmed? Obviously.
    From a US imperial perspective, NATO expansion eastwards was certainly not necessary and provocative. From the perspective of the those European countries which had experienced first hand Russian imperialism, you know, as in Russia built the third largest Empire in history, they truly fear Russia and it makes perfect sense for them to desire joining NATO.

    Another factor beyond the security architecture is Russia's jealously of any country butting into their so called near abroad, made up of nations that became independent after the internal collapse of the Soviet Union. This includes increasing Chinese influence over the Stans.

    But practically though, from a security viewpoint, Russia does not face any real threat from the US/NATO in terms of a conventional attack. The US would not ever attempt such a move.
    The potential risk for Russia is if the Americans were to place nuclear tipped missiles in these Central/Eastern European countries, making the US get an advantage in some sort of end of the world scenario contemplating a nuclear first strike.
    Russian military and political leadership must necessarily consider such a scenario. That said, the notion of Ukraine becoming a launch pad for the US is far-fetched, since the only NATO countries housing US nukes today are Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, i.e, none of the countries that joined NATO after the Cold War have them. In fact, during the ongoing war in Ukraine, the US administration has been reluctant to provide even heavier/longer ranged weapon systems and munitions to Ukraine, and done so piecemeal, diminishing the impact. A constant fear is that such conventional weapons could be used to hit inside Russia and escalate the situation.

    Bottom line; Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all, not in the real sense. For instance, when Germany attacked the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, the threat Germany was facing was real and immediate, as German intel had picked up on the enourmous Soviet military buildup in its rear, as Germany struggled with a war it had failed to finish with the British, knowing the Americans were just wating in the wings. What the Germans did was indeed a preemptive strike, what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.

    Replies: @24th Alabama, @Truth Vigilante

    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China.

    No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.

    The Neocons, Ziocons and Merchants of Death decided to sacrifice the Ukrainians in an unwinnable War in order to weaken Christian Russia, an act of Jewish revenge against the Slavs.

    NATO also was able to get rid of obsolete weapons and obtain more money for research and manufacturing of new weapons. The MIC Beast must be fed so it may disgorge its blood money back to members of Congress in an endless cycle of corruption

    Your valiant effort to not convince me of anything has been a success.

    • Agree:Truth Vigilante,Iris
    • Replies:@L.K
    @24th Alabama


    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become “very alarmed” if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China. No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.
     
    Good, then this next effort will get you, hopefully and finally, to truly perforate your colon.
    But ok, the US would go apeshit and invade/regime change Mexico or Canada.
    Yeah, yeah, 'Great Powers' can do whatever they like, rule of the jungle and all.

    But you must have flunked your basic Geography classes or cut them altogether. Russia has been living with neighbors that she used to control, some of which share DIRECT borders with her, and which have joined NATO, for years now.
    Hipothetically speaking then, the US would already have an advantage in MAD, due to all these pretty supposed launch platforms that it acquired expanding NATO eastwards. It would have a little advantage even without the expansion eastwards, since it still maintains nukes in Turkey, Italy, Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.
    So what's the big deal re Ukraine? Or Georgia for that matter. Like I said, all very provocative from a Russian pov, no doubt, but an actual existencial threat? Somebody may counter by saying that the Baltic states would be easier to neutralize since they are too small, but if the US were to attempt to gain a significant nuclear upperhand over the Russians, it would install nukes in many of those new NATO states, which are close to Russia and, by Euro standarts, relatively large, such as Poland and Romania.

    Furthermore,as blowback from the Ukrainian invasion, Russia got Finland into NATO. Before the Russian invasion, public opinion in Finland to join NATO was weak, it all changed very drastically after the early 22 invasion.
    Now Finland has long shared borders with Russia and, just as the Baltics, could hipothetically be used as nuclear launch sites against key Russian cities such as Saint Petersburg and Moscow.
    Ultimately though, as I said, only a few of the older NATO members have US nukes in them, so no new threats actually exist, only the possibility, not demonstrated, that the US might, sometime down the line, try to take advantage of these new NATO members close to or bordering on Russia. The Russians have means to detect the US transfer of such nuclear missiles early on and then yes, that would be indeed a real existential threat, and reason for Russia to preemptively strike. But specifically in the case of Ukraine, I just don't see how it adds too much to all the other NATO states, including Finland now, the Americans could already use. What it would do is greatly diminish Russian influence over Ukraine, something many in Russian elites find intolerable.
    Also, no country with pending border disputes can even join NATO. Ukraine has had such problems/disputes since 2014.

    To join NATO, countries must first be offered a membership action plan, which includes a formal invitation and a tailored road map for future membership.To obtain such a plan, prospective members must first peacefully resolve outstanding international, ethnic and territorial disputes. The problem this poses is obvious: Putin can sabotage a state’s NATO bid by starting a conflict.

    He’s done it before. In 2004, new Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili made accession to NATO a priority. Four years later at a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush pushed for a membership action plan to be offered to Georgia. However, separatist movements in the Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions served as a roadblock. Other NATO members, including France and Germany, were reluctant to extend a membership action plan under these conditions.

    Seeing an opportunity, Russia invaded in August 2008. (In 2011, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev boasted that Georgia would have already become a NATO member had Russia chosen not to attack.) Putin may have invaded the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, grabbing it from Ukraine, for similar reasons. By now, using force to thwart NATO bids is a standard play for Russia.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/22/natos-membership-rules-invite-conflict-benefit-putin/
    Besides the Crimea grab, Russia also fueled the separatist movement in the Donbas, including sending many Russian professional soldiers as 'volunteers'.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Iris, @24th Alabama

    ,@L.K
    @24th Alabama

    In fact, some high ranking officers in the Russian nationalist camp actually doubted invading Ukraine would be in Russia's best interests.
    in the book 'Russo-Ukrainian War' by Serhii Plokhy, one reads:


    But there were also those in the Russian nationalist camp who did not believe that the war between the Russians and Ukrainians was a good idea.The head of the All-Russian Officer Assembly, Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, published an open letter to Putin opposing the war on the grounds of Russian national interest and Slavic unity.

    “The use of military force against Ukraine will, in the first place, put into question the existence of Russia itself as a state,” wrote Ivashov. “Secondly, it will make Russians and Ukrainians mortal enemies forever. Thirdly, thousands (tens of thousands) of healthy young men will perish on both sides, and that will unquestionably affect the future demographic situation in our countries, which are dying out.”35

     


     

     

    Replies: @24th Alabama

  • @24th Alabama
    @Fran Taubman

    The Hamas soldiers are patriots and are determined to free their people.
    Nathan Hale's British executioners praised his bravery and resolve, and
    we should be no less generous in our admiration for the courage of the
    Hamas warriors.

    The Jewish propaganda machine is blaming Hamas for Israeli war crimes,
    which is what we would expect, but only a complete fool would believe such
    misleading nonsense.

    Replies: @turtle

    Extermination now, is what the Jews teach their children.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/11/21/israeli-state-tv-video-shows-children-singing-about-gaza

    And when they are done, make no mistake, they will be coming for you.
    because Jews believe that non-Jews are subhuman.

    This conflict did not start in 2023. It started in 1948.

    There is no “war” in Gaza. Only slaughter.

    • Agree:24th Alabama
    • Replies:@mulga mumblebrain
    @turtle

    It started 3500 years ago.

  • @24th Alabama
    @L.K

    Following your strange logic to its conclusion, Russia should not be threatened
    by an American satellite on its border, and the U.S. would tolerate Canada
    becoming a base for Russian missiles.

    The above argument makes sense because you are anti-Zionist,
    or more likely just shafted in the head.

    Replies: @L.K

    Just for the record, as I’m not trying to convince you of anything.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, with China or Russia extending a military alliance led by them to Canada or Mexico, would the US become very alarmed? Obviously.
    From a US imperial perspective, NATO expansion eastwards was certainly not necessary and provocative. From the perspective of the those European countries which had experienced first hand Russian imperialism, you know, as in Russia built the third largest Empire in history, they truly fear Russia and it makes perfect sense for them to desire joining NATO.

    Another factor beyond the security architecture is Russia’s jealously of any country butting into their so called near abroad, made up of nations that became independent after the internal collapse of the Soviet Union. This includes increasing Chinese influence over the Stans.

    But practically though, from a security viewpoint, Russia does not face any real threat from the US/NATO in terms of a conventional attack. The US would not ever attempt such a move.
    The potential risk for Russia is if the Americans were to place nuclear tipped missiles in these Central/Eastern European countries, making the US get an advantage in some sort of end of the world scenario contemplating a nuclear first strike.
    Russian military and political leadership must necessarily consider such a scenario. That said, the notion of Ukraine becoming a launch pad for the US is far-fetched, since the only NATO countries housing US nukes today are Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, i.e, none of the countries that joined NATO after the Cold War have them. In fact, during the ongoing war in Ukraine, the US administration has been reluctant to provide even heavier/longer ranged weapon systems and munitions to Ukraine, and done so piecemeal, diminishing the impact. A constant fear is that such conventional weapons could be used to hit inside Russia and escalate the situation.

    Bottom line; Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all, not in the real sense. For instance, when Germany attacked the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, the threat Germany was facing was real and immediate, as German intel had picked up on the enourmous Soviet military buildup in its rear, as Germany struggled with a war it had failed to finish with the British, knowing the Americans were just wating in the wings. What the Germans did was indeed a preemptive strike, what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.

    • Thanks:Wizard of Oz
    • Replies:@24th Alabama
    @L.K

    You do have a talent for understated humor and I trust that you will allow me to join your throng of fans. I laughed so hard I may have perforated my colon when you said that the U.S. would become "very alarmed" if Canada or Mexico joined an alliance with Russia or China.

    No Great Power allows a hostile force to take over a neighbor. Putin warned NATO for 20 years that moving into Ukraine would be considered an existential threat, and intolerable. Response time to a nuclear attack continues to grow shorter because of increased missile speed, now hypersonic for some. The consequences of subverting the MAD doctrine are horrible, and we can agree on that.

    The Neocons, Ziocons and Merchants of Death decided to sacrifice the Ukrainians in an unwinnable War in order to weaken Christian Russia, an act of Jewish revenge against the Slavs.

    NATO also was able to get rid of obsolete weapons and obtain more money for research and manufacturing of new weapons. The MIC Beast must be fed so it may disgorge its blood money back to members of Congress in an endless cycle of corruption

    Your valiant effort to not convince me of anything has been a success.

    Replies: @L.K, @L.K

    ,@Truth Vigilante
    @L.K

    L.K (aka Likudnik Khazarian) writes:



    Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all ..... what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.
     
    What are you talking about dickhead ?

    The Judeo-Ukrainian regime had already murdered 14,0oo ethnic Russians (predominantly civilians) in the Donbas, and had ESCALATED their shelling so as to murder countless thousands more.

    Sure, Putin had the choice to sit back and see his countrymen massacred. But, unlike you, he had a conscience.
    And this is confirmed by the way Putin conducted the SMO, so as to achieve the smallest possible loss of civilian life of any major operation* in living memory.
    (*There has never been anything comparable to this in terms of how few non-combatants were killed as a proportion of total casualties).

    Sure, Russia could have gone all-in with a Shock and Awe campaign like America and Apartheid Israeli state do, with callous disregard for collateral damage to civilians. But he instead chose the humanitarian alternative.

    SUMMARY: Every objective observer is PRAISING Putin and the Russian military in this proxy war orchestrated by the Anglo Zionist empire.
    ONLY those with (((tribal))) affiliations and misguided Poles/Finns/Baltic imbeciles (that were duped by ZOG propaganda into believing that Russia is doing this for reasons of expanding its empire), are saying otherwise.
     
  • @Iris
    @L.K

    LOL, reacting like a self-centred prima donna drama queen is so typical of narcissistic Khazars; thanks for the confirmation. It does nothing to enhance your intellectual credibility either.

    But let's talk about the topics of general interest, instead of talking about you, you and again you:

    1) First, the Ukraine.
    A few months back, you, alongside your supporter posting under "Twinkie", discarded MacGregor because, as you repeat, he "failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions". His forecast under discussion was essentially the KIA ratio between Ukrainians and Russian, a figure that MacGregor I think believed to be in the order of 1 to 7 in favour of Russia.

