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The more prosperous a society becomes the more the less evolved can survive and reproduce causing the society to regress.

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Which side do you think has the better case? If submitted to a court of law, who would win?

OK, quick answer. That Trump business means I have some work to do on house maintenance.

1) Judging from the article “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabah “. heading “Territorial Disputes”, and the article ”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Borneo_dispute “, in which the 1879 meaning of ” pajakkan ” was contested.

2)https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/07/1072364/malaysia-submits-diplomatic-note-un-reject-philippines-bid-claim-seabed suggests that Malaysia is trying to retain legal control, hence oil and gas drilling rights, for the continental shelf that connects Malaysia with the Philippines, and apparently this involves (1), above.

OK, so legal settlement would be better than even a small war. However, it appears that Sabah is really a problem in the making ( “Sabah-based NGOs estimate that out of the 3 million that make up the population of Sabah, 2 million are illegal immigrants” ). It isn’t clear that drilling rights are worth more than the potential civil problems inherent in Sabah sovereignty. If I had Sabah, I’d be interested in unloading it on somebody else, drilling rights or no drilling rights. The Philippines in particular should be wary of establishing an outpost on the mainland, especially an unstable outpost.

As for the legal aspect, I suspect that there isn’t any. The legal history referred to above is, IMHO, best viewed as a demonstration that legal rights and coin flips have a lot in common. The problem is that when the law is perceived as a very expensive and time consuming coin flip, or even as a cheap and quick injustice, law no longer surprises violence.

This must seem an evasion, and it partly is. It’s also a statement that, yes, the US should not be involved.

The futility of going to law for hard cases has been a literary theme:

https://allpoetry.com/The-Benefit-Of-Going-To-Law
https://www.literature.org/authors/carroll-lewis/the-hunting-of-the-snark/fit-06.html

Second subject: Generalized “rumor control” scenario reaches the media.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/four-factions-vying-control-america

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/massive-secret-service-failure-led-nearly-successful-assassination-donald-trump

I’ve read the Wikipedia summary of the Sabah affair.

Which side do you think has the better case? If submitted to a court of law, who would win?
I of course already have my opinion. I am just interested in what other people think about it.

I sincerely hope that you have better luck with PRC than did Hong Kong and Shanghai.

These are perhaps not the best examples, because they were forcibly taken from China.

Even the HK case, a lot of info is left out in the Western MSM’s narrative on it.
Here is a 6 minute video of a former Singapore Foreign Minister (Secretary of State) speaking about Hongkong. You can start at the 2:00 mark to skip the long winded question.

Video Link
Incidentally, the HK Riots were a turning point in SE Asia’s view of the US. We had historically been largely supportive of the US and suspicious of China. But during the HK Riots, it became clear to us that the US was behind the trouble, and the Western MSM was the primary instrument of trouble making. I can describe it more, if you are interested, but will not bore you now.

And who is suppressing piracy? Who is somehow stopping Iran from having its proxy, the Houthi, half closing the Suez Canal? For that matter, who is either stopping the resource war for land in Israel/Gaza or letting the war burn out on its own?

Nobody, that’s who. The action is toward ending a failed US suzerainty, with no apparent plan or even discussion for what happens after the US suzerainty fails.

Oh, I do not think that things are as chaotic as it seems. I believe there is a plan at work here.

But unfortunately I will be traveling later and need to prepare. So I won’t checking onto UR for a few days. The rest of my reply will come after I return.

I think just by surviving the assassination attempt, Trump has virtually guaranteed his re-election.

Gahn Wilson, 1953 cartoon,New Yorker

I’m not so sure. Consider the “Rumor Control” scenario. Nothing about the assassination attempt on Trump affects that scenario. First an attack (most likely in October, the traditional time for a political “surprise” before the Presidential election. Then the US Federal government calls off the election, partly due to the attack, partly because they say that (somehow) Trump had something to do with the attack. If nobody believes them, that will affect nothing important, since calling off the Presidential election after an attack would destabilize the US Federal government in any case.

The above paragraph does not mean that Rumor Control is correct. It just means that a destabilized US Federal Government remains a possibility, even after the attempted assassination of Trump.

Again,Anatomy of a Revolution points out that Western revolutions are a process that is difficult to stop. Brinton’s thesis seems to be that Western revolutions are a pursuit of utopia. They require that the current situation be unsatisfactory, and that there is a clear path to something much better, a hazy land systematic perfection such as Rousseau described. In the US case case, the utopia is clear leadership to end specific abuses, and anything that promises to end the abuses will nucleate revolution. Had Trump fallen, somebody “picking up the flag and yelling ‘onward!’ ” would have been enough to keep MAGA going, although not enough to stop a planned attack or to keep an election from being canceled (should such events happen to be in the planning stage somehow).

From early reports and photos, the bullet went through top of the “superior crus”, of Trump’s right ear. That is about as close a call as anybody can get.

I think just by surviving the assassination attempt, Trump has virtually guaranteed his re-election. Barring a more competent shooter the next time of course.

How many cities can do that? (rhetorical question).

Oh, by no means do I think that a world made up of city states is realistic. As long mankind resorts to force or worse violence, this vision will never be feasible.

What I am saying, however, is that being small also has its advantages. This notion can be applied in infinite ways. For example if the USA returns to a state where the powers of the Federal Government is reduced, and the individual states take on much more power to rule themselves, it is already a step in this direction.

So while people may get all alarmed at the prospect of the breaking up of UK, or US etc etc, it may not necessarily be a bad thing.

US guarantee of “freedom of the trade routes” is no longer in effect.

This is delicate subject that is worth discussing.

Speaking not as an idealist, but as a realist…….The view of most of Southeast Asia is that the US “Freedom of Navigation” policy is really an excuse to contain their rival….China. The prevailing hope is that US would just stop stirring up trouble in the region.

Almost all countries in SE Asia are of that opinion, with the one glaring exception…the Philippines which was a former US colony, and is seen by the other SE Asian nations as a tool for the US.

The timing of the Philippines’ recent submission to UN obliquely claiming the Malaysian state of Sabah only reinforces this view. This submission to the UN comes from a decades long dispute that was never really pursued, but was brought to the forefront immediately after Malaysia announced its intention to join BRICS.

That is the overall picture in SE Asia. However Singapore has its own peculiar concerns in the region. Being so much smaller than our neighbours, Singapore sought a US naval presence here in the 1980s to deter our neighbours from gobbling us up.

But if the US would retreat from the region, it would be nothing new to us. At the birth of Singapore in the 1960s, the British (then the regional hegemon) abandoned us.

So if the US were to retreat from the region now, it is very probable that Singapore would seek similar protection from China instead.

Rott’s Chaos Pendulum

What an interesting video. Thanks.

Well, looks like the Zombie Apocalypses is kicking off ahead of time:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/14/what-we-know-about-trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/14/catastrophic-failure-secret-service-under-scrutiny-after-trump-assassination-attempt/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/07/13/cbss-brennan-some-gop-reaction-to-trump-shooting-will-raise-further-concern-of-violence/ ,
From early reports and photos, the bullet went through top of the “superior crus”, of Trump’s right ear. That is about as close a call as anybody can get.

This comes at a bad time, as shown by this analogy:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/roots-world-war-iii

And to top things off for the US:https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/measles-detected-nyc-migrant-shelter-bidens-border-crisis-morphs-public-health-crisis

OK back to your comments:

The system of independent cities (microstates) that you describe permitted many experiments in government to be run simultaneously, with one result being Golden Age Athens and the subsequent Greek role as the bureaucracy of the Roman (and then the Byzantine) Empire. The polis system paid off for the Classical Greeks right up until the Peloponnesian War (in part over trade routes) started the coalescence of poleis into cities within an empire.

