Movatterモバイル変換

Mandela was a coomunist. a member of the ANC politburo. Communists have killed 100m people and whites had and have every reason to be fearful of the ANC.
The frredom foundation points out that there are more racial laws on the books in south africa than during apartheid, this time with the order of 1 Blacks, 2 Indians,3 coloureds 4 White and it is getting progressively worse.
And as thatcher said the ANC dont have the competence rule a country.

“Joe Slovo” was his assumed revolutionary name. His real name was something like Moshe Maazel.

About Bernard Lugan post titled “Nelson Mandela: l’icône et le néant”, I saw some archived versions on Archive.today and the Wayback Machine.
https://bernardlugan.blogspot.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-licone-et-le-neant.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20240412173340/https://bernardlugan.blogspot.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-licone-et-le-neant.html
https://archive.is/wX5RS

On a off-topic sidenote, I saw this movie posted on Youtube in Afrikaans titled Kaptein Caprivi where the summary of the movie is posted on IMDB: “After a South African terrorist group takes local farmers hostage, Captain Caprivi puts together a unit to save them and take out the bad guys.” It featured a intro narrated by C.R. Swart who was the last governor-general of the Union of South Africa and the first state president of the Republic of South Africa. Too bad then that movie didn’t have English subtitles.

Video Link

Diversity is a horrible idea because people are naturally racist and distrust anyone that is obviously not related to them. Diversity is really hopeless when one of the races, the blacks, is so mentally inferior.

1. Black-americans come in last in all standardized tests. Asian-americans do fine on all the tests so it’s not due to cultural bias in the tests.

2. Africa is by far the poorest and most backward continent on the planet. All of black africa is now controlled by blacks and has been for decades so it’s not due to racism.

3. No black has ever won a Science Nobel Prize unless you count one in 1979 for the semi-science of economics. They have won many nobels in non-brain fields like Peace and also in Literature so it is not due to racism.

4. Out of 1725 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

The South African army still operates a handful of tanks. Called the Olifant, it’s basically a rebuild and upgrade of the old British Centurion. The latest version, Olifant MK 2 was developed by the old government to counter newer Soviet tanks, but it was developed too late for use during the Cold War. An earlier version, Mk 1A saw action in the Angolan war in the 80’s during the last few battles, against Angolans and Cubans. The old SA army preferred using wheeled armoured vehicles because of huge distances over which the war was fought, but needed more firepower as the war got more intense.

Note how the West supported weapons development in the old SA through Israel:

Video Link

Bullshit.

What is this moron going on about? The majority of whites in the West worship Jews and blacks.

Spend more time around white trash. This is only true online. It’s at most the 30% of over-educated, mostly female libtard class which has dominated academia and HR. They have shamed the rest of us into silence.

However when the rubber meets the road, when shit gets real, when their influence suddenly has no power backing its play, this illusion will vanish quickly.

Hopefully when the whites in the West go extinct their parasites disappear into oblivion and then the rest of us, 3/4’s of the world’s population, can live in relative peace with no need or inclination to worship fruitcakes. Right now we are being forced to pander to them.

Jews and whites are not the source of all problems. Brown people are plenty capable of making their own. Like slavery – outlawed by white civilization at the time, the English empire.

Parasites are somewhat proportional to the capability of our civilization. In a way it’s a compliment to have such powerful parasites – we have that much wealth and power to harvest.

I don’t believe it’s a “forever” situation. We won’t always worship finance, just like we don’t throw people into volcanoes anymore – one day we just stopped.

What is this moron going on about? The majority of whites in the West worship Jews and blacks. Hopefully when the whites in the West go extinct their parasites disappear into oblivion and then the rest of us, 3/4’s of the world’s population, can live in relative peace with no need or inclination to worship fruitcakes. Right now we are being forced to pander to them.

Thanks, it was a typo, I meant his English YouTube channel, his more regular channel is in Afrikaans.

Most whites still manage to find white schools, Afrikaans schools also have a language barrier. Government tries to gain control of language and admissions, and then force Afrikaans schools to set up parallel language classes financed by the school and parents.

White schools are more expensive so as to finance extra personnel and equipment. Most teachers are paid by government, but schools can hire extra teachers or specialists if they have the money. White schools also do their own fundraising through hiring out facilities for conferences, getting corporate sponsorships, fairs, sports events, music concerts, etc. I live in white neighbourhood, with a few legacy white schools close by that are more than a century old.

Home schooling is technically illegal but there are plenty of rights organizations offering support and legal advice, so government can’t really do anything to force people to stop it.

Yup, and in America where news (and the alternate news more and more so) is just entertainment to go along with bread and circuses, it’s no mystery that most here know little about anything of importance – except when it comes to selling the next war when everything comes into focus and high resolution.

Having lived in SA for most of my life I am naturally tempted to comment.

However the demonic aborted mess is there for any who care to take a closer look, what else is there to add.

And as per the rest of the former west, our generational elites are doing just fine and dandy thank you very much, and after all that is all that really matters in this world does it not, and has it not been this way since the year dot.

As we grow up, no matter where we are born in this world, our local elites educate us (brainwash us) into believing that this or that country is “your country”, that you are this or that nationality, so now run along and be a good little citizen, be patriotic, fly the flag, vote hard, work hard, fight hard and above all pay your taxes. When in reality the country actually belongs to the current batch of generational elites, and they will do and do do as they see fit with “their country”. Does history not adequately confirm this fact, do you see the con yet.

His English is not that active, but has some video about South African troubles.

His English is superb, and he is leaps and bounds ahead of the average black native American Ebonic-speaker in communicating with the listener.

They are doing the same in America in our public education system. They are now teaching to the lowest common denominator, therefore all White children are dragged down with the lot. Accelerated course work hurts the self image of the BIPOC kids who can’t participate, so White kids can’t be taught anything advanced, but they can certainly be intellectually bludgeoned over White Supremacy. Many are actually bludgeoned, but I guess it pales in comparison to what White kids suffer in South Africa. For now.

Nothing would please me more than to see a horde of Africans like Willem Petzer storming the borders of America. I’ll bet the American government could/would find a way to throttle that particular group back whence they came.

Very few people in America know anything about what’s happening to Whites in South Africa/Rhodesia. It’s stunning how few of them realize what’s happening to Whites in America.

Yes it’s dangerous, but our forefathers faced the same dangers. Another challenge is the government trying to bring an internationalized and government controlled school system. They will make a fuckup of it, and drag currently functional Afrikaans schools into ruin as well.

Willem Petzer, a local Afrikaans activist explains new education laws that give government more power to interfere with parent’s rights:

Video Link

His English is not that active, but has some video about South African troubles.

Blue-gummed boogies aren’t good at governing. Or much else, really.

They can play some sports, commit most of the crime, and breed like…well…monkeys.

That’s about it.

Carney: “Don’t accept and embrace the term “racist”.”

Why? They’re going to call you a racist anyway. Is it somehow supposed to be strategic brilliance to spend all of your time denying that you’re a racist? LOL Besides, by denying you’re a racist you’re implying that racism is bad instead of a natural human behavior that’s eugenic in its effect, at least for whites. That’s not smart. The result is you’ve already lost the argument before you’ve begun.

It seems that you are here engaging in the very thing you say not to do in your next post, namely, “mirror-imaging”. Because YOU are hurt by being called a racist, you imagine everyone else is too. Not so. Try developing a thicker skin.

I disagree with you on global warming, however.

Yes, it’s true that computers can’t necessarily predict the exact weather with precision, but that doesn’t mean we can’t know in an overall fashion that massively artificially increasing the portion of the atmosphere that consists of heat-trapping gas is going to result in more heat being trapped.

Beware of the fossil fuel-corrupted conservative infotainment complex emotionally manipulating you into associating its competition with despised enemies and its own product with trusted warmly-regarded “my kind of people.”

It’s the same way tobacco manipulated conservatives into buying its bunk that the facts about smoking and cancer were still in serious doubt, and claims that smoking drastically increases cancer risk were exaggerations or lies from infuriating liberal bureaucratic busybodies, and tobacco as being from salt-of-the-Earth real Americans.

Yes, the conservative movement has done many great things – standing up for the right to life, rallying the West to contain and roll back the Soviets – but like any fallible human institution it can be and has been corrupted. Don’t let it push your buttons.

We can’t tell credibly and effectively tell the PC left and “mainstream” conservatives to accept facts about race and IQ that are deeply threatening to their most cherished values and which could be used by forces they most dread and hate: neo-Nazis and the like….

if we ourselves use emotions, values, and identity politics to look for rationalizations to reject unpalatable facts about the climate out of fear that if those claims were true than extreme greens and the far Left would be able to run wild and force their whole laundry list agenda on us.

Chemistry and physics have no empathy, and facts haze zero obligation to conveniently arrange themselves in such a fashion as to never benefit or empower those with whom we have vehement political disagreements.