    Well, what isreallyridiculous is that those, like you, who got 95% of their Ukraine forecast wrong, dare to criticise those like MacGregor who on the contrary got his right at 95%.

    The most important thing MacGregor got wrong was the winter weather; ha-ha-ha. As if anybody could have known...
    But more importantly, he was strong and decisive enough to state at a very early stage of the Ukraine senseless massacre that a 40-million strong country stood very little chances against a 147-million one, which also quickly turned up to be the major military industry powerhouse the West wasn't anymore.

    MacGregor had all the important points right: Russia's long preparation, her seemingly infinite industrial power, and her unsurpassed mastery of modern combined armed techniques.

    The Ukraine and its third army are destroyed; there will be no other "counter-offensive". The only question is how long before western Ukraine collapses under her own dead weight, which is what Putin-the- Judoka is patiently waiting for. Ukraine is ruined; the EU cannot economically pick her up, as she is herself on her way down to economic Armageddon, too.

    MacGregor should be praised for having stated the obvious truth about Ukraine: she should have made the decision to save herself, instead of being instrumentalised, used as a proxy kamikaze batting ram by the US to attack Russia. Any ethical person would understand that, why don't you? Because your real wish is the destruction of Russia, while pretending to care about the Ukraine?

    2) Second, Israel.
    Your claimed support to the Palestinians, coupled with a strong opposition to Russia, is a fascinating combination. Fascinating for the retards who don't see the contradiction, that is.

    In which imaginary world can Palestine survive and thrive, if noother superpower can oppose its might to that of Israel and America? Maybe this is possible in the obfuscation and smokescreen fantasy world set up by the Israeli "ant-Zionists", but it is not possible in the real world.

    To survive and be respected, smaller nations need a balance of power to exist between mightier superpowers; any affirmation of the contrary is Talmudic pilpul.

    3) Finally, commenting etiquette.
    You were the first to violently insult me, to my extrem surprise, completely out of the blue, and you continued today.
    Since I have had exactlyZERO interactions with you in the past, it was logical to conclude that your seemingly irrational hatred had an obscure rational cause, and that any such interaction would have occurred while you were using a sock puppet.
    So don't call me a liar just because YOU are poor at keeping tabs on people you insult, and forget which pseudonymic handle you used to abuse them

    Replies: @L.K

    I glanced quickly at your commentary on what I had said about the war in Ukraine. Just your usual bad faith, obfuscation and sophistry. Not worth replying.

    As for your crying out as a victim while constantly stalking and attacking me, perhaps before calling others Khazars you should double check your family lineage. Who again are those famously known to strike others and then pose as victims again?

    Regarding the way you framed the multi-polarity issue, it is really more of your bad faith, sneaky BS, but,just for the record, I’ll clarify my position.
    I am on record here at Unz stating that I am for a multi-polar world. So having other powerful states, such as the rising superpower China, and lesser powers such as Russia, is exactly what I hope for. Such may indeed offer the smaller, weaker nations, which make up the overwhelming majority, options that are hard or impossible in a world dominated by only one superpower, even more so when such a superpower is one as nasty as the USA. That said, it does not follow that I have to support whatever actions China or Russia conduct. When they are reasonable and within the boundaries of international law, great, if not I will condemn those powers just as I do the US. What pisses you off is that you are a Russian bootlicker and I want nothing to do with that shit.
    I’m not pro or against Russia. When Russia does something positive, such as sending an expeditionary force to Syria, I supported it. It was legal and the cause was just. Evidently, any adult understands that Russia went to Syria to secure Russian interests, not to make the world a better place. On the other hand, when Russia screws up and returns to her imperialistic ways…

    Neither China nor post Cold War Russia have ever done anything practical re Palestine and both have done little to help the Axis of Resistance, led by Iran, the only ones actually doing something concrete to help the Palestinians. Russia under Putin has had mostly good relations with Israel, and Putin has enjoyed a close relationship with the depraved criminal Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 100s of thousands of Russian Jews live in Israel as ‘israelis’, many as illegal settlers.

  • @Fran Taubman
    @Ghali

    Why doesn’t Hamas unconditionally surrender and save their people?

    Replies: @Blanc de Chine, @Rurik, @Truth Vigilante, @Wokechoke, @Antediluvian Doomer, @Kali, @Badger Down, @Bro43rd, @24th Alabama

    The Hamas soldiers are patriots and are determined to free their people.
    Nathan Hale’s British executioners praised his bravery and resolve, and
    we should be no less generous in our admiration for the courage of the
    Hamas warriors.

    The Jewish propaganda machine is blaming Hamas for Israeli war crimes,
    which is what we would expect, but only a complete fool would believe such
    misleading nonsense.

    • Replies:@turtle
    @24th Alabama

    Extermination now, is what the Jews teach their children.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/11/21/israeli-state-tv-video-shows-children-singing-about-gaza

    And when they are done, make no mistake, they will be coming for you.
    because Jews believe that non-Jews are subhuman.

    This conflict did not start in 2023. It started in 1948.

    There is no "war" in Gaza. Only slaughter.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

  • @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Mark Hunter

    On a much more superficial note, but relevant to government control of the media, Miljenko Matijevic, recorded the song,We All Die Young, for the soundtrack ofRockstar.

    He said, in an interview, the song was set to be released as a single, in late September, 2001, but President Bush issued an order, after 911, to radio/publishing against certaintrigger words, such as dying, in content, so it was canned. The song was about a metaphorical death, but I remember being surprised that the governmentwould do such a thing…..I also once thought Bill Clinton wouldn’t lie outright, because he was The President of The United States of America!

    I was a silly girl once; I thought most men in authority were more like my father/grandfather.

    Replies: @24th Alabama

    There was a time when an honest and trusting person
    was thought to be virtuous. Today, such a person might
    as well have a “Sucker” tattoo on their forehead and
    “Next”on the back of their shirt.

  • @Anon
    @Malla

    Good Q. Watching this video of the brave speech of Jordanian King Hussein at the recent Cairo Summit will tell you all you need to know. Look at the Arab leaders in the background. Can you imagine a more clueless and corrupt bunch of paid for and bought ZOG whores?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mGz7McMCTo

    Queen Rania of Jordan (herself a Palestinian) does a magnificent job fending off the rude and insulting Qs of Zionist whorepologist Christine Amanpour of CNN:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlOdM-qPCUI

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Malla, @NK

    Talk is cheap

    The Sell-Out King

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    https://henrymakow.com/2023/11/nov-19---israel-did-9-11-oops-.html

  • @Mark Hunter
    @L.K

    In your quote from “America’s Greatest Blunder” by Burton Yale Pines, writing about who was responsible for the U.S. entry into WWI:


    [Charles] Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.
     
    The American public?  Not on their own.  The public was whipped up into supporting the war by media propaganda in collusion, like today, of the federal government.

    Years ago I read the autobiography of Edward Bok,The Americanization of Edward Bok (1920).  He was born in Holland and emigrated to the U.S. when he was six years old.  He came to be the editor ofThe Ladies Home Journal and also founded a news service.  At one point he writes that he along with several other heads of magazines and newspapers was called to Washington D.C. and given what amounted to a press kit on how to promote the war. I can’t remember whether this was before Wilson declared war or right after.  Anyway, Bok went along with the propaganda.  In the book’s preface or introduction he says he wants to be remembered for his accomplishments after he retired from journalism, so maybe he wasn’t too proud of part of that work.

    An example of non-government propaganda is the song,Over There, by George M. Cohan.  Since Jewish influence has come up in this discussion, Cohan – changed from Keohane (simplified from O’Caomhan) – was Irish.  (An NPR article claims the name was intended to insinuate that he was Jewish to help advance his career on Broadway.  You might say he was a crypto-Irishman.)  That blasted song was spontaneous propaganda – I imagine Cohan was trying to make a fast buck on the war. (Here was one, atypical, Irish-American who was not against military involvement.)

    A related fact is that there was considerable resistance to conscription (the newspapers called it “mobilization”) by the public.  This is described in a thin book focusing on one state,The Great Silent Majority: Missouri’s Resistance to World War I by Christopher Gibbs.  Here is a briefreview (it starts most of the way down the first page of the pdf).  Unfortunately the review doesn’t emphasize the parts of the book that describe howtotalitarian the U.S. became during those years, which is what mainly struck me when I read the book.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Mark Hunter, @Tiptoethrutulips

    On a much more superficial note, but relevant to government control of the media, Miljenko Matijevic, recorded the song,We All Die Young, for the soundtrack ofRockstar.

    He said, in an interview, the song was set to be released as a single, in late September, 2001, but President Bush issued an order, after 911, to radio/publishing against certaintrigger words, such as dying, in content, so it was canned. The song was about a metaphorical death, but I remember being surprised that the governmentwould do such a thing…..I also once thought Bill Clinton wouldn’t lie outright, because he was The President of The United States of America!

    I was a silly girl once; I thought most men in authority were more like my father/grandfather.

    • Replies:@24th Alabama
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    There was a time when an honest and trusting person
    was thought to be virtuous. Today, such a person might
    as well have a "Sucker" tattoo on their forehead and
    "Next"on the back of their shirt.

  • @outstrue
    Wow!:

    - The President of Israel threatens the Presidents of U.S. universities to shut down free speech.

    - U.S. universities shutting down student pro-Palestinian rights groups for "security" reasons (these groups apparently represent a nascent "security" and/or "terrorist" threat...)

    - U.S. Zionist billionaires are yet again passing around the plate to fund yet another pro-Israel PR front (with their always sinister euphemistic titles.) They say that Israel needs to "get ahead of the narrative". Methinks their problem is not a "narrative" so much as it is a problem with the truth (which is on full display.)

    Who invented "cancel culture" again, who exactly brought terrorism to the modern Middle East???

    Alas (or is it "oy vey"?).................some one's in trouble.

    Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning, @Mao ZeDong, @Poupon Marx

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    Nov 21 – Chemtrails Turn the Atmosphere into Toxic Sludge?

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    November 21, 2023

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    Most of Dr. William Deagle’s grim predictions did not come true but some are disturbingly familiar.

    Dr. William Deagle: Chemtrails contain mycobacteria, viruses, Pseudomonas bacteria and human plasma

    https://expose-news.com/2023/11/21/dr-william-deagle-chemtrails-contain/

    Swallowing the Camel (2006)

    “National health care will be a nightmare,” because it will be an “electronic choker chain on doctors.” If they don’t do what the “Nazi Dr. Mengele controllers” tell them to do, their licenses will be yanked. Doctors will be forced to implant microchips into their patients and administer “psychotronic vaccines that will rewire your brain,” vaccines that will “insert DNA to alter your genetics,” vaccines that will “brain-tenderize” you so thoughts can be implanted directly into your brain with ELF waves and control your very physiology using scalar technology, and vaccines that cause cancer. All these things have already been developed. “Just like the big pharma drugs…that are slowly killing our elderly population and turning them into demented fools.”

    baudet.jpeg
    Watch: Dutch Populist Leader Thierry Baudet Hospitalised by Glass Bottle Attack Just Days Before Elections

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/11/21/dutch-right-wing-party-leader-thierry-baudet-hospitalised-after-attack-with-glass-bottle/

    Lawlessness in France is off the charts as the government continues to bury its head in the sand on immigration, says Marine Le Pen
    Former French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen warned that crime from inner-city suburbs was spreading to the French countryside and only radical change could stem the flow of lawlessness across the country

    https://rmx.news/france/lawlessness-in-france-is-off-the-charts-as-the-government-continues-to-bury-its-head-in-the-sand-on-immigration-says-marine-le-pen/

    https://www.henrymakow.com/

  • @Richard B
    Regarding the banner in the article's cover photo:

    Zionism is Racism
    Free Palestine
    Communist Revolutionary Group
     
    I smell lox and bagels.

    while Europe outwardly appeared to be slowly moving towards an improving future on the path which for eighteen centuries had served it well, in the Talmudic areas of Russia Zionism joined Communism as the second of the two forces which were to intercept that process.

