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    Pavel Durov (lead image) aka Paul du Rove (“vagabond” in French) doesn’t put his money where his mouth is. This is because more than half the assets and almost half the revenues of Durov’s Telegram group of companies are digital units which Telegram itself programmes, stores, trades, values, and revalues, so the potential for concealment,...
  • @anonymous
    @Darkstar

    This is not true. Jigs, fatties, queers, the ugly, and the dim are too sensitive to hear any discouraging words. Free speech is a luxury of the genetically lucky and cannot be allowed n any society that aspires to equality. Your position can be likened to allowing pitchers to hit in baseball. Archaic.

    Replies: @Darkstar

    Not really being a baseball fan, but to me I really don’t understand why pitchers can’t take a crack at batting. But I’ll admit I could care less.

    If you wouldn’t mind, define your terms. What do you mean by “equality”? If your talking about the concept of “equal outcomes” ie regression to the lowest common denominator, then yes I can agree with your point

    But since I didn’t define or mean to imply equality in that way I still stand by my position.

    I have no desire to be drug down to “their level”. Equality of outcomes is antithetical to the founding vision of America.

    I look forward to your reply and definitely respect your opinions.

    Cheers

  • anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Darkstar
    @JewishNumberOne

    JewishNumberOne,

    As a sovereign human being you are not only allowed to "hate" who ever you choose and at least currently in the USA you can say it loud to whoever you choose. Another persons "hurt feelings" are of no concern to the "hate speech" of someone else.
    Just because you might not want to hear it, you have no right to interfere with my thoughts, ideas and the speech I choose.
    But you are free to plug your ears and walk away.
    Or if you have the ability to have a rational debate on why you don't like/agree with my speech maybe I will choose to have that conversation.

    We are both free to speak our minds.

    Cheers

    Replies: @anonymous

    This is not true. Jigs, fatties, queers, the ugly, and the dim are too sensitive to hear any discouraging words. Free speech is a luxury of the genetically lucky and cannot be allowed n any society that aspires to equality. Your position can be likened to allowing pitchers to hit in baseball. Archaic.

    • Replies:@Darkstar
    @anonymous

    Not really being a baseball fan, but to me I really don't understand why pitchers can't take a crack at batting. But I'll admit I could care less.

    If you wouldn't mind, define your terms. What do you mean by "equality"? If your talking about the concept of "equal outcomes" ie regression to the lowest common denominator, then yes I can agree with your point

    But since I didn't define or mean to imply equality in that way I still stand by my position.

    I have no desire to be drug down to "their level". Equality of outcomes is antithetical to the founding vision of America.

    I look forward to your reply and definitely respect your opinions.

    Cheers

  • @Ghali
    You have to wonder how a Russian guy with basic English can rise to such a status if he is doing ordinary things. Durov – with quad citizen - is praised by the Russian media as a hero who cares about "free speech" and "human rights" - both do not exist in Russia. Durov (like many of his peers) is a tool of the police state. How did he get there?

    Replies: @One Nobody, @anonymous, @Bill Jones

    both do not exist in Russia.

    Keep drinking that coolaid.

  • It sounds to me like the SEC Jews are mad because Durov hasn’t given the Wall Street Jews a cut.

    Every SEC Jew was, will be, or hopes to be a Wall Street Jew.

  • @seventabs
    @TKK

    Yes. Pretty bizarre article on unz that defends the globohomo's right to take one's freedom or money whenever it wants.

    Pricewaterhouse Coopers this! FTC that!

    It totally is the case that Durov isn't perfect, but he puts work and makes services that people can use for free. What globohomo does? Yeah.

    Replies: @Tashtar

    Not bizarre if you consider writer is close to Kremlin and Russian state is not happy with Telegram.

  • @Tony Hall
    @Anonymous534

    I had similar questions. Doesn't Helmer's essay add trivia that muddies the waters on what is clearly major story pointing us at very crucial issues about the Internet... issues that are rarely addressed forthrightly in public discourse. Would Durov have been more worthy if he had been in a position to simply phone up daddy for a few more billions from time to time to get his Internet platform up and running?

    It seems he has had to struggle and innovate on the financial front in order to develop an Internet resource that affords privacy to the messaging of all sides in important conflicts and that doesn't go along with censorship to protect floozy propositions like.... Israel has a right to defend itself or that Anti-Zionism amounts to antisemitism.

    In conducting research I was amazed to discover how important Telegram had been in providing the vehicle for Hamas to tell its side of the story to a global audience on October 7. Moreover Telegram has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of copious hacked Israeli files. The hacking, encrypted protection and downloading of these Israeli files, including from Israeli military contractors, hospitals, universities and more, has been underway at unprecedented levels since the US-Israeli genocide got in gear.

    Usually this kind of news would be highlighted on Unz, not pushed to the side as it is in Helmers actuarial commentary.

    Please see my new essay

    https://anthonyjhall.substack.com/p/durov-is-an-internet-freedom-fighter

    Durov is apparently facing some financial hardships and menacing legal harassment for not playing along with the intelligence establishment. Telegram faces extra challenges because it wasn't initiated as CIA or US Armed Forces spyware. Those looking into the effort to criminalize Durov and Telegram will want to play close attention to the role of the Zionist heavy hitters in the unfolding spectacle.

    Replies: @Tashtar

    Closings Telegram would be bingo for Russia.

  • I never understood the appeal of Facebook, MySpace before it, or Twitter and probably never will. Does that statement sound like a schizoid position?
    I use WeChat for the easy translation function essential to maintaining dialogue with my Chinese immigrant friends. Plus their video section is entertaining.

    My Chinese friends are certain WeChat is the surveillance function of Xi’s government. I won’t argue their assertion.

    I bet I could look like a billionaire with a few hero-worshipping fans if .Gov fronted me and forgave a few billion dollar loans, too.
    I never developed the necessary skill to ask for things. Thus, the shakedown skills of ConMen like Musk never cease to amaze me in not a good way

  • @Rich23
    @Che Guava

    I use WeChat, but not for monetary transactions and because I have a few Chinese friends.
    Interestingly, a disembodied Asian entity recently tried to seduce me into using Telegram or WhatsApp to communicate with her. So, after a few more ordinary texts and no movement of me to either other platform, Asian entity lost interest in me.

    You said ‘telephone number’….
    ….and I say, “Bingo!”.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    I have an older friend, neither speaks nor writes English, lately he’s been adventuring in Facebook with the use of automated translation. A former taxi driver, he stopped that because of too few fares under coronomania.

    Also a self-trained artist, I wrote several letters to several very rich people for him to try to sell his good-at-times art.

    None passed the office staff.

    So, on Facebook, he found an account under the name Elon Musk Tesla 1, I don’t know what happened later, but he challenged Elon Musk Tesla 1 to prove that he is a real person, and two videos appeared. Except for fingers under the chin, and (as I see in retrospect, that may have been not natural motion), also the voice had digital distortion.

    Haven’t seen my friend for a couple of weeks, but he says the reply fromElon Musk Tesla 1 was a request for cash. Do want to see the exchange.

    Perhaps they have perfected the A.I. models, after all, Musk’s fortunes are largely built on government handouts, so an A.I. Musk model would naturally ask for money.

  • @William Everett
    @Commentator Mike

    Thank you for your reply. All of this is unsettling because it leads us closer to WW3.

    ""It’s clear to us that Israel has an interest in keeping a military presence in Azerbaijan, using its territory to observe Iran,” Armenian diplomat Tigran Balayan said."

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-weapons-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-sources-data/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-russia-giving-ukraine-early-warning-systems-2024-3?op=1

    So, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan, which appears to be partnered with Israel, because Azerbaijan considers Iran its main threat. Israel is arming Ukraine with high tech defense weapons, whose government is now Jewish and whose leader announced that Ukraine is part of "Greater Israel" and whose parents are living a secure life of luxury in Israel. Putin says that NATO and "the Saxons" are fighting a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine.

    Yet, the entire Ukraine situation seems to be the work of Deep State Jewish "Neocons," who are the controllers of the Biden puppet regime (essentially admitted to by Putin in the Carlson interview) many of who have Ukrainian Jewish heritage (long standing Jewish grudges) and none of which appear to be Protestant or Heritage Americans.

    This causes me to wonder or speculate about a couple of things:

    1) Did Jewish "Neocons" (agents of Israel positioned in high Western positions) corrupt the Armenian government to turn to the Globalist powers they control, with the hidden agenda of setting another fuse in place to assure WW3? (They seem to want WW3 pretty badly. They insanely believe it will fulfill their grand genocidal prophecy. Playing both sides of every coin is one of their primary characteristics.)

    2) It appears impossible for Putin to call out Russia's true enemy. How or why is this?

    Replies: @ariadna, @Commentator Mike

    The alliances in this coming WWIII are interlinked in complicated ways. In this WWIII allies in one theatre may become foes in another. For example, Iran is supplying weapons to Russia for the SMO in the Ukraine and is its ally against ISIS in Syria but if there is a big war between Azerbaijan (with Turkey) and Armenia, Iran could well back the Armenians, while the Russians would probably stay neutral. Muslims tend to be united against Israel, although few are actively fighting against it, yet they have rivalries among each other with potential war breweeng between Algeria and Morocco. In Libya, Turkey and Russia seem to be backing opposite sides. And who knows what is going on in the war in Sudan and who is backing whom there or why?

    In reply to your questions.

    (1) Yes.

    (2) Russia (and China) will go against Israel only up to a point. Jews are probably quite dominant in Russia (most oligarchs seem to be Jews) so Putin doesn’t want to anger them or lose their backing. There are also many Russians in Israel, and perhaps Russians see Israel as an American outpost in the Middle East rather than being the controller of the US. So Putin is trying to hold back Iran from seeking revenge for Israeli attacks on It. I think Russians and Chinese still hope for some two state diplomatic solutions.

  • @Dave Bowman
    @TKK

    A completely word-perfect and hugely-important comment. Thank you for being highly-intelligent, and highly-perceptive, when so much of the world is heading in the opposite direction.

    But I also now believe absolutely in armed resistance, which at some point will become open and unavoidable. We are - also - all Palestinians now.

    Replies: @TKK

    Thanks so much, Brother.
    It means a lot.

  • @ariadna
    @JewishNumberOne

    Rejoice!
    Israel ill consider imposing a death sentence on some "hate speech" for B'Tselem activists who publicize Israel's crimes against humanity in Gaza and the West Bank.
    I am in fact surprised that B'tselem has survived this long in that hellhole of collective sociopathy.

    Replies: @ariadna

  • @Commentator Mike
    The use of Telegram by the Azeris to help raise the anti-French rebellion in New Caledonia probably explains the rage of the French authorities. The West wants to exclusively use social media to promote colour revolutions against governments they wish to target, and here we have an anti-Western anti-colonialist revolution enabled by Telegram. Not sure how much the rest of this article is believable or relevant as the Western governments want to discredit Durov and Telegram.

    Replies: @Tony Hall

    Discredit Durov and Telegram for helping an anti-colonial liberation struggle…. on Unz! Say it isn’t so!

  • @William Everett
    @Commentator Mike

    Thank you for your reply. All of this is unsettling because it leads us closer to WW3.

    ""It’s clear to us that Israel has an interest in keeping a military presence in Azerbaijan, using its territory to observe Iran,” Armenian diplomat Tigran Balayan said."

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-weapons-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-sources-data/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-russia-giving-ukraine-early-warning-systems-2024-3?op=1

    So, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan, which appears to be partnered with Israel, because Azerbaijan considers Iran its main threat. Israel is arming Ukraine with high tech defense weapons, whose government is now Jewish and whose leader announced that Ukraine is part of "Greater Israel" and whose parents are living a secure life of luxury in Israel. Putin says that NATO and "the Saxons" are fighting a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine.

    Yet, the entire Ukraine situation seems to be the work of Deep State Jewish "Neocons," who are the controllers of the Biden puppet regime (essentially admitted to by Putin in the Carlson interview) many of who have Ukrainian Jewish heritage (long standing Jewish grudges) and none of which appear to be Protestant or Heritage Americans.

    This causes me to wonder or speculate about a couple of things:

    1) Did Jewish "Neocons" (agents of Israel positioned in high Western positions) corrupt the Armenian government to turn to the Globalist powers they control, with the hidden agenda of setting another fuse in place to assure WW3? (They seem to want WW3 pretty badly. They insanely believe it will fulfill their grand genocidal prophecy. Playing both sides of every coin is one of their primary characteristics.)

    2) It appears impossible for Putin to call out Russia's true enemy. How or why is this?

    Replies: @ariadna, @Commentator Mike

    2) It looks like that. Lots of speculations as to why…

    • Replies:@ariadna
    @ariadna

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/assistance-to-enemy-in-war-israeli-mk-requests-death-penalty-for-btselems-director/

    ,@ariadna
    @ariadna

    https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1831744380501454893?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1831744380501454893%7Ctwgr%5Eb3d918330f7600fc429fcae227b00f5b61e9190c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palestinechronicle.com%2Fassistance-to-enemy-in-war-israeli-mk-requests-death-penalty-for-btselems-director%2F

  • @JewishNumberOne
    There is zero right to hate speech

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Jim H, @Darkstar, @Gerbils, @ariadna

    Rejoice!
    Israel ill consider imposing a death sentence on some “hate speech” for B’Tselem activists who publicize Israel’s crimes against humanity in Gaza and the West Bank.
    I am in fact surprised that B’tselem has survived this long in that hellhole of collective sociopathy.

    • Replies:@ariadna
    @ariadna

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/assistance-to-enemy-in-war-israeli-mk-requests-death-penalty-for-btselems-director/

  • @JewishNumberOne
    There is zero right to hate speech

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Jim H, @Darkstar, @Gerbils, @ariadna

    I hate people who mutilate and suck bloody baby dicks. Is that illegal now?

  • @MoT
    @TKK

    When one competes with The Blob one may either capitulate and be "absorbed" by it or fight tooth and nail to destroy it. There's no "living with" The Blob.

    Replies: @Avery

    Resistance is futile: you WILL be absorbed.


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  • Is mental illness more common in the creative class?
    Both terms rest on definitions.

    Are psychopathy and narcissistic personality disorder associated with a higher degree of creativity than major depression, schizophrenia or anxiety disorders?

    Yes! Just ask the psychopath or the narc and they’ll never blink.
    Most defenders of Pavel in turn and unaware project their good traits into an unworthy, empty vessel named Durov.
    Yes it works both ways and almost always to the psychopath’s or narc’s advantage.
    After all, they are winners. Just ask them.