The good news is that — contrary to the narrative of BOTH the fossil industry AND the far left / extreme greens — it is not actually necessary to adopt the whacko left agenda in order to tackle climate change.

NO, extremely damaging man-made climate change does NOT mean we need to “dismantle white supremacy”, “replace capitalism”, “end outdated national sovereignty in favor of global social justice” or whatever.

We just need to change where we get our energy — to use nuclear power and renewables instead of fossil fuels. That’s it. That’s the change.

France gets over 70% of its electricity from nuclear power, and uses that electricity to run its high-speed intercity rail network. Norway gets all of its electricity from renewable energy and most cars sold there are electric. Half the vehicle fuel used in Brazil is renewable and all the cars there are fully biofuel compatible. Most of the electricity in Iowa comes from wind energy. Etc etc. We can do this, without becoming a crazy left anything. Once you realize that, you will then realize that you can accept the facts on global warming, and reject spurious claims that it’s all just too complicated etc, without worrying that you’re selling out to the far left.

One of the most common cognitive errors is “mirror-imaging” — that is, imagining that someone else, or another group, is thinking and would do the same thing that you would in his or their place.

This is why many white liberals imagine that blacks are unbearably humiliated and demoralized by their own individual (or racially collective) low performance, and that this emotional pain is a major contributing factor to continued black low performance, in a kind of vicious circle or trap. This in turn is why white decisionmakers have fostered a never-ending clamor of praise for blacks, spotlighting cherry-picked black achievers, assuring blacks they can do anything they set their minds to, etc. – the notion is that bucking up black morale will then remove this obstacle to black achievement and unlock black potential.

However, studies consistently show that, contrary to white liberal expectations, blacks have high confidence, high self-esteem, and sweepingly positive view of their own individual aptitude and capability, including in difficult fields such as mathematics. As usual with social statistics, the spectrum runs “Asian, white, black” with Asians having the highest aptitude but the highest anxiety and neuroticism and lowest self-assessed aptitude; blacks having the lowest aptitude but the lowest anxiety and neuroticism and highest self-assessed aptitude; and whites in between but much closer to Asians than to blacks.

The massive propaganda telling blacks they are smart was therefore superfluous, gilding the lily. It made no difference.

What has made a profound difference, however, is the propaganda telling blacks that their low position is the result of massive and continuing injustice that whites could fix but refuse to; that blacks have been cheated of their due on a colossal scale. THIS is the source of black anger, and while it might well exist without that propaganda, it would not do so to the same extent. It’s insane that our elites are whipping up this volatile, low-empathy, impulsive, and violence-prone population group into rage against ourselves.

Don’t accept and embrace the term “racist”.

As Dr. Samuel Francis put ithttps://www.amren.com/news/2010/10/the_origins_of/ :

“Racism,” therefore, is a term originating on the left, and has been so defined and loaded with meanings the left wants it to have that it cannot now be used by the supporters of white racial consciousness for any constructive purpose. Anyone who uses the term to describe himself or his own views has already allowed himself to be maneuvered onto his opponents’ ground and has already lost the debate. He may try to define the word differently, but he will need to spend most of his time explaining that he does not mean by it what everyone else means. As a term useful for communicating ideas that the serious supporters of white racial consciousness wish to communicate, the term is useless, and it was intended by those who developed it that it be useless for that purpose.

Excellent comment, Looger. You and TTTT have won this argument long ago. Thanks for spending the time – it might not convince a couple of stubborn commenter, but it’s for the readers and the record.

For the exact same reason, America is full of little South Africas – Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta, St. Louis, Jackson Mississippi, etc.

Nevertheless, if the people seriously opposed immigration, there’d be a lot more of them.

Almost all the immigration into Canada goes right to the USA border and to their respective communities. The government uses the shortfalls of labor numbers from the north as justification for more immigrants but immigrants immediately move from hinterland to the big cities as soon as they can.

The people in Canada seriously opposed to immigration, that is the redneck ‘backwards’ gun toting hinterland people, ARE ALREADY SEPARATED FROM THE IMMIGRANTS!!!

What part of this are you missing?

When the north separates from the south all the immigrants are already in the cities.

Look at a map sometime – seriously. When white Canadians fed up with immigration head up north to build their compounds, why would they bother shooting anyone?

We’re giving the shitlibs their greatest wish – they are being sequestered with their pets. The subconcious shitlib desire to be saved from their bad decisions (after all we’re talking about 12-14 year old girl thinking here) by said rednecks WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I call this new long and thin country, “FEMALE GENITAL MUTILANIA.”

The liberals are going to love it. Until they’re thrown off the rooftops by Palestinian Hamas-loving “refugees” that is (Trudeau is currently negotiating something like this right now to “solve” the crisis).

This is a stupid, self-defeating way of thinking that’s typical of the right, and a big reason why it never gets anywhere.

– Waco 1993 – Feds (ATF) were inside shooting at other Feds to justify burning it down. Koresh LEFT THE COMPUND DAILY and could have been nabbed at any time.
– Ruby Ridge – FBI sharpshooter gets medal for “1 shot 3 kills” shooting a pregnant woman holding a baby. No reason for it there was erroneous bullshit “reports” which led to FBI seige.
– NYC twin towers 1993 – Emad Salem FBI handler for the 70 IQ terrorists records the FBI telling him to give the terorists real bomb material and not the fake stuff they’d been cooking. (Salem was an honest cop somehow emerging from Egypt’s military intel who constantly ‘monitor’ [use] islamic terrorists of their own). This was exposed on 60 fucking minutes and yes there are recordings.
– OKC 1995 Timothy McVeigh parks a van with farmer’s bomb on the curb hundreds of feet away and somehow triggers explosions from inside the fucking building infrastructure. ATF admits on the spot on live tv that they were running a drill that same day. Once again children die as per Waco.
– Timothy McVeigh is accidentally filmed years later at a US Army base by a documentary filmmaker. Yes, proven alive years after his “execution.”
–
This pattern tends to alternate – when Pepsi is in power it’s “homegrown terrorists” ie. right wing militias and when the Coca-Cola are in power it’s “over there” but generally speaking the FBI is ALWAYS running “white power” orgs scooping up all the 70-80 IQ low-grade morons. They get caught fucking constantly doing this and half of patriot radio’s time used to be devoted to exposing the fed-run militias (1990s Mark Koernke for example who does obviously advocate armed resistance but not offensive).

– Taos New Mexico 2017 – school shooting Islamic cult was training children to use guns. Dead children on the site. Reported on for ONE DAY locally and not nationally, bulldozed by the FBI. DOcumented locally by James Pilato (media monarchy).

You actually are dumb enough to believe that Crusius was a federal agent? That anyone who violently opposes the invasion is a fed? LOL It’s this kind of paranoia that leads to inaction, since it assumes that the gov’t controls everything, even the very thoughts and actions of the people. There’s no credible evidence I’m aware of that Crusius was an agent acting on federal instructions, nor any of the other similar cases — Brenton Tarrant, Dylan Roof,Anders Breivik, Payton Gendron, etc. The idea Crusius shot and killed 23 people while acting on gov’t orders is absurd.

I don’t know whom any of the above are except Breivik.

I didn’t say ALL OF THE LONE WOLVES ARE FEDS.

“There aren’t 40 million” You may be right because there are probably more than 40 million in the USA.

From the Pew Research Center

“The Black population of the United States is growing. In 2021, there were an estimated 47.2 million people who self-identified as Black, making up 14.2% of the country’s population. This marks a 30% increase since 2000, when there were 36.3 million Black people living in the U.S.”

BTW is Obama a black man or white man? Even though his mother was a white woman, Obama looks like he came right out of Central Africa.

You should visit the USA some day. You would be amazed how many backs live here. In my city the south and and west sides are all black. Yes itz true someone has been moving them out to white areas to disperse them. They think that by dispersing them that they will not burn and loot any more cities. Yes, yes I know there are a few good ones (civilized).

Looger: “The government runs ultra-right nationalist stooges BECAUSE THEY ARE PLANNING TO MANIPULATE THAT REACTION. It is plain as fucking day and they have been running these ops and these militias for fucking decades.If you don’t see it then good luck in the FEMA camp retard.”

This is a stupid, self-defeating way of thinking that’s typical of the right, and a big reason why it never gets anywhere. You actually are dumb enough to believe that Crusius was a federal agent? That anyone who violently opposes the invasion is a fed? LOL It’s this kind of paranoia that leads to inaction, since it assumes that the gov’t controls everything, even the very thoughts and actions of the people. There’s no credible evidence I’m aware of that Crusius was an agent acting on federal instructions, nor any of the other similar cases — Brenton Tarrant, Dylan Roof, Anders Breivik, Payton Gendron, etc. The idea Crusius shot and killed 23 people while acting on gov’t orders is absurd. The rarity of these sorts of sporadic outbursts should just tell you that most people don’t agree with them, and even on the right they are more concerned with their own personal safety than they are with defending principle. All these shooters were quite obviously lone wolves, not agents. Nevertheless, if the people seriously opposed immigration, there’d be a lot more of them.