    Communism was designed to subvert the masses; it was the “great popular movement”...by means of which “the secret societies” were to work in unison for the disruption of Europe.Zionism set out to subvert rulers at the top. Neither force could have moved forward without the other, for rulers of unimpaired authority would have checked the revolution as it had been checked in 1848.

    Zionism was essentially the rejoinder of the Talmudic centre in Russia to the emancipation of Jews in the West. It was the intimation that they must not involve themselves in mankind but must remain apart.
     
    The Controversy of Zion Chapter 24
    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    Replies: @Trinity, @Z-man, @Poupon Marx, @Poupon Marx

    No dying for Israel: 72% of Americans UNWILLING to volunteer for MILITARY SERVICE, poll reveals

    Seventy-two percent of Americans are unwilling to sign up for voluntary military service, according to the results of a new poll.

    The survey conducted by Echelon Insights between Oct. 23 and Oct. 26 polled 1,029 respondents. According to the National Pulse, the 72 percent unwilling to volunteer highlights a notable shift in public sentiment regarding military service. In contrast, only 21 percent of respondents said they were willing to serve the country in the event of war.

    Incidentally, the survey was done weeks after the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas operatives on Israel. As the U.S. remains deeply engaged in multiple global conflicts – such as in Israel, Ukraine, Syria and the Indo-Pacific region – the reluctance to volunteer for military service may have profound implications for its readiness for war.

    The Pulse noted the shrinking size of the U.S. military, which has decreased by 39 percent since 1987. The Army and Air Force both fell short of their 2023 recruitment targets by 10,000, while the Navy missed its target by 6,000. If this trend persists, it could pose significant challenges to the country’s ability to swiftly respond to crises, particularly in specialized roles such as pilots and naval specialists that require years of training.

    https://collapse.news/2023-11-17-poll-72-percent-unwilling-volunteer-military-service.html

    Lowered standards and disregarded data have weakened the US military

    • Thanks:Kali
  • @Mark Hunter
    @L.K

    In your quote from “America’s Greatest Blunder” by Burton Yale Pines, writing about who was responsible for the U.S. entry into WWI:


    [Charles] Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.
     
    The American public?  Not on their own.  The public was whipped up into supporting the war by media propaganda in collusion, like today, of the federal government.

    Years ago I read the autobiography of Edward Bok,The Americanization of Edward Bok (1920).  He was born in Holland and emigrated to the U.S. when he was six years old.  He came to be the editor ofThe Ladies Home Journal and also founded a news service.  At one point he writes that he along with several other heads of magazines and newspapers was called to Washington D.C. and given what amounted to a press kit on how to promote the war. I can’t remember whether this was before Wilson declared war or right after.  Anyway, Bok went along with the propaganda.  In the book’s preface or introduction he says he wants to be remembered for his accomplishments after he retired from journalism, so maybe he wasn’t too proud of part of that work.

    An example of non-government propaganda is the song,Over There, by George M. Cohan.  Since Jewish influence has come up in this discussion, Cohan – changed from Keohane (simplified from O’Caomhan) – was Irish.  (An NPR article claims the name was intended to insinuate that he was Jewish to help advance his career on Broadway.  You might say he was a crypto-Irishman.)  That blasted song was spontaneous propaganda – I imagine Cohan was trying to make a fast buck on the war. (Here was one, atypical, Irish-American who was not against military involvement.)

    A related fact is that there was considerable resistance to conscription (the newspapers called it “mobilization”) by the public.  This is described in a thin book focusing on one state,The Great Silent Majority: Missouri’s Resistance to World War I by Christopher Gibbs.  Here is a briefreview (it starts most of the way down the first page of the pdf).  Unfortunately the review doesn’t emphasize the parts of the book that describe howtotalitarian the U.S. became during those years, which is what mainly struck me when I read the book.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Mark Hunter, @Tiptoethrutulips

    … help advance his career on Broadway.

    Correction: the NPR article said New York, not Broadway, though that’s where he ended up.

  • @Mark Hunter
    @L.K

    In your quote from “America’s Greatest Blunder” by Burton Yale Pines, writing about who was responsible for the U.S. entry into WWI:


    [Charles] Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.
     
    The American public?  Not on their own.  The public was whipped up into supporting the war by media propaganda in collusion, like today, of the federal government.

    Years ago I read the autobiography of Edward Bok,The Americanization of Edward Bok (1920).  He was born in Holland and emigrated to the U.S. when he was six years old.  He came to be the editor ofThe Ladies Home Journal and also founded a news service.  At one point he writes that he along with several other heads of magazines and newspapers was called to Washington D.C. and given what amounted to a press kit on how to promote the war. I can’t remember whether this was before Wilson declared war or right after.  Anyway, Bok went along with the propaganda.  In the book’s preface or introduction he says he wants to be remembered for his accomplishments after he retired from journalism, so maybe he wasn’t too proud of part of that work.

    An example of non-government propaganda is the song,Over There, by George M. Cohan.  Since Jewish influence has come up in this discussion, Cohan – changed from Keohane (simplified from O’Caomhan) – was Irish.  (An NPR article claims the name was intended to insinuate that he was Jewish to help advance his career on Broadway.  You might say he was a crypto-Irishman.)  That blasted song was spontaneous propaganda – I imagine Cohan was trying to make a fast buck on the war. (Here was one, atypical, Irish-American who was not against military involvement.)

    A related fact is that there was considerable resistance to conscription (the newspapers called it “mobilization”) by the public.  This is described in a thin book focusing on one state,The Great Silent Majority: Missouri’s Resistance to World War I by Christopher Gibbs.  Here is a briefreview (it starts most of the way down the first page of the pdf).  Unfortunately the review doesn’t emphasize the parts of the book that describe howtotalitarian the U.S. became during those years, which is what mainly struck me when I read the book.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Mark Hunter, @Tiptoethrutulips

    Thanks for that. I had no idea that George M. Cohan was Irish.

    This is all the more remarkable in view of the fact that the Irish were sympathetic to the German cause during WWI. They themselves had endured centuries of colonial occupation by the British and a substantial [militant] movement for independence was inexorably growing in Ireland.

  • @L.K
    @Ron Unz

    I used to have more faith in the notion that the Zionists had been the ones mostly responsible for dragging the US into the Great War. No longer is this the case. Just the other day I was reading a book, I think it might have been volume I of Alan Hart's excellent Zionism trilogy... anyways, the early Zionists often exaggerated their influence to get traction for their project. For instance; they would approach the Ottoman Turkish government with promises of getting their foreign debt written off and other stuff, which they actually could not do. The Turks listened but were not convinced.
    As for the US' s entry into the war, it seems to have been mostly due to the efforts of the British lobby and of America's own economic interests.
    In the book 'Nothing Less Than War: A New History of America's Entry into World War I', the US professor/historian, Justus Doenecke, writes:


    In 1936 historian Charles A. Beard wrote The Devil Theory of War, based on a series of articles he had written for the New Republic. The Columbia historian, prowar in 1917, showed himself fiercely anti-interventionist two decades later.He aptly argued that only radical changes in America’s economic system, centering on the necessity of absorbing industrial and agricultural surpluses at home, could have served as an alternative policy. Rather than blame bankers, “politicians,” and munitions-makers, as many opinion leaders of his time were doing, Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.1 He titled one chapter “War Is Our Own Work.”
     
    In 'America's Greatest Blunder', US scholar Burton Yale Pines argues that:


    Yet mediation’s failure, the exposure of German spies and the fall of Russian Tsardom, even all together, would not have propelled America into war in spring 1917. Of much greater, determining weight were three other factors:
    *The first was the mounting economic dependence of a now prospering America on sales to Britain, France and Russia. The war was spiking American exports, which soared from $691 million in 1913 to $4.333 billion for the twelve months ending June 1916, the vast bulk of this heading for Allied ports. Simply put, many influential Americans were concluding that the nation’s economy could not survive an Allied defeat or even setback.
    * A second was the so-called “Preparedness Movement,” launched right after the war began. Mainly an ad hoc, volunteer affair, it sought to bolster the nation’s anemic military by training citizens to fight and by increasing defense spending—just in case America found itself at war. As preparedness advocates stumped the country and paraded in cities pleading for readiness and a bigger army and navy, indirectly they were making the case for and winning converts to the necessity of America joining the war.
    * Last, and the most significant factor in the immediate sense, was Germany’s expansion of submarine warfare. [...]
     

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @Been_there_done_that, @Iris, @Mark Hunter

    In your quote from “America’s Greatest Blunder” by Burton Yale Pines, writing about who was responsible for the U.S. entry into WWI:

    [Charles] Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.

    The American public?  Not on their own.  The public was whipped up into supporting the war by media propaganda in collusion, like today, of the federal government.

    Years ago I read the autobiography of Edward Bok,The Americanization of Edward Bok (1920).  He was born in Holland and emigrated to the U.S. when he was six years old.  He came to be the editor ofThe Ladies Home Journal and also founded a news service.  At one point he writes that he along with several other heads of magazines and newspapers was called to Washington D.C. and given what amounted to a press kit on how to promote the war. I can’t remember whether this was before Wilson declared war or right after.  Anyway, Bok went along with the propaganda.  In the book’s preface or introduction he says he wants to be remembered for his accomplishments after he retired from journalism, so maybe he wasn’t too proud of part of that work.

    An example of non-government propaganda is the song,Over There, by George M. Cohan.  Since Jewish influence has come up in this discussion, Cohan – changed from Keohane (simplified from O’Caomhan) – was Irish.  (An NPR article claims the name was intended to insinuate that he was Jewish to help advance his career on Broadway.  You might say he was a crypto-Irishman.)  That blasted song was spontaneous propaganda – I imagine Cohan was trying to make a fast buck on the war. (Here was one, atypical, Irish-American who was not against military involvement.)

    A related fact is that there was considerable resistance to conscription (the newspapers called it “mobilization”) by the public.  This is described in a thin book focusing on one state,The Great Silent Majority: Missouri’s Resistance to World War I by Christopher Gibbs.  Here is a briefreview (it starts most of the way down the first page of the pdf).  Unfortunately the review doesn’t emphasize the parts of the book that describe howtotalitarian the U.S. became during those years, which is what mainly struck me when I read the book.

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @Mark Hunter

    Thanks for that. I had no idea that George M. Cohan was Irish.

    This is all the more remarkable in view of the fact that the Irish were sympathetic to the German cause during WWI. They themselves had endured centuries of colonial occupation by the British and a substantial [militant] movement for independence was inexorably growing in Ireland.

    ,@Mark Hunter
    @Mark Hunter


    ... help advance his career on Broadway.
     
    Correction: the NPR article said New York, not Broadway, though that’s where he ended up.
    ,@Tiptoethrutulips
    @Mark Hunter

    On a much more superficial note, but relevant to government control of the media, Miljenko Matijevic, recorded the song,We All Die Young, for the soundtrack ofRockstar.

    He said, in an interview, the song was set to be released as a single, in late September, 2001, but President Bush issued an order, after 911, to radio/publishing against certaintrigger words, such as dying, in content, so it was canned. The song was about a metaphorical death, but I remember being surprised that the governmentwould do such a thing…..I also once thought Bill Clinton wouldn’t lie outright, because he was The President of The United States of America!

    I was a silly girl once; I thought most men in authority were more like my father/grandfather.

    Replies: @24th Alabama

  • @L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

    LOL, reacting like a self-centred prima donna drama queen is so typical of narcissistic Khazars; thanks for the confirmation. It does nothing to enhance your intellectual credibility either.

    But let’s talk about the topics of general interest, instead of talking about you, you and again you:

    1) First, the Ukraine.
    A few months back, you, alongside your supporter posting under “Twinkie”, discarded MacGregor because, as you repeat, he “failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions”. His forecast under discussion was essentially the KIA ratio between Ukrainians and Russian, a figure that MacGregor I think believed to be in the order of 1 to 7 in favour of Russia.

    Well, what isreallyridiculous is that those, like you, who got 95% of their Ukraine forecast wrong, dare to criticise those like MacGregor who on the contrary got his right at 95%.

    The most important thing MacGregor got wrong was the winter weather; ha-ha-ha. As if anybody could have known…
    But more importantly, he was strong and decisive enough to state at a very early stage of the Ukraine senseless massacre that a 40-million strong country stood very little chances against a 147-million one, which also quickly turned up to be the major military industry powerhouse the West wasn’t anymore.