So for me, the question isn’t so much whether a network of independent trading cities would pay off (it would), as it is how such a network could remain in existence. Certainly Singapore exists, but the price is that it has to act intelligently. How many cities can do that? (rhetorical question).

Certainly Singapore will have to be agile and smart now that the US guarantee of “freedom of the trade routes” is no longer in effect. The defining end of that guarantee was the withdrawal of the American aircraft carrier USN Eisenhower at about the time the Houthi claimed to have hypersonic missiles (https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-houthis-hypersonic-missile-is-a-game-changer-in-red-sea/ ). The US does not want the USN Eisenhower to be sunk, as that would make it clear to everybody just how useless carriers are in or near littoral regions, which regions include very many trade routes.

There things going on, that we still do not have the instruments to measure.
At the risk of sound like a real kook, I will admit that I do not believe the universe to be “chaotic”. I believe it to be magical. I do not believe that there are any mistakes, nor any accidents…..LOL

Now you will think that I am truly mad 😮

No, not really. Much of what was considered certain knowledge is now open to question: Consider: The universe is a bit more friendly to life than randomness would suggest is possible [1], humans understand more about nature than you would expect from an organism shaped by evolution on Earth [2], evolution itself proceeds a deal more quickly than it should [3], the highly unlikely formation of the Earth and the entire Solar System to produce a planet that can support life in a highly unusual planet/moon system in a highly unusual Solar system, the failure to find a foundation for mathematics [4]. Etc. Apparently 19th Century optimism about fundamental human understanding of the universe was not justified.

As far as “chaotic” goes, all I mean by that is that current measurements don’t predict future behavior to a useful degree. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZxdV2naw8
Video Link. In human affairs, the “chaotic domain” would have been the failure of military competition to maintain the European balance of power. Supposedly it was cheap steel and nitrate chemistry that enabled deployment of massive artillery and automatic weapons (machine guns) that drove Europe into the “chaotic domain” of the World War era. You can draw analogies to Alexander the Great, whose father reformed the phalanx system into a new form that was, literally, a world beater everywhere Alexander went. The resulting Empires put a definite end to an already faltering polis system.

A few comments on the China/India thread.

Did Vietnam “win” the frontier war against China? Nope. Officially China went into Vietnam to stop it from unilaterally changing the Sino-Vietnam border. So China didn’t “invade” Vietnam to win territories but to stop a specific behavior. Deng described it as “teaching Vietnam a lesson.” If I remember rightly some readers in a Hong Kong paper (TaKungPo?) predicted it would take a couple of weeks, and they were nearly correct – it lasted about 17 days, I think.

China took about four weeks to accomplish what Neville Maxwell described as “a crushing victory” at the Sino-Indian border (unlike Vietnam, Indian troops ignored the ceasefire in some places, probably because the high Himalayas prevented them from knowledge of the ceasefire). As for fear of the Soviet Union, at any time, that was silly: Chinese troops had a squabble at Chen-pao (Damansky) island with Soviet troops in 1969 – and handed over the intruders’ bodies to the Soviet side. Brezhnev screamed and threatened nuclear war. Why?

The Soviets never entered Chen-pao island again. After Gorbachev took power, the other islands on the Chinese half of the Amur River were handed over to China. China never forgot this gesture and from then on became a firm friend (so the present friendship with Russia has its roots earlier, before Putin emerged as Russia’s top honcho).

According to Hanoi, despite the short period, Chinese destruction at the conflict area was more thorough than what the Americans did in their years of bombing. What Hanoi left out was that most of the “destruction” were buildings and other infrastructure built by China for Vietnam during the “American War.” Excuses for the conflict by some obviously pro-Deng people was that China was angry at Vietnamese “ingratitude” for the aid given to Vietnam in the war against France and later against the US. But to many Chinese, whether in the mainland or overseas, Deng resorted to arms because 1) he wanted to please the Americans and 2) Vietnam took the Soviet side in the Sino-Soviet ideological dispute.

What was left unspeculated was Deng’s desire to undo any accomplishments by Mao, such as the close Sino-Vietnam friendship: Mao got China to undertake massive research for a cure in malaria that saved the lives of uncountable Vietnamese guerrillas fighting in their nation’s jungle. Also, apparently to strengthen Vietnam’s anti-aircraft defense, Mao gave Vietnam a whole island at the Beibu Gulf for better defense against American bombers.

Deng’s neglect of China’s military defense could also be attributed to the fact that the PLA was originally a peasant army trained by Mao at Jingganshan. It explained why the PLA – a people’s army – was cavalierly called out to intimidate the people at Tiananmen. The earliest protesters were workers who were not only poorly paid but many were laid off when State Owned Enterprises were privatized and sold to Party cronies. The injustices were rampant even after Tiananmen (remember the Foxconn workers who committed suicide by jumping off tall buildings). The consequences of pure capitalism were obvious – the huge increases in pollution, corruption, and inequality were not unexpected: they were common during Britain’s early days of industrialization. London’s air was once hardly breathable, the stench at the River Thames was said to have delayed or cancelled parliamentary sessions, and London was known as the whore capital of the world.

And China the newest whore country: I was in Kuala Lumpur when my nephew pointed out the long rows of Chinese prostitutes at Petaling Street.

Hu Jintao tried to ease the evils of pure capitalism but it took a decisive Xi Jinping to really attack corruption, clean up the air and rivers, and reduce inequality so that peasants could have livable lives, women could avoid prostitution, and “common prosperity” a possible, achievable goal. According to the perspicacious Eric Li (despite the propaganda of most Chinese news media) China’s young millennials know the faults of the recent past, and want real reform, not the “reform” that reminds older Chinese of a Shanghai that, like London was, a place of vast economic and hence social inequalities. But to convince the present Dengists still in the Chinese media, the educational institutions, and even in the CPC, a willingness to emancipate the mind is necessary. Only then can a really socialist China emerge.

Will continue later.

I like the variety of stuff you comment on, they are all relevant in interesting topics.

The UK also seems to be falling apart….Wales and the Orkneys

At the risk of sounding very contrarian, I see the breaking up of countries as a (long term) positive thing….LOL. I explain:

I happen to live in micro state / city-state. We have a population of about 5 million, of which about 3 million are citizens. Despite being so tiny, we have the full functions of any country…our own legislature, military, foreign service, etc etc.

For us, being a microstate was not our choice. We were forced into it. Initially we were fearful and there was little confidence that we would survive, let alone succeed. But over time, we have found that being small does have its advantages. We have learned to adapt to our small size, are pretty happy with the way things are.

So I may come across as a little biased when I say that I like the idea of big countries breaking up. Not out of malice, but because perhaps a idealistic utopian hope?

Because when I playfully dream and envisage a brighter future for mankind, what do I imagine? A more peaceful situation when large countries, and therefore large armies are no longer required to protect people from neighbouring countries….It would then be natural for smaller cities or regions to be the norm. Independent cities or small regions defining their own values and lifestyles. People are able to decide what lifestyle and ideals suit them, and migrate to the city that offers that. No need to have one-size-fits all laws that force the unwilling to obey them, rather free choice for all.

I know it all sounds terribly idealistic, but one can dream, right?

a Swiss start-up claims to be developing a commercially viable thorium salt reactor.

Things are moving fast on the thorium front. As I understand it, the Chinese already have a working thorium reactor being tested in a real world setting….I am not sure if it is commercially viable yet, or if the the commercially viable iteration is ready yet.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3224183/china-gives-green-light-nuclear-reactor-burns-thorium-fuel-could-power-country-20000-years

Nothing like Zeitgeist ( or “emergent properties” and “self synchronization” [2] or “Self organization” [3] or “self organizing criticality” [4] if you like those terms better ).