It’s amazing to me that anyone with your level of paranoia can believe, at the same time, that he stands a chance of organizing a mass movement against the gov’t, or that one will spontaneously arise. You think these marvelously efficient feds won’t be able to ensure the loyalty of their own army and police forces? Ridiculous! Next to their anti-racism, one of the most deeply-held prejudices of white people is respect for the law, and the state’s gangsters with badges aka the police.

Looger: “… Canada is not a country, it is ten separate economic agreements with America.”

Canada’s population is small relative to the USA, is dependent on it, and is therefore unlikely ever to have any kind of policies that differ very dramatically from it. I’ve never met a racist Canadian. As far as I can see, culturally, they’re very similar to Americans.

Looger: “The thing you don’t realize, and most people are simply trained not to, is that WE DEVELOP THE WEAPONS. They just fucking use what WE develop. NASA didn’t put men on the moon (if it happened). WE DID (if it happened). It is our ingenuity and our engineering and our sweat and blood behind it all.”

This is a good point that redeems an otherwise worthless post. It’s true that the people develop the weapons, and therein lies a glimmer of hope. However, modern tech for the most part has depended on team efforts and corporate- or nation-sized financing. For example, no one man developed the atomic bomb or the internet; no one man put astronauts on the moon. However, tech is now reaching a point where one man, or a handful of revolutionaries, could maybe just maybe develop an effective weapon. It might be a bioweapon like a virus or bacterium developed using commercially available gene editing tech; it could be a rogue AI, perhaps developed from open source. Those are only two, but there are literally thousands of possibilities, thousands of ways to potentially fight back against the state. Unfortunately, it appears that no one on the right has either the understanding, or the foresight, or the interest to be working on these sorts of things. They’re all too busy looking for federal agents or Jews under their beds.

The fact that there weren’t a hundred or a thousand like him shows that people who object to the invasion aren’t really serious, or at least, not serious enough to risk their own lives and break the law. They’re more fond of their civilization and its standards of behavior than they are of their own personal survival,let alone their racial survival.

The thing is Canadians for one do not think of themselves as “Whites” that’s how immigrants describe us. This became clear for me at Amazon, being the only white guy in sight, often. When government or corporations refer to recent immigrants as “Canadians” they immediately would correct and say “FIlipinio-Canadian” or just “Indian.” They call the Euro-Canadians, “White Canadians.” It’s a pejorative or an observation from outside.

Canadians describe themselves generally as “Greek Canadians” Ukrainian Canadians” etc. or just plain “Canadian” (that’s how I think of myself).

We’re not grouped up or tribal enough to simply start shooting people for this and that, we’re vulnerable at the tribal level of organization. It’s also why we have what we have to be honest. We don’t become another tribe with other languages and customs when you drive 200 miles, unlike Europe or the fucking rest of this planet. We’re efficient economically and weak tribally.

The government runs ultra-right nationalist stooges BECAUSE THEY ARE PLANNING TO MANIPULATE THAT REACTION. It is plain as fucking day and they have been running these ops and these militias for fucking decades.

If you don’t see it then good luck in the FEMA camp retard.

I don’t think that’s true, at least not in any meaningful way. In fact, on the contrary, the vast majority of whites oppose racism, and have shown their support for anti-racist policies, even when such policies hurt themselves and even their children.

Speaking of SA, they describe it like this: “We were shamed into silence.”

Polled separately on ONE ISSUE the message is clear – 70% of Canadians in polls going back decades oppose immigration including immigrants – honestly due to the housing crisis which is reaching insane levels.

Go out and talk to people. I do all the time. Most people do not they stay in their bubbles. There’s a lot of white trash that have ALWAYS been racist and ALWAYS hated Jews, commies, and everyone from the government. One day they’ll be right and they know it.

Permitting mass immigration of non-whites into their lands is just another demonstration of their anti-racism, an outlook which ultimately derives from Christianity and the culture it engendered.

I just disagree. Christianity is all but gone as a political or motivating force in the former west, it’s been replaced by the Green Movement and Wokeness.

The fact is life hasn’t gotten bad enough for us, and probably will not, we are fat and happy and people don’t want to rock the boat.

This can be refuted using your own reasoning. If the “federal agencies” you worry about are so powerful, what makes you think they will allow you even to begin a secession “movement”, not pay taxes, or even make plans for violence of any kind? They won’t, of course. Secession, notably, has already been tried and it failed in 1865. And therein lies the problem. The technological state has grown so powerful in the intervening 155 years that effective organization against it is now impossible. Opposition on any scale larger than the individual or a very small cell of revolutionaries will be quickly infiltrated and annihilated.

I just disagree. We can all dump their shit tomorrow if we want to.

We have to want to – we have to organize in other ways.

It’s not going to be easy and the first thing to take care of is our own defense.

The thing you don’t realize, and most people are simply trained not to, is that WE DEVELOP THE WEAPONS. They just fucking use what WE develop. NASA didn’t put men on the moon (if it happened). WE DID (if it happened). It is our ingenuity and our engineering and our sweat and blood behind it all.

Until we realize that we’re in trouble – but the government is simply fewer people than us.

Also the army – the Canadian Fucking Army is so disloyal to Justin Trudeau that he couldn’t use it to secure Parliament Hill. The previous time the “War Measures Act” was used his daddy used the army (also disloyal, they went AWOL to join the USA in Vietnam), ran checkpoint,s enforced martial law. Justin brought in foreign cops, by the tail numbers at the airports they were German and Czech.

Backwoods Canada is not only well-armed, it is culturally incompatible with the shitheads lining the USA border. I am from the north. It is not like the bulk of the people clinging to the border like a life-raft.

The people up there run ALL the economy – Canada is not a country, it is ten separate economic agreements with America. And NONE of that commerce runs through the cities! They are all parasites.

The boxcars full of coal, lumber, the pipelines, all that shit comes out of the hinterland where tradesmen are well-armed and their places of employment are small.

It’s practically already separated – if like-minded people from the cities went to the north and said “fuck it we’re out” and some farmer drew a line in say, Red Deer, trust me the Canadian Government would have a big problem. They can’t send the army, even if they were loyal their shit would break down.

It is approaching time to secede from the shitlibs, from the retards, from the hardcore 30% liberals and the Jews and everyone else whose existence the northern Canadians have been subsidizing for years.

I don’t have all the answers but if you go off half-cocked and start shooting people without a plan to feed yourself or build community, then you are fucked.

Yes I know we’re vulnerable from a racial, tribal point of view.

Things are changing fast and people haven’t figured it out yet. But soon we won’t have a choice.

THis country isn’t going to last long enough for people to plan an exit – it is flying apart at the fucking seems.

Thank for that excellent comment, TTTT. (Meant to write a couple of days ago. Sorry.)

I don’t like to argue with you, Angel Man from the East; you’ve always seemed a kind, thoughtful man, and still so on this thread, of course.

Many black advocates, or at least the elders, say that black families/societies did better before integration. That seems somewhat true. Parallel societies can work if both groups respect/accept the boundaries. Regarding blacks, I remember being astonished to read newspaper articles written in the early twentieth century about their difficult/hostile behavior, at a time in America when we are made to believe they lived in abject fear of the White man. Nothing really seems totame them. It seems an intractable problem. I don’t think they would agree to their own isolated space within America. Who would keep it operating/functioning? Multi-millionaire LeBron James opens a school for black kids, with top-of-the-line black administrators/teachers, and the kids can’t pass basic skills test after three years, and they stomp a white kid to death on the basketball court. Maybe we resort to a penal colony? We can’t/don’t deport illegal alien criminals; I think we’re doomed.

I’m not as well educated on Mongol activities as Native Americans, but they were brutal in Eastern Europe; torturing men; enslaving women and children; they were fairly brutal in China; I don’t recall reading anything indicating they were ever docile or merciful unless/until a population was completely subjugated. I’ve read his armies killed 10-11% of the population of Eurasia. Ultimately, it does seem the conquerors do often change the lives of the conquered for the better if the population is capable of evolving or adapting, i.e. the Romans in Britain.

Singapore certainly benefited from English colonialism, as did Hong Kong and Shanghai, but I don’t think the appreciation or the benefits are acknowledged until much later. I understand the English were quite brutal in India, yet as soon as the Raj relinquished governance, the Indians started immigrating to England, almost immediately.

We can’t put the colonialism/conquest Genie back in the bottle, and no matter how pissed the world is at America/Europe/Western world – Israel/Middle East nightmare, notwithstanding – millions still want to live with us. There must be a reason they overlook the accusations of constant terror inflicted on the world by the white devils. My cockamamie theory is there are White Devils – the Angles (not Anglos) under the influence of the Moloch People.