    MacGregor had all the important points right: Russia’s long preparation, her seemingly infinite industrial power, and her unsurpassed mastery of modern combined armed techniques.

    The Ukraine and its third army are destroyed; there will be no other “counter-offensive”. The only question is how long before western Ukraine collapses under her own dead weight, which is what Putin-the- Judoka is patiently waiting for. Ukraine is ruined; the EU cannot economically pick her up, as she is herself on her way down to economic Armageddon, too.

    MacGregor should be praised for having stated the obvious truth about Ukraine: she should have made the decision to save herself, instead of being instrumentalised, used as a proxy kamikaze batting ram by the US to attack Russia. Any ethical person would understand that, why don’t you? Because your real wish is the destruction of Russia, while pretending to care about the Ukraine?

    2) Second, Israel.
    Your claimed support to the Palestinians, coupled with a strong opposition to Russia, is a fascinating combination. Fascinating for the retards who don’t see the contradiction, that is.

    In which imaginary world can Palestine survive and thrive, if noother superpower can oppose its might to that of Israel and America? Maybe this is possible in the obfuscation and smokescreen fantasy world set up by the Israeli “ant-Zionists”, but it is not possible in the real world.

    To survive and be respected, smaller nations need a balance of power to exist between mightier superpowers; any affirmation of the contrary is Talmudic pilpul.

    3) Finally, commenting etiquette.
    You were the first to violently insult me, to my extrem surprise, completely out of the blue, and you continued today.
    Since I have had exactlyZERO interactions with you in the past, it was logical to conclude that your seemingly irrational hatred had an obscure rational cause, and that any such interaction would have occurred while you were using a sock puppet.
    So don’t call me a liar just because YOU are poor at keeping tabs on people you insult, and forget which pseudonymic handle you used to abuse them

    • Agree:Avery
    • Replies:@L.K
    @Iris

    I glanced quickly at your commentary on what I had said about the war in Ukraine. Just your usual bad faith, obfuscation and sophistry. Not worth replying.

    As for your crying out as a victim while constantly stalking and attacking me, perhaps before calling others Khazars you should double check your family lineage. Who again are those famously known to strike others and then pose as victims again?

    Regarding the way you framed the multi-polarity issue, it is really more of your bad faith, sneaky BS, but,just for the record, I'll clarify my position.
    I am on record here at Unz stating that I am for a multi-polar world. So having other powerful states, such as the rising superpower China, and lesser powers such as Russia, is exactly what I hope for. Such may indeed offer the smaller, weaker nations, which make up the overwhelming majority, options that are hard or impossible in a world dominated by only one superpower, even more so when such a superpower is one as nasty as the USA. That said, it does not follow that I have to support whatever actions China or Russia conduct. When they are reasonable and within the boundaries of international law, great, if not I will condemn those powers just as I do the US. What pisses you off is that you are a Russian bootlicker and I want nothing to do with that shit.
    I'm not pro or against Russia. When Russia does something positive, such as sending an expeditionary force to Syria, I supported it. It was legal and the cause was just. Evidently, any adult understands that Russia went to Syria to secure Russian interests, not to make the world a better place. On the other hand, when Russia screws up and returns to her imperialistic ways...

    Neither China nor post Cold War Russia have ever done anything practical re Palestine and both have done little to help the Axis of Resistance, led by Iran, the only ones actually doing something concrete to help the Palestinians. Russia under Putin has had mostly good relations with Israel, and Putin has enjoyed a close relationship with the depraved criminal Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 100s of thousands of Russian Jews live in Israel as 'israelis', many as illegal settlers.

  • @L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

    Following your strange logic to its conclusion, Russia should not be threatened
    by an American satellite on its border, and the U.S. would tolerate Canada
    becoming a base for Russian missiles.

    The above argument makes sense because you are anti-Zionist,
    or more likely just shafted in the head.

    • Replies:@L.K
    @24th Alabama

    Just for the record, as I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, with China or Russia extending a military alliance led by them to Canada or Mexico, would the US become very alarmed? Obviously.
    From a US imperial perspective, NATO expansion eastwards was certainly not necessary and provocative. From the perspective of the those European countries which had experienced first hand Russian imperialism, you know, as in Russia built the third largest Empire in history, they truly fear Russia and it makes perfect sense for them to desire joining NATO.

    Another factor beyond the security architecture is Russia's jealously of any country butting into their so called near abroad, made up of nations that became independent after the internal collapse of the Soviet Union. This includes increasing Chinese influence over the Stans.

    But practically though, from a security viewpoint, Russia does not face any real threat from the US/NATO in terms of a conventional attack. The US would not ever attempt such a move.
    The potential risk for Russia is if the Americans were to place nuclear tipped missiles in these Central/Eastern European countries, making the US get an advantage in some sort of end of the world scenario contemplating a nuclear first strike.
    Russian military and political leadership must necessarily consider such a scenario. That said, the notion of Ukraine becoming a launch pad for the US is far-fetched, since the only NATO countries housing US nukes today are Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey, i.e, none of the countries that joined NATO after the Cold War have them. In fact, during the ongoing war in Ukraine, the US administration has been reluctant to provide even heavier/longer ranged weapon systems and munitions to Ukraine, and done so piecemeal, diminishing the impact. A constant fear is that such conventional weapons could be used to hit inside Russia and escalate the situation.

    Bottom line; Russia was NOT facing an immediate existential threat at all, not in the real sense. For instance, when Germany attacked the Soviet Union in the summer of 1941, the threat Germany was facing was real and immediate, as German intel had picked up on the enourmous Soviet military buildup in its rear, as Germany struggled with a war it had failed to finish with the British, knowing the Americans were just wating in the wings. What the Germans did was indeed a preemptive strike, what the Russians have done in Ukraine does not qualify as such. It was a choice.

    Replies: @24th Alabama, @Truth Vigilante

  • @Yevardian
    @Ron Unz


    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all.
     
    That seems reasonable. But the question is, when exactly in the interwar period did that turning point happen? From what I've read by the time WWII had started their influence was already very strong.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all.

    That seems reasonable. But the question is, when exactly in the interwar period did that turning point happen? From what I’ve read by the time WWII had started their influence was already very strong.

    I think it was mostly a continual process during the 1920s and 1930s.

    Remember, back in 1917, neither the film industry nor radio had any major media impact, but they steadily became more and more important over the next couple of decades, and both were overwhelmingly Jewish-dominated.

    The shifts in newspapers and magazines were less dramatic, but I do think that Jewish influence was far greater in the late 1930s than it had been a generation earlier, especially since so many of the established print publications went out of business during the Great Depression.

    • Replies:@Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Don’t underestimate the film industry.

    Walter Benjamin theorised, in his writings, later put together as Illuminations, that Cinema was to be a vast therapeutic instrument.

  • @Carney
    @Suetonious

    OK a lot of what you say there is credible, but the bottom line of Jewish newspapers somehow misleading at least the educated public in St. Petersburg etc. doesn't make sense. The complete and honest truth (with no exaggeration at all) of the humiliating catastrophes in the war with Japan was quite disastrous enough as it was.

    Replies: @Suetonious

    The complete and honest truth (with no exaggeration at all) of the humiliating catastrophes in the war with Japan was quite disastrous enough as it was.

    This is a fair statement, but the possibility still remains for the press to shape public perception. I had a professor who felt that the Russian Empire possessed the resources to continue the war, yet public support had collapsed due to the way that these defeats were presented in the press. Discontent was rife in St Petersburg, so it really wouldn’t have taken much to agitate the masses. And just twelve years later, the Judeo-Bolshevik element in the Russian Revolution is well-documented. What role did this element play in 1905? That they would use Russia’s defeats in the Far East to agitate against the Tsar is not wild conjecture

  • @Been_there_done_that
    @Ron Unz

    In reference to so-called "WASP bankers and industrialists":


    From what I’ve read, they bought up or bribed as many of the newspapers as they could in order to support American military intervention.
     
    This appears to be yet another hand-waving argument that derives from dubious premises and provides no specific corroboration or citation.

    First, that their loans to Britain would not be repaid if Britain were to have lost the war. On the contrary, this would have provided an opportunity to take possession of valuable assets (land and companies) and purchase additional productive resources at rock-bottom prices, to attain even more wealth in the future.

    Second, that these unnamed "WASP bankers and industrialists" were independent of the Rothschild banking cartel. For instance, based on the history of their establishment, such names as Morgan, Peabody, Brown, Harriman, were intertwined with the London-based Rothschild interests, as described in a revealing book by Mullins. Rothschild was an early promotor of Zionist agricultural settlements as early as during the 19th century, in the northern Galilee plateau, such as Rosh Pinna, east of the mountain village of Safed/Zfat.

    Eustace Mullins
    The Secrets of The Federal Reserve
    (1983 Updated Edition)

    Chapter Five – The House of Rothschild

    https://famguardian.org/PublishedAuthors/Indiv/MullinsEustice/SecretsOfFedReserve/Ch05.htm
     
    As I have shown, above (November 18, 2023 at 11:59 am GMT – Comment #502), the available margin of time for any newspapers purportedly "bought up or bribed" (another supposition) to publicly promote and endorse taking the country to war was so short, that it is implausible this had actually occurred and would therefore require compelling proof that I have yet to see.

    Unless convincing evidence is presented to disprove Benjamin Freedman's presentation, essentially verified above by the quoted account referring to the Armenian James Malcolm, it must be understood and accepted that the US population was bamboozled into World War 1 due primarily to Zionist inspired considerations, represented through the influence of Justice Brandeis upon President Wilson. In today's parlance such activism would be called "treasonous".

    The Balfour Declaration was thus a reward for this nefarious effort while also serving as an inspiration for the future post-war US delegation of advisors to set strict demands in subsequent peace agreements, with the intent of consolidating Zionist aspirations, as embraced especially by the Rothschild family.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Ron Unz

    For instance, based on the history of their establishment, such names as Morgan, Peabody, Brown, Harriman, were intertwined with the London-based Rothschild interests, as described in a revealing book by Mullins.

    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up” so nothing he says can be trusted. He was basically the Alex Jones of that print era.

    I’ve seen numerous claims on the Internet that J.P. Morgan was merely a front for Rothschild interests, and it might possibly be true. There are a few suspicious indications in the early days of his financial activities, and after his death, his personal estate was far smaller than most had expected, given his enormous financial power. But I’ve never seen any solid evidence.

    • Replies:@Brosi
    @Ron Unz


    The problem is that Mullins was a notorious fraud who just “made stuff up”
     
    Citation?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  • @L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

    L.K (aka Likely Khazarian) says this in his response to Iris:

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won’t check the record of my posts here at Unz.

    Well L.K, I’m very familiar with your previous commentary on the Ukraine proxy war and some other issues, and Iris is bang on target in his/her assessment of you.
    You are indeed one of the most intellectually dishonest people in the UR commentariat.
    I don’t know for sure if you’re an Israeli or a rabid Zionist, but you’re at the very least someone in the mould of a shabbos goy like Lindsey Graham. ie: someone propagating disinfo on behalf of their Talmudic patrons.

  • @Rumpelstiltskin
    @Been_there_done_that

    I mostly agree, but think that Morgan deserves as much, probably more, credit than Brandeis given he was likely far more powerful. But as you say, I believe Morgan too was a Rothschild man. The following is from MacGregor & Docherty'sProlonging the Agony (bold added):


    "Be certain; J.P. Morgan and his associates sat in the driving seat and carried American public opinion towards the slaughterhouse of a world war … in order to protect their obscene profiteering. Taking America to war was not a forgone conclusion, even though the Germans had given up any hope of equal-handed neutrality. The people had to be manipulated.