    Isn’t 99th percentile or greater ‘acquisitive projective identification’ (defense mechanism against an uncomfortable thought) the perfect prescription for the title Chief Executive Officer, CEO, taking the lion’s share of credit for the company’s performance?

    Pavel engages this defense mechanism in his routinized megalomania manifested as a confidence game.
    Durov “lost” his boundaries. What could be a better example than this self-described Man of the World?

  • @TKK
    Push back against the Western Blob of Control and you are bankrupted, imprisoned, indicted or killed.

    He is a victim of the Blob, that ever expanding steel spider web of laws, regulations, taxes and fees that has strangled Freedom forever. He showed a real handicap in his understanding of the World now. He believed he was free because he was an International Jet Setter with some cash and otherworldly IT prowess, flexing with Tucker, cultivating a persona of mystery.

    The Blob is the greatest threat to humans since the Black Death.

    Micro level: Thumb your nose of building codes. You will be bankrupted with fines and prison. Your house will be destroyed.

    Macro level: Roam around the world on your private jet, believing you are a global citizen, naively believing that the Blob is not going to extract their pound of flesh.

    Once you start dipping your toe in any type of large money schemes, you are signaling your willingness to "play ball". Jump through all the hoops, pay all the fines, and most importantly- be loyal to the System. Truly, I am not "connected" enough to know what price is expected if you want to joint the private jet class:

    Have sex with a child?
    Participate in a blood ritual honoring Satan?
    Pledge your wealth and soul to exterminating the White race?
    Some other wicked machination that would shock our soul?


    So I ask you: Do you agree objectively that Durov is highly intelligent? You must. Do you agree he values Freedom, in some sense? You must. He was able to create a product that billions of people use and value. None of us have done that. If they can ruin his life, what chance do we have?

    We are all Durov. We are all Assange. We are all Derrick Chauvin. The only hope us peasants have at this point in time is for some country to have pity on us and nuke us back to subsistence farming. Don't believe me?

    Thumb your nose at the Blob. It will grind you to dust.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @seventabs, @MoT

    When one competes with The Blob one may either capitulate and be “absorbed” by it or fight tooth and nail to destroy it. There’s no “living with” The Blob.

    • Agree:TKK
    • Replies:@Avery
    @MoT

    Resistance is futile: you WILL be absorbed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkFqIOKtV9U

  • Anyone who’s taking “selfies” on a phone, where it’s clearly obvious, and posting them for the world to see is to be avoided. That’s the kind of narcissism that’ll bite you on the ass.

  • @Commentator Mike
    @William Everett

    Armenia turned its back on Putin and Russia, wrongly accusing them for the loss of Nagoro Karabah even though the Armenian government eventually recognised Azerbaijan's claim. Then Armenia decided to leave CSTO and started cooperating with the French military and closing deals to import French weapons, and probably plans to join NATO at some point. This made Azerbaijan angry, as there are still unsettled questions of territory, and so they raised the indigenous people of New Caledonia against France, which is now arming their enemy, Armenia. Russia tried to be neutral in this dispute and ensure peace but now that Armenia has turned to the West, which is at war with Russia, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan. I was curious why the New Caledonian rebels were waving Azerbaijan's flag but it seems now obvious that Azerbaijan gave them their support through Telegram, angering the French.

    Replies: @William Everett

    Thank you for your reply. All of this is unsettling because it leads us closer to WW3.

    “”It’s clear to us that Israel has an interest in keeping a military presence in Azerbaijan, using its territory to observe Iran,” Armenian diplomat Tigran Balayan said.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-weapons-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-sources-data/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-russia-giving-ukraine-early-warning-systems-2024-3?op=1

    So, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan, which appears to be partnered with Israel, because Azerbaijan considers Iran its main threat. Israel is arming Ukraine with high tech defense weapons, whose government is now Jewish and whose leader announced that Ukraine is part of “Greater Israel” and whose parents are living a secure life of luxury in Israel. Putin says that NATO and “the Saxons” are fighting a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine.

    Yet, the entire Ukraine situation seems to be the work of Deep State Jewish “Neocons,” who are the controllers of the Biden puppet regime (essentially admitted to by Putin in the Carlson interview) many of who have Ukrainian Jewish heritage (long standing Jewish grudges) and none of which appear to be Protestant or Heritage Americans.

    This causes me to wonder or speculate about a couple of things:

    1) Did Jewish “Neocons” (agents of Israel positioned in high Western positions) corrupt the Armenian government to turn to the Globalist powers they control, with the hidden agenda of setting another fuse in place to assure WW3? (They seem to want WW3 pretty badly. They insanely believe it will fulfill their grand genocidal prophecy. Playing both sides of every coin is one of their primary characteristics.)

    2) It appears impossible for Putin to call out Russia’s true enemy. How or why is this?

    • Agree:MoT
    • Replies:@ariadna
    @William Everett

    2) It looks like that. Lots of speculations as to why...

    Replies: @ariadna, @ariadna

    ,@Commentator Mike
    @William Everett

    The alliances in this coming WWIII are interlinked in complicated ways. In this WWIII allies in one theatre may become foes in another. For example, Iran is supplying weapons to Russia for the SMO in the Ukraine and is its ally against ISIS in Syria but if there is a big war between Azerbaijan (with Turkey) and Armenia, Iran could well back the Armenians, while the Russians would probably stay neutral. Muslims tend to be united against Israel, although few are actively fighting against it, yet they have rivalries among each other with potential war breweeng between Algeria and Morocco. In Libya, Turkey and Russia seem to be backing opposite sides. And who knows what is going on in the war in Sudan and who is backing whom there or why?

    In reply to your questions.

    (1) Yes.

    (2) Russia (and China) will go against Israel only up to a point. Jews are probably quite dominant in Russia (most oligarchs seem to be Jews) so Putin doesn't want to anger them or lose their backing. There are also many Russians in Israel, and perhaps Russians see Israel as an American outpost in the Middle East rather than being the controller of the US. So Putin is trying to hold back Iran from seeking revenge for Israeli attacks on It. I think Russians and Chinese still hope for some two state diplomatic solutions.

  • @Anon001
    @Poupon Marx


    ... Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent ...
     
    Proof?

    It does not seem so [1].

    P.S. I do know that you are just trashing him, as you are Putin's QAnon - similar to Martyanov, Saker, Simplicius, Duran (Cristoforou, Mercouris), Ritter, Escobar, et.al.

    [1] Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy | Articles Archive Substack
    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

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    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Slavski – an obvious pseudonym – is an individual or collective effort that is the vehicle for factions in Russian political that are against Putin’s political side, which is 87% of the population. Most of these are losers, inadequate men who lack the intellect and capability to be more than back benchers in life and politics. People like CIA operative Navalny, worthless and empthy rhetoric generators.

    They remind me of the anti-Central Bandk Governeor opponents and ideologues who have constantly advocated antiquated Keynesian policies for Russia over the last 24 some odd years. Before Elvira Nabiullina, the finances of Russia were like flubber, with no coherency and driven by academic theory and silly people with acronyms after their names.

    An anthology of articles by this slobsky are found on Unz:https://www.unz.com/author/rolo-slavski/

    I am a very fast reader, and speeding through several articles leaves me with the strong foundation that this is a poseur without sources, concrete real time data, or practicality. He confines himself to rapid fire varying opinions with no support or reference. The entire Kamala like blender word salad and puree is just plain stupid, not informative, and just enough condescension to tickle the young and weak minded. In short, people like you. A third hand sourcer and relying on the second hand reports of people you don’t know and have little familiarity.

    In a prosaic and rhetorical world, phonies like you are harder to spot than those dopes in the engineering world. My job consisted of getting rid of people like you, by developing the tools and perceptions to see through your shallow and generalized puffery. You are mediocre and hum drum, thin soup, and expired leftovers.

    Don’t take my dismissal of you personally. You might be a perfectly nice little nabob. But you are nothing more than a transvestite librarian who generates many words, but says almost nothing.

    • LOL:Notsofast
  • @anon
    @valconius


    tcp packets
     
    Identity services are a key piece of infrastructure that has been subsumed (by design imo) into higher services that require it. I remember when ICQ first came out and it quite bugged me that beyond the initial handshake with central service to establish connection, they (Israeli company of course) required all further packets to be mediated by the central server.

    P2P and Zero Knowledge are key to the communication systems a free Humanity requires. Issues remain regarding ISPs (which historically going back to the telephone network have been partners with national level spooks world over) and their integrity. So DDoS of specific protocols, ports, deep packet sniffing, all that remain obstacles to free speech networks. To go around that -- the use of the 'protocol' must be opaque or it can be trivially blocked -- requires a degree of sophistication that is at least an order of magnitude more involved.

    'Interestingly enough', VCs of SV never ever supported ZK or true P2P companies. There is, as a matter of practical fact, an 'industrial policy directorate' in the West that determines who and what gets funded and promoted (cue bare chested titans of tech) and starting in late 90s all approaches that would create the 'utopia' that the same SV crowd promoted in 80s and 90s was snuffed in the cradle.

    Basically, until and unless there is network infrastructure that is free -- you know, satellites and earth-bound transceivers -- and unless your hardware stack is malware/backdoor free -- you know, build your own boxes from literally ground up -- there is really *no general public solution* to counter state or commercial interference, tracking, spying, or denying of network communications.

    Replies: @peterAUS

    Issues remain regarding ISPs (which historically going back to the telephone network have been partners with national level spooks world over) and their integrity.

    To go around that — the use of the ‘protocol’ must be opaque or it can be trivially blocked — requires a degree of sophistication that is at least an order of magnitude more involved.

    Basically, until and unless there is network infrastructure that is free — you know, satellites and earth-bound transceivers — and unless your hardware stack is malware/backdoor free — you know, build your own boxes from literally ground up — there is really*no general public solution* to counter state or commercial interference, tracking, spying, or denying of network communications

    Yep.

    You are probably aware of the topic:
    https://msofka.github.io/projects/malware/#:~:text=One%20way%20to%20identify%20malware,utilized%20to%20identify%20malicious%20software.
    Would you have some idea(s) as to how an individual, even a small group of average individuals, could set something like that? Detect that traffic leaving their little LAN through the ISP router? Hardware/software stack and procedure(s)?
    Not a chat for this online pub, of course. A link or two would be much appreciated.

  • @JewishNumberOne
    There is zero right to hate speech

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Jim H, @Darkstar, @Gerbils, @ariadna

    JewishNumberOne,

    As a sovereign human being you are not only allowed to “hate” who ever you choose and at least currently in the USA you can say it loud to whoever you choose. Another persons “hurt feelings” are of no concern to the “hate speech” of someone else.
    Just because you might not want to hear it, you have no right to interfere with my thoughts, ideas and the speech I choose.
    But you are free to plug your ears and walk away.
    Or if you have the ability to have a rational debate on why you don’t like/agree with my speech maybe I will choose to have that conversation.

    We are both free to speak our minds.

    Cheers

    • Replies:@anonymous
    @Darkstar

    This is not true. Jigs, fatties, queers, the ugly, and the dim are too sensitive to hear any discouraging words. Free speech is a luxury of the genetically lucky and cannot be allowed n any society that aspires to equality. Your position can be likened to allowing pitchers to hit in baseball. Archaic.

    Replies: @Darkstar

  • White Americanism = Cucking to Jews = American Christianity = HBD = Jewish Supremacism.

    https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1832444059904045150

  • @Poupon Marx
    @Anon001

    Rather informative. Your inclusion of Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent, diminishes your overall credibility. Your profile of Durov is probably correct. His "girlfriend" appears to be tasty bimbo of the "just another pretty face" sub-species. The very rich, who are usually very intelligent, very frequently choose to fertilize women similar to a model/cover girl appearance; one that quickly fades. I've found such women to be a bright flame that burns out quickly. There isn't much to talk about (embarrassingly) after making ham sandwiches - with a pickle.

    Very high intelligence is positively - greater than the general population ( ≤ 1 standard deviation- is correlated with neurotic and psychopathy higher than normal. These include narcissism, psychopathic and sociopathic traits, affective disorder, and the ability to sustain self-delusion at a higher rate and extreme). Anecdotally, a quick look at the founders and CEOs of the largest companies in America reveals a cohort of criminal psychopathy, extreme narcissism, and a constellation of mental disorders. Lacking empathy is an understatement.

    https://www.quora.com/What-mental-disorders-correlate-with-high-intelligence


    ELI5: Why is there such a strong correlation between creativity and mental illness?

    Jimi Hendrix, Van Gogh, Ian Curtis, Syd Barret, Poe, Michaelangelo, Robert Frost, all these people suffered from pretty severe forms of depression, bipolar disorder, OCD and the like. I myself am a musician and a writer suffering from BPD, OCD, anxiety and depression, and I'm very much curious on the correlation between mental illness and creative expression. Why is it so common for people with mental illnesses to express their emotions through creative means such as music, painting, writing and such?

    There are a bazillion studies that link mental illness to increased creativity/genius. I don't know why so many people are questioning this on this thread. Here's a study from 2012 that looked at 1.2 million people and their relatives and found a link: http://www.livescience.com/24023-study-strengthens-link-between-creativity-and-mental-illness.html Also, if you check the wiki page, you can find numerous other studies confirming the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness

    Now that that is established, we can address why. I'm not sure if a definitive reason has been discovered, but I can tell you about my personal experience. First, I am infinitely better at painting while I am majorly depressed. We're talking about to commit suicide depressed. In this state, my depression is overwhelming, and I almost crave to paint and express myself. This is an extreme state that normal people do not experience (or rarely experience). As such, I can provide insight into human emotion that is elusive for most people. I can express a degree of emotion that most people do not even know exists. How can a happy/normal person accurately portray such an extreme emotion as major depression? They can't. So when people experience the art of someone who accurately depicts emotions so poignantly, it's very moving. Hey, now you've become a great artist. As pertains to bipolar disorder, these individuals are incredibly creative while in both a manic or depressed state. While manic, ideas flood your head at an enormous rate, and at the same time, you feel like you can conquer the world. These people will often be more successful than normal people simply because they have more ideas and the motivation (a god-like belief) to see them through. Mental illness pertains to the extremes of human thought and emotion, and so it is linked to creativity, thinking outside of the norm, and changes to how the world can be seen.
     

    https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/47bxic/eli5_why_is_there_such_a_strong_correlation/

    Replies: @Anon001

    … Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent …

    Proof?

    It does not seem so [1].