This is interesting….sounds like there is a link to phenomena such as “spooky action at a distance”? or “quantum entanglement”? There things going on, that we still do not have the instruments to measure.

At the risk of sound like a real kook, I will admit that I do not believe the universe to be “chaotic”. I believe it to be magical. I do not believe that there are any mistakes, nor any accidents…..LOL

Now you will think that I am truly mad 😮

Unfortunate that we’re in agreement here, considering what we’re in agreement over. China did manage to invade Vietnam after the US pulled out, so it can intervene in foreign affairs under some circumstances, but between your reasons for it not happening and the reasons I put forward, PRC intervention in the US probably won’t happen. Just as well, the mess is bad enough as things are.

The UK also seems to be falling apart:https://www.unz.com/article/electoral-secession-and-the-end-of-imperial-britain/ The parts about Wales and the Orkneys considering secession reminds me of an old National Lampoon headline:Cornwall Declares War on England! [1]. And the EU nations seem to be falling away from NATO, judging from the most recent elections (https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/ric-grenell-europe-parliamentary-elections/2024/06/10/id/1168217/ ).

You might findAnatomy of a Revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anatomy_of_Revolution ) interesting, since events seem to be following his outline. Read that and you can see patterns in the West before most people, which, of course, you’ve already done. Remember thatAnatomy‘s author, Crane Brinton, wrote in the 1930s (originally, he revised the book twice later), and that Brinton’s statement that “power passes by violent … methods from Right to Left” was written after Left had been being driven out of power in Europe by various Fascists from the English Channel to the USSR’s border, before being re-established post-WW II by the US and USSR. Brinton didn’t always get it right.

And on the other hand, a Swiss start-up claims to be developing a commercially viable thorium salt reactor.https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/how-a-swiss-start-up-wants-to-reinvent-nuclear-energy/47298052

Well, next stop is October, 2024/10. The West again acts uniformly, like the old time chorus girls except not so pretty. Nothing like Zeitgeist ( or “emergent properties” and “self synchronization” [2] or “Self organization” [3] or “self organizing criticality” [4] if you like those terms better ). Note that when properties of group elements are random (e.g. a processor that is an element of the system can be randomly running or broken) a self organizing system will be much more efficient than a centrally controlled system, so in biological systems (such as nations) self organizing would tend to dominate.

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1] “JFK’s 4000 days” issue.
2]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/ric-grenell-europe-parliamentary-elections/2024/06/10/id/1168217/
3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_VPRCtiUg
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3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNylKLZ2rc&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQ5JLTxL8mCze7QtBBEvlEQ
Video Link(This is directly related to the current situation.)
4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S83u_y3ZRYg&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQ5JLTxL8mCze7QtBBEvlEQ&index=5
Video Link;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnOkkC4QND8&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQ5JLTxL8mCze7QtBBEvlEQ&index=4
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I do not think the article overly far fetched. Indeed I think it, and what you have written has fair chance of occuring.

In fact, I saw it as a likely trend even before Trump was elected the first time. What I noticed was that the US had become fractured and people lived in opinion bubbles. There was no meaningful dialogue between the different sides. A kind of fracture of the state, or at least an intense violent resolution to that fracture could be anticipated….a new civil war.

What surprised me, was that the US has managed to hobble along till now.

The only remark I would make is regarding the participation of PRC in the future troubles about to occur in the US. I agree with you that China will NOT participate, but not for the reasons you stated.

I believe that its economic troubles are not as fatal as made out to be by Western press, or its shrinking population issues. These are all well manageable by the Chinese.

Why I think that China will NOT participate is because of their cultural psyche. They do not enjoy getting involved in other peoples’ affairs. They are essentially inward looking, but will interact with foreign cultures for the purposes of trade etc.

So if we discount Chinese and NATO participation, I think the new civil war will again be settled solely by “Americans” again…whatever that term means now/near future.

China and India got along just fine until the British showed up. Prior to that it was peace. China learned certain things from astronomy from India. It was also Indian monks that brought Buddhism to China. But after the Brits stole tea from China and planted in India and then used Indian opium to force into China the relationship had never been the same. The last is the British unilaterally drawn border that is causing the problem now

Just as a general comment:

I don’t agree with the idea that just because many of we Americans disagree with our country’s foreign policy (Neo-con, Anglo-Zionist etc.) that somehow we should then “cheerlead” Russia.

None of us want to live in Russia, not even expatriate Russians. Putin is a brute. Disagree with him and you’re in deep trouble.

Russia is a corrupt autocracy, and the idea that its leaders are big Christian believers is just plainnonsense.

Some of you need a wake-up call.

Just a bit more, then I quit this line of comments.

First, the media: This sort of article is very unusual in US discourse:
https://alt-market.us/trumps-return-get-ready-for-chaos-to-be-unleashed-and-blamed-on-you/

Second, local rumor control [1] consensus seems to be that there will be no 2024 election. The (1.5 plus or minus 0.5)*1o^7 unvetted immigrants admitted by Biden will contain an element about 10^ 4 hostiles who will conduct a Gazan type raid on US society. Its mission would be to demonstrate that US citizens in the continental US are vulnerable to terrorist raids. Why they would do this when similar measures failed in Israel is not entirely clear, but then the raids from Gaza to Israel were successors to decades of roughly similar raids in several countries with effects limited primarily to the Islamic population.

Or, perhaps, similar raids are conducted by PRC agents, these raids against infrastructure. These raids would be better targeted and more destructive, but the end result would be abandonment of urban areas sooner than would be the case under present trends.

Or, perhaps, both.

These attacks would cripple the US, but both would cause it to look inwards, to domestic policies that had permitted such attacks to happen. Frightened people support major revisions to prevent recurrence, so any- and every- thing could be changed.

In any case, rumor control continues with the assertion that the above raids result in a “postponement” of the 2024 election as the US reorganizes itself, quite possibly fissioning into two or three parts. Essentially, the fissioning would enable the US countryside to cut itself lose from the doomed urban areas, and (IMHO) would receive support from a surprisingly large part of the US business/military elite. (I mean, my God, renaming “Fort Bragg” to “Fort Freedom”. Why didn’t the naming commission compromise at “Fort Trotsky”[2] or “Fort Propaganda Term”? A military organization pays attention to symbolism and tradition, as that is all they have once the shooting starts and the casualties mount. See movie, “Hamburger Hill”, for how this works in the US Army (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v8aeyygv8
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The US Dollar would sharply decline in international trade under the above scenario, and the official Federal Government would find itself with loan repayments that could not be met. Business and military elites would find themselves without money to meet payroll, just as the USSR’s elites did, and some would flee to a fragment of the US that appeared to have better prospects and was able to entirely shed repayments due from the US Federal government, which is the urban based political establishment.

There is some fear that the urban based political establishment would ask for NATO or PRC troops, but IMHO logistic considerations (transport and supply) prohibit transfer of enough troops to make a difference. In any case, both NATO and PRC are in considerable trouble. NATO members would almost certainly have to become Russian Federation federates just to support their civil population, and would simply be unable to even consider sending troops to a US meat grinder. As for the PRC, it is at the tag end of a capital boom, has a demographic crash coming up ( so it can’t afford casualties in its military age young men), and is not set up to support an expeditionary force. Once in the US, the PRC troops would be dependent on unreliable logistics support from a bankrupt US Federal Government whose urban areas would require MOUT operations that are notorious for inflicting high casualties on all sides’ troops.

Note that the above is simply a report on local rumor control output that has been “gamed out” to show consequences of a “postponed” election, and not something that I advocate if only because it is very doubtful that I could live through it. Me, I’d prefer something a good deal more sedate. IMHO, canceling elections would be a very bad move, and I certainly hope it does not happen.