Maybe the Dutch/English could have made something of S. Africa like the US/Australia.

But they did. A first world country. And the rest of the West destroyed it.

But they didn’t. They created apartheid. And so they lost it.

We isolated them, made them a pariah, and much of our “civilization” cheered when the harpoons went into the whale.

Apartheid wasn’t some model of perfection, it’s simply a method of maintaining the IQ required for a country to perpetuate / survive. They lost it because they didn’t want to do the shit jobs that Blacks would do for pennies.

Apartheid was SO HORRIBLE for Blacks that millions of them flooded in to live in shanty town shacks and not have rights, just to have a piece of White lifestyle. They wanted fried chicken, electricity, movies. This notion that Apartheid was cruel or divided people that were already in the country is complete bullshit. It was the taking in of refugees and “guest workers” that fucked it.

Read some SA paper articles from the 1980s. They read EXACTLY like Canadian papers from the 2010s. Refugees welcome! Good for our society! Doctors and lawyers!

It’s an important lesson that we in the former west have failed to learn. That, and the notion that earlier forms of “wokeness” or civilizational suicide based on us listening to the Wormtongue Jews inside and outside of SA.

They lost it due to wokeness and not picking their own cotton.

Talk of returning to do high IQ jobs because blacks cannot is silly. It’s not “whities” land anymore. Leave them to themselves.

I didn’t talk of “returning” to blacks to lead them back to civilization – I talked of the land itself going back to dry crap because of lack of irrigation and farming techniques which is why the country is habitable at all in large swaths.

It will be uninhabited again. Blacks don’t wander the plains anymore as nomads. They sit in the city and puill the copper wire out of walls to eat for the day.

Looger: “Jumping into immediate and somewhat chaotic violence is EXACTLY the trap federal agencies are pushing us into. ”

Jumping into immediate, chaotic violence is exactly what would happen if the white people of the USA were sincerely interested in stopping the immigration invasion. It’s what Patrick Crusius did in his 2019 Walmart shooting attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Crusius#Manifesto

The fact that there weren’t a hundred or a thousand like him shows that people who object to the invasion aren’t really serious, or at least, not serious enough to risk their own lives and break the law. They’re more fond of their civilization and its standards of behavior than they are of their own personal survival, let alone their racial survival.

This is not to say that I believe shooting random non-whites is a strategy well-calculated to succeed at stopping the invasion. It isn’t. I’m just responding to the claim being made here by you and some others (a claim which seems to me quite absurd) that white people in the West and America in particular “oppose” immigration. I don’t think that’s true, at least not in any meaningful way. In fact, on the contrary, the vast majority of whites oppose racism, and have shown their support for anti-racist policies, even when such policies hurt themselves and even their children. Permitting mass immigration of non-whites into their lands is just another demonstration of their anti-racism, an outlook which ultimately derives from Christianity and the culture it engendered. Independent of its economic drivers, ethical precepts derived from Christianity provide a big part of the moral justification for it. That the vast majority of whites share this moral outlook, along with their respect for “law and order”, is why there are not more people like Patrick Crusius, a man who is now in prison sentenced to 90 life terms.

Looger: “I feel a combination of secession (which yes may include some DEFENSIVE violence) with simply ignoring or not feeding through taxes, our current government structure – is the best way.”

This can be refuted using your own reasoning. If the “federal agencies” you worry about are so powerful, what makes you think they will allow you even to begin a secession “movement”, not pay taxes, or even make plans for violence of any kind? They won’t, of course. Secession, notably, has already been tried and it failed in 1865. And therein lies the problem. The technological state has grown so powerful in the intervening 155 years that effective organization against it is now impossible. Opposition on any scale larger than the individual or a very small cell of revolutionaries will be quickly infiltrated and annihilated.

“””Over time a majority of the voters continue to vote for the politicians/political parties that allow immigration to continue.”””
—————————————————————–

Is that a joke.? Elections are massively rigged by the DNC with help from the media. That’s why we must bring back states rights and let people vote with their feet.

“””Chinese would also work.””
—————————————————-

We don’t need more chinese here. They are intelligent enough, but their allegiance will always be to china. They also look different and that means they immediately dislike us and we them. Immigration should be only for those that look like white americans.

Apartheid and Jim Crow were separation. What do we do if they refuse to separate, and they can’t/won’t assimilate? What then?

Neither are quite separation. It’s like living together but pretending not to see each other.

Is it better to colonize the group across the river rather than a group across the ocean? What’s the real difference?

Conquest is not quite the same as colonization. For example, when the Mongols conquered, regions were grafted onto the empire, but local communities often retained effective control and people went about their lives as usual.

Under colonialism, the colonized turn into chattel and commodity in service to colonizer. While economic and other improvements may be introduced, locals are 2nd class citizens in their own land.

Old fashioned conquest is a natural affair. Losers are killed or assimilated into the population. But colonialism has a way of dehumanizing and poisoning the soul, I think. Locals are neither slaves nor free, but remain in a permanent state of limbo in between.

Will you complain at that point when whitie colonizes it again and starts up the irrigation?
Are you of the holy better-than-thou people of the world going to go down there with a rifle and put a stop to the “colonization” of empty useless dry fucking garbage land?

Why am I being painted as the guy grousing?

Maybe the Dutch/English could have made something of S. Africa like the US/Australia. But they didn’t. They created apartheid. And so they lost it.

Talk of returning to do high IQ jobs because blacks cannot is silly. It’s not “whities” land anymore. Leave them to themselves.

This was already tried with Detroit then Rhodesia

why is this outcome surprising?

He’s popular because he’s not the real answer. The vast majority of Americans don’t want the real answer, which as you’ve already said above in #193, is violence.

I suspect an honest historical examination would reveal that one people displacing another usually results in some kind of suffering for the outgoing populace (ie. Gaza).

North America at least is the exception – we have gigantic internal mobility and no shortage of land. Also we’ll never, ever starve to death – it just isn’t fucking Ireland. Corn especially guarantees this.

This is an historically unique set of circumstances and anyone who thinks violence is the immediate answer, should seriously examine all the traps set out for that kind of thinking – such as Fed provocateurs (Hal Turner) WHO ARE PREACHING THIS RIGHT NOW.

Jumping into immediate and somewhat chaotic violence is EXACTLY the trap federal agencies are pushing us into. See Ireland last few weeks speaking of the Emerald Isle.

We’re going to have to find a different way.

I feel a combination of secession (which yes may include some DEFENSIVE violence) with simply ignoring or not feeding through taxes, our current government structure – is the best way.

We’ve already seen the leftoids get programmed by media into the 2020 riots and to school shootings, we can let THEM and their government handlers dictate the flow of dead people – which when it happens will obviously be mostly them in their coastal cities with no food production or ability to change a fucking lightbulb (power won’t be on either).

We are being poked and prodded into a controlled violence scenario by which we can be put into camps and truly destroyed.

BEWARE.

Looger: “Or like what, pick up a gun and shoot immigrants and any brown person you see? ”

Yes.

Looger: “The majority IS against immigration, everywhere. Why do you think Donald Trump is popular (I’m not saying he’s the real answer)?”

He’s popularbecause he’s not the real answer. The vast majority of Americans don’t want the real answer, which as you’ve already said above in #193, is violence.

I don’t know much about S. Africa, butI’m skeptical that the Dutch and Englishdisplaced no one. I suspect the land was sparsely populated at least and some local natives were shoved out.

This history is well-known and documented. The Dutch moved to dry crappy areas that were not sustaining life – they did what Dutch do and made it livable. That’s why there’s water shortages in urbanized SA now – because the Dutch were removed from running things.

There was local “contact” including some deals and some conflict. We’re talking 16th, 17th century and find me anywhere in the world that did NOT operate on conquest as political solution.

When the English came in it was because of gold and (eventually) diamond mines. Yes the English fought Zulus but the Zulus were also from outside the region.

When it comes to genocide the Zulus wiped out 1-3 million of other tribes around that time, it wasn’t easy to get exact numbers because the peoples involved were nomadic and the English had some trouble counting them. If you think the English or the Dutch wantonly destroyed the nearby peoples then I don’t know what to say – I guess that’s just like, your opinion man.

The old pattern is starkly similar to the modern one – now it’s Nigerian immigrants who fuck the place and not Zulus.

And we’re seeing Dutch ingenuity in reverse – when the Boers are all gone (moved to a smaller enclave ethno-state or whatever), the land that they previously improved WILL REGRESS BECAUSE NATURE and then the people on it will fucking starve. Like the malnutrition and borderline starvation that occurred in Mugabi’s Zimbabwe. And then the water will run out and there won’t be ANY people in much of SA again.