    P.S. I do know that you are just trashing him, as you are Putin’s QAnon – similar to Martyanov, Saker, Simplicius, Duran (Cristoforou, Mercouris), Ritter, Escobar, et.al.

    [1] Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy | Articles Archive Substack
    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

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    • Replies:@Poupon Marx
    @Anon001

    Slavski - an obvious pseudonym - is an individual or collective effort that is the vehicle for factions in Russian political that are against Putin's political side, which is 87% of the population. Most of these are losers, inadequate men who lack the intellect and capability to be more than back benchers in life and politics. People like CIA operative Navalny, worthless and empthy rhetoric generators.

    They remind me of the anti-Central Bandk Governeor opponents and ideologues who have constantly advocated antiquated Keynesian policies for Russia over the last 24 some odd years. Before Elvira Nabiullina, the finances of Russia were like flubber, with no coherency and driven by academic theory and silly people with acronyms after their names.

    An anthology of articles by this slobsky are found on Unz: https://www.unz.com/author/rolo-slavski/

    I am a very fast reader, and speeding through several articles leaves me with the strong foundation that this is a poseur without sources, concrete real time data, or practicality. He confines himself to rapid fire varying opinions with no support or reference. The entire Kamala like blender word salad and puree is just plain stupid, not informative, and just enough condescension to tickle the young and weak minded. In short, people like you. A third hand sourcer and relying on the second hand reports of people you don't know and have little familiarity.

    In a prosaic and rhetorical world, phonies like you are harder to spot than those dopes in the engineering world. My job consisted of getting rid of people like you, by developing the tools and perceptions to see through your shallow and generalized puffery. You are mediocre and hum drum, thin soup, and expired leftovers.

    Don't take my dismissal of you personally. You might be a perfectly nice little nabob. But you are nothing more than a transvestite librarian who generates many words, but says almost nothing.

  • In case John Helmer’s blog link [1] is not included in author’s bio here at TUR.

    [1] John Helmer Blog | Dances With Bears
    https://johnhelmer.net

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  • I had similar questions. Doesn’t Helmer’s essay add trivia that muddies the waters on what is clearly major story pointing us at very crucial issues about the Internet… issues that are rarely addressed forthrightly in public discourse. Would Durov have been more worthy if he had been in a position to simply phone up daddy for a few more billions from time to time to get his Internet platform up and running?

    It seems he has had to struggle and innovate on the financial front in order to develop an Internet resource that affords privacy to the messaging of all sides in important conflicts and that doesn’t go along with censorship to protect floozy propositions like…. Israel has a right to defend itself or that Anti-Zionism amounts to antisemitism.

    In conducting research I was amazed to discover how important Telegram had been in providing the vehicle for Hamas to tell its side of the story to a global audience on October 7. Moreover Telegram has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of copious hacked Israeli files. The hacking, encrypted protection and downloading of this Israeli files including from Israeli military contractors, hospitals, universities and more has been underway at unprecedented levels since the US-Israeli genocide got in gear.

    Usually this kind of news would be highlighted on Unz, not pushed to the side it is in Helmers actuarial commentary.

    Please see my new essay

    https://anthonyjhall.substack.com/p/durov-is-an-internet-freedom-fighter

    Durov is apparently facing some financial hardships and menacing legal harassment for not playing along with the intelligence establishment. Telegram faces extra challenges because it wasn’t initiated as CIA or US Armed Forces spyware. Those looking into the effort to criminalize Durov and Telegram will want to play close attention to the role of the Zionist heavy hitters in the unfolding spectacle.

  • @Anonymous534
    Oy vey! Thank Hashem for the SEC and anonymous sources, the guardians of our democracy.

    Why is this on TUR front page?

    Replies: @Tony Hall

    I had similar questions. Doesn’t Helmer’s essay add trivia that muddies the waters on what is clearly major story pointing us at very crucial issues about the Internet… issues that are rarely addressed forthrightly in public discourse. Would Durov have been more worthy if he had been in a position to simply phone up daddy for a few more billions from time to time to get his Internet platform up and running?

    It seems he has had to struggle and innovate on the financial front in order to develop an Internet resource that affords privacy to the messaging of all sides in important conflicts and that doesn’t go along with censorship to protect floozy propositions like…. Israel has a right to defend itself or that Anti-Zionism amounts to antisemitism.

    In conducting research I was amazed to discover how important Telegram had been in providing the vehicle for Hamas to tell its side of the story to a global audience on October 7. Moreover Telegram has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of copious hacked Israeli files. The hacking, encrypted protection and downloading of these Israeli files, including from Israeli military contractors, hospitals, universities and more, has been underway at unprecedented levels since the US-Israeli genocide got in gear.

    Usually this kind of news would be highlighted on Unz, not pushed to the side as it is in Helmers actuarial commentary.

    Please see my new essay

    https://anthonyjhall.substack.com/p/durov-is-an-internet-freedom-fighter

    Durov is apparently facing some financial hardships and menacing legal harassment for not playing along with the intelligence establishment. Telegram faces extra challenges because it wasn’t initiated as CIA or US Armed Forces spyware. Those looking into the effort to criminalize Durov and Telegram will want to play close attention to the role of the Zionist heavy hitters in the unfolding spectacle.

    • Agree:peterAUS,lavoisier
    • Replies:@Tashtar
    @Tony Hall

    Closings Telegram would be bingo for Russia.

  • trying to get the ecosystem economy going, those are all exciting things.

    Such utter gaslighting bullshit! The only ecosystem that can occur is an ecosystem that includes Ecology.

    Durov claims that an ecosystem can be created from Mammon!

    This is identical to the other misappropriation of established definitions by the Red Sea Pedestrians such as Holocaust, Semite and Genocide.

  • I think all those “tech billionaires” are just fronts for spook agencies, basically actors.
    Zuck, Musk, Bezos, etc. Durov probably the same, just for different agencies.

  • @Anon001
    Durov, just like Maria Butina [3], and many other Russians, has become a victim of his love for and his trust in the West [1].

    [1] Pavel Durov’s Naivete Was His Achilles’ Heel by Andrew Korybko | Substack
    https://korybko.substack.com/p/pavel-durovs-naivete-was-his-achilles

    Excerpt from [1]: Durov’s naivete about the West’s perceived “virtuousness” vis-à-vis Russia directly resulted in his arrest since he’d have never set foot in the EU again had he sobered up from his ideological delusions and realized that he’d become this New Cold War bloc’s enemy due to their lack of control over Telegram.

    Excerpt from [1]: Once his platform’s popularity began to explode in the West and turn against its elites’ interests, just like how it initially was used against those non-Western countries’ where it was instrumental in organizing Color Revolutions, he should have known that he’d be targeted with the full weight of the law. Once again, everything comes back to Durov’s naivete and his unrealistic worldview, which was decisively discredited by the West after that that New Cold War bloc just discredited itself as well with his arrest.

    [2] Andrew Korybko's Articles | Substack
    https://korybko.substack.com/archive?sort=new

    [3] Maria Butina - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

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    Here's what another observer [4] had to say about all this:

    Excerpt from [4]: Also, it occurs to me that the timing of this arrests also coincides neatly with Putin declaring that Telegram would be censored and bloggers forced to get posting licenses from the Kremlin if they had more than 10K subscribers. Could he have called up his once very close friend Macron and asked for a favor?

    Excerpt from [4]: Durov, contrary to what ZAnon will tell you, does not have many friends in Russia. He had to flee the country after Igor Setchin and the FSB came after him. Prior to that, he had already had Vkontakte stolen from him by Setchin and his goons. As a result, Durov refused to help the Kremlin investigate the people involved in the protests against the Kremlin. Durov made a post showing Putin the middle finger following the Bolotnaya protests.

    Excerpt from [4]: There is a famous photo of Telegram founder Pavel Durov giving Putin his middle finger. In 2011, Durov said that the Russian government had requested him to cancel the accounts of anti-government figures on his social media platform. Durov not only did not follow, but also publicly released this photo of "raising the middle finger to Putin" in the media, which received cheers from the West.

    [4] Another Week of Doom and Gloom in the Slavlands | Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy Substack | 2024-08
    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/another-week-of-doom-and-gloom-in

    [5] Articles Archive | Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy Substack
    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

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    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Rather informative. Your inclusion of Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent, diminishes your overall credibility. Your profile of Durov is probably correct. His “girlfriend” appears to be tasty bimbo of the “just another pretty face” sub-species. The very rich, who are usually very intelligent, very frequently choose to fertilize women similar to a model/cover girl appearance; one that quickly fades. I’ve found such women to be a bright flame that burns out quickly. There isn’t much to talk about (embarrassingly) after making ham sandwiches – with a pickle.

    Very high intelligence is positively – greater than the general population ( ≤ 1 standard deviation- is correlated with neurotic and psychopathy higher than normal. These include narcissism, psychopathic and sociopathic traits, affective disorder, and the ability to sustain self-delusion at a higher rate and extreme). Anecdotally, a quick look at the founders and CEOs of the largest companies in America reveals a cohort of criminal psychopathy, extreme narcissism, and a constellation of mental disorders. Lacking empathy is an understatement.

    https://www.quora.com/What-mental-disorders-correlate-with-high-intelligence

    [MORE]

    ELI5: Why is there such a strong correlation between creativity and mental illness?

    Jimi Hendrix, Van Gogh, Ian Curtis, Syd Barret, Poe, Michaelangelo, Robert Frost, all these people suffered from pretty severe forms of depression, bipolar disorder, OCD and the like. I myself am a musician and a writer suffering from BPD, OCD, anxiety and depression, and I’m very much curious on the correlation between mental illness and creative expression. Why is it so common for people with mental illnesses to express their emotions through creative means such as music, painting, writing and such?

    There are a bazillion studies that link mental illness to increased creativity/genius. I don’t know why so many people are questioning this on this thread. Here’s a study from 2012 that looked at 1.2 million people and their relatives and found a link:http://www.livescience.com/24023-study-strengthens-link-between-creativity-and-mental-illness.html Also, if you check the wiki page, you can find numerous other studies confirming the link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness

    Now that that is established, we can address why. I’m not sure if a definitive reason has been discovered, but I can tell you about my personal experience. First, I am infinitely better at painting while I am majorly depressed. We’re talking about to commit suicide depressed. In this state, my depression is overwhelming, and I almost crave to paint and express myself. This is an extreme state that normal people do not experience (or rarely experience). As such, I can provide insight into human emotion that is elusive for most people. I can express a degree of emotion that most people do not even know exists. How can a happy/normal person accurately portray such an extreme emotion as major depression? They can’t. So when people experience the art of someone who accurately depicts emotions so poignantly, it’s very moving. Hey, now you’ve become a great artist. As pertains to bipolar disorder, these individuals are incredibly creative while in both a manic or depressed state. While manic, ideas flood your head at an enormous rate, and at the same time, you feel like you can conquer the world. These people will often be more successful than normal people simply because they have more ideas and the motivation (a god-like belief) to see them through. Mental illness pertains to the extremes of human thought and emotion, and so it is linked to creativity, thinking outside of the norm, and changes to how the world can be seen.

    https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/47bxic/eli5_why_is_there_such_a_strong_correlation/

    • Replies:@Anon001
    @Poupon Marx


    ... Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent ...
     
    Proof?

    It does not seem so [1].

    P.S. I do know that you are just trashing him, as you are Putin's QAnon - similar to Martyanov, Saker, Simplicius, Duran (Cristoforou, Mercouris), Ritter, Escobar, et.al.

    [1] Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy | Articles Archive Substack
    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

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    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  • Happy to see you used it, Ron.

  • @TKK
    Push back against the Western Blob of Control and you are bankrupted, imprisoned, indicted or killed.

    He is a victim of the Blob, that ever expanding steel spider web of laws, regulations, taxes and fees that has strangled Freedom forever. He showed a real handicap in his understanding of the World now. He believed he was free because he was an International Jet Setter with some cash and otherworldly IT prowess, flexing with Tucker, cultivating a persona of mystery.

    The Blob is the greatest threat to humans since the Black Death.

    Micro level: Thumb your nose of building codes. You will be bankrupted with fines and prison. Your house will be destroyed.

    Macro level: Roam around the world on your private jet, believing you are a global citizen, naively believing that the Blob is not going to extract their pound of flesh.

    Once you start dipping your toe in any type of large money schemes, you are signaling your willingness to "play ball". Jump through all the hoops, pay all the fines, and most importantly- be loyal to the System. Truly, I am not "connected" enough to know what price is expected if you want to joint the private jet class:

    Have sex with a child?
    Participate in a blood ritual honoring Satan?
    Pledge your wealth and soul to exterminating the White race?
    Some other wicked machination that would shock our soul?


    So I ask you: Do you agree objectively that Durov is highly intelligent? You must. Do you agree he values Freedom, in some sense? You must. He was able to create a product that billions of people use and value. None of us have done that. If they can ruin his life, what chance do we have?

    We are all Durov. We are all Assange. We are all Derrick Chauvin. The only hope us peasants have at this point in time is for some country to have pity on us and nuke us back to subsistence farming. Don't believe me?

    Thumb your nose at the Blob. It will grind you to dust.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @seventabs, @MoT

    Yes. Pretty bizarre article on unz that defends the globohomo’s right to take one’s freedom or money whenever it wants.

    Pricewaterhouse Coopers this! FTC that!

    It totally is the case that Durov isn’t perfect, but he puts work and makes services that people can use for free. What globohomo does? Yeah.

    • Agree:Anonymousrgc,TKK
    • Replies:@Tashtar
    @seventabs

    Not bizarre if you consider writer is close to Kremlin and Russian state is not happy with Telegram.

  • anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghali
    You have to wonder how a Russian guy with basic English can rise to such a status if he is doing ordinary things. Durov – with quad citizen - is praised by the Russian media as a hero who cares about "free speech" and "human rights" - both do not exist in Russia. Durov (like many of his peers) is a tool of the police state. How did he get there?