    The crucial factor lay at the heart of Wall Street where the money power decided that the time to abandon the illusion of neutrality had come. America had to go to war or their losses would have broken the back of the economy. Though fact, it has been vehemently denied ever since. Typical of this attitude is the claim from the American historian Charles Tansill: 57


    There is not the slightest evidence that during the hundred days that preceded America’s entry to the World War the President gave any heed to the demands from “big business” that America intervene in order to save investments that were threatened by possible Allied defeat.58
     
    What nonsense. America’s economy was inextricably linked to an Allied victory. Had the British and French been forced to come to terms with Germany after 1917, potential losses would have been catastrophic. And in April 1917 Wall Street was aware that the balance of forces in Europe had suddenly swung in favor of the Kaiser when his cousin the Czar was deposed.Thomas W. Lamont, of Morgan Bank, estimated that half a million Americans, many from the wealthy and influential east coast establishment, had invested in loans to the Allies.59"


    "Consider what had happened.J.P. Morgan spent the first two years of the war using his banking and financial associates to sell British securities on the American market and spend the money on the weapons of war and all its accessories in America. His agents controlled the orders for steel and armaments, for cotton, wheat and meat, for the transportation of these goods across the Americas and the maritime fleets that crossed the oceans. A single example of what this actually meant can be gleaned from the post-war investigation set up under Congressional Investigation into the munitions industry in 1934. The du Pont company admitted that J.P. Morgan & Co. acted as agents, under sales contracts aggregating $351,259,813.28, which accounted for almost 72% of the total military business carried out for the British and French governments during the war. At a mere 1% commission, Morgan made a profit of $3,512,598, from that alone.64

    Once America abandoned its sham neutrality, Morgan became the prime agent for Wilson’s government at war. Loans which he had issued and underwritten on behalf of the Allies were guaranteed by the State. It was now impossible for his banks to lose money. The American economy continued to flourish. The British and French tax-payer would eventually be required to repay their debts. It was as if he was a Rothschild. Indeed. The reader might well ask: where were the Rothschilds?

    Let the record show that the Rothschilds remained where they always were; at the center of the money-power, though not necessarily under their own name.J.P. Morgan’s personal affiliation with the House of Rothschild dated back to 1899, from which point he represented Rothschild interests in the United States.65 The first telegrams of the war sent to Morgan & Co. in New York, were from Rothschild Freres in Paris on 3 August 1914."
     

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    You wrote:

    J.P. Morgan’s personal affiliation with the House of Rothschild dated back to 1899, from which point he represented Rothschild interests in the United States

    In fact, John Pierpont Morgan’s affiliation with the Rothschild dominated Bank of England go back much further than that.
    The following is from the Wikipedia entries for both J.P. Morgan and his father Junius Spencer Morgan:

    After studying at Göttingen and thus completing his education, J.P. Morgan went to London in August 1857 to join his father [Junius], now a partner in the merchant banking firm George Peabody & Co.
    For the next fourteen years, he worked as his father’s American representative in a series of affiliate banking houses, learning the trade and lifestyle of a bank partner: Duncan, Sherman & Company (1858–60), his own firm J. Pierpont Morgan & Co. (1860–64), and finally Dabney Morgan (1864–72).

    The railway boom ended in 1857 and prices collapsed, leading to rumours in London that Peabody & Co. was on the verge of failure.
    Some of Peabody’s largest clients suspended business or failed entirely, and Duncan Sherman was unable to pay its remittances without assistance. Some of Peabody’s own creditors, including rival Barings Bank, demanded immediate payment on their debts.

    Peabody declined a conditional bailout from the major London houses which would have closed the firm, instead receiving an emergency line of credit of £800,000 from the Bank of England.

    So there it is. The Rothschild controlled Bank of England came to the rescue of J.P. Morgan’s father. From that moment onwards, the Morgan’s were indebted to their magnanimous Jewish patrons and would secure their interests in the U.S.

    We also have this incident of financial chicanery from J.P. Morgan early on during the Civil War (likely done on behalf of his Rothschild benefactor who sought to destabilise the Union and ensure a Confederate victory):

    Morgan also profited in gold after specie payments were suspended in 1862; its price was largely pegged to the possibility of a Union victory.
    In October 1863, he and Edward B. Ketchum transferred $1.15 million (equivalent to $20,287,000 in 2021) in gold to England, forcing a price spike and allowing both men to sell their holdings at a large profit.
    Critics have long considered the deal a speculative effort to corner the American gold market and evidence of Morgan’s insensitivity to the nation’s financial situation, although the economic consequences were ultimately minor.

    So clearly J.P. Morgan was not working in the best interests of his own nation. Instead, he was doing deals that benefitted his Rothschild patrons – and America be damned.

    • Replies:@Patrick McNally
    @Truth Vigilante

    > The Rothschild controlled Bank of England

    What is the evidence for this claim? Alfred de Rothschild was a director of the Bank of England from 1868 to 1889. He is said to have been the first Jewish director at the Bank of England, with no other Jews on the directorate for a half-century after he left in 1889. While it's possible that some other connections might be found, what real basis is there for describing the Bank of England as "Rothschild-controlled"? There is, obviously, a Rothschild & Company bank in London. But that is not the Bank of England. Most claims which I've seen that draw a straight line from the Bank of England to the Rothschild family are usually very poorly sourced ideological assertions.

  • @Fran Taubman
    @Ron Unz

    All of these Neo Nazi Revisionist love, just love to claim that the mighty Jews started the wars. The Jews declared war on Germany via a newspaper clipping of a group of Jews calling for a boycott of Germany, viola the Jews became the visceral hated enemy of Germany as a pretext for ghettoizing Jews not only Germany, but all the occupied countries, with zero jurisprudence the Germans stripped the Jews of their citizenship, stole their property, land, and all their possessions. That is the revisionist rational that the Jews were this mighty sovereign state with a standing army, threatening Germany.

    The Jews were neither powerful or especially influential in Anglo countries. If they were so awesome. the mighty ruling communist, the mighty ruling capitalist, the supreme leaders pulling the puppet strings of the world, manipulating wars, how come they could not save themselves from the fate that fell on them? There were no Jews left in any of the occupied German countries. None.

    There you have the start of Holocaust denial, and the reason the Jews were so vilified. Ironically these revisionist deny the deliberate murder of the Jewish men, women and children, but oh btw they sure did deceiver it. Although it never really happened.

    John wear likes to compare what happened to the rounding up and ghettoizing of the Jews to what happened to the American Japanese put in camps here in the US. Japan was a country at war with the US. The Jews never had a country until Israel, and that is the reason why there is a Jewish country. Tired of being the scape goat for everything in the universe.

    You have to admit being the biggest communist along with the biggest capitalist as twin evils is a lot to take in, for a population of 15 million world wide.

    Replies: @24th Alabama, @mulga mumblebrain, @Kali, @Kali

    DearMossad Fran,

    So, I was thinking back to those discussions of the alleged holocaust of an alleged 6,000,000 jews which forms the basis of your belief in jews special, unique victimhood, when I recalled how you’d stated that youhoped never to comment on UR ever again.

    I found it strange at the time, given that your “hope” implied a lack of personal choice in the matter. Very curious!

    But, looking back over the years of your involvement on this website, from your initially incoherent babblings under Gilad Atzmon’s column, through to your developing “interlectual heft” as you called it, which obviously was assisted with the help of your local rabbi, your favourite jew-victimology/superiority sites and your weekly meetings with your women’s bible-study group.

    Then, around the time “the covids” hit, or maybe a little earlier, you practically vanished for maybe a year or more, only to gradually creep back in, but this time spewing forth a much more structured line in keeping with the “official” jew/israel propaganda narratives, and with a slightly tighter grip on yourself.

    So here’s my questions to you, Mossad Fran: When where you recruited as a Mossad asset? Where/how do you receive your training and talking-points? And why, oh why will your Mossad handler not give you permission to “never post on this site again”?

    On a more personal note, don’t you care that your hands and soul are drenched in the blood of 5,500 innocent babies and their families?

    And all for nothing!

    The zionist entity squatting in historic Palestine is finished,
    Kali.

  • @L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

    Well, you’re lying by the second paragraph, so what should we make of you? Then you assert stuff that I fully agree with, but end with crap again. But I’m biased, like the rest of us. Russia’s slow motion destruction of Banderite Ukraine is a great success, as it is also destroying Europe, but the cost in life among the Ukrainians is hideous. Russia had NO choice as the Banderites and the EU proved themselves so dishonest and treacherous re. Minsk I & II.

  • @Fran Taubman
    @24th Alabama

    The conversation was concerning powerful Jews before WW2 and their influence on driving the US into the war. We are not talking about current powerful Jews. Follow the topic.

    Replies: @24th Alabama

    Your argument is that there were no powerful Jews who influenced the U.S. to enter WW II. FDR would not have become NY Governor or President without the support of the Jewish bankers on Wall Street, and after his election he appointed Henry Morgenthau, Jr. as his Treasury Secretary. Morgenthau was also his friend and neighbor

    Henry was a rabid German- hater who wanted to turn Germany into farms and pastures after the War. Morgenthau’s Assistant Secretary was Harry Dexter White, a Jew and a Soviet spy. White was not wealthy, but Stalin was his boss
    and he certainly shared his Idol’s hatred of Nazi Germany.

    After the War the Jews were rewarded and given their own colony.
    Who has not noticed how welcoming the natives have been, or how gracious and kind the settlers are.

  • @Suetonious
    @Carney

    Tsar Nicholas II was an autocrat, but not quite a micromanager. For 25 years, up to the end of the Russo-Japanese War, Konstantin Pobedonostsev was the Procurator, who oversaw the censorship department. He served under three tsars at a time when the Russian Empire was constantly threatened by internal revolutaries and anarchists. Pobedonostsev would have loved to have had the kind of power and control that you describe, and he did for a short time following the assassination of Alexander II, but the Empire was gradually liberalizing. An attempt was being made to appease the dissidents, as Imperial Russia was a global power and was reluctant to enact harsh policies that would distance itself from its peers in Western Europe. Perhaps, too, the tsars really believed the faith they professed and chose mercy over justice.

    Much of the dissident element was Jewish, as they were the ideological leaders of the radical movement. Solzhenitsyn explains this in his book. Socialism was on the rise and some ethnic Russians were persuaded that they needed a modern form of representative government. This was especially true in the industrial cities of western Russia, where literacy rates were higher than in the Asiatic steppes. The 1905 Revolution was largely fought in these cities, particularly in St Petersburg.

    There was a Judaic influence in newspapers that misrepresented the war situation against Japan, which caused support for the war to collapse. Newspapers had their own printing presses, and they risked getting shutdown by printing stories detrimental to the Church or State, but there was not sufficient oversight to vet every headline before publication. Russian could have continued to fight, and possibly win, but problems on the home front forced Tsar Nicholas II to sue for peace. This also brought the downfall of Pobedonostsev, who died soon thereafter. And the Germans watched all of these events unfold.

    Replies: @Carney

    OK a lot of what you say there is credible, but the bottom line of Jewish newspapers somehow misleading at least the educated public in St. Petersburg etc. doesn’t make sense. The complete and honest truth (with no exaggeration at all) of the humiliating catastrophes in the war with Japan was quite disastrous enough as it was.

    • Replies:@Suetonious
    @Carney


    The complete and honest truth (with no exaggeration at all) of the humiliating catastrophes in the war with Japan was quite disastrous enough as it was.
     
    This is a fair statement, but the possibility still remains for the press to shape public perception. I had a professor who felt that the Russian Empire possessed the resources to continue the war, yet public support had collapsed due to the way that these defeats were presented in the press. Discontent was rife in St Petersburg, so it really wouldn't have taken much to agitate the masses. And just twelve years later, the Judeo-Bolshevik element in the Russian Revolution is well-documented. What role did this element play in 1905? That they would use Russia's defeats in the Far East to agitate against the Tsar is not wild conjecture
  • @L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

    The Jew King of Kiev got 600,000 Ukies killed.

  • @Carney
    @Suetonious

    Thanks at least for your acceptance that "skirmish" was wild understatement. It's too rare in these online arguments for anyone to concede even the smallest matter, and your doing so adds greatly to your credibility.

    And I understand your point that of course the press can shape public opinion and therefore indirectly or at at least one point of removal pressure or even effectively compel governments.

    But my point was that czarist Russia was not such a nation or government.

    Firstly and most importantly, it was an autocracy, literally, self-described as such. In such a system, only the opinion of one man -- the czar -- mattered. There was no elected legislature, no politicians fearful of losing their seats due to public disapproval.

