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Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)                        P. ResnickRequest for Comments: 7282                   Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.Category: Informational                                        June 2014ISSN: 2070-1721On Consensus and Humming in the IETFAbstract   The IETF has had a long tradition of doing its technical work through   a consensus process, taking into account the different views among   IETF participants and coming to (at least rough) consensus on   technical matters.  In particular, the IETF is supposed not to be run   by a "majority rule" philosophy.  This is why we engage in rituals   like "humming" instead of voting.  However, more and more of our   actions are now indistinguishable from voting, and quite often we are   letting the majority win the day without consideration of minority   concerns.  This document explains some features of rough consensus,   what is not rough consensus, how we have gotten away from it, how we   might think about it differently, and the things we can do in order   to really achieve rough consensus.   Note: This document is quite consciously being put forward as   Informational.  It does not propose to change any IETF processes and   is therefore not a BCP.  It is simply a collection of principles,   hopefully around which the IETF can come to (at least rough)   consensus.Status of This Memo   This document is not an Internet Standards Track specification; it is   published for informational purposes.   This document is a product of the Internet Engineering Task Force   (IETF).  It represents the consensus of the IETF community.  It has   received public review and has been approved for publication by the   Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG).  Not all documents   approved by the IESG are a candidate for any level of Internet   Standard; seeSection 2 of RFC 5741.   Information about the current status of this document, any errata,   and how to provide feedback on it may be obtained athttp://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7282.Resnick                       Informational                     [Page 1]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014Copyright Notice   Copyright (c) 2014 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the   document authors.  All rights reserved.   This document is subject toBCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal   Provisions Relating to IETF Documents   (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of   publication of this document.  Please review these documents   carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect   to this document.  Code Components extracted from this document must   include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of   the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as   described in the Simplified BSD License.Table of Contents1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .32.  Lack of disagreement is more important than agreement . . . .4   3.  Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed,       but not necessarily accommodated  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7   4.  Humming should be the start of a conversation, not the end  .  105.  Consensus is the path, not the destination  . . . . . . . . .13   6.  One hundred people for and five people against might not be       rough consensus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .14   7.  Five people for and one hundred people against might still be       rough consensus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .168.  Conclusion  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .189.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1810. Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .18Appendix A.  Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .19Resnick                       Informational                     [Page 2]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 20141.  Introduction   Almost every IETF participant knows the aphorism from Dave Clark's   1992 plenary presentation [Clark] regarding how we make decisions in   the IETF:      We reject: kings, presidents and voting.      We believe in: rough consensus and running code.   That is, our credo is that we don't let a single individual dictate   decisions (a king or president), nor should decisions be made by a   vote, nor do we want decisions to be made in a vacuum without   practical experience.  Instead, we strive to make our decisions by   the consent of all participants, though allowing for some dissent   (rough consensus), and to have the actual products of engineering   (running code) trump theoretical designs.   Having full consensus, or unanimity, would be ideal, but we don't   require it: Requiring full consensus allows a single intransigent   person who simply keeps saying "No!" to stop the process cold.  We   only require rough consensus: If the chair of a working group   determines that a technical issue brought forward by an objector has   been truly considered by the working group, and the working group has   made an informed decision that the objection has been answered or is   not enough of a technical problem to prevent moving forward, the   chair can declare that there is rough consensus to go forward, the   objection notwithstanding.   To reinforce that we do not vote, we have also adopted the tradition   of "humming": When, for example, we have face-to-face meetings and   the chair of the working group wants to get a "sense of the room",   instead of a show of hands, sometimes the chair will ask for each   side to hum on a particular question, either "for" or "against".   However, in recent years we have seen participants (and even some   folks in IETF leadership) who do not understand some of the   subtleties of consensus-based decision making.  Participants ask,   "Why don't we just vote?  Why are we bothering with this 'humming'   thing?"  Or even more concerning, "We've already hummed/voted, so why   isn't the discussion concluded?"  Chairs, many of whom have little   experience in leading large volunteer groups like those in the IETF,   let alone experience in how to gather consensus, are faced with   factious working groups with polarized viewpoints and long-running   unresolved issues that return again and again to the agenda.  More   and more frequently, people walk away from working groups, thinking   that "consensus" has created a document with horrible compromises to   satisfy everyone's pet peeve instead of doing "the right thing".Resnick                       Informational                     [Page 3]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   None of these things are indicators of a rough consensus process   being used, and the fact that we are seeing them is likely due to   some basic misperceptions.   This document explains some features of rough consensus, explains   what is not rough consensus, discusses some new ways to think about   rough consensus, and suggests ways that we might achieve rough   consensus and judge it in the IETF.  Though this document describes   some behaviors of working groups and chairs, it does so in broad   brushstrokes and it does not prescribe specific procedures.  Rather,   this document is intended to foster understanding of the underlying   principles of IETF consensus processes.  While it may be of general   interest to anyone interested in the IETF consensus processes, the   primary audience for this document is those who have experience   working in the IETF and are trying to understand and participate in   the consensus-building process, and it is particularly aimed at   generating thought and discussion among those who might lead a   consensus discussion.  Although most of the examples in this document   talk about working group chairs, these principles apply to any person   who is trying to lead a group to rough consensus, whether a chair, a   design team leader, a document editor, an area director, or any   community member who is facilitating a discussion or trying to assess   consensus.   