    Replies: @One Nobody, @anonymous, @Bill Jones

    Durov’s father Valery Semenovich Durov is a Doctor of Philological Sciences and the author of academic papers. Since 1992 he has been head of the Department of classical philology of the philological faculty of Saint Petersburg State University

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=Durov%27s%20father%20Valery%20Semenovich%20Durov%20is%20a%20Doctor%20of%20Philological%20Sciences%20and%20the%20author%20of%20academic%20papers.%20Since%201992%20he%20has%20been%20head%20of%20the%20Department%20of%20classical%20philology%20of%20the%20philological%20faculty%20of%20Saint%20Petersburg%20State%20University

    During his university years Durov created the highly popular forum spbgu.ru. In 2006, he met his former classmate Vyacheslav Mirilashvili in Saint Petersburg. Vyacheslav showed Durov the increasingly popular Facebook, after which the friends decided to create a new Russian social network. Lev Binzumovich Leviev, an Israeli classmate of Vyacheslav Mirilashivili, became the third co-founder. Durov became chief executive officer (CEO) and attracted his older brother Nikolai, a multiple winner of international math and programming competitions, to develop the site

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=During%20his%20university,develop%20the%20site

    He is the younger brother of Nikolai Durov, who joined him in founding Telegram and served as lead developer, programmer, and architect of the project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=He%20is%20the%20younger%20brother%20of%20Nikolai%20Durov%2C%20who%20joined%20him%20in%20founding%20Telegram%20and%20served%20as%20lead%20developer%2C%20programmer%2C%20and%20architect%20of%20the%20project

    Competing as “Nikolai Dourov”, he won gold at the International Mathematical Olympiad in the three years he participated of 1996, 1997, and 1998.[5] Furthermore, participating in each yearly contest from 1995 through 1998, he accrued three silver medals and one gold medal in the International Olympiad in Informatics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Durov#:~:text=Competing%20as%20%22Nikolai,Olympiad%20in%20Informatics

  • @Gerald the Frog
    Thank you for this detailed article, which forces a reality check on the many naive people (especially on this site) who magnify dubious characters and turn them into heroes and role models. The fact that the Western powers, by pure opportunism, are making use of the obvious malfeasance of these crooks (Andrew Tate comes to mind) does not change the facts.

    The character's appearance alone (private jet, fake blond fake boobs prostitute, and his links with Dubai) were also red flags.

    There is also this mania of all these wannabe tech moguls to copy the mentally ill Steve Jobs (the black outfits ). What a little prick.

    Finally, the phone number traffic.
    Of. Course.
    That's why I NEVER wanted this shit. ( And Instagram, FB, Snapchat, all this garbage)
    All those Telegram-type apps are honey traps, and so are all social networks. Especially for computer-illiterate people who are incapable of protecting themselves.

    Replies: @Rich23

    The Gift of Discernment.
    You see it.

  • @One Nobody
    @Rich23

    I would push that Professor Andresj Lobaczewski's work on Ponorology should be required reading for any holder of public office,
    After reading your analysis of Durov, I wish to ask you if you met the man and knew him well.
    Durov may be a "Spellbinder" in your mind, however, he does provide a service found useful by many. If you understood Ponorology or lived in a society similar to the society which Lobaczewski lived in, you would have realized that evil, as embodied in the oligatchic mafia, is a whirlpool that pulls any who's instinct is survival.

    Ask your self this: if you were forced to chose between taking the gold or receiving the lead, would you refuse the gold, knowing what's next?

    Here is a question for Mr. John Helmer: what did the US Regulators do with Bankman-Fried until the very rich got mad?

    Do we live in times where the Muslim boogeyman is not enough, to ease our addiction to projecting our evil on others? Will we need more boogeymen, after Russia, China, NK, Venezuela and Iran? What's next?, the whole human race?

    Replies: @Rich23

    SBF is the interesting case study not because Sam is, was, and ever shall be a rather unattractive, yet briefly successful con-artist. I don’t know SBF either. Lobaczewski knew very few of his subjects. Physicians are privileged by law to intimate views of patients. Nevertheless those views represent a rather impoverished understanding of the same individual compared to their intimate partner.
    And so on.
    Both guys, SBF and Pavel Durov, are “of a type” and acquisitive as hell.

    Acquisitive projective identification is their calling card, sine qua non, pathognomic for their condition and, of course, as you point out, what they allow us to see.

    The people are in an enamored state and primed for the seduction almost constantly.
    Just what, One Nobody, can do that and why can so very few resist?

  • I tried to find dope on Yulia Vavilova and the top search results are Mossad. We need to get moose and squirrel on this one.

  • @Che Guava
    @Rich23

    Perhaps Durov's steroid use (clearly visible in his many shirtless photos) also influences his mentality. Those chemicals are said to have such effects.

    In any case, a very interesting article. Never used Telegram, thinking of it, but IIRC, it requires a working telephone number.

    Replies: @Rich23

    I use WeChat, but not for monetary transactions and because I have a few Chinese friends.
    Interestingly, a disembodied Asian entity recently tried to seduce me into using Telegram or WhatsApp to communicate with her. So, after a few more ordinary texts and no movement of me to either other platform, Asian entity lost interest in me.

    You said ‘telephone number’….
    ….and I say, “Bingo!”.

    • Replies:@Che Guava
    @Rich23

    I have an older friend, neither speaks nor writes English, lately he's been adventuring in Facebook with the use of automated translation. A former taxi driver, he stopped that because of too few fares under coronomania.

    Also a self-trained artist, I wrote several letters to several very rich people for him to try to sell his good-at-times art.

    None passed the office staff.

    So, on Facebook, he found an account under the name Elon Musk Tesla 1, I don't know what happened later, but he challenged Elon Musk Tesla 1 to prove that he is a real person, and two videos appeared. Except for fingers under the chin, and (as I see in retrospect, that may have been not natural motion), also the voice had digital distortion.

    Haven't seen my friend for a couple of weeks, but he says the reply fromElon Musk Tesla 1 was a request for cash. Do want to see the exchange.

    Perhaps they have perfected the A.I. models, after all, Musk's fortunes are largely built on government handouts, so an A.I. Musk model would naturally ask for money.

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  • anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @valconius
    None of this would matter if people realized they could like just send tcp packets to each other, like, omg, all this retarded stuff is like saying, "I know your current paper supplier supplies your office with printer paper, but I think you should use us instead because we offer you authentic non-printer-compatible Egyptian papyrus at 500% markup plus 3rd-party non-certificated scribes on retainer, except we also scan and store a copy of your private business communications so that we can sell them to your business rivals who don't buy papyrus from us." This is completely retarded and everyone who uses apps should feel bad for being dumb.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @anon

    tcp packets

    Identity services are a key piece of infrastructure that has been subsumed (by design imo) into higher services that require it. I remember when ICQ first came out and it quite bugged me that beyond the initial handshake with central service to establish connection, they (Israeli company of course) required all further packets to be mediated by the central server.

    P2P and Zero Knowledge are key to the communication systems a free Humanity requires. Issues remain regarding ISPs (which historically going back to the telephone network have been partners with national level spooks world over) and their integrity. So DDoS of specific protocols, ports, deep packet sniffing, all that remain obstacles to free speech networks. To go around that — the use of the ‘protocol’ must be opaque or it can be trivially blocked — requires a degree of sophistication that is at least an order of magnitude more involved.

    ‘Interestingly enough’, VCs of SV never ever supported ZK or true P2P companies. There is, as a matter of practical fact, an ‘industrial policy directorate’ in the West that determines who and what gets funded and promoted (cue bare chested titans of tech) and starting in late 90s all approaches that would create the ‘utopia’ that the same SV crowd promoted in 80s and 90s was snuffed in the cradle.

    Basically, until and unless there is network infrastructure that is free — you know, satellites and earth-bound transceivers — and unless your hardware stack is malware/backdoor free — you know, build your own boxes from literally ground up — there is really*no general public solution* to counter state or commercial interference, tracking, spying, or denying of network communications.

    • Replies:@peterAUS
    @anon


    Issues remain regarding ISPs (which historically going back to the telephone network have been partners with national level spooks world over) and their integrity.
     

    To go around that — the use of the ‘protocol’ must be opaque or it can be trivially blocked — requires a degree of sophistication that is at least an order of magnitude more involved.
     

    Basically, until and unless there is network infrastructure that is free — you know, satellites and earth-bound transceivers — and unless your hardware stack is malware/backdoor free — you know, build your own boxes from literally ground up — there is really *no general public solution* to counter state or commercial interference, tracking, spying, or denying of network communications

     

    Yep.

    You are probably aware of the topic:
    https://msofka.github.io/projects/malware/#:~:text=One%20way%20to%20identify%20malware,utilized%20to%20identify%20malicious%20software.
    Would you have some idea(s) as to how an individual, even a small group of average individuals, could set something like that? Detect that traffic leaving their little LAN through the ISP router? Hardware/software stack and procedure(s)?
    Not a chat for this online pub, of course. A link or two would be much appreciated.
  • @William Everett
    As a member of an ethnicity being exterminated by various "indirect" means under Jewish direction, I would like to understand more about the Armenian situation and connection to this topic. On the surface, it looks like the Jews are helping Moslems commit acts of genocide against Christians who seem to appear more White than their Moslem counterparts. It also seems that UN Globalism is adding a layer of political complexity to this tragedy as desperate Armenians struggle to secure a future existence.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-10-06/israeli-arms-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-to-dismay-of-armenians

    https://apnews.com/article/armenia-icc-russia-3bd422845c2db17bd7636027290cc7ff

    https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-ends-military-alliance-with-russia-pm-nikol-pashinyan-confirms/

    "Milner" is a Jewish name, according to some sources. What role does or did the Russian Jewish oligarchy play in the persecution of Armenian Christians in Nagorno-Karabakh?

    Did Putin favor Azerbaijan prior to Armenia's fallout with Russia? Did Putin (declared on TUR by A. Anglin to be "the Hammer of Christ") champion the Christian Armenians, or not; and if not, why not?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    Armenia turned its back on Putin and Russia, wrongly accusing them for the loss of Nagoro Karabah even though the Armenian government eventually recognised Azerbaijan’s claim. Then Armenia decided to leave CSTO and started cooperating with the French military and closing deals to import French weapons, and probably plans to join NATO at some point. This made Azerbaijan angry, as there are still unsettled questions of territory, and so they raised the indigenous people of New Caledonia against France, which is now arming their enemy, Armenia. Russia tried to be neutral in this dispute and ensure peace but now that Armenia has turned to the West, which is at war with Russia, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan. I was curious why the New Caledonian rebels were waving Azerbaijan’s flag but it seems now obvious that Azerbaijan gave them their support through Telegram, angering the French.

    • Replies:@William Everett
    @Commentator Mike

    Thank you for your reply. All of this is unsettling because it leads us closer to WW3.

    ""It’s clear to us that Israel has an interest in keeping a military presence in Azerbaijan, using its territory to observe Iran,” Armenian diplomat Tigran Balayan said."

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-weapons-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-sources-data/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-russia-giving-ukraine-early-warning-systems-2024-3?op=1

    So, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan, which appears to be partnered with Israel, because Azerbaijan considers Iran its main threat. Israel is arming Ukraine with high tech defense weapons, whose government is now Jewish and whose leader announced that Ukraine is part of "Greater Israel" and whose parents are living a secure life of luxury in Israel. Putin says that NATO and "the Saxons" are fighting a proxy war with Russia in the Ukraine.

    Yet, the entire Ukraine situation seems to be the work of Deep State Jewish "Neocons," who are the controllers of the Biden puppet regime (essentially admitted to by Putin in the Carlson interview) many of who have Ukrainian Jewish heritage (long standing Jewish grudges) and none of which appear to be Protestant or Heritage Americans.

    This causes me to wonder or speculate about a couple of things:

    1) Did Jewish "Neocons" (agents of Israel positioned in high Western positions) corrupt the Armenian government to turn to the Globalist powers they control, with the hidden agenda of setting another fuse in place to assure WW3? (They seem to want WW3 pretty badly. They insanely believe it will fulfill their grand genocidal prophecy. Playing both sides of every coin is one of their primary characteristics.)

    2) It appears impossible for Putin to call out Russia's true enemy. How or why is this?

    Replies: @ariadna, @Commentator Mike

  • @JewishNumberOne
    There is zero right to hate speech

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Jim H, @Darkstar, @Gerbils, @ariadna

    ‘There is zero right to hate speech’ — JewishNumberOne

    ‘Hate speech’ is a Jew-invented canard which got incorporated into various criminal codes, in order to oppress so-called antisemites (another absurd canard).

    Free speech includes statements which Jews falsely, self-servingly label as hate speech.

    • Agree:MoT
  • We need more articles like this. Bravo!

  • @TKK
    Push back against the Western Blob of Control and you are bankrupted, imprisoned, indicted or killed.

    He is a victim of the Blob, that ever expanding steel spider web of laws, regulations, taxes and fees that has strangled Freedom forever. He showed a real handicap in his understanding of the World now. He believed he was free because he was an International Jet Setter with some cash and otherworldly IT prowess, flexing with Tucker, cultivating a persona of mystery.

    The Blob is the greatest threat to humans since the Black Death.

    Micro level: Thumb your nose of building codes. You will be bankrupted with fines and prison. Your house will be destroyed.

    Macro level: Roam around the world on your private jet, believing you are a global citizen, naively believing that the Blob is not going to extract their pound of flesh.

    Once you start dipping your toe in any type of large money schemes, you are signaling your willingness to "play ball". Jump through all the hoops, pay all the fines, and most importantly- be loyal to the System. Truly, I am not "connected" enough to know what price is expected if you want to joint the private jet class:

    Have sex with a child?
    Participate in a blood ritual honoring Satan?
    Pledge your wealth and soul to exterminating the White race?
    Some other wicked machination that would shock our soul?


    So I ask you: Do you agree objectively that Durov is highly intelligent? You must. Do you agree he values Freedom, in some sense? You must. He was able to create a product that billions of people use and value. None of us have done that. If they can ruin his life, what chance do we have?

    We are all Durov. We are all Assange. We are all Derrick Chauvin. The only hope us peasants have at this point in time is for some country to have pity on us and nuke us back to subsistence farming. Don't believe me?

    Thumb your nose at the Blob. It will grind you to dust.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @seventabs, @MoT

    A completely word-perfect and hugely-important comment. Thank you for being highly-intelligent, and highly-perceptive, when so much of the world is heading in the opposite direction.

    But I also now believe absolutely in armed resistance, which at some point will become open and unavoidable. We are – also – all Palestinians now.

    • Agree:Bro43rd
    • Thanks:TKK
    • Replies:@TKK
    @Dave Bowman

    Thanks so much, Brother.
    It means a lot.

  • @JewishNumberOne
    There is zero right to hate speech

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Jim H, @Darkstar, @Gerbils, @ariadna

    Your seven words have lowered the IQ of this forum. If that’s the best you can do, it’s not enough. Please leave.