Will you complain at that point when whitie colonizes it again and starts up the irrigation?

Are you of the holy better-than-thou people of the world going to go down there with a rifle and put a stop to the “colonization” of empty useless dry fucking garbage land?

My view is separation or assimilation. Pick one. Don’t keep people around you don’t like, exploit their labor, and discriminate. It’s not a wholesome way to build society.

That’s the END of apartheid and not the START. It ended because of economic exploitation of IMPORTED Blacks.

Lesson: Pick your own damned cotton.

Apartheid and Jim Crow were separation

Not really. They were white supremacist caste systems, with whites ruling over the blacks, which is why they failed. Actual separation would require sovereign (or realistically semi-sovereign) territorial entities for each of the separated parties. Blacks should have been given a state in North America after the civil war. Boers should have been given a state in South Africa (Anglos and Jews in South Africa should have been marched out to pit graves and shot). Instead, both ended up with unworkable multiracialism.

My view is separation or assimilation. Pick one.

Apartheid and Jim Crow were separation. What do we do ifthey refuse to separate, and they can’t/won’t assimilate? What then?

I know people from South Africa/Rhodesia. If we consider/understand that the George Floyd/BLM riots werenot often mostly peaceful, whilst there is photographic/video evidence indicating same, yet the general consensus in media is that itwas mostly peaceful/justified, then we can extrapolate that the Apartheid measures were not brutally enforced in all circumstances, as history indicates. Apartheid did not stop the mass immigration of blacks into the black townships with access to employment/benefits of South Africa/Rhodesia. People do not knowingly immigrate to a place where they believe they will be victims. My white African friends all say the apartheid regime was not as portrayed, and Nelson Mandela was a criminal. He didn’t exactly improve things in South Africa, did he?

The total measure of society is also not economic development. Autonomy and sovereignty should come before GDP per capita. Dignity trumps income.

This is true, yet everyone in the world (seemingly) wants to come to western nations because of the economic opportunities and/or the entitlements/benefits that trickle down in productive societies, in general. When I was a kid, during summer break, my dad would come home from work and ask,Did you do anything productive today? Everyday he asked this question.Everyday. This mindset is not seen in all groups. This mindset also leads to keeping the lights on; keeping the refrigerator full; innovation/hard work; and the dignity of being self reliant.

I do try to stay informed about people in other nations/cultures; sometimes through travel, sometimes through the internet. Whilst I do see benefits/dignity in a simple life and living amongst nature, growing/picking your own food off the vine, etc., I don’t think the vast majority of westerners, including myself, want to revert back to that life beyond a few weeks on the ranch or supplementing your meals with a home garden. The fact that millions of people leave such environments indicates that’s the general consensus.

I think it’s bad form to immigrate and complain about racism, standards and customs that exclude people like you. But it seems to be a not uncommon thing outside the West as well.

Exactly, but it’s only White/European nations taken to task for it. There is a place in China called the Chocolate City. Apparently, blacks from Nigeria and a few other African nations, live there in a large group. Of course, China does not/would not suffer to permit them to behave as they do in western nations, but you can find many reports that mirror what white people say about blacks. And, what do the blacks say? Why, they say the Chinese learned racism from the whites, because they want to be just like white people. I’m not making this up.

Blacks in South Africa, largely Bantus, treat blacks from other nations/tribes worse than whites ever did, in general. Necklacing was a creation of Winnie Mandela, and they still use it. This information is easily found if you look for it. The hypocrisy is outrageous.

but I’m skeptical that the Dutch and English displaced no one.

The Bantus and Zulus were Central African populations; the Koi San or Hottentots were the hunter/gatherers in South Africa in the mid-1600s. Yes, there was conflict, but as wanderers, they were not expelled from their permanent villages, etc. Again, the Bantus did more to eliminate this group, and they (the San) freely admit this, but the Dutch/English are widely blamed. That’s just the way it is.

I think the difference between Apaches/Comanches vs. Whites is that the Apaches/Comanches do not control the levers of power,

The Apaches brutalized the Comanches until the Comanches found horses, then the Comanches absolutely took the levers of power over Everyone in their range, which they exponentially expanded due to technology, which were horses at that time. The acquisition of horses enabled the entire plains Indian culture which included raids and guerilla warfare. Therefore, they were really no different than the Europeans, other than they didn’t develop the technology themselves, nor were they able to progress beyond a Neolithic existence. We are all guilty, in reality; in today’s theory, European-blooded people are the only guilty party.

But for White Americans/Europeans, their sins are still active and on display around the world.

Might this be due to the more recent emergence of European supremacy with regard to human history, and the fact that Europeans didn’t actually commit genocide, as evidenced by high numbers of theconquered people living amongst European nations, many of whom came willingly after conflict? Spain conquered Mexico, but the Mexicans are not plowing into Spain, are they? What does America owe to the Mexicans?

And whether it is or not, whites are mostly losing the moral debate.

Only because, 1. They refuse to fight/argue/defend European culture. 2. They don’t know the actual history. 3. Actual history is obscured by those in charge of media/publishing/academia. 4. The attempts to quell racial pride/solidarity amongst European people is working. We are perceived as more guilty because we are accurately perceived as better.

The non-Western world and most of us are pawns and observe from the sidelines wondering what the heck is going on. Condemnation of Western colonialism is one thing, but why are whites deliberately destroying themselves, many probably ask.

I ask myself this question, but as you wrote above,western colonialism has been delineated from Arab, Turkish, Asian/Mongol, North African colonialism, for some strange reason. Is it better to colonize the group across the river rather than a group across the ocean? What’s the real difference?

I like to keep up with black, intellectual giants, such as Godfrey and Nick Cannon, so I can have a chuckle at their ignorance and ingratitude. So, Godfrey recently whines about how white people portray black African people as closely associated with theLion King schtick and primitive societal practices. He’s such an idiot, but he lives better in America than he would in Nigeria. Anyway, I follow a young African woman named Winnie in Uganda, not because I want to castigate her as a savage, but because I think she’s lovely and I’m interested in how people live in Uganda. Here’s what she posted about her village. I should send it to Godfrey. It’s only one minute long.

Video Link

I have explainedwhy not.

You may not agree with me, but you’re essentially responding as if you didn’t bother to read anything I wrote, so after reading/ignoring approximately what – 1,800 words – you can’t manage anything other thanwhynot, perhaps you should stick to topics like – why is the sky blue? Or, is the moon made of cheese? Or, did Abraham Lincoln really slay vampires? (Personally, I think the vampires were symbolic Jews, just like the Grinch)

If a majority of Americans (anyone else) were actually opposed to immigration they could’ve done something about it.

Like what, form private organizations like”Minute Men” and round up illegals themselves?

Or like what, pick up a gun and shoot immigrants and any brown person you see? What do you really think our options are?

American citizens on the border are decades ahead of you. They started taking action to protect their farms and families.

I don’t understand what exactly you’re saying.

The entire west has been betrayed by politicians and it doesn’t matter whom we vote for.

I get the sense you’re still trying to blame us somehow but really there’s nothing peaceful we can do about it.

The majority IS against immigration, everywhere. Why do you think Donald Trump is popular (I’m not saying he’s the real answer)?

Why are Europeans voting for parties that… SAY they are going to stop it?

You’re trying to blame John q citizen down the street and in some way it’s all our responsibility but none of us poor peons planned this or executed it over decades through private organizations and basically Jewish influence.

I’m guessing you don’t live in the (former) west and you’re trying to”prove” something?

I’m out man.

There aren’t 40 million

Not 12.6 %?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#Racial_categories:~:text=18.9%25-,Black,12.6%25,-Asian

If a majority of Americans (anyone else) were actually opposed to immigration they could’ve done something about it.

“Apartheid is evil” was my conveying a modern norm. It was not a statement of my personal belief.

But as a general rule, I don’t think it’s healthy for society to discriminate, stratify, and for one ethnic group to dominate another, and in particular, as in apartheid S. Africa, where the dominant group is a minority and the historical outsider.

My view is separation or assimilation. Pick one. Don’t keep people around you don’t like, exploit their labor, and discriminate. It’s not a wholesome way to build society.

There aren’t 40 million. They over-inflate that number with half-black and quadroon people being counted as black, and 30% of the black population is a non-naturalized immigrant, or an illegal immigrant.

There are really only about 21-25 million blacks. It just seems higher because they’re not self-segregating like they used to, and they’re being put in more positions of authority than ever before

A large majority of Americans can’t vote to stop illegal immigration, why not?

Are you a bot?

You talk in circles, numerous times it’s been pointed out to you that governments and parties DO NOT represent the actual desires of the populace.

I don’t think Donald Trump is a savior (first clue: watching the fucker get into Henry Kissinger’s limo to get his marching orders). HOWEVER he is vilified by the media for one reason: he says he wants to close the border. THAT is not allowed in the current discourse.