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1] “Rumor control” is a rhetorical device, a imaginary organization that controls dissemination of rumors. Attributing a story to “rumor control” implies that the story is widespread and may or may not be true, but should be considered as possible so as to prevent total surprise if it happens.

2] Since Trotsky set grand strategy for the victorious side in the Russian Civil War and was therefore in some sense a military man.

“The Indians, on the other hand, basically sit out WWII– much like the citizens of Britain’s African colonies did.”

Basically, yes, because there was no independent India at the time – it was still a British colony even in 1945, when the UN was formed. Indians did fight during WWII, but largely for their British masters in Europe. They were used by the British to fight but not to fraternize with British or other Europeans; apparently couldn’t even eat together at the same table with the whites. There were also small groups who were assisting the Japanese to attack India. Some of these brave Indians were caught in Singapore.

Busy – I’ll comment on what others here wrote on this thread later.

Then you can safely offer referenda to the Uyghurs and see how they vote.

I didn’t say the Uyghurs should secede or want to secede. I don’t know.

I’m saying they should get periodic binding referenda to choose that option if they wish.

Like many other peoples, e.g. the Maranao and other Muslim peoples of the southern part of the big island Mindanao, in the Philippines;

the Basques to vote on secession from Spain/France;

the Polish/Slovak/Hungarian people in far western ukraine to vote on whether to be independent or join their corresponding ethnic ancestral countries;

the christian and muslim halves of Nigeria to vote on becoming separate countries;

etc.

Let people decide whether voluntary negotiated separation into smaller countries is better than subjugation, resentment, civil strife, or violent revolution.

And I already said that the usa should afford such rights to peoples and states here. It’s not an idea to be considered for China and India alone.

“Most of it won’t be “ruled by whites.””

No, that is very different than being ruled by a non-white ruler, with non-white laws and customs (e.g. Muslim laws etc), which is what you are advocating for 10 of millions of Hans who are living in Xinjiang today. Furthermore, I PURPOSELY and SPECIFICALLY asked about whites being ruled by the “Native Americans” (whom whites’ ancestor genocided to almost extinction) not just by any non-whites, in order to test your reaction. Sounds like you don’t even want to acknowledge that thought.

“The young population of most States is already minority white european.”

So? Why should whites be the majority in all states, or in any states? It wasn’t that ways for several thousands years.

“Try again, anti-white bigot dumb fuck.”

I know my comment makes you angry. But have you given any thought before you open your big mouth on a topic that you know nothing about, like “China should…”, especially right after you advise that “Neither India and China should…?” It is such a blatant hypocrisy that makes my fingers itchy.

I know many whites complain about others being “anti-white”, but a little bit of self-reflection of your own actions would help you a lot. Hope you learn something today.

Kadyrov may have the dream of his descendants assuming power — perhaps peacefully in elections — once the Muslim population grows big enough.

On current trends of massive Turkic/Persian central asian immigration into the Russian Federation and sub-replacement slavic fertility … it’s not altogether an outlandish proposition.

Thanks for a thoughtful response. I hope your family will prepare similarly and be ready to get the heck out.

Kids won’t need to send for us. We already spend half the year abroad, mostly in Mexico, and we plan to sell our US house and buy modest homes in Mexico and South America. Soon.

Good luck and God bless you.

Most of it won’t be “ruled by whites.” The young population of most States is already minority white european. Many cities and counties are majority Hispanic, mostly mestizo white/indian and heavily Spanish-speaking, and not just in SoCal or southern Texas or Miami.

Where we and many Americans live, white europeans like me are a small and still shrinking minority.

Try again, anti-white bigot dumb fuck.

“Better kiss China’s ass and beg for Chinese high speed rail.”

A swift kick in the scrawny ass is what China is going to get…

How did you end up in Australia? China can’t feed you?

Well, Vietnam did indeed give China an ass whooping. But they have since kissed and made up, even to the point that they are now building high speed rail between their countries.

But the ass whooping China gave India was on another scale….and made them butthurt for 60 years …so much so that they insist on Japanese high speed rail instead. But in a very predictably Indian way, now their Japanese built high speed rail dream is a failure.

Better kiss China’s ass and beg for Chinese high speed rail. It is about the only way India will get it.

Do most Uyghurs want to separate?

A hint may be gotten from this surprising Uyghur wedding in small town Xinjiang….attended by an American girl living in China. … Not sure if the Uyghur guy is her new boyfriend tho, but she seems to do a bit of traveling with him lately.

This video above is just a couple of days old. Her other videos are very interesting too. She chose to live in a small town in rural China and shows us how it is like. Quite eye opening, I would say.

Video Link

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No worries, I caught your drift.
Anyways, these days my eyes aren’t what they used to be, so unless I look really closely, my mind sort of fills in the blanks from the general context….LOL

Yes, Haiti is an interesting case. I will say that I never studied it closely, so I can’t really say anything of value. It seems to me to be an extreme case.

But I am interested to visit Rwanda …eventually. I hear good stories about it; how they are pulling themselves out from the funk. To me, if Rwanda can succeed, then so can every other Subsaharan African country.

Sepoys like Aleatorius suffer from extreme feelings of inferiority, after centuries of English rule and decades of economic failure, particularly when compared to China. A very low point for one of the great civilizations of yore.

Xinjiang has been Chinese territory since the Han ie two thousand years. The Uighurs are doing well, as are all inhabitants of the PRC.

Pathetic sepoy troll licking its Yankee masters’ arses.

Do most Uyghurs want to separate? There was a time when Chechens wanted to separate and even fought two wars but have now changed their mind.

The bigger problem is between India and Pakistan than India and China.

cut and paste word salad error: “Or you can tant a man to protect them and, in many cases, children to carry on. ”
should be: “Or you can tell by the way that women suddenly want a man to protect them and, in many cases, children to carry on. ”

Strangely, some things are just too big to hide, while also being too big to see easily.

More and different indicators:

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2024/07/10/biden-floods-ohio-town-20000-haitian-migrants-ten-bedroom/

Haiti is a very rough place. I’ve heard stories from people who’ve been there.

https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/haiti-devours-white-missionaries/#comment-6598198

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/14/what-is-the-history-of-foreign-interventions-in-haiti

OK, enough of that.

“One can trace it back to 1962 ass kicking in the Himalayas.”

Remember Vietnam? China tucked its tail between its legs… you’re going to get your arse handed to you on a platter. My Kremlin source told me that Putin is not with China when the US is going rain hell on it… where will you run to, unz catamite?

Obsessively seeking to see others’ insecurities,
Betrays a certain insecurity in oneself.

One can trace it back to 1962 ass kicking in the Himalayas.

Thank you for the information, there is nothing better that to hear it from someone on the ground.

It appears that you have made extensive preparations for eventualities, so I am sure you have also prepared your boys well for what may come.

If/when things turn for the worse in the US, it may very well be that when your boys are established overseas, they may send for you and your wife to join them?…..but let’s hope it never become necessary.

My, those are very refreshing (to me at least…LOL) insights that I would never have thought of.

Thank you for your valuable perspective!

“Agreed that neither should aid separatists in the other country… China should let…”

Here you go. Neither China nor India should… but you could ask China to…

“USA too: mandatory recurring binding referenda in each State on whether to secede and become independent.”

So, you still want most of the land to be controlled and ruled by whites, don’t you? What about returning most of USA, Canada, etc to native Americans, the true and original owner of the land?

So little self-awareness!

Agreed that neither should aid separatists in the other country.

But India should let the Punjabis have their own country.

China should let the Uyghurs have their country too.

And yes, i’d apply that to the USA too: mandatory recurring binding referenda in each State on whether to secede and become independent. In fact, i’d like to simply cut Puerto Rico, Hawaii loose. New York City and LA County as well.