  • Haxo Angmark [AKA "chuck lowe"] says: • Website

    Excellent article.

    That said, this shit is way, way above my pay grade and intellectual ability to understand all of the variables. I am, as one commenter mentioned, “computer illiterate”.

    I love this website though.

    Even though I feel like an idiot when I read some of the offerings and many of the comments from folks who are obviously very smart, I trust that Mr. Unz will always put it all out there for everyone to make their own decisions.

    On topics like this, old geezers like me, wait for consensus from our betters here at Unz.com

  • @valconius
    None of this would matter if people realized they could like just send tcp packets to each other, like, omg, all this retarded stuff is like saying, "I know your current paper supplier supplies your office with printer paper, but I think you should use us instead because we offer you authentic non-printer-compatible Egyptian papyrus at 500% markup plus 3rd-party non-certificated scribes on retainer, except we also scan and store a copy of your private business communications so that we can sell them to your business rivals who don't buy papyrus from us." This is completely retarded and everyone who uses apps should feel bad for being dumb.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @anon

    This is completely retarded and everyone who uses apps should feel bad for being dumb

    LOL

    It’s called “Idiocracy”, and apparently it’s all the rage !

  • Push back against the Western Blob of Control and you are bankrupted, imprisoned, indicted or killed.

    He is a victim of the Blob, that ever expanding steel spider web of laws, regulations, taxes and fees that has strangled Freedom forever. He showed a real handicap in his understanding of the World now. He believed he was free because he was an International Jet Setter with some cash and otherworldly IT prowess, flexing with Tucker, cultivating a persona of mystery.

    The Blob is the greatest threat to humans since the Black Death.

    Micro level: Thumb your nose of building codes. You will be bankrupted with fines and prison. Your house will be destroyed.

    Macro level: Roam around the world on your private jet, believing you are a global citizen, naively believing that the Blob is not going to extract their pound of flesh.

    Once you start dipping your toe in any type of large money schemes, you are signaling your willingness to “play ball”. Jump through all the hoops, pay all the fines, and most importantly- be loyal to the System. Truly, I am not “connected” enough to know what price is expected if you want to joint the private jet class:

    Have sex with a child?
    Participate in a blood ritual honoring Satan?
    Pledge your wealth and soul to exterminating the White race?
    Some other wicked machination that would shock our soul?

    So I ask you: Do you agree objectively that Durov is highly intelligent? You must. Do you agree he values Freedom, in some sense? You must. He was able to create a product that billions of people use and value. None of us have done that. If they can ruin his life, what chance do we have?

    We are all Durov. We are all Assange. We are all Derrick Chauvin. The only hope us peasants have at this point in time is for some country to have pity on us and nuke us back to subsistence farming. Don’t believe me?

    Thumb your nose at the Blob. It will grind you to dust.

    • Agree:peterAUS
    • Replies:@Dave Bowman
    @TKK

    A completely word-perfect and hugely-important comment. Thank you for being highly-intelligent, and highly-perceptive, when so much of the world is heading in the opposite direction.

    But I also now believe absolutely in armed resistance, which at some point will become open and unavoidable. We are - also - all Palestinians now.

    Replies: @TKK

    ,@seventabs
    @TKK

    Yes. Pretty bizarre article on unz that defends the globohomo's right to take one's freedom or money whenever it wants.

    Pricewaterhouse Coopers this! FTC that!

    It totally is the case that Durov isn't perfect, but he puts work and makes services that people can use for free. What globohomo does? Yeah.

    Replies: @Tashtar

    ,@MoT
    @TKK

    When one competes with The Blob one may either capitulate and be "absorbed" by it or fight tooth and nail to destroy it. There's no "living with" The Blob.

    Replies: @Avery

  • anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @One Nobody
    @Ghali

    How did he? and how did those of Facebook, Twitter, Elon, Shield and the rest.l?

    Replies: @anon

    How did he? and how did those of Facebook, Twitter, Elon, Shield and the rest.l?

    That’s the whole point! It’s the same game. (You forgot Steve Jobs, btw. Order from on high (HQ) forced Xerox-Parc geeks to hand over the tech to Apple. They didn’t want to do it when they first dropped by the lab ..)

    Simply the fact that he perches in UAE is enough. Honest and moral and ethical individuals would likely not suffer the air in Dubai for more than 1 day. It is the Switzerland of 21st century, and just like Switzerland, it is a “neutral” playground for the lords and masters to ‘do business’ while outside they ‘make war’ (and sadly you and yours get to die)

  • Bizarre that Tucker never asked Durov how Telegram makes its money. But if Durov personally ever needs to hide behind Telegram’s limited liability corporate status, Tucker drew out a slam-dunk case for piercing the corporate veil: Durov and Telegram are one.

  • Don’t be too smug, Helmer. They may well be coming for you next. “Sources” told me so

  • The Russbots will be triggered!

  • “Pavel saw himself as a mysterious prince, misunderstood and sought after by everyone.”

    Ecclesiastes 1:2-8 KJV

    Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

    • Agree:Rich23
  • There is zero right to hate speech

    • Replies:@Dave Bowman
    @JewishNumberOne

    Your seven words have lowered the IQ of this forum. If that's the best you can do, it's not enough. Please leave.

    ,@Jim H
    @JewishNumberOne

    'There is zero right to hate speech' -- JewishNumberOne

    'Hate speech' is a Jew-invented canard which got incorporated into various criminal codes, in order to oppress so-called antisemites (another absurd canard).

    Free speech includes statements which Jews falsely, self-servingly label as hate speech.

    ,@Darkstar
    @JewishNumberOne

    JewishNumberOne,

    As a sovereign human being you are not only allowed to "hate" who ever you choose and at least currently in the USA you can say it loud to whoever you choose. Another persons "hurt feelings" are of no concern to the "hate speech" of someone else.
    Just because you might not want to hear it, you have no right to interfere with my thoughts, ideas and the speech I choose.
    But you are free to plug your ears and walk away.
    Or if you have the ability to have a rational debate on why you don't like/agree with my speech maybe I will choose to have that conversation.

    We are both free to speak our minds.

    Cheers

    Replies: @anonymous

    ,@Gerbils
    @JewishNumberOne

    I hate people who mutilate and suck bloody baby dicks. Is that illegal now?

    ,@ariadna
    @JewishNumberOne

    Rejoice!
    Israel ill consider imposing a death sentence on some "hate speech" for B'Tselem activists who publicize Israel's crimes against humanity in Gaza and the West Bank.
    I am in fact surprised that B'tselem has survived this long in that hellhole of collective sociopathy.

    Replies: @ariadna

  • @Rich23
    Thank you John Helmer.

    Durov and his ilk seduce so many intelligent people.
    His ilk represent the sign of our times perfectly elucidated by Andresj Lobaczewski in his Political Ponerology and explicated in your case study of Confidence Man nonpareil, Pavel Durov.

    Durov and his fellow fraudulent financial wizards are the latest iteration in Lobaczewski's perfectly descriptive term, Spellbinders.
    Billionaire status takes the Spellbinder's seductiveness to an unprecedented level.

    From my perspective, physician, father, retired senior Naval officer, the people appear intoxicated, maybe drugged on a large scale because again as you described, Durov is a rather low level, unconvincing psychopath....megalomania being his only remarkable trait


    Again, Thank you John Helmer

    Replies: @Che Guava, @One Nobody

    I would push that Professor Andresj Lobaczewski’s work on Ponorology should be required reading for any holder of public office,
    After reading your analysis of Durov, I wish to ask you if you met the man and knew him well.
    Durov may be a “Spellbinder” in your mind, however, he does provide a service found useful by many. If you understood Ponorology or lived in a society similar to the society which Lobaczewski lived in, you would have realized that evil, as embodied in the oligatchic mafia, is a whirlpool that pulls any who’s instinct is survival.

    Ask your self this: if you were forced to chose between taking the gold or receiving the lead, would you refuse the gold, knowing what’s next?

    Here is a question for Mr. John Helmer: what did the US Regulators do with Bankman-Fried until the very rich got mad?

    Do we live in times where the Muslim boogeyman is not enough, to ease our addiction to projecting our evil on others? Will we need more boogeymen, after Russia, China, NK, Venezuela and Iran? What’s next?, the whole human race?

    • Thanks:Joe Levantine
    • Replies:@Rich23
    @One Nobody

    SBF is the interesting case study not because Sam is, was, and ever shall be a rather unattractive, yet briefly successful con-artist. I don’t know SBF either. Lobaczewski knew very few of his subjects. Physicians are privileged by law to intimate views of patients. Nevertheless those views represent a rather impoverished understanding of the same individual compared to their intimate partner.
    And so on.
    Both guys, SBF and Pavel Durov, are “of a type” and acquisitive as hell.

    Acquisitive projective identification is their calling card, sine qua non, pathognomic for their condition and, of course, as you point out, what they allow us to see.

    The people are in an enamored state and primed for the seduction almost constantly.
    Just what, One Nobody, can do that and why can so very few resist?

  • @Ghali
    You have to wonder how a Russian guy with basic English can rise to such a status if he is doing ordinary things. Durov – with quad citizen - is praised by the Russian media as a hero who cares about "free speech" and "human rights" - both do not exist in Russia. Durov (like many of his peers) is a tool of the police state. How did he get there?

    Replies: @One Nobody, @anonymous, @Bill Jones

    How did he? and how did those of Facebook, Twitter, Elon, Shield and the rest.l?

    • Replies:@anon
    @One Nobody


    How did he? and how did those of Facebook, Twitter, Elon, Shield and the rest.l?
     
    That's the whole point! It's the same game. (You forgot Steve Jobs, btw. Order from on high (HQ) forced Xerox-Parc geeks to hand over the tech to Apple. They didn't want to do it when they first dropped by the lab ..)

    -

    Simply the fact that he perches in UAE is enough. Honest and moral and ethical individuals would likely not suffer the air in Dubai for more than 1 day. It is the Switzerland of 21st century, and just like Switzerland, it is a "neutral" playground for the lords and masters to 'do business' while outside they 'make war' (and sadly you and yours get to die)
  • None of this would matter if people realized they could like just send tcp packets to each other, like, omg, all this retarded stuff is like saying, “I know your current paper supplier supplies your office with printer paper, but I think you should use us instead because we offer you authentic non-printer-compatible Egyptian papyrus at 500% markup plus 3rd-party non-certificated scribes on retainer, except we also scan and store a copy of your private business communications so that we can sell them to your business rivals who don’t buy papyrus from us.” This is completely retarded and everyone who uses apps should feel bad for being dumb.

    • Replies:@Dave Bowman
    @valconius


    This is completely retarded and everyone who uses apps should feel bad for being dumb
     
    LOL

    It's called "Idiocracy", and apparently it's all the rage !
    ,@anon
    @valconius


    tcp packets
     
    Identity services are a key piece of infrastructure that has been subsumed (by design imo) into higher services that require it. I remember when ICQ first came out and it quite bugged me that beyond the initial handshake with central service to establish connection, they (Israeli company of course) required all further packets to be mediated by the central server.

    P2P and Zero Knowledge are key to the communication systems a free Humanity requires. Issues remain regarding ISPs (which historically going back to the telephone network have been partners with national level spooks world over) and their integrity. So DDoS of specific protocols, ports, deep packet sniffing, all that remain obstacles to free speech networks. To go around that -- the use of the 'protocol' must be opaque or it can be trivially blocked -- requires a degree of sophistication that is at least an order of magnitude more involved.

    'Interestingly enough', VCs of SV never ever supported ZK or true P2P companies. There is, as a matter of practical fact, an 'industrial policy directorate' in the West that determines who and what gets funded and promoted (cue bare chested titans of tech) and starting in late 90s all approaches that would create the 'utopia' that the same SV crowd promoted in 80s and 90s was snuffed in the cradle.

    Basically, until and unless there is network infrastructure that is free -- you know, satellites and earth-bound transceivers -- and unless your hardware stack is malware/backdoor free -- you know, build your own boxes from literally ground up -- there is really *no general public solution* to counter state or commercial interference, tracking, spying, or denying of network communications.

    Replies: @peterAUS

  • The use of Telegram by the Azeris to help raise the anti-French rebellion in New Caledonia probably explains the rage of the French authorities. The West wants to exclusively use social media to promote colour revolutions against governments they wish to target, and here we have an anti-Western anti-colonialist revolution enabled by Telegram. Not sure how much the rest of this article is believable or relevant as the Western governments want to discredit Durov and Telegram.

    • Agree:Bro43rd
    • Replies:@Tony Hall
    @Commentator Mike

    Discredit Durov and Telegram for helping an anti-colonial liberation struggle.... on Unz! Say it isn't so!

  • As a member of an ethnicity being exterminated by various “indirect” means under Jewish direction, I would like to understand more about the Armenian situation and connection to this topic. On the surface, it looks like the Jews are helping Moslems commit acts of genocide against Christians who seem to appear more White than their Moslem counterparts. It also seems that UN Globalism is adding a layer of political complexity to this tragedy as desperate Armenians struggle to secure a future existence.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-10-06/israeli-arms-quietly-helped-azerbaijan-retake-nagorno-karabakh-to-dismay-of-armenians

    https://apnews.com/article/armenia-icc-russia-3bd422845c2db17bd7636027290cc7ff

    https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-ends-military-alliance-with-russia-pm-nikol-pashinyan-confirms/

    “Milner” is a Jewish name, according to some sources. What role does or did the Russian Jewish oligarchy play in the persecution of Armenian Christians in Nagorno-Karabakh?

    Did Putin favor Azerbaijan prior to Armenia’s fallout with Russia? Did Putin (declared on TUR by A. Anglin to be “the Hammer of Christ”) champion the Christian Armenians, or not; and if not, why not?

    • Replies:@Commentator Mike
    @William Everett

    Armenia turned its back on Putin and Russia, wrongly accusing them for the loss of Nagoro Karabah even though the Armenian government eventually recognised Azerbaijan's claim. Then Armenia decided to leave CSTO and started cooperating with the French military and closing deals to import French weapons, and probably plans to join NATO at some point. This made Azerbaijan angry, as there are still unsettled questions of territory, and so they raised the indigenous people of New Caledonia against France, which is now arming their enemy, Armenia. Russia tried to be neutral in this dispute and ensure peace but now that Armenia has turned to the West, which is at war with Russia, Russia is getting closer to Azerbaijan. I was curious why the New Caledonian rebels were waving Azerbaijan's flag but it seems now obvious that Azerbaijan gave them their support through Telegram, angering the French.