The Koch brothers and the 30% Jew money for Republicrats (Coca-Cola) require cheap labor for their corporate empires.

The 70% Jew money for Demopublicans (Pepsi) require the border to be open to destroy America.

Is it any wonder why people say that we can’t vote out of this problem? WE ARE NOT GIVEN ANYONE TO VOTE FOR!!!

In Canada we can vote for the PPC (540 meters, 10 heat 10 damage) party and have our votes literally lost or thrown away. They are an anti-immigration party with mostly immigrant candidates. Or as white shitlibs in Canada call them “racists.”

It’s the same in Europe. Vote for that blonde bitch in Italy, well she’ll let them in anyway. Vote for the AfD party, well it turns out we’re not THAT anti-immigrant. Vote for the conservatives in England, well we’re going to let in more migrants and immigrants than Tony Bliar could dream of and then we’ll stuff the hotels full.

What cleverness do you really think you’re getting at here? It’s fucking lost on me. I think you’re fucking retarded.

I think you’re here to blame the voters and try to make them look like the ones “tricked” into voting for immigration.

A large majority of Americans can’t vote to stop illegal immigration, why not?

Taylor gives weird advice:

Let the blacks at the top keep their fancy offices and their SUV motorcades and their fat paychecks.

Just put white people back in every job that matters. Brains and honesty would go a long way in South Africa.

Yeah, sure, expect “Black Lives” of SA to give up habits which, through Jewish patronage, became the basis of their power.

The IQ disparity is one of the main reasons Blacks here in the US are so universally angry. They honestly are not bright enough to understand just how lacking in ability they are. Most of them have grown up with a never ending stream of excuses for why they fail — but none of those excuses has been the truth; “You simply are not talented enough to succeed.” Blacks attempting to become Engineers literally do not understand why they have to study math. “I can draw a bridge just as pretty as any White guy can! The only reason they make us study math is to weed out Black students!” By the way, that is not a made up quote. It is paraphrased slightly, but was spoken recently by a Black engineering student.

The problem of being too stupid to understand what is happening is not strictly limited to Africans. How many White people have embraced CO2-caused global warming when the limit of their understanding is “CO2 traps heat!”? That’s all they know, that’s more than they understand, and they think that it is more than enough to explain a complex system with so many variables and feedbacks that no computer on earth can predict more than a few days in advance. Try to explain to them and they will tell you “Once you study simple high school science, you will understand!”

What a sound and logical solution!
This is why kike-lovers and secret enjoyers of the BBC like jared taylor and 3/4th of the anglos and boomers here will never accept this.
If your solution is enacted, where will they get their BBC and black women slaves to divulge their carnal desires?

It seems that people do not understand the depth of the depravity of the so-called “huwhites”, a.k.a anglo mutts.

Conquest happens. Migration happens. We can call it moral or immoral, but that’s a human perspective

This is correct. And, human nature is what it is, yes? We see similar behaviors in animals, who fight/kill/migrate for territory, resources, etc. So, to a certain extent, humans have done/are doing what comes natural to all living beings. At some point, civilizationarrived wherein humans began seeking a life of cooperation and permanence by anchoring themselves to a particular land by constructing an environment to sustain society, i.e., agriculture, domesticated animals, cultural/artistic endeavors, rules/laws of conduct, and the problem, at least the way I see it, is that now, and through all of human history, certain groups rise to the occasion, whilst others do not/have not/will not/ can not. We are not all the same. Some people must be made to conform to at least basic constraints for a functioning society, or they must be cast out. Today, the expectations of constraint/consequences are no longer happening in western nations.

Ethics are more complicated

Yes, and would you agree that there is a universal concept of what is acceptable in a society? Or, do different groups seem to have varying ideas about what is acceptable, or what is the ideal, within a prosperous/orderly nation?

There is, of course, a distinction that must be made between organized violence (military/militias/government) and local violence (carjackers, grocery store looters, mobs). In both cases, European people are raked over the coals for organized endeavors (expansion wars, conquest, slave trade), although every society has committed these acts, and the local violence of minority groups, in western nations and in their home nations, is overlooked, ignored, or blamed/excused on past oppression or exploitation by Europa. Again, the double standard and the dishonesty is astonishing.Everyone knows why Detroit is no longer theParis of the West, but no one can say,blacks ruined Detroit. When the Parisians left, there was no more Paris – there is only Africa/Haiti. Egypt is no longer the center of the world because the ancient Egyptians were replaced or annihilated or bred out of the population.

Apartheid is evil.

Is it? Was it? The Dutch displaced no one when they arrived and built South Africa. In point of fact, the English were more devastating to the Boer/Dutch population than the blacks were until Apartheid fell. So, whilst the English did invade and push the Dutch around, the nation still prospered and progressed exponentially; the decline began after the blacks were given the reins, and it is absolutely true that nearly all of the blacks in South Africa are descendants of people who arrivedafter the Dutch settled therein. Do you really think the blacks in Africa today are living better than they were prior to 1994? Of course, you can say it’s their life to lead, and it is, so why are Africans coming to western nations in droves? They do seem to enjoy mayhem more than any other group – did you see any Hurricane Katrina footage? – and on that note, here is another observation on black attitudes/entitlement that seems to only occur in western nations:

Model Iman comes willingly to White America, from Somalia, in 1975; she becomes wildly successful, but she whines/complains about a lack of opportunities for black women, and she bemoans white beauty standards in a White nation, and she whined about it in Europe, also. Comedian Godfrey, whose parents immigrated to the U.S. from Nigeria, rails constantly about White America and racism – no one brought/forced his parents to America – and he recently ranted about Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet in The Netherlands, and how the Dutch just want an opportunity to prance around in blackface, although he acknowledges the black represents soot, but no, they’re just antagonizing black people – in a Dutch nation. They come to America/Europe for prosperity; they appreciate nothing and blame Whites for all inequities.

Thomas Sowell actually said that sub-Saharan Africa was centuries (it’s more like millennia, IMO) behind Europe in development because they had no navigable ports. He said that. Yet, the Dutch arrived and managed, somehow.

I think the word “indigenousness” is leading to misunderstanding. It’s partly my fault because it’s a loaded term and I failed to clarify.

No, I understood your meaning. My relatives are from Germany, The Netherlands, and Ireland, but I was born in America, and I consider myself indigenous. Regardless of what the PC people say, North America was largely uninhabited, and those residing therein were mostly Neolithic people, who by 1492-1600, had not progressed beyond rudimentary societies. It was inevitable that they would be conquered, as a whole, as those within their race were so doing to the lesser/smaller tribes, so it is what it is. It’s interesting how Native American Indians nearly all revered, admired, and accepted the warrior/conquest/torture-your-adversaries mentality, until a vastly, superior Warrior arrived. Why aren’t the Apaches and Comanches taken to task over the misery they brought to the Mexicans, other tribes, and to each other? There’s that double standard again. Therefore, Whites/Europeans owe nothing to the Indians. They should thank us for not skinning them alive and staking them in ant beds. They still have land, benefits, tax allowances; there are tribes who accepted their defeat, and just got on with it; they accepted what the U.S. offered, and they are living successfully in many areas. Unlike the Palestinians, they can do/go whatever/wherever they want in America. I ski at a resort owned by Indians. It’s no Aspen, but Aspen is ridiculous.

There is evidence of advanced society/technology in Mexico, Central/South America, but the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, etc., all say the ruins/structures/observatories/knowledge were already there when their people arrived. It’s a bit like Detroit, yes?

Double-standard by the left shouldn’t change the underlying moral principle. If whites are unfairly excluded, the right response is not to throw away the principle

I agree with what you say in principle, but in reality, it doesn’t work unless everyone, or the vast majority of people, agree to comport themselves accordingly. The local behaviors of blacks, Mexicans, South/West Asians are not, in general, suitable for the European model. And, East Asians arrive in droves as well, and they also join the color brigade against white people.

I find the capitulation by whites rather deplorable. If blacks/browns say they don’t need Whites, fine by me, but I would close the borders; deport every illegal; deport every national who commits a crime, along with his/her family, and I would box everyone not white out, i.e., no more entitlements; no more affirmative action; no more scholarships based on race; no more DIE efforts, so on…..

Go to the Congo, China,Malmo, Caracas, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and start bitching about their customs/standards/policies, and whine about how you don’t feel adequately represented in their nation – see what happens.

But they vote for the politicians/parties that allow/encourage immigration?

Are you in America? Are you familiar with the termsanctuary city? The U.S. government is technically required to protect the borders of the U.S., so if Mayor Hee-Haw pledges to support illegal migrants, the Feds should be saying –You can do no such thing. Since the Feds do not do this, nor do they close/protect the borders, nor deport illegals, the ongoing contention between states rights and the overreaching Federal government is the biggest challenge. Congress has no prosecutorial/enforcement powers; they are powerless against the Judiciary. Secondary, is the propensity for the Color Brigade to align against White America, at all levels of government.