It’s a mere exercise to see how insecure the Chinese are, notwithstanding the claims to greatness by the army of trolls.

lol

many of my countrymen are a fucking embarrassment

ignorant they are, and proud of it

Good question. There may be resistance and protest worse than that during the vietnam war.

But I’d guess that the great majority of people with draft-age boys will make no effort to get them out of the country; they’ll complain loudly, maybe rally in protest, but otherwise just keep their boys in the usa and just hope they either don’t get an induction notice, or are granted a deferment. That seems like immature, irresponsible “wishful thinking” and bad parenting.

We won’t be participating in any civil war, rioting, or armed revolt in response to a military draft.

If Congress announces a vote on actually activating the draft and any of our boys is age 17 or above, we will move them out of the USA fast. We all have other citizenships. One of them offers a top-tier passport with travel privileges similar to the USA, while another offers an above-average passport. We have two little crash pads abroad — one owned and one rented. Basic and not large, but sufficient for our purposes.

It could be that for many years, the boys won’t be able to return to the usa without being arrested and prosecuted for “draft evasion.”

That’s a sad prospect, but we would rather have our boys renounce US Citizenship and never return, than be forced into war for the scumbags ruling us.

Are people angry? Or are they still content to plod on with the current state of affairs?

People are frightened.

I wouldn’t expect you to believe this thesis without seeing it, so here are some videos that show it.

This next video is intended to be exploitative entertainment. However, if you just consider what the women are saying, and ignore the idiot commentator, you get a picture of women running for cover, trying to bail out of office jobs and the world outside their house.

women tired of working
. The complaint is that jobs are “not fulfilling”, but Feminism is 6 decades old. Why is it becoming anathema only now, and only for the Millennials (born 1981-1996)? Everybodybut the bulk of women with jobs have been warning about feminism for the past 6 decades.
I propose that the employed women are frightened. When women are afraid, they try to form a personal (and likely temporary) relation with a man and ask for protection. You can see this in:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LzcCpcmGc_c , in which the implied criticism is that no man was present to protect the woman. The other woman present was not criticized for failure to protect, and was in fact treated as a secondary victim.

Here’s an illustration of the same sort of phenomenon:

The Island, season 2. Women fail to adjust to reality. The women’s colony almost died twice, while the men’s colony was never near death. The women in the women’s colony acted stupidly and did not work as hard as did the men in the men’s colony – “laziness”, see video at time stamp“24:50”.

This is not a criticism of the women, BTW. Women generally don’t do well with machines or chemical processes – women simply are not interested and don’t put in the time required for intuitive understanding. Machines/chemical processes are not children, and are in fact often hazardous for children. Women who work as hard as men tend to die in childbirth, which is why pregnant US women were treated up until ~1940 by US men as if made of thin glass.

To summarize the above, women are now trying very hard to attach themselves to men and have children. The usual confusion about motives prevails in most women. Women often do not know why they do things, though, so ostensible motives are quite often not real motives.

If you think about it, Alastair Crooke’s article (https://www.unz.com/article/we-were-deceived-and-gaslit-for-years-all-in-the-name-of-democracy-then-poof-it-collapsed-overnight/ ) is frightening in the extreme.All the “moral causes” that supposedly underlay society were frauds, all of the leadership that was carefully selected and benevolent were actually amoral killers (or amoral killed or both). The government was not run by elections, but rather by political machines whose professionals were in it only for the money (Plunkitt being a very early example of that). The world that the US was supposed to be making better and safer was actually being treated as a small part of internal US politics by what appear to have been short sighted psychopaths. After about 1990, the world was being milked for all it was worth and the money used cut the last links between voting and “Our Democracy”. All of the ethnic groups that had supposedly been “Americanized” had actually been either destroyed (e.g. the Irish, Polish, Italian vote), or else immiserated and converted to enemies by Federally funded “community organizers” (e.g. the Black coalition and some of the Hispanic population). The most numerous ethnic group in the US is undergoing full scale genocide (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/linguistic-white-supremacy-lefts-new-crusade-against-english-language )

In other words, something very close to the Zombie Apocalypse has become real in the US. People and groups thought to be fellow citizens have turned into brain damaged, largely ineffective, but very numerous enemies.

There is a massive population movement away from the worst affected areas – the area I live in has multiple internal refugees. If I hadn’t spent several years in a profession where I had to risk my life several times a year, or if I hadn’t seen this coming and avoided the worst of it, I’d be terrified myself. Since I did spend those years, it’s just the same old same old.

Most people are pretending that nothing is wrong, but they know. They know. You can tell that from polling results and from the way the employed have only content free conversations. Or you can tant a man to protect them and, in many cases, children to carry on. Or you can tell by the the way that the Millennial men are unsure that they can support a family and are avoiding marriage.

That’s it, I hope that answers your question.

Do you have to go through all that trouble for a little attention?

You really need a boyfriend. Did the arranged marriage not work out for you?

Every time Senor Pepe pens an article vis a vis China, all I have to do to set off the fireworks among the Chow Chows of the Unz kennel club is to mention the Dalai Lama, Tibet and occasionally, the Turkmenistan and of they go to the races… it’s so fucking hilarious.

I supposed he meant to write Xinjiang.

I believe he meant “Turkestan” as in East Turkestan which is advocated for by the Xinjiang secessionists.

He has been corrected before. But his memory isn’t too good. It takes somewhat a good memory to make coherent arguments.

But it is not the usual Indian way to make coherent arguments. They mostly wind and twist, whichever way suits them best at the particular moment.

Some 30% of the residents in my country are of Indian nationality/extraction. We are all too familiar with their ways.

better relations between the two,

You are totally right. In fact China has been making repeated suggestions to do so. But the Indians are too butthurt over the 1962 war to move on.

If one monitors Chinese media, there is hardly mention of India. However if one monitors Indian media, they on the other hand are all obsessed by China.

“divide and rule”

Again, you are absolutely right.
With normal countries that have some integrity, this would not usually be the problem. They would honour their agreements.

But Indians, particularly Northern Indians, have a real issue with honouring their deals. One only has to look at how many foreign firms begin to make investments in India, have their hands burnt by (North) Indian swindling, then withdraw and vow never to go back again. If one knows this, then there is no wonder why the “Make in India” initiative that Modi used to boast about is a failure….

Here is a news article about it:

https://english.news.cn/20240110/42c160d295cd4a2c92906737a3374693/c.html

I can personally attest to the Indian national business character. When I was still working, in a consulting firm, we could provide services to clients from any country with the usual service agreement. Usually this meant phased delivery of work, followed by payment by the client.

However with Indian clients, we could not do this, because it had to assumed that the final payment would never reach us. So companies serving the Indian market had to do modifications to the payment structure:
1. Insist on payment in full before any work is done.
2. Front load the phased payment so that even if the last payment is not made, we would still have received what we planned for.

Indians do not realise this. They think they are being clever by swindling people. But in truth, they simply raise the costs for themselves in the long term, as less and less people trust them.

I supposed he meant to write Xinjiang. A Chinaman could reply “Free Khalistan!”. The best would be for both China and India to work towards unity of their own countries, better relations between the two, and stop undermining each other by supporting separatism in the other as this “divide and rule” will ultimately play into the hands of the Collective West to the detrimental of both.

I know that this seems like simple fanaticism to you, and perhaps it is.

Actually not, I highly admire it.

To me, everyone should discover for himself his relationship not only with himself, but with God (whatever he makes “God” out to be).

The crucial, most basic trait that is necessary for any human being, is humility. The willingness to admit that he does not know everything, and therefore is willing to “seekfirstthe kingdom of God”.

Unfortunately the loss of humility, i.e. hubris is the cause of many troubles in the world and our personal lives.