    Replies: @William Everett

  • @Rich23
    Thank you John Helmer.

    Durov and his ilk seduce so many intelligent people.
    His ilk represent the sign of our times perfectly elucidated by Andresj Lobaczewski in his Political Ponerology and explicated in your case study of Confidence Man nonpareil, Pavel Durov.

    Durov and his fellow fraudulent financial wizards are the latest iteration in Lobaczewski's perfectly descriptive term, Spellbinders.
    Billionaire status takes the Spellbinder's seductiveness to an unprecedented level.

    From my perspective, physician, father, retired senior Naval officer, the people appear intoxicated, maybe drugged on a large scale because again as you described, Durov is a rather low level, unconvincing psychopath....megalomania being his only remarkable trait


    Again, Thank you John Helmer

    Replies: @Che Guava, @One Nobody

    Perhaps Durov’s steroid use (clearly visible in his many shirtless photos) also influences his mentality. Those chemicals are said to have such effects.

    In any case, a very interesting article. Never used Telegram, thinking of it, but IIRC, it requires a working telephone number.

    • LOL:Gvaltar
    • Replies:@Rich23
    @Che Guava

    I use WeChat, but not for monetary transactions and because I have a few Chinese friends.
    Interestingly, a disembodied Asian entity recently tried to seduce me into using Telegram or WhatsApp to communicate with her. So, after a few more ordinary texts and no movement of me to either other platform, Asian entity lost interest in me.

    You said ‘telephone number’….
    ….and I say, “Bingo!”.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  • Macron miscalculated and is on the exit ramp.

    Durov grew up in Italy. I doubt he is naive at all.
    Macron however has just undermined an election result he created. He fashioned a coalition to obstruct Le Pen and RN and will not honour the result in Parliament.

    Barnier is not even an MP and his party came fourth. Macron faces new elections and France is ungovernable.

    Macron needed a distraction and no doubt his ally Thierry Breton who was castigated by EU Commission for his threats to X during a US Election turned to Macron for help. Macron put Breton in place as price for vdL being re-appointed

    Durov was a distraction. Keep the children busy while he destabilises France. Macron is importing huge amounts of LNG from Russia and faces disruption in nuclear power stations. Winter will not be kind to France

  • Thank you for this detailed article, which forces a reality check on the many naive people (especially on this site) who magnify dubious characters and turn them into heroes and role models. The fact that the Western powers, by pure opportunism, are making use of the obvious malfeasance of these crooks (Andrew Tate comes to mind) does not change the facts.

    The character’s appearance alone (private jet, fake blond fake boobs prostitute, and his links with Dubai) were also red flags.

    There is also this mania of all these wannabe tech moguls to copy the mentally ill Steve Jobs (the black outfits ). What a little prick.

    Finally, the phone number traffic.
    Of. Course.
    That’s why I NEVER wanted this shit. ( And Instagram, FB, Snapchat, all this garbage)
    All those Telegram-type apps are honey traps, and so are all social networks. Especially for computer-illiterate people who are incapable of protecting themselves.

    • Thanks:Sarah
    • Replies:@Rich23
    @Gerald the Frog

    The Gift of Discernment.
    You see it.

  • So Helmer is a mothpiece of some organization and it is stupid to do business with PWC.
    This is good to know.

  • Boy Paul was too busy rowing (in the gym and in bed)…;

  • Oy vey! Thank Hashem for the SEC and anonymous sources, the guardians of our democracy.

    Why is this on TUR front page?

    • Agree:Bro43rd
    • Replies:@Tony Hall
    @Anonymous534

    I had similar questions. Doesn't Helmer's essay add trivia that muddies the waters on what is clearly major story pointing us at very crucial issues about the Internet... issues that are rarely addressed forthrightly in public discourse. Would Durov have been more worthy if he had been in a position to simply phone up daddy for a few more billions from time to time to get his Internet platform up and running?

    It seems he has had to struggle and innovate on the financial front in order to develop an Internet resource that affords privacy to the messaging of all sides in important conflicts and that doesn't go along with censorship to protect floozy propositions like.... Israel has a right to defend itself or that Anti-Zionism amounts to antisemitism.

    In conducting research I was amazed to discover how important Telegram had been in providing the vehicle for Hamas to tell its side of the story to a global audience on October 7. Moreover Telegram has played a crucial role in the global dissemination of copious hacked Israeli files. The hacking, encrypted protection and downloading of these Israeli files, including from Israeli military contractors, hospitals, universities and more, has been underway at unprecedented levels since the US-Israeli genocide got in gear.

    Usually this kind of news would be highlighted on Unz, not pushed to the side as it is in Helmers actuarial commentary.

    Please see my new essay

    https://anthonyjhall.substack.com/p/durov-is-an-internet-freedom-fighter

    Durov is apparently facing some financial hardships and menacing legal harassment for not playing along with the intelligence establishment. Telegram faces extra challenges because it wasn't initiated as CIA or US Armed Forces spyware. Those looking into the effort to criminalize Durov and Telegram will want to play close attention to the role of the Zionist heavy hitters in the unfolding spectacle.

    Replies: @Tashtar

  • Thank you, Mister Helmer.

    Guess we’re going to see more Ads on Telegram soon…

    I’m not on X/TWTR, so I rely a bit on Telegram and Foreign News/Blogs to see what goes on beyond NATO pwn’d Territories…

    I don’t mind about seeing a few more ads – since I usually see them at the Bottom of Channel Postings; and I did get exposed to several Channels that reliably provided News+Video Feeds from RUS and AltMedia.

    Ron Paul, OANN, NewsMax, Jimmy Dore, Trump Jr – quite a few AltMedia have Channels there.

    Surprisingly, the recently Sanctioned RT and Sputnik are Blocked on Telegram in Murica – citing Local Laws. 3rd Parties have attempted workarounds; but they usually get stopped.

  • You have to wonder how a Russian guy with basic English can rise to such a status if he is doing ordinary things. Durov – with quad citizen – is praised by the Russian media as a hero who cares about “free speech” and “human rights” – both do not exist in Russia. Durov (like many of his peers) is a tool of the police state. How did he get there?

    • Replies:@One Nobody
    @Ghali

    How did he? and how did those of Facebook, Twitter, Elon, Shield and the rest.l?

    Replies: @anon

    ,@anonymous
    @Ghali


    Durov's father Valery Semenovich Durov is a Doctor of Philological Sciences and the author of academic papers. Since 1992 he has been head of the Department of classical philology of the philological faculty of Saint Petersburg State University
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=Durov%27s%20father%20Valery%20Semenovich%20Durov%20is%20a%20Doctor%20of%20Philological%20Sciences%20and%20the%20author%20of%20academic%20papers.%20Since%201992%20he%20has%20been%20head%20of%20the%20Department%20of%20classical%20philology%20of%20the%20philological%20faculty%20of%20Saint%20Petersburg%20State%20University

    During his university years Durov created the highly popular forum spbgu.ru. In 2006, he met his former classmate Vyacheslav Mirilashvili in Saint Petersburg. Vyacheslav showed Durov the increasingly popular Facebook, after which the friends decided to create a new Russian social network. Lev Binzumovich Leviev, an Israeli classmate of Vyacheslav Mirilashivili, became the third co-founder. Durov became chief executive officer (CEO) and attracted his older brother Nikolai, a multiple winner of international math and programming competitions, to develop the site
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=During%20his%20university,develop%20the%20site

    He is the younger brother of Nikolai Durov, who joined him in founding Telegram and served as lead developer, programmer, and architect of the project
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov#Early_life_and_education:~:text=He%20is%20the%20younger%20brother%20of%20Nikolai%20Durov%2C%20who%20joined%20him%20in%20founding%20Telegram%20and%20served%20as%20lead%20developer%2C%20programmer%2C%20and%20architect%20of%20the%20project

    Competing as "Nikolai Dourov", he won gold at the International Mathematical Olympiad in the three years he participated of 1996, 1997, and 1998.[5] Furthermore, participating in each yearly contest from 1995 through 1998, he accrued three silver medals and one gold medal in the International Olympiad in Informatics
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Durov#:~:text=Competing%20as%20%22Nikolai,Olympiad%20in%20Informatics
    ,@Bill Jones
    @Ghali


    both do not exist in Russia.
     
    Keep drinking that coolaid.
  • Thank you John Helmer.

    Durov and his ilk seduce so many intelligent people.
    His ilk represent the sign of our times perfectly elucidated by Andresj Lobaczewski in his Political Ponerology and explicated in your case study of Confidence Man nonpareil, Pavel Durov.

    Durov and his fellow fraudulent financial wizards are the latest iteration in Lobaczewski’s perfectly descriptive term, Spellbinders.
    Billionaire status takes the Spellbinder’s seductiveness to an unprecedented level.

    From my perspective, physician, father, retired senior Naval officer, the people appear intoxicated, maybe drugged on a large scale because again as you described, Durov is a rather low level, unconvincing psychopath….megalomania being his only remarkable trait

    Again, Thank you John Helmer

    • Agree:Gerald the Frog
    • Replies:@Che Guava
    @Rich23

    Perhaps Durov's steroid use (clearly visible in his many shirtless photos) also influences his mentality. Those chemicals are said to have such effects.

    In any case, a very interesting article. Never used Telegram, thinking of it, but IIRC, it requires a working telephone number.

    Replies: @Rich23

    ,@One Nobody
    @Rich23

    I would push that Professor Andresj Lobaczewski's work on Ponorology should be required reading for any holder of public office,
    After reading your analysis of Durov, I wish to ask you if you met the man and knew him well.
    Durov may be a "Spellbinder" in your mind, however, he does provide a service found useful by many. If you understood Ponorology or lived in a society similar to the society which Lobaczewski lived in, you would have realized that evil, as embodied in the oligatchic mafia, is a whirlpool that pulls any who's instinct is survival.

    Ask your self this: if you were forced to chose between taking the gold or receiving the lead, would you refuse the gold, knowing what's next?

    Here is a question for Mr. John Helmer: what did the US Regulators do with Bankman-Fried until the very rich got mad?

    Do we live in times where the Muslim boogeyman is not enough, to ease our addiction to projecting our evil on others? Will we need more boogeymen, after Russia, China, NK, Venezuela and Iran? What's next?, the whole human race?

    Replies: @Rich23

  • Durov, just like Maria Butina [3], and many other Russians, has become a victim of his love for and his trust in the West [1].

    [1] Pavel Durov’s Naivete Was His Achilles’ Heel by Andrew Korybko | Substack
    https://korybko.substack.com/p/pavel-durovs-naivete-was-his-achilles

    Excerpt from [1]: Durov’s naivete about the West’s perceived “virtuousness” vis-à-vis Russia directly resulted in his arrest since he’d have never set foot in the EU again had he sobered up from his ideological delusions and realized that he’d become this New Cold War bloc’s enemy due to their lack of control over Telegram.

    Excerpt from [1]: Once his platform’s popularity began to explode in the West and turn against its elites’ interests, just like how it initially was used against those non-Western countries’ where it was instrumental in organizing Color Revolutions, he should have known that he’d be targeted with the full weight of the law. Once again, everything comes back to Durov’s naivete and his unrealistic worldview, which was decisively discredited by the West after that that New Cold War bloc just discredited itself as well with his arrest.

    [2] Andrew Korybko’s Articles | Substack
    https://korybko.substack.com/archive?sort=new

    [3] Maria Butina – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

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    Here’s what another observer [4] had to say about all this:

    Excerpt from [4]: Also, it occurs to me that the timing of this arrests also coincides neatly with Putin declaring that Telegram would be censored and bloggers forced to get posting licenses from the Kremlin if they had more than 10K subscribers. Could he have called up his once very close friend Macron and asked for a favor?

    Excerpt from [4]: Durov, contrary to what ZAnon will tell you, does not have many friends in Russia. He had to flee the country after Igor Setchin and the FSB came after him. Prior to that, he had already had Vkontakte stolen from him by Setchin and his goons. As a result, Durov refused to help the Kremlin investigate the people involved in the protests against the Kremlin. Durov made a post showing Putin the middle finger following the Bolotnaya protests.

    Excerpt from [4]: There is a famous photo of Telegram founder Pavel Durov giving Putin his middle finger. In 2011, Durov said that the Russian government had requested him to cancel the accounts of anti-government figures on his social media platform. Durov not only did not follow, but also publicly released this photo of “raising the middle finger to Putin” in the media, which received cheers from the West.

    [4] Another Week of Doom and Gloom in the Slavlands | Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy Substack | 2024-08
    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/another-week-of-doom-and-gloom-in

    [5] Articles Archive | Rurik Skywalker / Rolo Slavskiy Substack
    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

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    • Replies:@Poupon Marx
    @Anon001

    Rather informative. Your inclusion of Rolo Slavsky, an apparent Mossad agent, diminishes your overall credibility. Your profile of Durov is probably correct. His "girlfriend" appears to be tasty bimbo of the "just another pretty face" sub-species. The very rich, who are usually very intelligent, very frequently choose to fertilize women similar to a model/cover girl appearance; one that quickly fades. I've found such women to be a bright flame that burns out quickly. There isn't much to talk about (embarrassingly) after making ham sandwiches - with a pickle.

    Very high intelligence is positively - greater than the general population ( ≤ 1 standard deviation- is correlated with neurotic and psychopathy higher than normal. These include narcissism, psychopathic and sociopathic traits, affective disorder, and the ability to sustain self-delusion at a higher rate and extreme). Anecdotally, a quick look at the founders and CEOs of the largest companies in America reveals a cohort of criminal psychopathy, extreme narcissism, and a constellation of mental disorders. Lacking empathy is an understatement.

    https://www.quora.com/What-mental-disorders-correlate-with-high-intelligence


    ELI5: Why is there such a strong correlation between creativity and mental illness?

    Jimi Hendrix, Van Gogh, Ian Curtis, Syd Barret, Poe, Michaelangelo, Robert Frost, all these people suffered from pretty severe forms of depression, bipolar disorder, OCD and the like. I myself am a musician and a writer suffering from BPD, OCD, anxiety and depression, and I'm very much curious on the correlation between mental illness and creative expression. Why is it so common for people with mental illnesses to express their emotions through creative means such as music, painting, writing and such?