    Secondly, Russia had no freedom of the press at all. While the nations and empires of central and western Europe had some degree of press censorship, they still allowed substantial and even harsh criticism of their governments. This was not at all true in Russia. Furthermore, the notion that a Russia at war would have allowed Jewish newspapers to publish false or exaggerated articles with the visible intent of undermining the war effort or even the regime is LUDICROUS.

    Thirdly, even if the regime HAD allowed such a thing, the public of the Russian Empire was mostly illiterate! As late as 1917, male literacy was still under 40% and female literacy only about one-eighth. And they were if anything murderously hostile to Jews. The vast majority of Russia's population was deeply conservative rural peasantry, and those who migrated to become town-dwellers and were more literate were actually the source of most of the pogroms, for example reacting angrily to defacement of the czar's image, and to the proclamation of the 1905 constitution. To the extent that the rural masses took revolutionary action, it was merely of a local character, based on ignorance, illiteracy, and misunderstanding of the czar's 1905 proclamation as somehow allowing for dispossession of local landlords (so they thought they were obeying the czar!) and there was a short-lived wave of local mobs storming and looting manor houses. As de stabilizing as that was, it in no way constituted Jews manipulating the masses.

    Replies: @Suetonious

    Tsar Nicholas II was an autocrat, but not quite a micromanager. For 25 years, up to the end of the Russo-Japanese War, Konstantin Pobedonostsev was the Procurator, who oversaw the censorship department. He served under three tsars at a time when the Russian Empire was constantly threatened by internal revolutaries and anarchists. Pobedonostsev would have loved to have had the kind of power and control that you describe, and he did for a short time following the assassination of Alexander II, but the Empire was gradually liberalizing. An attempt was being made to appease the dissidents, as Imperial Russia was a global power and was reluctant to enact harsh policies that would distance itself from its peers in Western Europe. Perhaps, too, the tsars really believed the faith they professed and chose mercy over justice.

    Much of the dissident element was Jewish, as they were the ideological leaders of the radical movement. Solzhenitsyn explains this in his book. Socialism was on the rise and some ethnic Russians were persuaded that they needed a modern form of representative government. This was especially true in the industrial cities of western Russia, where literacy rates were higher than in the Asiatic steppes. The 1905 Revolution was largely fought in these cities, particularly in St Petersburg.

    There was a Judaic influence in newspapers that misrepresented the war situation against Japan, which caused support for the war to collapse. Newspapers had their own printing presses, and they risked getting shutdown by printing stories detrimental to the Church or State, but there was not sufficient oversight to vet every headline before publication. Russian could have continued to fight, and possibly win, but problems on the home front forced Tsar Nicholas II to sue for peace. This also brought the downfall of Pobedonostsev, who died soon thereafter. And the Germans watched all of these events unfold.

    • Replies:@Carney
    @Suetonious

    OK a lot of what you say there is credible, but the bottom line of Jewish newspapers somehow misleading at least the educated public in St. Petersburg etc. doesn't make sense. The complete and honest truth (with no exaggeration at all) of the humiliating catastrophes in the war with Japan was quite disastrous enough as it was.

    Replies: @Suetonious

  • @Jim Johnson
    @Ron Unz

    It is Unz who is totally confused. The IHR article makes it clear that Zionists did have a direct link to Wilson, actively lobbied for US intervention, started doing so in late 1916, and even convinced anti-Zionists to give up their opposition, independently of the Russian revolution.

    Nobody ever claimed Zionists were the only ones lobbying for US intervention, neither in WWI nor WWII. But the Balfour declaration was issued in response to their efforts. Period.

    But Unz is even more confused:


    "Britain had seized Palestine from the Ottoman Empire and based upon the Balfour Declaration opened the country to substantial Jewish immigration"
     
    Not at all. Britain did *not* allow substantial immigration, they basically refused to honor the Balfour declaration, that's why Weizmann became so angry at them in the 1930s.

    the overwhelmingly Jewish Bolshevik leadership consolidated its power over the world’s largest country and its huge population.
     
    the Bolshevik leadership *wasn't* overwhelmingly Jewish, that's a long been debunked myth: https://vivare.substack.com/p/judeo-bolshevism

    Unz is a totally confused and biased amateur historian. People shouldn't rely on him, ever.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The British were fighting Jews in Palestine during the 1940s. Terrorists in the language of the time.


    Video Link

  • Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz
    @Tiptoethrutulips


    Ok, but whether bluffing, or not, aren’t they still influencing or directing American foreign policy for nefarious gains? A poker game can be won with a bluff, yes?

    I found all sorts of propaganda printed in American newspapers during WW1 about evil Germans killing infants, raping women, etc.
     
    The problem is that you're just totally confused.

    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all. Anyway, the Jews were overwhelminglyagainst American military involvement, just like the Irish-Americans and German-Americans.

    Meanwhile, the WASP bankers and industrialists were desperate to get America involved in the war in order to ensure an Allied victory and the likelihood that their enormous war-loans would be repaid. From what I've read, they bought up or bribed as many of the newspapers as they could in order to support American military intervention.

    Neither the Jews nor certainly the small number of Zionist Jews had anything to do with this.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @Been_there_done_that, @Jim Johnson, @L.K, @Yevardian

    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all.

    That seems reasonable. But the question is, when exactly in the interwar period did that turning point happen? From what I’ve read by the time WWII had started their influence was already very strong.

    • Replies:@Ron Unz
    @Yevardian


    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all.

    That seems reasonable. But the question is, when exactly in the interwar period did that turning point happen? From what I’ve read by the time WWII had started their influence was already very strong.
     
    I think it was mostly a continual process during the 1920s and 1930s.

    Remember, back in 1917, neither the film industry nor radio had any major media impact, but they steadily became more and more important over the next couple of decades, and both were overwhelmingly Jewish-dominated.

    The shifts in newspapers and magazines were less dramatic, but I do think that Jewish influence was far greater in the late 1930s than it had been a generation earlier, especially since so many of the established print publications went out of business during the Great Depression.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  • @Suetonious
    @Carney

    Do you understand the power of shaping public opinion, Carney? Do you remember the Maine? Public opinion is like a sea tide. When the tide of public opinion changes, it is extremely difficult to turn, at least in the short turn. This is, for instance, why mob justice is so dangerous. Public outcry can demand something, and once that demand is fulfilled there is no going back, even if evidence emerges that the outcry was based on a lie. If someone is lynched, and he is later proven innocent, that person cannot come back from the dead.

    Public opinion is so powerful, it can threaten to topple governments and force them to act against their own interests. We saw this in the Battle of Britain. After the relentless bombing of German cities, public outcry forced the German government to respond in kind, lest they appear as weak and a more hawkish government rides the public support into power. Some people think that a similar situation is happening in China. Xi must be militant in defense of Taiwan--more than he might otherwise choose--or else he will appear weak and risk losing his hold on power.

    Otherwise, Carney, great point. Skirmish was probably the wrong word. Thank you. Will be more precise in the future

    Replies: @Carney

    Thanks at least for your acceptance that “skirmish” was wild understatement. It’s too rare in these online arguments for anyone to concede even the smallest matter, and your doing so adds greatly to your credibility.

    And I understand your point that of course the press can shape public opinion and therefore indirectly or at at least one point of removal pressure or even effectively compel governments.

    But my point was that czarist Russia was not such a nation or government.

    Firstly and most importantly, it was an autocracy, literally, self-described as such. In such a system, only the opinion of one man — the czar — mattered. There was no elected legislature, no politicians fearful of losing their seats due to public disapproval.

    Secondly, Russia had no freedom of the press at all. While the nations and empires of central and western Europe had some degree of press censorship, they still allowed substantial and even harsh criticism of their governments. This was not at all true in Russia. Furthermore, the notion that a Russia at war would have allowed Jewish newspapers to publish false or exaggerated articles with the visible intent of undermining the war effort or even the regime is LUDICROUS.

    Thirdly, even if the regime HAD allowed such a thing, the public of the Russian Empire was mostly illiterate! As late as 1917, male literacy was still under 40% and female literacy only about one-eighth. And they were if anything murderously hostile to Jews. The vast majority of Russia’s population was deeply conservative rural peasantry, and those who migrated to become town-dwellers and were more literate were actually the source of most of the pogroms, for example reacting angrily to defacement of the czar’s image, and to the proclamation of the 1905 constitution. To the extent that the rural masses took revolutionary action, it was merely of a local character, based on ignorance, illiteracy, and misunderstanding of the czar’s 1905 proclamation as somehow allowing for dispossession of local landlords (so they thought they were obeying the czar!) and there was a short-lived wave of local mobs storming and looting manor houses. As de stabilizing as that was, it in no way constituted Jews manipulating the masses.

    • Replies:@Suetonious
    @Carney

    Tsar Nicholas II was an autocrat, but not quite a micromanager. For 25 years, up to the end of the Russo-Japanese War, Konstantin Pobedonostsev was the Procurator, who oversaw the censorship department. He served under three tsars at a time when the Russian Empire was constantly threatened by internal revolutaries and anarchists. Pobedonostsev would have loved to have had the kind of power and control that you describe, and he did for a short time following the assassination of Alexander II, but the Empire was gradually liberalizing. An attempt was being made to appease the dissidents, as Imperial Russia was a global power and was reluctant to enact harsh policies that would distance itself from its peers in Western Europe. Perhaps, too, the tsars really believed the faith they professed and chose mercy over justice.

    Much of the dissident element was Jewish, as they were the ideological leaders of the radical movement. Solzhenitsyn explains this in his book. Socialism was on the rise and some ethnic Russians were persuaded that they needed a modern form of representative government. This was especially true in the industrial cities of western Russia, where literacy rates were higher than in the Asiatic steppes. The 1905 Revolution was largely fought in these cities, particularly in St Petersburg.

    There was a Judaic influence in newspapers that misrepresented the war situation against Japan, which caused support for the war to collapse. Newspapers had their own printing presses, and they risked getting shutdown by printing stories detrimental to the Church or State, but there was not sufficient oversight to vet every headline before publication. Russian could have continued to fight, and possibly win, but problems on the home front forced Tsar Nicholas II to sue for peace. This also brought the downfall of Pobedonostsev, who died soon thereafter. And the Germans watched all of these events unfold.

    Replies: @Carney

  • @Iris
    @L.K

    Awww, the Khazar Sleeping Beauty is back from her long nap, displaying her precious insight about secret events going over a century back.

    But what about your "insightful" claims from a few months back, about the Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?

    With circa 400,000 Ukrainian military having died so far, and Zelensky now so desperate as to publicly make the bizarre claim that therenever was any Ukrainian offensive and that it was just a smokescreen, how has your "learned" forecasts fared?

    I can't wait to read your "insightful" spin on the topic.

    Replies: @L.K

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia’s violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel’s crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won’t check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi’s pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this ‘Khazar’ here is:
    – of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    – fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    – highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    – a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I’m a harsh critic of both World War ‘histories’ more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    – a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I’m going along with your ridiculous ‘nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings’, since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .

    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?

    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don’t you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    • Thanks:Wizard of Oz
    • Replies:@Wokechoke
    @L.K

    The Jew King of Kiev got 600,000 Ukies killed.

    ,@mulga mumblebrain
    @L.K

    Well, you're lying by the second paragraph, so what should we make of you? Then you assert stuff that I fully agree with, but end with crap again. But I'm biased, like the rest of us. Russia's slow motion destruction of Banderite Ukraine is a great success, as it is also destroying Europe, but the cost in life among the Ukrainians is hideous. Russia had NO choice as the Banderites and the EU proved themselves so dishonest and treacherous re. Minsk I & II.

    ,@Truth Vigilante
    @L.K

    L.K (aka Likely Khazarian) says this in his response to Iris:


    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won’t check the record of my posts here at Unz.
     
    Well L.K, I'm very familiar with your previous commentary on the Ukraine proxy war and some other issues, and Iris is bang on target in his/her assessment of you.
    You are indeed one of the most intellectually dishonest people in the UR commentariat.
    I don't know for sure if you're an Israeli or a rabid Zionist, but you're at the very least someone in the mould of a shabbos goy like Lindsey Graham. ie: someone propagating disinfo on behalf of their Talmudic patrons.
    ,@24th Alabama
    @L.K

    Following your strange logic to its conclusion, Russia should not be threatened
    by an American satellite on its border, and the U.S. would tolerate Canada
    becoming a base for Russian missiles.