We can see it in:
1. As you mentioned, the Qing dynasty when China regarded itself the pinnacle of civilisation and closed off its borders and its mind, of course it atrophied.
2. The West today regarding itself as the pinnacle of human achievement, closing off their minds and refusing to ask themselves hard painful questions about where they are headed to.
3. Organised religions who regarded themselves as having already found “the answer”, and refusing to seek after the face of God.
4. Individuals who think that they have all the answers, do not seek opinions and fresh perspectives, but rather try to stuff their own opinions down the throats of others….all the while claiming it to be an expression of Free Speech.
5. Etc etc.

Can I assume that you live in the USA? If so, please can you tell me what is the mood on the ground in your country. The last time I was stateside was a decade ago, so I am keen to know what the mood is now.

Are people angry? Or are they still content to plod on with the current state of affairs?

Free… Turkmenistan now

Turkmenistan is already free, my dear.

You may be Indian, but the level of your geographical knowledge is clearly American.

But isn’t India the first to die?
There are only two kinds of parties in your country: liars and traitors.
The two crooks yogi and modi have in fact torn India apart.
Gandhists have made every effort to send the Indian population to the United States.
I could probably see India dismembered to pieces.

Free Tibet & Turkmenistan now! Long live the Holy Lama!! Down with the Communist Party of China!!!

I think that the problems facing the US go much deeper than “who is president”.

Strongly agree. Max Weber’sThe Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism , 1905, (https://web.stanford.edu/class/sts175/NewFiles/Weber’s%20Protestant%20Ethic.pdf) asserts that capitalism (the accumulation of the land, labor, and machines needed to make useful goods out of raw materials) is a religious exercise, not an economic exercise, and that a rational millionaire would emulate Zukerman as opposed to Musk — spend the money on hedonistic (or political) goals instead of on new processes and new machines and new kinds of organization that obeys the religious injunction to be a “good steward” of God’s creation.

If you say so, Bhai.

Why are you so ashamed of being Indian? I respect Malla because he does not hide it.

But you still refuse to admit it. Have some pride in yourself man!

So says Ron’s little catamite… the slogan was a historical statement and it proves nothing.

If I may ask a serious question tho….

If a draft is imposed on American boys, what do you think the likelihood that the country will stand for it?

Would secession/civil war be a likely outcome?

Zhou had visited India on a mission to mislead the gullible Nehru that everything was harmonious when in reality China was preparing to attack India.

https://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/2010/03/you-scratch-my-back-but-i-wont-scratch.html

That claim makesno sense to me.

It is true that Generalissimo Cash My-Cheque spent most of his energy fightinghis “disease of the heart” (the Chinese communists who threatened his personal position as China’s ruler) and more or less lethis “disease of the skin” (the japs who threatened the survival of the Chinese nation) run amok killing Chinese nationals. Because of Cash My-Cheque, China’s contribution in fighting the japs was far, far from admirable for China’s size.

Even with that taken into account, China still tied up more than a million jap soldiers. Not to mention that Chinese expedition forces fighting in Burma actually stopped the japs invading British India. The Indians, on the other hand, basically sit out WWII– much like the citizens of Britain’s African colonies did.

Was any Black African country ever considered for a permanent seat at UNSC?

Those smaller settlements and rural areas are sparsely populated compared to SPB, let alone Moscow area.

Their residents are terribly old, there aren’t many of them, and their median age is very high and still rising.

For better and for worse, the rural areas do not provide any basis to expect substantial adherence to the christian cult in the future RF.

Sadly, that’s not a bad guess.

Americans with sons or grandsons under age 30, PROTECT these precious boys. PREPARE them to leave this murderous country and never return if necessary.

One can choose to go down with the ship. But leaving these young men of ours to be drafted. to go to Hell for the murder of people thousands of miles from our borders who are not attacking us here, to maybe be killed or maimed or paralyzed themselves, HELL NO.

PLEASE, God, guide some nation to supply advanced missiles to the Houthis and Hezbollah to end these child-murderers once and for all.

That sounds very similar to what the Hungarian individual told me. He told me he left because it was a kleptocracy similar to Russia under Yeltsin. I have no opinion on it – but that’s what he said happened. The lifestyle description you gave prior to that is pretty much what he said.

Sir Jadunath Sarkar writes that a monastery that looked likea fortfied castle was looted and monks were killed by Bakhtiar Khilji But no library was burnt or razed to the ground .

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e-GRnGxoUOjB6Mjeo27NIAu0DgAcP424/view?pli=1

Professor J N Jha comfirms how Hind Barhmin burnt the library as recorded by Buddhist monks

“Of the two Tibetan traditions, the one referred to by me has been given credence not only by Yadava

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but a number of other Indian scholars like R K Mookerji (Education in Ancient India), Sukumar Dutt (Buddhist Monks and Monsteries of India), Buddha Prakash (Aspects of Indian History and Civilization), and S C Vidyabhushana who interprets the text to say that it refers to an actual “scuffle between the Buddhsit and Brahmanical mendicants and the latter, being infuriated, propitiated the Sun god for twelve years, performed a fire- sacrifice and threw the living embers and ashes from the sacrificial pit into the Buddhist temples which eventually destroyed the great library at Nalanda called Ratnodadhi” (History of Indian Logic, p516 as cited by D R Patil, The Antiquarian Remains in Bihar, p.327). ”

https://kafila.online/2014/07/09/how-history-was-unmade-at-nalanda-d-n-jha/

(hence, the stupid slogan, “Hindi-Chini Bhai, Bhai),

Bhai, thank you for confirming you are a bhai.

I knew that monitoring your comments would eventually lead to a confirmation one way or the other….you can’t fool all of them all of the time.

Ron Unz was right on the money. Thanks Ron.
So were all the other guys who advised stubborn ol’ me the same….Thanks!

The Roman circus both entertained and demonstrated the power of the central government. Violent men fought at the upper classes’ command.

Yes that is certainly true, but it got more surreal than that…LOL

Some gladiators became wildly popular, rockstars of their age.

High born women paid well for the privilege of sex with the prevailing champions.

Free men sometimes sold themselves into slavery in gladiatorial stables because they wanted the glamour, excitement and female adoration.

Even the Emperor Commodus succumbed to the cult of circus and participated in the arena.

To me, it is as surreal as the selection of American presidents….pre-selected candidates loudly and colourfully (WWF style) presented to the public for “endorsement”, who after election are promptly controlled by the deep state, who are themselves controlled by shadowy elements.

The only reason why there are no riots in the streets and mobs marching on Capitol Hill, is because the average American still harbours vain hope that “my candidate will make things right”. Elections can be described as a kind of opiate of Democracies.

At best, he might set things up for somebody like Diocletian

Excellent point. I must ponder it.

Despite sounding harsh on the US, I really do think it is a shame. The USA has such great potential. The people are by and large decent folk, though somewhat naive and easily fooled. They can have such a great future in front of them. But first they need to ask themselves some uncomfortable soul searching questions.

I think that the problems facing the US go much deeper than “who is president”.

I am still pondering this issue, but at the present time, I think the most important and basic questions Americans need to ask themselves is
1. “Do I know everything?” — implications on Free vs Responsible Speech…how the individual governs himself
2. “Is Individualism NECESSARILY good?” — implications on how they organise their communities
3. “Is Democracy NECESSARILY good?” — implications on how they choose their leaders

Putin said he can forgive everything except infidelity…

Yep, Kremlin operates like mafia!

I feel ashamed as an ex-Putin-Fanboy!

Many people fall for it. But he’s been exposed now and lays bare in front of all Russian patriots. They will rise up eventually, hunt down Putin and his buddies, and free Russia!