    There are a bazillion studies that link mental illness to increased creativity/genius. I don't know why so many people are questioning this on this thread. Here's a study from 2012 that looked at 1.2 million people and their relatives and found a link: http://www.livescience.com/24023-study-strengthens-link-between-creativity-and-mental-illness.html Also, if you check the wiki page, you can find numerous other studies confirming the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness

    Now that that is established, we can address why. I'm not sure if a definitive reason has been discovered, but I can tell you about my personal experience. First, I am infinitely better at painting while I am majorly depressed. We're talking about to commit suicide depressed. In this state, my depression is overwhelming, and I almost crave to paint and express myself. This is an extreme state that normal people do not experience (or rarely experience). As such, I can provide insight into human emotion that is elusive for most people. I can express a degree of emotion that most people do not even know exists. How can a happy/normal person accurately portray such an extreme emotion as major depression? They can't. So when people experience the art of someone who accurately depicts emotions so poignantly, it's very moving. Hey, now you've become a great artist. As pertains to bipolar disorder, these individuals are incredibly creative while in both a manic or depressed state. While manic, ideas flood your head at an enormous rate, and at the same time, you feel like you can conquer the world. These people will often be more successful than normal people simply because they have more ideas and the motivation (a god-like belief) to see them through. Mental illness pertains to the extremes of human thought and emotion, and so it is linked to creativity, thinking outside of the norm, and changes to how the world can be seen.
     

    https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/47bxic/eli5_why_is_there_such_a_strong_correlation/

    Replies: @Anon001

  • This is just a killer article. What a take-down.

    • Agree:Notsofast
  • I once worked for a black-owned and operated psychiatry practice and pain management clinic in Las Vegas that served exclusively Medicaid patients. As I quickly learned, Medicaid is rife with fraudulent billing. It’s a jackpot for people who are willing falsely to claim they served patients or who provided services patients didn’t want or need....
  • Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lula
    Mat., I have no idea of your race nor do I care but it seems that in your description , true indeed, of Medicaid fraud, you seem to only or predominately talk about blacks. I have seen crooks on both sides of the ail and in between and I find your bias uncalled for...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    you seem to only or predominately talk about blacks.

    Indeed he does. ‘Cuz pattern-recognition, facts, and percentagesmatter, mein Lula. Not CRT jive. Por ejemplo:

    Blacks: 12% of America.

    Black males: 6%.

    Black males age 14-34: 3%

    Criminal black males age 14-34: 1.5%

    To wit: just 1.5% of the USA commits 54% of all violent crimes.

    So….do you similarly think that talking “predominately” about black crime is biased? Or justbased?

    Asking for a friend.

  • @Justvisiting

    It makes a mockery out of something I believe was set up with good intentions.
     
    People with "good intentions" are dangerous to themselves and others.

    .gov programs are ripped off because that is where the money is....

    I am more familiar with the block grant programs.

    Localities with black mayors and city councils rob it blind.

    They do get audited and caught from time to time--but apparently they think the benefit outweighs the risk.

    Replies: @Bro43rd

    Just like the majority of the pain clinics popping up everywhere. Medicaid/medicare fraud is rampant. Welfare is no better. Even the private side of medical care is rife with fraud due to gov’t meddling in the market. Medical insurance has been turned into a racquet, a stepbrother of medicaid. What’s the dissecting line between all this, gov’t meddling into what should be 100% a transaction between dr & patient. Ringo said it pretty clearly, “Whatever gov’t touches turns to crap”.

  • Mat., I have no idea of your race nor do I care but it seems that in your description , true indeed, of Medicaid fraud, you seem to only or predominately talk about blacks. I have seen crooks on both sides of the ail and in between and I find your bias uncalled for…

    • Replies:@Anonymous
    @Lula


    you seem to only or predominately talk about blacks.
     
    Indeed he does. 'Cuz pattern-recognition, facts, and percentagesmatter, mein Lula. Not CRT jive. Por ejemplo:

    Blacks: 12% of America.

    Black males: 6%.

    Black males age 14-34: 3%

    Criminal black males age 14-34: 1.5%

    To wit: just 1.5% of the USA commits 54% of all violent crimes.

    So....do you similarly think that talking "predominately" about black crime is biased? Or justbased?

    Asking for a friend.

  • Tell me again; the arguments against eugenics are … ?

  • anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Cities are full of these black crazies who act out in public. Although there’s white ones doing it also it seems to be a heavily black thing. Maybe it’s because they know they’ve got everybody intimidated and can get away with publicly threatening behavior. A huge amount of resources are wasted trying to prop up this population from birth to death, not just in health care, housing and welfare but in all areas such as the justice system, jails, police, etc. When they’re young it’s the educational system trying to teach them something, Special Ed classes, a real drain on the education budget. It’s all throwing good money after bad, a never ending colossal waste. Everything revolving around this population is going to be fraudulent to one extent or another since no one wants to come out and say that they’re just a waste of resources so let’s quit wasting our money.

  • How do otherwise decent and caring human beings in caring professions reconcile themselves with the fact that they’re dealing with human trash day in and day out like this? How do you resist the temptation to leave them to their devices or even better, try and put them out of their misery?

  • “….it’s a racket. It makes a mockery out of something I believe was set up with good intentions. There must be a private-sector solution to this madness, because government is terrible at catching fraud.”

    This just in: Medicaid , like Medicare, is just another government scam.

    [MORE]

    This also just in: the federal government has no constitutional business being involved in _any_ way in the mental or physical health of its citizens.

    So as well as Medicare being a scam, there is no constitutional authority for this particular scam, unlike, for example, the Post Office scam, which is constitutionally authorized, unfortunately 🙁

    The scam called “Medicare”, no different from 1000’s of other unconstitutional federal agencies, needs to be entirely abolished and replaced with _nothing_, immediately!

    “We’ve got to start us a new revolution
    And get back to the old constitution
    We’ve got to stand up and fight for the whole Bill of Rights
    Its time to start over again”

    From song: “New Revolution”:

    Regards onebornfree
    https://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/

  • Not too surprising, I guess. But still an incredible story! Thanks for this nuts-and-bolts article.

  • It makes a mockery out of something I believe was set up with good intentions.

    People with “good intentions” are dangerous to themselves and others.

    .gov programs are ripped off because that is where the money is….

    I am more familiar with the block grant programs.

    Localities with black mayors and city councils rob it blind.

    They do get audited and caught from time to time–but apparently they think the benefit outweighs the risk.

    • Replies:@Bro43rd
    @Justvisiting

    Just like the majority of the pain clinics popping up everywhere. Medicaid/medicare fraud is rampant. Welfare is no better. Even the private side of medical care is rife with fraud due to gov't meddling in the market. Medical insurance has been turned into a racquet, a stepbrother of medicaid. What's the dissecting line between all this, gov't meddling into what should be 100% a transaction between dr & patient. Ringo said it pretty clearly, "Whatever gov't touches turns to crap".

  • From a sworn legal document filed by John J. Ray III, the expert appointed CEO of FTX cryptocurrency company upon the November 11th resignation of major Democratic donor Sam Bankman-Fried: DECLARATION OF JOHN J. RAY III IN SUPPORT OF CHAPTER 11 PETITIONS AND FIRST DAY PLEADINGS I, John J. Ray III, hereby declare under penalty...
  • Sam Bankman-Fried Interviewed Live About the Collapse of FTX

    Video Link
    Nov 30, 2022

    Sam Bankman-Fried, co-founder of the cryptocurrency firm FTX, gave his first live interview since his company filed for bankruptcy. Andrew Ross-Sorkin of The New York Times asked Bankman-Fried to address allegations of fraud and mismanagement and whether the people and organizations who are owed money will get any of it back. Watch the full interview from the DealBook Summit event.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/01/business/dealbook/sam-bankman-fried-dealbook-interview-transcript.html
    https://archive.ph/8wniH
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1598210312125169665

  • @Colin Wright
    No one ever points out that the big players here are all Jews. I locate this as step three of five.

    This one is the one where the Jews get happy.

    Replies: @Anon, @James J. O'Meara, @Gandydancer, @anon

    Ah, but that’s just pure coincidence, Colin.
    As a very funny black comedian said recently, you get a herd of elephants, a gang of blacks, a mob of Italians, and a coincidence of Jews.

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ido6NrjGi2o

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Dieter Kief

    Take the Money and Run!


    Slow down, don’t move too fast.Don’t you want your wealth to last so/ Kick the can filled with pebble stones/ You’re wealthy ‘n’ young/ And feeling groovy!

  • @Trevor
    @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks.

    Interesting story about his girlfriend. Apparently she fled from Hong Kong to Dubai.


    CRYPTO KINKO: FTX bro's ex Caroline Ellison on BDSM, orgies, pills

     


    Besides her robust thoughts on sex and relationships, she has some opinions on crypto. She called it “mostly scams and memes.”
     
    https://torontosun.com/news/world/crypto-kinko-ftx-bros-ex-caroline-ellison-on-bdsm-orgies-pills

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Based on her proclivities, she should enjoy Dubai. It’s full of rich Arab men who enjoy treating women like sh*t.

  • @Trevor
    @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks.

    Interesting story about his girlfriend. Apparently she fled from Hong Kong to Dubai.


    CRYPTO KINKO: FTX bro's ex Caroline Ellison on BDSM, orgies, pills

     


    Besides her robust thoughts on sex and relationships, she has some opinions on crypto. She called it “mostly scams and memes.”
     
    https://torontosun.com/news/world/crypto-kinko-ftx-bros-ex-caroline-ellison-on-bdsm-orgies-pills

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Hapalong Cassidy

    BDSM – didn’t know that about Caroline Ellison. – What’s up next to be revealed? – Add all these details and you get a list of things it takes these days to be hide in the open.- This stuff is weird – “here’s flip city” (quote fromTwisted. Another one:

    My analyst told me that I was right out of my head
    But I said, “Dear doctor, I think that it’s you instead
    Because I, I’ve got a thing that’s unique and new
    To prove it I’ll have the last laugh on you
    ‘Cause instead of one head, I got two
    And you know two heads are better than one”

    https://genius.com/Joni-mitchell-twisted-lyrics

  • @That Would Be Telling
    @Trevor


    If one goes by looks, it seems weird that anyone would give money to SBF with his ... apparently unkempt overgrown jewfro.
     
    I think his general unprofessional appearance, including wearing a T-shirt, shorts etc. was a very clear and very bad sign for entrusting money to him.

    In his hair and clothing alone he signaled to the world that he was a non-conformist. As the liquidator and his teams are discovering, as the theme of this topic aptly puts it, this extended to the most basic of business record keeping norms. Not included by our host because there's so very much, this included even having lists of banks and bank accounts; it would be wild if this drug addled team actually had a bank account somewhere they're forgotten about with a couple of billion dollars.

    When Thomas Watson Sr. got enough control of the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (CTR) or as he renamed IBM, one thing he did because of thevery bad reputation of the field which he had contributed to was to make his salesmen dress like bankers. That's been relaxed in the banking field today, but they still dress professionally, in a way that does not discourage you from handing them cash or encourage checking the cash they hand you for counterfeits.

    Lots of of tells here of the most basic kind. Zuckerberg can get away with a higher level of informal dress (but not all the time) because social media is all about "moving fast and breaking things," unfortunately the latter including people. But his schemes for a Facebook cryptocurrency never went very far.

    Replies: @Trevor

    Thanks.

    Interesting story about his girlfriend. Apparently she fled from Hong Kong to Dubai.

    CRYPTO KINKO: FTX bro’s ex Caroline Ellison on BDSM, orgies, pills

    Besides her robust thoughts on sex and relationships, she has some opinions on crypto. She called it “mostly scams and memes.”

    https://torontosun.com/news/world/crypto-kinko-ftx-bros-ex-caroline-ellison-on-bdsm-orgies-pills

    • Replies:@Dieter Kief
    @Trevor

    BDSM - didn't know that about Caroline Ellison. - What's up next to be revealed? - Add all these details and you get a list of things it takes these days to be hide in the open.- This stuff is weird - "here's flip city" (quote fromTwisted. Another one:

    My analyst told me that I was right out of my head
    But I said, "Dear doctor, I think that it's you instead
    Because I, I've got a thing that's unique and new
    To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you
    'Cause instead of one head, I got two
    And you know two heads are better than one"

    https://genius.com/Joni-mitchell-twisted-lyrics

    ,@Hapalong Cassidy
    @Trevor

    Based on her proclivities, she should enjoy Dubai. It’s full of rich Arab men who enjoy treating women like sh*t.

  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Commenter AnotherDad has often mentioned the“parasitic verbalist overclass”.

    🤔 I think AD may be onto something…

    https://twitter.com/JessicaVaugn/status/1593115217277648896

    https://www.bostonreview.net/forum/barbara-fried-beyond-blame-moral-responsibility-philosophy-law/

    Beyond Blame

    The philosophy of personal responsibility has ruined criminal justice and economic policy. It’s time to move past blame.

    Barbara H. Fried
     

    https://news.stanford.edu/2017/05/08/biologist-robert-sapolsky-takes-human-behavior-free-will/

    Stanford biologist Robert Sapolsky ponders the best and worst of us, plus free will

    With the publication of his latest book, Robert Sapolsky tackles the best and worst of human behavior and the nature of justice in the absence of free will.
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/09/behave-by-robert-sapolsky-review

    Behave by Robert Sapolsky review – why do we do what we do?

    This magisterial account of human behaviour journeys from immediate brain response back to long-term social causes. It also suggests we have no free will
     
    Bonus:

    https://twitter.com/loffredojeremy/status/1593115059819274240

    Note: The above jpg sequence may be slightly ’shopped, but all elements are real:

    https://www.nytimes.com/events/dealbook-summit#overview

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/business/ukraine-zelensky-meta-zuckerberg-dealbook-summit-2022.html

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @PhysicistDave, @Thea, @James J. O'Meara, @mulga mumblebrain, @anon

    I am ready to accept that free will is a myth . That should be applicable to the society – to the collective free will . Thus the process leading to the hanging or crucifying or electrocuting the criminal shouldn’t be even debated .

  • @J.Ross
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    It's an unexpectedly Christie-ish story.


    Edward Doheny Jr. – whom everyone called Ned – was killed in his Beverly Hills home in 1929 by his crazed secretary, who then killed himself. His father, oil tycoon Edward Doheny Sr., was distraught over his son’s death and didn’t want to deal with land in Capistrano Beach that Ned bought a year earlier, so he donated about 44 acres of the undeveloped land to the state in 1931.

    Not the sweetest of stories – but it’s nevertheless how Doheny State Beach became what it is today.

    Doheny – the first California state beach ...
     
    https://www.ocregister.com/2006/06/24/down-doheny-way-for-75-years/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Edward Doheny Jr. – whom everyone called Ned – was killed in his Beverly Hills home in 1929 by his crazed secretary, who then killed himself.”