Here’s what they say:

Together, let’s build a Boston for everyone.

Michelle Wu is a mom, a daughter of immigrants, and a fierce believer that we can solve our deepest challenges through building community….

Here’s what they do:

City’s ‘Electeds of Color’
Ryan King, New York Post, December 13, 2023

But they vote for the politicians/parties that allow/encourage immigration?

I don’t think I’ve said anything in obverse. Conquest happens. Migration happens. We can call it moral or immoral, but that’s a human perspective. In nature, there’s nothing really moral or immoral, only life and its variegated expression.

Morality is one of the arguments we use to defend the homeland. An argument based on “indigenous” rights is a strong moral argument because most rational actors understand it and accept it. It’s an idea that is a species of “do unto others” and if you can’t “love your neighbor”, then at least respect his home.

Morality is a tool of understanding and shaping human behavior, inter-relationships, and personal actions because humans are high cognitive beings that need ideas, reason and meaning to go about his day. So while, ultimately, people can bonk each other on the head, raid his neighbor’s home, and steal his wife (and “nature” won’t stop him but applaud him if he succeeds), without a moral construct to justify what he just did, the gains will probably not last or he might develop a drinking habit.

I’ve said for decades that the analogy that will get through to ordinary people is sex differences. Nobody, even with an IQ of under 100, is going to be fooled by being shown a short, weak, and/or peaceful man and a tall, strong, violent woman into no longer believing that men are overall and on average the stronger, more violent, etc.

And, crucially, that these differences are heavily genetic. It’s not cultural influence or male dominance etc. that makes men taller. America is not withholding protein from females to keep them short. Ordinary people get this on a deep, gut level.

As our society has descended into increasing levels of insanity, now a significant portion may start to reject common sense about sex differences, but not Christian conservatives. THIS is how to get through to them.

I don’t really advocate that much, but I do propose geopolitical theories. One idea I have is that all White Europeans should be withdrawn from the non-white lands of the Old World and resettled either in Europe, North America or Oceania. Saliently, that means South Africa and Israel. Those who do not leave will be told, you will be absolutely on your regardless of what happens. The only help you will get is assistance being removed in an emergency if the strategic situation permits it. Remember that, if the strategic situation permits it.

The numbers are not in balance, of course. But what leg does the West have to stand on if the West continues to support the presence of Western enclaves in the Old World lands of non-White European peoples?

If Africa needs administration and outsiders to maintain the industrial and commercial economies, the Indians and the Chinese can do it.

In the American situation, black families who over generations have never adjusted to Northern life should be encouraged to return to the South. Through the process, the Republican Party will again predominate in the Northeast Quadrant of the United States and balance will be restored to American politics. By this I mean not just numerical balance, but also a balance of th0ught and a functional pluralism.

Under this regime, the United States hopefully will return to its position as an economically dynamic and socially peaceful geopolitical isolate.

The process of return to the South on the part of American blacks already is underway. All I am envisioning is accelerating that process so that American society, including its black members and the post-1970 immigrants and their progeny, can enjoy the benefits before America blows up, centrifugates or collapses.

If the West needs anything from Africa, pay for it in good money and try to get it back through the sale of capital and agricultural products. But don’t maintain any Western enclaves outside of the West. This is the only way stopping non-European immigration becomes morally and transactionally possible. Maybe access to Western universities should be restricted too. If people want Western-style advanced education, they can get it in their own lands. Not like it isn’t possible.

you holols and your hololdomer, i expectorate in your humidor and use it as my spittoon.

And even BETTER, wait until your beef is a century out of fucking date, when Europe finally is all but out – even France’s unofficial economic empire in Niger and Burkina Faso and Nigeria etc. is finally crumbling.

Great timing!

Blame people who weren’t even alive when this shit happened.

poor macron, and the poor rothschilds that weren’t even alive when all these terrible crimes occurred, (hey wait a minute weren’t they the one’s that funded this in the first place?).

oh, poor europa, raped by the savages she attempted to help, out of the pure goodness of her heart. well maybe she should take her ass back home and tell the whore to take her worthless franc back with her, as she has imported more than enough consorts to satisfy her for decades to come.

as far as the french franc is concerned, it is as dead as the dollar, the euro, and the pound, better spend it while it is still accepted!

i promise you achmed, would i lie to you? as i get older i too, have a hard time holding my bladder, my suggestion is to think about baseball.

You need a whole bunch of fairly smart people to carry out instructions properly. Africa just doesn’t have them.

Of course they have them. With a population of 1.7 billion there will be enough. Many are in post secondary education on other continents, but haven’t gone or don’t want to go back. There are people with Down’s Syndrome that can carry out instructions properly. It’s less complicated than you think. The corruption is endemic, as it is in Arab countries, Asia, and among (((certain groups))) wherever they reside.

You can think of the liberals as sorcerers, who use magic chants to bewitch and control their enemies.

Under “vulgar Marxism” the idea was that workers would be relieved of their toil, and people could switch professions and jobs freely, thanks to a lack of social constraints of the “Capitalist” society and somehow acquiring the skills necessary to execute all of the jobs and professions. Impossible on the face of it, but convincing enough to kill ~97 million people.

Under today’s liberalism, the same idea has been dressed up a bit. Now people can become the Übermensch without bothering with a Communist society and a new Communist man. All they need do is destroy their society, which is preventing (through intersectionality) them from becoming Übermensch . Obviously, the worst cases should be taken care of first, so Trans and Black get “present discrimination”. Just as obviously, the dominant society should be destroyed first, and that is the “White society”, formerly known as the “Capitalist society”.

The strength of this approach is it requires no work on the part of the revolutionaries. They are, after all, being prevented from becoming Übermensch, and an only become Übermensch after the destruction is complete. To rephrase, they need not actually do anything Übermenschish, just complain about being oppressed.

This is the real world version of magic spells and enchantments: memes, in the strict definition of the term. A real world example of the originally classical Greek saying that “to argue well is the end of reason”. It is logically unassailable. Zimmerman captured it in two verses:

Advertising signs that con
You into thinking you’re the one
That can do what’s never been done
That can win what’s never been won
Meantime, life outside goes on
All around you

You lose yourself, you reappear
You suddenly find you got nothing to fear
Alone you stand with nobody near
When a trembling distant voice, unclear
Startles your sleeping ears to hear
That somebody thinks they really found you

And at that point the only recourse is to fight it out, for logic and proportion have fallen stony dead and there is no common ground between minds. Evil fighting good, good fighting evil, and the question of which is which unanswerable, even in principle.

I’ve seen recently that in WW II 9 civilians were killed for every combatant. In recent US operations, it’s been ~3 to 1, which is good by historical standards. Wellington, Napoleonic Wars, had about 45% of his troops KIA, as did his principle opponents. No idea how many civilians died from suddenly finding themselves inhabiting a fencing mat for giants.

Evil fighting good, good fighting evil, and the question of which is which unanswerable, even in principle.

Are you sure a majority of the people are opposed to it?

Yes.

Over time a majority of the voters continue to vote for the politicians/political parties that allow immigration to continue. Are you sure a majority of the people are opposed to it?

When voters vote for politicians who allow/promote immigration, they vote for immigration!

There’s no way to vote out of this. Which may have something to do with the shitty voter turnouts.

It’s going to have to be violence. Sigh.

I doubt that would help your whatever agenda. If anything, the experience would further radicalize the students, considering how many anglo/CIA/jew spooks they are going to encounter working at the African governments.

And oh boy, what would a leftist type think when they are harassed by jared taylor/boomer kike sucking spooks.

Let’s face it, the extermination of the West is now a certainty. There is no intellectual elite that wants to help sincerely, and the lower classes are just hopeless, even on Unz.

The Wrath of God is comprehensive. People look for spectacles. God just makes an entire evil civilization/species go the way of the dodo.

These Harvard high IQ kids should go to Africa and spend at least one year there working with politicians and other groups. But they are so self indoctrinated that i doubt a literal immersion on Subsaharian Realness would change their faulty point of views.

A majority of the political parties allow/agree to import non-Europeans, with the backing of a majority of the voters, in every election.

I’m not sure this is true. Emanuel Celler was a Jew from NYC. He was elected to congress in 1923. Did he campaign with promises to change the immigration laws? I don’t know, but he immediately set to oppose/overturn/reform immigration rules that placed restrictions due to national origin. The “reform” didn’t occur until 1965 because it was not supported, in general. What happened to cause the change?