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One sentence “article” with no references on a phony link farm site named to sound like LA Times “debunking” something?

Putin/Kremlin/FSB must be getting quite desperate to hide the amount of theft within the MoD:
124 Billion USD (11 Trillion RUB)!

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“Zhou reportedly demurred.”

Right before attacking the then weaker India under then misguided notions of then Indian prime minister, who believed falsely that Hindu India and Buddhist China were brothers (hence, the stupid slogan, “Hindi-Chini Bhai, Bhai), Zhou had visited India on a mission to mislead the gullible Nehru that everything was harmonious when in reality China was preparing to attack India.

And that fiasco of her own father’s making had wakened Indira Nehru (Gandhi) to the perfidy of the Chinese leadership. And she had been prepared to meet the Chinese challenge, if it had arisen. And Zhou knew it too and he didn’t want a bloody face with the Russians standing behind her and Mao being unsure of the American assistance in case of war with Russia.

But the day of reckoning is approaching faster than you can count 1, 2, 3 in Chinese and then let’s come back to compare notes… shall we?

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I recall watching documentaries after the 2014 Crimea sanctions how Russian agriculture had taken off as many EU goods were replaced by Russian agricultural products. Why not the same with many consumer goods?

My comments:

At least, I think that Russia should try to manufacture durable consumer goods that have a relatively low labour cost share per unit (such as cars). White goods can still be produced in Europe. Highly priced Miele products are still made in Germany and Switzerland. Low-priced white goods are made in Italy and Slovenia where wages are lower than in Germany but higher than in Russia.

I also wonder whether goods for commercial use shouldn´t be made in Russia to a greater extent. In Russia, there are huge forests. But as far as I understand, (forest) harvesters have at least up to quite recently not been made in Russia. But maybe that will change now when Ponsse has sold its Russian subsidiary to Dormashimport owned by Aleksey Voronkevich? I also think that (forest) harvesters should have been a suitable product for Russia´s trading partner Belarus. As far as I understand, the Belarussian farm tractor manufacturer Belarus is now offering a couple of badge-engineered Finnish Sampo harvesters or license-built (forest) harvesters based on Sampo machines.

Furthermore, I suspect that there should be tax incentives in Russia for transforming privately held companies into publicly traded companies. At least if we are talking about manufacturing companies that would benefit from rising wages. Like I said above, middle-class investors are less inclined to move assets to offshore accounts or offshore holding companies or send dividends and profits abroad. If oligarchs will remain the only owners in Russia, capital flight will never end and Russia will be forced to maintain high interest rates in order to prevent capital flight. And like I said, Russia will never be considered as a safe place for rich people´s money if too many people make too little money and own almost nothing. Switzerland is considered as a safe place for rich people´s money because of the general affluence among ordinary people.

China´s current strategy is to sell low- and medium priced goods abroad and to import luxury goods. I suspect that it would be a tremendous advantage for China to concentrate on products with a higher degree of added value, like telecom equipment for instance, and to pursue an import substitution strategy. The only major sector which may to some extent be associated with low wages which China should keep as a source of export revenues is perhaps consumer electronics. Japan and South Korea still export such products.

I also think that Russia should consider to offer Russian land on the border to Manchuria in return for turn-key factories, at least if theses factories can produce goods formerly imported from the West. The big problem for Russia would probably not be to operate such factories or have qualified engineers that can design new products in the future. The problem would probably be to create competitive factories with suitable equipment in a short time frame. At the same time, the Chinese seem to be experts in this field. China should perhaps sell industrial robots, automation technology and related consulting services rather than finished cars. I also assume that such products and services are less price sensitive than inexpensive cars. Of course, China will probably continue to be very competitive in the future even as regards entry-level cars because of great economies of scale and a high degree of automation. But I still think that it would be a better idea for China to sell industrial robots, automation technology and related consulting services to Russia rather than finished cars. And Russia also needs methods to make its trade balance less sensitive to higher wages. And like I said, higher wages can in turn indirectly stem the capital flight. Especially if the factories (that would be paid for by transferring land to China) would be given to the general public for free (perhaps in the form of restricted stocks or stocks tied down to some kind of inheritable pension accounts). Somehow, many Russians seem to think that capitalist prosperity is generated in some magical way if very few people own everything and most of the general public owns nothing. People need to be reminded about the fact that you don´t create prosperity by using South America as a role model. The protectionist France during the period “les trentes glorieuses” (1945 to 1975 or rather 1948 to 1973) could perhaps also serve as a source of inspiration for Russian leaders who don´t deep down a want a repeat of the Yeltsin era. Unfortunately, my impression is that a significant portion of the Russian elite don´t want something similar to France back in 1948 to 1973 but rather something similar to the Yeltsin era.

His reincarnation has already been born and he too will plague China until Tibet is free of the Han oppressors.

Mere semantics! But your irritation shows that point was well made…

Global socialism aka Marxism is still very popular in Hungary but not in the bigger cities where most folks have a decent income and are mostly right wing aka national socialist anti-globalist. Hungary’s nationalism is mainly bolstered by the fact that they lost 2/3 of their country after WOII to Slovakia, Croatia and Romania. There’s large Hungarian minority’s in those countries. Go to the country side where there is poverty all over the place and you will find many many Hungarians who would swap Jewish Capitalism for Jewish communism in a second. I lived in Hungary Dombovar and the first week I was there I was invited in by my neighbor Istvan and his wife Jutca . I have always been interested in history and politics so I asked them in my best German how life was under socialism. I never managed to speak Hungarian which is one of the most difficult languages on earth to learn and most elderly people in Hungary only speak German as a second language not English. After I asked the question they both became very emotional, the woman Utca started crying and I felt a bit awkward. Istvan explained to me that life was really good for them under communism. They had no worries, food was so cheap almost for free, they had no issues paying their bills as everything was subsidized. They could go out for dinner in a restaurant every week and had drinks in the local pub more than once a week. Life was amazing for them under communism although they were not 100% free but they were really happy. When liberal capitalism arrived everything in their life changed for the worse. They kept on working in the same company’s for about 400 euros per month, but everything else went up in prices; healthcare, food, medicine, you name it. They explained that life was really tough for them under capitalism. Always a struggle to make ends meat, no more extras, no more weekly restaurants visit, no more beer on Wednesday Friday and Saturday in the local pub. Life became a struggle, they both said they were very stressed. Work also changed , from one day to another, they had to reach targets, work became much harder more stress , weekly bullshit about goals, threats to be fired, more suffering less fun. The majority of folks in that town taught that way. The Hungarians who revolted against the globalist socialist rulers were the business owners, liberals, upper middle class folks ,nationalists and anti-semites as the ruling politicians were majority Jewish. Most folks especially Americans only know the bad about socialism but there was also positive things. Hitler and Mussolini were both socialists but from a different school as Marxism. They were radically anti-marxists and anti-globalists. They both subsidized work food housing etc etc. Facism is often called national socialism for a reason. The Jews want to rule the world till the end of times and they are going to re-implement Marxist socialism all over the white world in fases. Liberal capitalism inflation and a free market will make life harder en harder for working folks especially the poor without house ownership each year. This system is doomed to end and the Jews knew that when it kicked off. Private housing will become unaffordable for most folks. Your dollar euro will loose value every coming year. Everything thing will become more and more expensive. Until the point that riots and revolutions will break out all over the western world. Kennedy who believed in national identity (which makes him anti-globalist) knew that both Hitler and Mussolini were the good guys when he came in power. He saw the same Marxists Jews that controlled the USSR taking over the Western world via the system of Liberal capitalism and democracy. In his famous last speech he was actually talking about Jews in America. Kennedy realized that Hitler was the good guy and that the Anglo-Saxons had fought the wrong enemies. He also knew that the holocaust was fabricated. So the Jews took him out. I am not positive. I think that the Jews are going to win. They get away with anything. We know that the solution is to remove them from international and national finance but who in the world has the power to do that ? Trump ? Hell no, I hope they show mercy for us the European white peoples and wil not fully decimate us but I doubt it. They have proven in the past and today to be mercilessly. Their holy book is the Talmud.