    The above argument makes sense because you are anti-Zionist,
    or more likely just shafted in the head.

    Replies: @L.K

    ,@Iris
    @L.K

    LOL, reacting like a self-centred prima donna drama queen is so typical of narcissistic Khazars; thanks for the confirmation. It does nothing to enhance your intellectual credibility either.

    But let's talk about the topics of general interest, instead of talking about you, you and again you:

    1) First, the Ukraine.
    A few months back, you, alongside your supporter posting under "Twinkie", discarded MacGregor because, as you repeat, he "failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions". His forecast under discussion was essentially the KIA ratio between Ukrainians and Russian, a figure that MacGregor I think believed to be in the order of 1 to 7 in favour of Russia.

    Well, what isreallyridiculous is that those, like you, who got 95% of their Ukraine forecast wrong, dare to criticise those like MacGregor who on the contrary got his right at 95%.

    The most important thing MacGregor got wrong was the winter weather; ha-ha-ha. As if anybody could have known...
    But more importantly, he was strong and decisive enough to state at a very early stage of the Ukraine senseless massacre that a 40-million strong country stood very little chances against a 147-million one, which also quickly turned up to be the major military industry powerhouse the West wasn't anymore.

    MacGregor had all the important points right: Russia's long preparation, her seemingly infinite industrial power, and her unsurpassed mastery of modern combined armed techniques.

    The Ukraine and its third army are destroyed; there will be no other "counter-offensive". The only question is how long before western Ukraine collapses under her own dead weight, which is what Putin-the- Judoka is patiently waiting for. Ukraine is ruined; the EU cannot economically pick her up, as she is herself on her way down to economic Armageddon, too.

    MacGregor should be praised for having stated the obvious truth about Ukraine: she should have made the decision to save herself, instead of being instrumentalised, used as a proxy kamikaze batting ram by the US to attack Russia. Any ethical person would understand that, why don't you? Because your real wish is the destruction of Russia, while pretending to care about the Ukraine?

    2) Second, Israel.
    Your claimed support to the Palestinians, coupled with a strong opposition to Russia, is a fascinating combination. Fascinating for the retards who don't see the contradiction, that is.

    In which imaginary world can Palestine survive and thrive, if noother superpower can oppose its might to that of Israel and America? Maybe this is possible in the obfuscation and smokescreen fantasy world set up by the Israeli "ant-Zionists", but it is not possible in the real world.

    To survive and be respected, smaller nations need a balance of power to exist between mightier superpowers; any affirmation of the contrary is Talmudic pilpul.

    3) Finally, commenting etiquette.
    You were the first to violently insult me, to my extrem surprise, completely out of the blue, and you continued today.
    Since I have had exactlyZERO interactions with you in the past, it was logical to conclude that your seemingly irrational hatred had an obscure rational cause, and that any such interaction would have occurred while you were using a sock puppet.
    So don't call me a liar just because YOU are poor at keeping tabs on people you insult, and forget which pseudonymic handle you used to abuse them

    Replies: @L.K

  • @Ron Unz
    @Tiptoethrutulips


    Ok, but whether bluffing, or not, aren’t they still influencing or directing American foreign policy for nefarious gains? A poker game can be won with a bluff, yes?

    I found all sorts of propaganda printed in American newspapers during WW1 about evil Germans killing infants, raping women, etc.
     
    The problem is that you're just totally confused.

    During the WWI era, Jews had relatively limited control over the American media, and Zionist Jews virtually none at all. Anyway, the Jews were overwhelminglyagainst American military involvement, just like the Irish-Americans and German-Americans.

    Meanwhile, the WASP bankers and industrialists were desperate to get America involved in the war in order to ensure an Allied victory and the likelihood that their enormous war-loans would be repaid. From what I've read, they bought up or bribed as many of the newspapers as they could in order to support American military intervention.

    Neither the Jews nor certainly the small number of Zionist Jews had anything to do with this.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @Been_there_done_that, @Jim Johnson, @L.K, @Yevardian

    Ron, check this out.
    TANTURA – ISRAELI DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE TANTURA VILLAGE MASSACRE, 1948 War.
    Tantura was a Palestinian village where Zionist forces committed war crimes, just one of the many dozens of massacres carried out during the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 48.

    Former Zionist soldiers who took part in the massacre, old men now, talk about the crimes. Some talk about murder and rape while smiling/laughing.

    When we see what Israel is doing right now in Gaza, what they have always done, since even before the war of 1948, it makes one think; the way they demonize their enemies as terrorists and monsters, whether Palestinians or others, tells us much more about themselves than anything else.

    Video Link

    Video Link

  • @Kali
    @Fran Taubman


    John wear likes to compare what happened to the rounding up and ghettoizing of the Jews to what happened to the American Japanese put in camps here
     
    Hmm, maybe a better comparison would be the jew-states creation of the Gaza ghetto in which over two million innocents have been caged, shot, harassed and tortured for the last twenty years, for the "crime" of being Palestinian and refusing to leave their homeland to an obviously psychopathic tribe of incomers.

    Tangentially Fran, during all of those conversations earlier this year about your holocaustian belief system you expressed great sympathy for the alleged victims of the alleged holocaust... you remember? Remember all those photo's you shared of well-fed, well clothed jewish kiddies on their way, as you claimed, to certain death? Your intent was obviously to elicit our sympathy and prick our consciences.

    So now I'm wondering just exactly how much sympathy you have for the children of Gaza. - Are you one of the brave jews speaking out against this genocide and demanding a ceasefire, or are you cheering the slaughter on, alongside the likes of meamjojo?

    Yours truly,
    Kali.

    Replies: @Michael Korn, @Wokechoke

    There are around 160 minors of Palestinian identity in Israeli jails. Approx 6,000 inmates.

    • Thanks:Kali
  • @Been_there_done_that
    @Ron Unz

    In reference to so-called "WASP bankers and industrialists":


    From what I’ve read, they bought up or bribed as many of the newspapers as they could in order to support American military intervention.
     
    This appears to be yet another hand-waving argument that derives from dubious premises and provides no specific corroboration or citation.

    First, that their loans to Britain would not be repaid if Britain were to have lost the war. On the contrary, this would have provided an opportunity to take possession of valuable assets (land and companies) and purchase additional productive resources at rock-bottom prices, to attain even more wealth in the future.

    Second, that these unnamed "WASP bankers and industrialists" were independent of the Rothschild banking cartel. For instance, based on the history of their establishment, such names as Morgan, Peabody, Brown, Harriman, were intertwined with the London-based Rothschild interests, as described in a revealing book by Mullins. Rothschild was an early promotor of Zionist agricultural settlements as early as during the 19th century, in the northern Galilee plateau, such as Rosh Pinna, east of the mountain village of Safed/Zfat.

    Eustace Mullins
    The Secrets of The Federal Reserve
    (1983 Updated Edition)

    Chapter Five – The House of Rothschild

    https://famguardian.org/PublishedAuthors/Indiv/MullinsEustice/SecretsOfFedReserve/Ch05.htm
     
    As I have shown, above (November 18, 2023 at 11:59 am GMT – Comment #502), the available margin of time for any newspapers purportedly "bought up or bribed" (another supposition) to publicly promote and endorse taking the country to war was so short, that it is implausible this had actually occurred and would therefore require compelling proof that I have yet to see.

    Unless convincing evidence is presented to disprove Benjamin Freedman's presentation, essentially verified above by the quoted account referring to the Armenian James Malcolm, it must be understood and accepted that the US population was bamboozled into World War 1 due primarily to Zionist inspired considerations, represented through the influence of Justice Brandeis upon President Wilson. In today's parlance such activism would be called "treasonous".

    The Balfour Declaration was thus a reward for this nefarious effort while also serving as an inspiration for the future post-war US delegation of advisors to set strict demands in subsequent peace agreements, with the intent of consolidating Zionist aspirations, as embraced especially by the Rothschild family.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rumpelstiltskin, @Ron Unz

    I mostly agree, but think that Morgan deserves as much, probably more, credit than Brandeis given he was likely far more powerful. But as you say, I believe Morgan too was a Rothschild man. The following is from MacGregor & Docherty’sProlonging the Agony (bold added):

    Be certain; J.P. Morgan and his associates sat in the driving seat and carried American public opinion towards the slaughterhouse of a world war … in order to protect their obscene profiteering. Taking America to war was not a forgone conclusion, even though the Germans had given up any hope of equal-handed neutrality. The people had to be manipulated.

    The crucial factor lay at the heart of Wall Street where the money power decided that the time to abandon the illusion of neutrality had come. America had to go to war or their losses would have broken the back of the economy. Though fact, it has been vehemently denied ever since. Typical of this attitude is the claim from the American historian Charles Tansill: 57

    There is not the slightest evidence that during the hundred days that preceded America’s entry to the World War the President gave any heed to the demands from “big business” that America intervene in order to save investments that were threatened by possible Allied defeat.58

    What nonsense. America’s economy was inextricably linked to an Allied victory. Had the British and French been forced to come to terms with Germany after 1917, potential losses would have been catastrophic. And in April 1917 Wall Street was aware that the balance of forces in Europe had suddenly swung in favor of the Kaiser when his cousin the Czar was deposed.Thomas W. Lamont, of Morgan Bank, estimated that half a million Americans, many from the wealthy and influential east coast establishment, had invested in loans to the Allies.59″

    “Consider what had happened.J.P. Morgan spent the first two years of the war using his banking and financial associates to sell British securities on the American market and spend the money on the weapons of war and all its accessories in America. His agents controlled the orders for steel and armaments, for cotton, wheat and meat, for the transportation of these goods across the Americas and the maritime fleets that crossed the oceans. A single example of what this actually meant can be gleaned from the post-war investigation set up under Congressional Investigation into the munitions industry in 1934. The du Pont company admitted that J.P. Morgan & Co. acted as agents, under sales contracts aggregating $351,259,813.28, which accounted for almost 72% of the total military business carried out for the British and French governments during the war. At a mere 1% commission, Morgan made a profit of $3,512,598, from that alone.64

    Once America abandoned its sham neutrality, Morgan became the prime agent for Wilson’s government at war. Loans which he had issued and underwritten on behalf of the Allies were guaranteed by the State. It was now impossible for his banks to lose money. The American economy continued to flourish. The British and French tax-payer would eventually be required to repay their debts. It was as if he was a Rothschild. Indeed. The reader might well ask: where were the Rothschilds?

    Let the record show that the Rothschilds remained where they always were; at the center of the money-power, though not necessarily under their own name.J.P. Morgan’s personal affiliation with the House of Rothschild dated back to 1899, from which point he represented Rothschild interests in the United States.65 The first telegrams of the war sent to Morgan & Co. in New York, were from Rothschild Freres in Paris on 3 August 1914.”

    • Replies:@Truth Vigilante
    @Rumpelstiltskin

    You wrote:


    J.P. Morgan’s personal affiliation with the House of Rothschild dated back to 1899, from which point he represented Rothschild interests in the United States
     
    In fact, John Pierpont Morgan's affiliation with the Rothschild dominated Bank of England go back much further than that.
    The following is from the Wikipedia entries for both J.P. Morgan and his father Junius Spencer Morgan:

    After studying at Göttingen and thus completing his education, J.P. Morgan went to London in August 1857 to join his father [Junius], now a partner in the merchant banking firm George Peabody & Co.
    For the next fourteen years, he worked as his father's American representative in a series of affiliate banking houses, learning the trade and lifestyle of a bank partner: Duncan, Sherman & Company (1858–60), his own firm J. Pierpont Morgan & Co. (1860–64), and finally Dabney Morgan (1864–72).

    The railway boom ended in 1857 and prices collapsed, leading to rumours in London that Peabody & Co. was on the verge of failure.
    Some of Peabody's largest clients suspended business or failed entirely, and Duncan Sherman was unable to pay its remittances without assistance. Some of Peabody's own creditors, including rival Barings Bank, demanded immediate payment on their debts.