Just to prove to you that Jews are disproportionately perfidious shysters, who often conceal their true purposes, read this excerpt taken from The Jewish Virtual Library on Celler:

Celler’s determination to fight U. S. immigration quotas was particularly reinforced one Sundayduring World War II when a bearded rabbi came to his home…The rabbi in a black hat and long coat, clutching a cane, spoke forcefully to Celler. “Don’t you see, can’t you see?” the rabbi asked, “Won’t you see that there are millions — millions — being killed. Can’t we save some of them? Can’t you, Mr. Congressman, do something?” Celler equivocated, averring that President Roosevelt had told him that he sympathized with the Jewish plight but could not divert ships being used to transport war material and soldiers to bring in refugees.The rabbi’s reply moved Celler to tears: “If six million cattle had been slaughtered,” he observed, “there would have been greater interest.”
The end.

Notice anything odd about this cockamamie story? Was this Rabbi able to predict the future? Let me tell you something about the Jews – the extraordinary accuracy of their predictions about impending wars/conflicts is astonishing. Either the hand of Moloch is meddling in human affairs, or the Jews are meddling, and often playing both sides in culture/politics.

Do you really believe the average person in Texas/Arizona wants or chose to have thousands of foreign people, mostly young males, crossing the border every day? Coming here with only a backpack and a cellphone? Do you really believe there will be no terrible ramifications because of it? How are African/Asian men getting to the borders in Mexico?

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet over White people complaining about migration from black/brown nations, but what you don’t realize is the places whence they came are what they are because of the very people crossing the border. They will not make things better in America/Europe. I can’t explain why politicians can’t/won’t stop it. A bunch of Arab teenagers gang-raped a girl in Germany recently; they received very little jail time andwill not be deported. ? Something very strange is going on.

Achmed E. Newman: “The people being voted on have been SELECTED. They’re all for immigration. … Donald Trump was not one who was selected.”

Oh, right. The orange-haired guy who wanted to build a wall with a BIG, BEAUTIFUL DOOR (his words) in it for legal immigrants to enter. Yet you pretend he was so much different.

The real reason there are no anti-immigrant candidates or platforms is that America’s Christian culture won’t allow it. Anyone opposed to immigration of non-whites can very easily be tarred with the sticky black ‘R’ of racism, which is the kiss of death in such a culture. Politicians know this and behave accordingly.

Don’t vote for selectees!

I wasn’t clear enough. The people being voted on have been SELECTED. They’re all for immigration. Vote, don’t vote, the open borders people win. Or they’ll lie their ass off about it for a year before election, like the execrable John McCain, aka, Juan McAmnesty.

Donald Trump was not one who was selected. That’s why they hate him so.

When voters vote for politicians who allow/promote immigration, they vote for immigration!

So people vote for people who allow immigration, i.e. they vote for immigration?

A majority of the political parties allow/agree to import non-Europeans, with the backing of a majority of the voters, in every election.

People vote for political parties/politicians who go along with Hart/Celler, in every election.

illegal migrants being bussed/flown all over the country in the dead of night

Because people vote for political parties/politicians who bus/fly illegal migrants all over the country in the dead of night, in every election.

I don’t hate nigs but they don’t belong in leadership roles

Excellent comment, TTTT! I have read on the Comanche Indians. Holy moley, you’d better have a strong stomach to even read about it. These people loved to burn people alive and torture them in all ways. Nothing personal against the White Man either – they’d do it to other tribes. Savages. Warfare and stealing horses was their LIFE, period. The women were beasts of burden with benefits.

Thanks for elucidating what I was trying to say to the Man of the East. Your last reply, MoE, was interesting, and there’s room for discussion.

However, as we are both now trying to explain to you, it’s not the idea of indigenousness that I really have a problem with (though you gotta have some kind of scale – is it 50 years, a century, 5 centuries?). It’s that the people of the left ONLY USE THIS TERM FOR BLACK/BROWN people. That’s why I question them with “well, who was on the land before ‘you people’? You haven’t been there forever either.” Note that plaque at the Four Corners monument*.

If you use that word, you’re playing their game, because to them it does not ever mean White people. OTOH, if you fight this BS in some way, putting yourself as “indigenous” in a resume or application, more power to you. I respect that. That’s the same as checking off the “Native American” box if you were born here and getting the job or admission as a result. Too bad if they can’t use terms correctly. Not my problem.

Finally, back to TTTT, re: the Texas Nat’l Guard and Feds on their border. Not only did the Feds cut the wire, but they specifically did it right where and when people wanted to get in, gave them room, and fist-bumped the illegal aliens, as the Texans were watching. I’d have been close to putting the guy in my rifle scope. What the Texans NEED to do is arrest the Feds when they do that. This thing is going to get started some time …

.

* Speaking of Indians, the Navajo run that place, as it’s on their big mostly NE-Arizona reservation. It was pretty fun, back in the 2nd Flu Manchu summer, ’21. As soon as I took my stupid “required” face mask off – outside in the beautiful sunshine – so did other people, and we all relaxed and took pictures at the quadripoint of 4 States.

LaraCraft339: “All souls dying in the womb will go back to heaven.”

We have to admire the shamelessness of such a rationalization. Feminists used to say that it’s not a baby in there, not a child, but only a clump of cells. Now, they say you bet it’s a child, that’s why we’re killing it! Women actually don’t like children very much at all and killing them is a kind of liberation for them; it’s a woman’s declaration of independence from men, a way of saying a big fuck you to the patriarchy. I’ve heard that extreme feminists even proceed to eat the aborted child. You go girl!

With this new line the human rights scam artists are taking, we can foresee the day that abortion will be a sacrament of the Catholic Church. Sending souls back to heaven! They poke a hole in the back of their child’s skull and suck out its brains with a vacuum device, and then they have to effrontery to call it a beneficent, blessed act! LOL

Of course, it’s long been known that the best, most ingenious way to destroy a so-called “human right” isn’t by denying it outright, but by introducing another human right. Thus, the child’s right to life is destroyed by “a woman’s right to choose”. Similarly, the right of whites to freely associate is destroyed by the negro’s right to enjoy equal access to all sections of society, and the right to free speech is destroyed someone else’s right not to be made “uncomfortable” by it.

The Roe v. Wade decision in 1973 marked a great cultural inflection point, and I wrote some more about it here:

https://www.unz.com/jfreud/the-renewed-relevance-of-the-exorcist1973-in-the-demonic-age-of-wokeness/#comment-6307485

Europeans vote for immigration in all elections, in all Western countries.

Really? In which specific election did you cast a vote on immigration policy, assuming you live in a western nation?

Hart/Celler was not on any ballot, anywhere, as far as I know. Why are illegal migrants being bussed/flown all over the country in the dead of night, if everyone voted to get them here?

Feast your eyes on this:

[…] But the Hart-Celler Immigration Act, also known as theImmigration and Nationality Act of 1965, is the foundation for the mosaic of ethnic and racial diversity in the United States today.

As I looked out at the faces of my students last spring–nearly half had parents or grandparents from the Middle East and South Asia– I realized how important it is to teach about this piece of legislation that is usually forgotten in the curriculum.Depending on where you teach, you might also have many students who would not be in your class were it not for this law, as it led to a dramatic increase in the numbers of immigrants coming to the U.S. from Latin American and Asia in particular.Most of teach about the dramatic increase in immigration during the period 1880-1920. Common sense would suggest we should teach about 1965, too, no matter what the ethnic background is of our students. –some idiot teacher in Chicago named Lauren S. Brown

Common sense would suggest the Middle Easterners and the South Asians bring the Middle East/South Asia with them. Common sense would also suggest Ms. Brown is an activist, not a teacher.

Your reply appeared when I had less than 1 minute in the 5-minute EDIT window. Sorry if I duplicated anything. Thanks for the Canadian angle.

Not exactly, Gvalter. Just as in America, it’s Americans voting for PEOPLE, all of whom, besides that one orange-haired dude, are FOR the immigration invasion. So, you can vote for one or the other – in Europe, one or these 6 others – but ALL of them are for immigration madness, and that’s what you’re gonna get.

(I’m simplifying, as Congress is involved too, but it’s mostly the same damn deal there, not always.)

So, those who say don’t vote, as you give this all legitimacy, have a good point when you think of this. That’s another argument for another day …

Europeans vote for immigration in all elections, in all Western countries.

When polled all voters in Canada for years, maybe decades 70% do not want more immigration INCLUDING RECENT IMMIGRANTS due to at least the insane rising housing costs.

Sometimes there’s no party to vote for. I went to a PPC party event and it was brown immigrants who want Canada to remain a good place to do business, as in not communist, not globalist. The legacy media calls them “racists” and honestly when I talk to white shitlibs they actually believe this.

I’ve only voted for PPC but it’s basically a protest vote at this point, obviously there are shenanigans as they poll a lot higher than they ever “get” during an election. Polls show them at 11% sometimes, then they “get” 3% in an election.

I don’t think our elections are sound. I can’t say much about other countries.

I believe if “voting” is a thing people want, then there’s only one way for the modern digital world to let this happen:

DROP THE SECRET BALLOT.