    Or vice-versa, according to Raymond Chandler’s recollection of how the story was reported in the LA papers on the first day — scion kills his male secretary, then kills himself — and how it was reported on the second day and ever after — secretary kills scion. Chandler was an oil company executive in Los Angeles at the time, so he read the newspaper accounts carefully. He had Philip Marlow recount the story to explain why he’s cynical about money, power, and the press.

    They were under subpoena to testify about the Tea Pot Dome scandal that old man Doheny was involved in.

    It’s the real life inspiration for “There Shall Be Blood,” but Paul Thomas Anderson, with his genius for not using good plots, left that part out.

  • @Alfa158
    @cool daddy jimbo

    The news stories I have seen said he promisedguaranteed 14% annual returns. That’s not sky high to a working or lower middle class person, who is just scraping by and needs a Lotto level hit to get prosperous. It is sky-high to anyone who is an upper tier investor, in fact it’s like hitting the Lotto.

    What I can’t understand is why all these smart people fell for it. If my investment manager told me he had aguaranteed 14% investment I would be running for the exit. I have to guess the Madoff clients were assuming that he was screwing some one else and sharing the booty with his clients.

    Replies: @Curle

    “I have to guess the Madoff clients were assuming that he was screwing some one else and sharing the booty with his clients.”

    Or, being Jews themselves, assumed he was scalping the goyim but leaving them alone. Isn’t that one explanation for throwing him to the wolves while providing an comparative protective shield for Epstein and Maxwell (they were pervs! : no need to look into spying).

  • @Trevor
    @HammerJack


    One additional thought: as weird as it seems to me that anyone would find her attractive at all, it’s unfathomably weird that anyone would give her $32 billion of OPM for safekeeping
     
    If one goes by looks, it seems weird that anyone would give money to SBF with his beady eyes, big nose, and apparently unkempt overgrown jewfro. Not to mention maybe at least a hint (or more) of an evil grin.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    If one goes by looks, it seems weird that anyone would give money to SBF with his … apparently unkempt overgrown jewfro.

    I think his general unprofessional appearance, including wearing a T-shirt, shorts etc. was a very clear and very bad sign for entrusting money to him.

    In his hair and clothing alone he signaled to the world that he was a non-conformist. As the liquidator and his teams are discovering, as the theme of this topic aptly puts it, this extended to the most basic of business record keeping norms. Not included by our host because there’s so very much, this included even having lists of banks and bank accounts; it would be wild if this drug addled team actually had a bank account somewhere they’re forgotten about with a couple of billion dollars.

    When Thomas Watson Sr. got enough control of the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (CTR) or as he renamed IBM, one thing he did because of thevery bad reputation of the field which he had contributed to was to make his salesmen dress like bankers. That’s been relaxed in the banking field today, but they still dress professionally, in a way that does not discourage you from handing them cash or encourage checking the cash they hand you for counterfeits.

    Lots of of tells here of the most basic kind. Zuckerberg can get away with a higher level of informal dress (but not all the time) because social media is all about “moving fast and breaking things,” unfortunately the latter including people. But his schemes for a Facebook cryptocurrency never went very far.

    • Replies:@Trevor
    @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks.

    Interesting story about his girlfriend. Apparently she fled from Hong Kong to Dubai.


    CRYPTO KINKO: FTX bro's ex Caroline Ellison on BDSM, orgies, pills

     


    Besides her robust thoughts on sex and relationships, she has some opinions on crypto. She called it “mostly scams and memes.”
     
    https://torontosun.com/news/world/crypto-kinko-ftx-bros-ex-caroline-ellison-on-bdsm-orgies-pills

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Hapalong Cassidy

  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Coemgen

    Farnan and Doheny sound like Irish names. I think there was a Doheny who was someone important in the development of Los Angeles. I remember a reference to a place named after him in The Beach Boys’ “Surfing USA”.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Art Deco

    There was a Matt Doheny who ran for Congress in New York’s North Country about a dozen years back. He was a financial industry refugee, relocated. Reading between the lines, he seemed to have had a career crash and to have a drinking problem as well (citations for operating a boat under the influence). The Republican Party nominated three men for seats in Congress in a short run of years who had citations for some sort of public drunkenness. I’m wondering if this is the same Matt Doheny.

  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Coemgen

    Farnan and Doheny sound like Irish names. I think there was a Doheny who was someone important in the development of Los Angeles. I remember a reference to a place named after him in The Beach Boys’ “Surfing USA”.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Art Deco

    It’s an unexpectedly Christie-ish story.

    Edward Doheny Jr. – whom everyone called Ned – was killed in his Beverly Hills home in 1929 by his crazed secretary, who then killed himself. His father, oil tycoon Edward Doheny Sr., was distraught over his son’s death and didn’t want to deal with land in Capistrano Beach that Ned bought a year earlier, so he donated about 44 acres of the undeveloped land to the state in 1931.

    Not the sweetest of stories – but it’s nevertheless how Doheny State Beach became what it is today.

    Doheny – the first California state beach …

    https://www.ocregister.com/2006/06/24/down-doheny-way-for-75-years/

    • Replies:@Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    "Edward Doheny Jr. – whom everyone called Ned – was killed in his Beverly Hills home in 1929 by his crazed secretary, who then killed himself."

    Or vice-versa, according to Raymond Chandler's recollection of how the story was reported in the LA papers on the first day -- scion kills his male secretary, then kills himself -- and how it was reported on the second day and ever after -- secretary kills scion. Chandler was an oil company executive in Los Angeles at the time, so he read the newspaper accounts carefully. He had Philip Marlow recount the story to explain why he's cynical about money, power, and the press.

    They were under subpoena to testify about the Tea Pot Dome scandal that old man Doheny was involved in.

    It's the real life inspiration for "There Shall Be Blood," but Paul Thomas Anderson, with his genius for not using good plots, left that part out.

  • @That Would Be Telling
    @Steve Sailer

    That Madoff was believed to be front running was mentioned in a following bit @cool daddy jimbo clipped. The belief in that was probably true for what I'll call the medium sophisticated, the most sophisticated looked at the whole operation and saw the numbers didn't add up, and I think some people took the measure of the man and didn't trust him although they would seem to be an extreme minority.

    But I should have been more clear on the emphasis; we can argue how high Madoff's (claimed) returns were and should have been (see below), but the key sign of the scam was they were "fixed." Usingthe quoted bit by Bing in first link it found:


    Madoff claimed an average annual return of better than 11% but with very little volatility, according to a person familiar with the matter. The firm purported to be returning a steady 1% or so a month and to have never suffered an annual loss, this person said.
     
    Markopolos in yet another ignored submission to the SEC found in 2005 that in 14.5 years Madoff reported only seven months of losses, 4% of the months. "It is inconceivable that BM's largest monthly loss could only be -0.55% and that his longest losing streaks could consist of 1 slightly down month every couple of years." This would I assume reassure the not sophisticated.

    Per Wikipedia the Feds believe the Ponzi scheme began as early as in the 1970s, "However, Madoff himself stated his fraudulent activities began in the 1990s." Read more and there's red flags right and left that are inconsistent with with such a lack of volatility. Also note there was the dot.com crash during its acknowledged by him existence.

    Per that article @cool daddy jimbo does have one point in the first two sentences of this:

    Madoff's "unusually consistent" annual returns of around 10% were a key factor in perpetuating the fraud. Ponzi schemes typically pay returns of 20% or higher and collapse quickly. One Madoff fund, which described its "strategy" as focusing on shares in the Standard & Poor's 100-stock index, reported a 10.5% annual return during the previous 17 years.

    Even at the end of November 2008, amid a general market collapse, the same fund reported that it was up 5.6%, while the same year-to-date total return on the S&P 500-stock index had been negative 38%. An unnamed investor remarked, "The returns were just amazing, and we trusted this guy for decades — if you wanted to take money out, you always got your check in a few days. That's why we were all so stunned."
     
    But again see the unrealistic consistency through the March 2008 Bear Stearns collapse, he didn't give up until early December.

    Not that it's significant, but there's six mentions of front running in the Wikipedia article. And plenty of people publicly throwing red flags starting with aBarron's article in 2001, which also emphasizes how secrecy was a part of his MO, that's another red flag which the participants would have been aware of. Another was its original targeting of a specific community. Etc. etc.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Steve Sailer, @Art Deco

    Per Wikipedia the Feds believe the Ponzi scheme began as early as in the 1970s,

    Apparently, the Ponzi scheme was operated by just 12 employees of the firm, including Madoff himself. One of them has said publicly that she was trained by Madoff to do what she did when she was hired in 1968 and never did anything differently. He managed to keep the scam going for 40 years.

  • @Inquiring Mind
    @That Would Be Telling

    Well, yes, it was a Ponzi scheme inasmuch as fresh investor contributions were used to pay out money to the earlier cohort of investors to generate the impression the firm was making money.

    What I think they were doing is akin to science fiction stories of a guy who could time-travel, and he would go back in time, say, with knowledge of the 1929 stock market crash so he could make a bundle on short sales.

    Madoff didn't have a time machine, but he created ledger entries of stock trades as if he had a time machine and could go to an earlier time with foreknowledge of changes in stock prices. If you are falsifying records, you can claim that you engaged in a pattern of trading that would make your clients rich.

    By creating the appearance that he was making trades that all "broke the correct way", he could claim the company was making money hand-over-fist when it wasn't.

    I don't think the current situation involved fraudulent records of prosperity. Rather, client money was siphoned off for the firm to trade on its own account, the trades went badly and the client money went missing.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Madoff didn’t have a time machine, but he created ledger entries of stock trades as if he had a time machine and could go to an earlier time with foreknowledge of changes in stock prices. If you are falsifying records, you can claim that you engaged in a pattern of trading that would make your clients rich.

    Madoff’s claimed strategy was a lot more complicated than that, which sounds like the tax deductible cattle futures bribe handed to Hillary way back when. Going from memory, one of the very biggest red flags which should have resulted in a real SEC investigation was that what he was claiming he was doing did not match the actual action in the relevant market(s). This was a major contribution by Markopolos for all the good it did prior to the Ponzi scheme collapsing as the Great Recession really got going.

    I don’t think the current situation involved fraudulent records of prosperity. Rather, client money was siphoned off for the firm to trade on its own account, the trades went badly and the client money went missing.

    The current best guess is that you’ve got cause and effect reversed, Alameda Research’s trades went bad so FTX customer deposits were transferred to it but Alameda’s trading quality didn’t get better.

    I think there’s also questions if FTX was ever a going concern due to its FTT s***coin magic bean token, as I understand it they’re historically a sign of likely fraud, as would be the eight percent returns I’ve unreliably heard FTX offered its depositors. I’m not quite as crypto ignorant as our host, but I get the strong impression tokens are generally a sign of bad juju, but on the other hand lots of people believe the Tether USDT token is bogus. It’s also a stablecoin which is also supposed to be a red flag, but somehow it hasn’t gone poof in eight years. I’m lead to believe if it does a great deal more will come crashing down.

    Another theory with some evidence behind it is that Alameda never did very well at all, and that FTX was set up to subsidize it. There’s also the several billion (again, perhaps all or in part s***coin magic beans, which I should emphasize are not Bitcoin or Ethereum) looted from … I forget which entity, one billion USD straight to SBF, more to an entity he controlled with another person such that his share was $1.75 billion. Thiscould be the source of the big hole in Alameda Research’s leaked balance sheets whichreporting on byCoinDesk triggered the end.

    At that point based on a lot of sources the FTX/the SBF empire was already in big trouble and about five days after the article Binance made the Twitter announcement it was liquidating its FTT holdings which terminated with extreme prejudice the whole SBF empire. Again, a feud SBF should have never started, an attempt at regulatory capture….

    Come to think of it, here we have another example akin to the problems of borrowing short and lending long.IF SBF could have pulled off his US Federal regulation scheme hemight have done better, we now realize probably wouldn’t have rescued his empire since it was so shoddy as our host is telling us in this topic.

    But getting laws and regulations created takes along time absent a crisis like the one he’s now created. So the time scale was totally mismatched to the speedrunning that characterizes so much of fraudulent crypto (again, Bitcoin and Ethereum, and perhaps some other crypto are not examples of that, albeit with their own problems; I’ve only look closely at Bitcoin, and a bit at Ethereum V1.0).

  • @Coemgen
    @Steve Sailer

    There's an org chart at the bottom of this page https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/FTXFILING.pdf that lists debtors. Mostly terminating in apparent company names but some individuals' names are listed as "independent directors" (whatever that means) along with Sam Bankman-Fried (majority), Gary Wang, and Nishad Singh:

    Mitchell Sonkin
    Matt Rosenbeg
    Rishi Jain
    Judge Joseph Farnan
    Matt Doheny

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    Farnan and Doheny sound like Irish names. I think there was a Doheny who was someone important in the development of Los Angeles. I remember a reference to a place named after him in The Beach Boys’ “Surfing USA”.

    • Replies:@J.Ross
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    It's an unexpectedly Christie-ish story.


    Edward Doheny Jr. – whom everyone called Ned – was killed in his Beverly Hills home in 1929 by his crazed secretary, who then killed himself. His father, oil tycoon Edward Doheny Sr., was distraught over his son’s death and didn’t want to deal with land in Capistrano Beach that Ned bought a year earlier, so he donated about 44 acres of the undeveloped land to the state in 1931.

    Not the sweetest of stories – but it’s nevertheless how Doheny State Beach became what it is today.

    Doheny – the first California state beach ...
     
    https://www.ocregister.com/2006/06/24/down-doheny-way-for-75-years/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    ,@Art Deco
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    There was a Matt Doheny who ran for Congress in New York's North Country about a dozen years back. He was a financial industry refugee, relocated. Reading between the lines, he seemed to have had a career crash and to have a drinking problem as well (citations for operating a boat under the influence). The Republican Party nominated three men for seats in Congress in a short run of years who had citations for some sort of public drunkenness. I'm wondering if this is the same Matt Doheny.

  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @HammerJack

    Ticker got cheeky yesterday, saying that the Fried Bankman's gang was united by religion. Ye gods-which religion?!?! Steady on, Tucker meant 'effective altruism'. What did YOU think? Beware of Thought Crime.

    Replies: @Anon

    Whew, close one!

  • @Meretricious
    @hhsiii

    Read the affidavit--CFTC is involved

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @hhsiii

    Thanks.


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