    Peabody declined a conditional bailout from the major London houses which would have closed the firm, instead receiving an emergency line of credit of £800,000 from the Bank of England.
     
    So there it is. The Rothschild controlled Bank of England came to the rescue of J.P. Morgan's father. From that moment onwards, the Morgan's were indebted to their magnanimous Jewish patrons and would secure their interests in the U.S.

    We also have this incident of financial chicanery from J.P. Morgan early on during the Civil War (likely done on behalf of his Rothschild benefactor who sought to destabilise the Union and ensure a Confederate victory):

    Morgan also profited in gold after specie payments were suspended in 1862; its price was largely pegged to the possibility of a Union victory.
    In October 1863, he and Edward B. Ketchum transferred $1.15 million (equivalent to $20,287,000 in 2021) in gold to England, forcing a price spike and allowing both men to sell their holdings at a large profit.
    Critics have long considered the deal a speculative effort to corner the American gold market and evidence of Morgan's insensitivity to the nation's financial situation, although the economic consequences were ultimately minor.
     
    So clearly J.P. Morgan was not working in the best interests of his own nation. Instead, he was doing deals that benefitted his Rothschild patrons - and America be damned.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

  • @Jim Johnson
    @Avery

    you are completely deluded. you didn't even realize I was mocking you when I said I'd never write for this ridiculous website. You seriously thought I was being serious.

    And you cannot even read: I said Russia is just as defeated as Ukraine. Russia hasn't achieved anything in Ukraine in almost two years. The US can continue this war for many years if they want to and Russia is stuck.

    Look, you are just some deluded fanboy of Ritter, Macgregor and Unz. You have wasted your life. I've just come here for the shits and giggles.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Russia is stuck, in a province of ….Russia.

  • @L.K
    @Ron Unz

    I used to have more faith in the notion that the Zionists had been the ones mostly responsible for dragging the US into the Great War. No longer is this the case. Just the other day I was reading a book, I think it might have been volume I of Alan Hart's excellent Zionism trilogy... anyways, the early Zionists often exaggerated their influence to get traction for their project. For instance; they would approach the Ottoman Turkish government with promises of getting their foreign debt written off and other stuff, which they actually could not do. The Turks listened but were not convinced.
    As for the US' s entry into the war, it seems to have been mostly due to the efforts of the British lobby and of America's own economic interests.
    In the book 'Nothing Less Than War: A New History of America's Entry into World War I', the US professor/historian, Justus Doenecke, writes:


    In 1936 historian Charles A. Beard wrote The Devil Theory of War, based on a series of articles he had written for the New Republic. The Columbia historian, prowar in 1917, showed himself fiercely anti-interventionist two decades later.He aptly argued that only radical changes in America’s economic system, centering on the necessity of absorbing industrial and agricultural surpluses at home, could have served as an alternative policy. Rather than blame bankers, “politicians,” and munitions-makers, as many opinion leaders of his time were doing, Beard found the American public, focused on the desire to export its products, bearing ultimate responsibility.1 He titled one chapter “War Is Our Own Work.”
     
    In 'America's Greatest Blunder', US scholar Burton Yale Pines argues that:


    Yet mediation’s failure, the exposure of German spies and the fall of Russian Tsardom, even all together, would not have propelled America into war in spring 1917. Of much greater, determining weight were three other factors:
    *The first was the mounting economic dependence of a now prospering America on sales to Britain, France and Russia. The war was spiking American exports, which soared from $691 million in 1913 to $4.333 billion for the twelve months ending June 1916, the vast bulk of this heading for Allied ports. Simply put, many influential Americans were concluding that the nation’s economy could not survive an Allied defeat or even setback.
    * A second was the so-called “Preparedness Movement,” launched right after the war began. Mainly an ad hoc, volunteer affair, it sought to bolster the nation’s anemic military by training citizens to fight and by increasing defense spending—just in case America found itself at war. As preparedness advocates stumped the country and paraded in cities pleading for readiness and a bigger army and navy, indirectly they were making the case for and winning converts to the necessity of America joining the war.
    * Last, and the most significant factor in the immediate sense, was Germany’s expansion of submarine warfare. [...]
     

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @Been_there_done_that, @Iris, @Mark Hunter

    Awww, the Khazar Sleeping Beauty is back from her long nap, displaying her precious insight about secret events going over a century back.

    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months back, about the Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?

    With circa 400,000 Ukrainian military having died so far, and Zelensky now so desperate as to publicly make the bizarre claim that therenever was any Ukrainian offensive and that it was just a smokescreen, how has your “learned” forecasts fared?

    I can’t wait to read your “insightful” spin on the topic.

    • Agree:Avery
    • Replies:@L.K
    @Iris

    I have to admit that it is funny and, at the same time, a bit creepy to notice how I live rent-free in your corrupt little brain.
    You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people posting regularly at Unz.
    You have ridiculously accused me of being an Israeli and a Zionist, merely for not being a Russian bootlicker & propagandist such as yourself and daring to condemn Russia's violation of international law as it invaded Ukraine again in early 22. In fact, when Russia first invaded Ukraine and illegally annexed Crimea, I myself tried to justify what the Russians had done right here at Unz. There is a record of that, you know, stupid? But I realized I was in error, since one cannot support international law, as I do, selectively, as you do, and not be a hypocrite. So I reassessed my position. Since I am on record, here at Unz and elsewhere, denouncing Israel's crimes, including taking foreign land by force, be it Palestinian, Lebanese, or Syrian, or US criminal invasions and proxy wars, I cannot condone what Russia has done.

    You have lied about me many times because you wish to character-assassinate me, counting on the fact that most people won't check the record of my posts here at Unz. I started before you did, if memory serves, posting predominantly under Giraldi's pieces. In the last few years, life, time constraints and a decision to waste less of whatever free time I get have made me comment only very rarely.
    From the record of my posts, folks would learn that this 'Khazar' here is:
    - of mixed German and Italian ethnicity.
    -100% against Zionism and Israel, which I have stated should not have been created at all.
    - fully supportive of the Palestinian people, including their rights to armed resistance.
    I am also a fan of Lebanese Hezbollah and its Secretary General, at this point, he is perhaps the only politician I hold in high regard.
    - highly critical of Jewish power in general.
    - a harsh critic of the so-called Jewish holocaust story, which I have denounced many times as being largely atrocity propaganda concocted by the Allies and the Jews. In fact, I'm a harsh critic of both World War 'histories' more broadly; in both cases, one gets a lot more biased propaganda than scientific history.
    - a critic of the official 9/11 story, but more importantly, of how the many Zionist footprints at the crime scene have been almost entirely ignored. Of course, that does not mean I'm going along with your ridiculous 'nuclear bombs destroyed the WTC buildings', since this is just disinfo to make 9/11 skeptics look like a bunch of cranks, which pisses you off further
    .


    But what about your “insightful” claims from a few months ago about Ukraine winning and Russia losing the war?
     
    I made no such claims, you little pissant. As usual, you simply lie and make things up.
    I did say Douglas McGregor had failed miserably in his ridiculous predictions, and that is the statement of a fact. I also made the simple point that this protracted war was clearly not what the Russian leadership had anticipated, so instead of a couple of weeks at most, we are observing this nearly 2 year bloody mess. The last large-scale Russian winter/spring offensive failed, and so did the Ukrainian summer offensive, which I felt had little chance of success. Feel free to believe the Ukrainians have lost 400 K KIA; that is, of course, what you wish for, not fact. Why not go for a million? It is not like you care about truth at all. I also told Unz that if Ukraine loses, whatever and however that is defined, that would be the safest bet since Russia is substantially stronger.
    Bye-bye, loser.
    PS: Don't you have anything better to do with your pathetic life than stalk unknown people on the Internet? Well, I guess not. Happy stalking, cuckoo!

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @mulga mumblebrain, @Truth Vigilante, @24th Alabama, @Iris

  • @Kali
    @Fran Taubman


    John wear likes to compare what happened to the rounding up and ghettoizing of the Jews to what happened to the American Japanese put in camps here
     
    Hmm, maybe a better comparison would be the jew-states creation of the Gaza ghetto in which over two million innocents have been caged, shot, harassed and tortured for the last twenty years, for the "crime" of being Palestinian and refusing to leave their homeland to an obviously psychopathic tribe of incomers.

    Tangentially Fran, during all of those conversations earlier this year about your holocaustian belief system you expressed great sympathy for the alleged victims of the alleged holocaust... you remember? Remember all those photo's you shared of well-fed, well clothed jewish kiddies on their way, as you claimed, to certain death? Your intent was obviously to elicit our sympathy and prick our consciences.

    So now I'm wondering just exactly how much sympathy you have for the children of Gaza. - Are you one of the brave jews speaking out against this genocide and demanding a ceasefire, or are you cheering the slaughter on, alongside the likes of meamjojo?

    Yours truly,
    Kali.

    Replies: @Michael Korn, @Wokechoke

    No Jews show compassion for the Palestinians because they view them as subhuman. They also think that God is a real estate agent and they are entitled to every square inch of the Holy land. Even Jews like Fran who don’t seem to practice the religion and might not believe in God. They think that that Jews are a racial construct and that God is a racist creator.

  • @Fran Taubman
    @Ron Unz

    All of these Neo Nazi Revisionist love, just love to claim that the mighty Jews started the wars. The Jews declared war on Germany via a newspaper clipping of a group of Jews calling for a boycott of Germany, viola the Jews became the visceral hated enemy of Germany as a pretext for ghettoizing Jews not only Germany, but all the occupied countries, with zero jurisprudence the Germans stripped the Jews of their citizenship, stole their property, land, and all their possessions. That is the revisionist rational that the Jews were this mighty sovereign state with a standing army, threatening Germany.

    The Jews were neither powerful or especially influential in Anglo countries. If they were so awesome. the mighty ruling communist, the mighty ruling capitalist, the supreme leaders pulling the puppet strings of the world, manipulating wars, how come they could not save themselves from the fate that fell on them? There were no Jews left in any of the occupied German countries. None.

    There you have the start of Holocaust denial, and the reason the Jews were so vilified. Ironically these revisionist deny the deliberate murder of the Jewish men, women and children, but oh btw they sure did deceiver it. Although it never really happened.

    John wear likes to compare what happened to the rounding up and ghettoizing of the Jews to what happened to the American Japanese put in camps here in the US. Japan was a country at war with the US. The Jews never had a country until Israel, and that is the reason why there is a Jewish country. Tired of being the scape goat for everything in the universe.

    You have to admit being the biggest communist along with the biggest capitalist as twin evils is a lot to take in, for a population of 15 million world wide.

    Replies: @24th Alabama, @mulga mumblebrain, @Kali, @Kali

    John wear likes to compare what happened to the rounding up and ghettoizing of the Jews to what happened to the American Japanese put in camps here

    Hmm, maybe a better comparison would be the jew-states creation of the Gaza ghetto in which over two million innocents have been caged, shot, harassed and tortured for the last twenty years, for the “crime” of being Palestinian and refusing to leave their homeland to an obviously psychopathic tribe of incomers.

    Tangentially Fran, during all of those conversations earlier this year about your holocaustian belief system you expressed great sympathy for the alleged victims of the alleged holocaust… you remember? Remember all those photo’s you shared of well-fed, well clothed jewish kiddies on their way, as you claimed, to certain death? Your intent was obviously to elicit our sympathy and prick our consciences.

    So now I’m wondering just exactly how much sympathy you have for the children of Gaza. – Are you one of the brave jews speaking out against this genocide and demanding a ceasefire, or are you cheering the slaughter on, alongside the likes of meamjojo?

    Yours truly,
    Kali.

    • Agree:Brewer
    • Replies:@Michael Korn
    @Kali

    No Jews show compassion for the Palestinians because they view them as subhuman. They also think that God is a real estate agent and they are entitled to every square inch of the Holy land. Even Jews like Fran who don't seem to practice the religion and might not believe in God. They think that that Jews are a racial construct and that God is a racist creator.

    ,@Wokechoke
    @Kali

    There are around 160 minors of Palestinian identity in Israeli jails. Approx 6,000 inmates.


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