“Some other Indian also mentioned this before, I think.”

Wonders never cease. The same stupid contention appeared ab0out two decades ago, when internet blogging became popular. I’ll give somewhat the same reply here.

The United Nations was formed in 1945 with the victorious Allied Powers – the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain, France, and China – as permanent members of the Security Council. India was then still a British colony: it was not yet a UN member, much less a member of the Security Council. Now, AFTER its independence India COULD request for a seat among the Five permanent members but it didn’t do that. It was unlikely to get much support anyway – most Western powers were uncomfortable with the anti-colonial zeitgeist that prevailed over vast areas of the underdeveloped world. Britain’s Churchill used to call the restive Indians something like “a beastly people with a beastly religion.” No Western country even seemed interested in ameliorating the relatively recent 1943-44 Bengal famine. Indeed, the same Churchill was asking “why Gandhi didn’t die?” A few years passed when millions more were killed or wounded as Hindus and Muslims fought each other during the Partition that led to Independence in 1947. All such events apparently did not inspire the West to think much of India, much less offering it a seat in the Security Council. Further, remember that the Republic of China (ROC) was already a veto member. Can anyone believe that Chiang Kai-Shek would give up the ROC seat for India? As years went by, the US itself was pissed off at the pro-Soviet stance of Nehru’s India. So no, despite many attempts at historical revisionism, the West, including France and Britain, never did imagine a permanent Indian representative sitting among them at the Security Council.

So Kissinger didn’t “hand over the seat” to China – the seat was already occupied by the Republic of China (Taiwan) and he didn’t have the power anyway. Kissinger COULD have been the person who asked Zhou En-lai to create a diversion by attacking India at the Himalayas to prevent Indian troops from marching into East Pakistan (today’s Bangladesh). Zhou reportedly demurred.

Dalai this cruel bold donkey will soon be dead. long live my ar**

Everything you quoted about Xi Zang/Tibet is a lie. They are made up by the XiZang independent force.

You should get your fact STRIGHT before you spread out a lie!

https://www.laitimes.com/en/article/6ykk8_7ewtt.html

Debunk the rumors! Former Russian Deputy Defense Minister Shevtsova appeared: I didn’t flee to France with a huge amount of money, but in the Kremlin Palace

Kptlt. von Trapp was a U-boat commander who deepsixed an Italian cruiser
in the Otranto strait which was then a major feat.
Then again Mulga´s favourite Bonhoeffer was a U-boat captain too 😁

Putin said he can forgive everything except infidelity…
Stealing fortunes or violently taking mountains of vital cash from the Russian peoples seems like a cavalier act but hardly infidelity going by the “tolerant” Jewish president on top of Russia; just the way he tolerated Russian troops being shell starved… “Tolerance, the last virtue before the downfall”.
I feel ashamed as an ex-Putin-Fanboy!

Then what would be the “circus” of the US Empire?

Deep question. I wish I knew the answer. Here are some comments on it, though.

The Roman circus both entertained and demonstrated the power of the central government. Violent men fought at the upper classes’ command. Criminals were executed in as entertainment by the upper classes. Nature itself was dominated by creating artificial nature: wild beast hunts. Etc.

So what duplicates that in the contemporary US?

Off hand, I’d say “Nothing duplicates that”.

Used to be that TV defined reality. Saturday night boxing, shows like “Peter Gunn” or “Dragnet” showed evil being destroyed by private and public actors, nature was held at bay in sitcoms or authoritatively described in documentaries. Etc. No more. Media has badly hurt everybody, and the winners now, in fiction and news, are those that all watching know are hostile to them and people like them. Government power is not displayed, but government hostility is. What could be more hostile than “We’re going to castrate or spay your kids, or maybe just turn them into unemployable monsters.”?

As you remark, bread and circus are political genius, and absolutely displaced the most important events from the US public consciousness. This lasted from at latest the New Deal until, perhaps, 2016 ( if Ron Unz’s work is valid ). In 2016 the bread and circuses began to crack. The attacks that had worked so well on Nixon failed against Trump, and the management of COVID and the BLM riots revealed just how incompetent Federal government was. And then the fissures turned into crevasses after the 2020 elections and the 1/6 affair and subsequent lawfare. And now we have the Biden/Trump debate and the cleanup interview that didn’t clean up, and subsequent Uniparty incoherent panic.

So the circus part is vanishing.

The US Federal government is in the same situation as 1950s Sicily, in a way. What do you do when almost everybody knows how to be a criminal, but not much more? What do you do when everybody lives off of government and has no other skill? You double down — rely even more on force and threats.

The US Federal government is increasingly reliant on force and economic threats. When the bread finally goes, from issuing too many threats and providing too few benefits, (e.g. in shipping lane protection, banking security, suppression of mechanized war, etc.) so does the US Federal government. European governments also.

And Trump won’t be able to use a capital boom and weapons purchase from deficit spending to re-establish the bread and circuses spell. The US is in very serious trouble, and Trump will have to react to that. Trump is a good leader, but he’s old, ready to start a decline in his 80s, and so has only about 4 years to preserve the US. Not enough time. At best, he might set things up for somebody like Diocletian (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century ).

See also:https://www.zerohedge.com/political/western-elites-have-reality-problem ; When the elites can’t affect reality, they try to affect voters. That used to succeed as a sort of circus/bluff combination, doesn’t now. For an example of such a failure, try searching YouTube.com for “feminism not me”.

Completely stupid comment. There was no Formosa. It was the Republic of China at the time and the capital had been Nanjing. Tibet was recognized as part of the Republic of China in spite of British machinations. Subsequently The government ended up in Taiwan because they lost the civil war. They continued to represent all of China at the UN from Taiwan until the 1970’s. I hope you are just trolling and not really this obtuse.

Khalistan is an immediate concern– so urgent that a Sikh independence leader is bumped off:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar

reliable sources state that that seat was offered to newly independent India but the Chinese agent Nehru had forked it over to the enemy, foolishly. Things change!

Some other Indian also mentioned this before, I think. Can you give references fromTRULY reliable sources to support your claim??

In any case, I believe India DESERVES a permanent UNSC seat too:

“If India and China come together, they will be a powerful global force to stem the tide of American unilateralism. Second, China today faces a threat from Islamic terrorists in its western back yard and may want to forge a common bond with India. Is there anything wrong about it? China has opposed Indian political moves in the past, but India should blame itself for it. For several decades, India had frozen relations with China and when the latter tried to seek understanding, the former rudely rebuffed her. It was only then that China started opposing India’s political moves [such as membership of the United Nations Security Council] and forging a full-scale relationship with Pakistan. ”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EF21Df01.html

P. S. It was the Jew, Henry K. who handed over the seat to China from the Island so that his peeps can gain control of the burgeoning Chinese trade to get further rich.

Henry K certainly had done something very wrong. He should have handed that permanent UNSC seat over to Maldives. That would made the UN just as effective as letting the Cash My-Cheque regime hold that seat!!!ANDit would have the advantage that India could have a permanent UNSC member closer to home! 😀

But, but,… Maldives has switched alignment to China lately.

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/maldives-moving-toward-china-heres-what-know

Most Holy Dalai Lama

Everything about him is holy, except his tongue.

I recall watching documentaries after the 2014 Crimea sanctions how Russian agriculture had taken off as many EU goods were replaced by Russian agricultural products. Why not the same with many consumer goods?