While the community has come to rough consensus that the principles   expressed in this document are (at least approximately) right, many   of our current practices are not consistent with these principles.   Again, this document is primarily intended to generate thought and   discussion, not dictate practices.  If the IETF does commit itself to   these principles, practices may change in the future.2.  Lack of disagreement is more important than agreement   A working group comes to a technical question of whether to use   format A or format B for a particular data structure.  The chair   notices that a number of experienced people think format A is a good   choice.  The chair asks on the mailing list, "Is everyone OK with   format A?"  Inevitably, a number of people object to format A for one   or another technical reason.  The chair then says, "It sounds like we   don't have consensus to use format A.  Is everyone OK with format B?"   This time even more people object to format B, on different technical   grounds.  The chair, not having agreement on either format A or   format B, is left perplexed, thinking the working group has   deadlocked.   The problem that the chair got themselves into was thinking that what   they were searching for was agreement.  "After all", thinks the   chair, "consensus is a matter of getting everyone to agree, so askingResnick                       Informational                     [Page 4]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   whether everyone agrees is what the chair ought to do.  And if lots   of people disagree, there's no consensus."  But _determining_   consensus and _coming to_ consensus are different things than   _having_ consensus.   The distinction might be a bit subtle, but it's important.   Engineering always involves a set of tradeoffs.  It is almost certain   that any time engineering choices need to be made, there will be   options that appeal to some people, but are not appealing to some   others.  In determining consensus, the key is to separate those   choices that are simply unappealing from those that are truly   problematic.  If at the end of the discussion some people have not   gotten the choice that they prefer, but they have become convinced   that the chosen solution is acceptable, albeit less appealing, they   have still come to consensus.  Consensus doesn't require that   everyone is happy and agrees that the chosen solution is the best   one.  Consensus is when everyone is sufficiently satisfied with the   chosen solution, such that they no longer have specific objections to   it.   So, in the case of a working group decision, after the initial   discussion of the pros and cons of the available choices, it is most   important to ask not just for objections to a particular proposal,   but for the nature of those objections.  A chair who asks, "Is   everyone OK with choice A?" is going to get objections.  But a chair   who asks, "Can anyone not live with choice A?" is more likely to only   hear from folks who think that choice A is impossible to engineer   given some constraints.  Following up with, "What are the reasons you   object to choice A?" is also essential.  Then, the purported failings   of the choice can be examined by the working group.  The objector   might convince the rest of the group that the objections are valid   and the working group might choose a different path.  Conversely, the   working group might convince the objector that the concerns can be   addressed, or that the choice is simply unappealing (i.e., something   the objector can "live with") and not a show-stopper.  In any event,   closure is much more likely to be achieved quickly by asking for and   trying to accommodate the objections rather than asking for   agreement.   The above discussion does not mean that sorting out disagreements is   the only thing that needs to be done for successful consensus.  An   engineering solution that has no objections, but also has no base of   support and is met with complete apathy, is not a solution that has   any useful sort of consensus.  Consensus does require the active   engagement and eventual support of those who are working on the   solution.  However, finding mere "agreement" among participants is   not enough.  People might very well agree that a solution isResnick                       Informational                     [Page 5]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   sufficient and have no objection to it, but if they also don't   actively think it's a good and correct outcome, it's absurd to   declare that the group has consensus.   There is also an important point to be made about reaching consensus   and "compromising": Unfortunately, the word "compromise" gets used in   two different ways, and though one sort of compromising to come to   consensus is good (and important), the other sort of compromising in   order to achieve consensus can actually be harmful.  As mentioned   earlier, engineering always involves balancing tradeoffs, and   figuring out whether one engineering decision makes more sense on   balance compared to another involves making engineering   "compromises": We might have to compromise processor speed for lower   power consumption, or compromise throughput for congestion   resistance.  Those sorts of compromises are among engineering   choices, and they are expected and essential.  We always want to be   weighing tradeoffs and collectively choosing the set that best meets   the full set of requirements.   However, there is another sense of "compromise" that involves   compromising between people, not engineering principles.  For   example, a minority of a group might object to a particular proposal,   and even after discussion still think the proposal is deeply   problematic, but decide that they don't have the energy to argue   against it and say, "Forget it, do what you want".  That surely can   be called a compromise, but a chair might mistakenly take this to   mean that they agree, and have therefore come to consensus.  But   really all that they've done is capitulated; they've simply given up   by trying to appease the others.  That's not coming to consensus;   there still exists an outstanding unaddressed objection.  Again, if   the objection is only that the choice is not ideal but is otherwise   acceptable, such a compromise is fine.  But conceding when there is a   real outstanding technical objection is not coming to consensus.   Even worse is the "horse-trading" sort of compromise: "I object to   your proposal for such-and-so reasons.  You object to my proposal for   this-and-that reason.  Neither of us agree.  If you stop objecting to   my proposal, I'll stop objecting to your proposal and we'll put them   both in."  That again results in an "agreement" of sorts, but instead   of just one outstanding unaddressed issue, this sort of compromise   results in two, again ignoring them for the sake of expedience.   These sorts of "capitulation" or "horse-trading" compromises have no   place in consensus decision making.  In each case, a chair who looks   for "agreement" might find it in these examples because it appears   that people have "agreed".  But answering technical disagreements is   what is needed to achieve consensus, sometimes even when the people   who stated the disagreements no longer wish to discuss them.Resnick                       Informational                     [Page 6]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   Coming to consensus is when everyone (including the person making the   objection) comes to the conclusion that either the objections are   valid, and therefore make a change to address the objection, or that   the objection was not really a matter of importance, but merely a   matter of taste.  Of course, coming to full consensus like that does   not always happen.  That's why in the IETF, we talk about "rough   consensus".3.  Rough consensus is achieved when all issues are addressed, but not    necessarily accommodated   The preceding discussion gives an example where the working group   comes to consensus on a point: Either the objector is satisfied with   the answer to the objection, or the working group is satisfied that   the objection is valid and changes course.  But that doesn't happen   all of the time, and it's certainly not the problematic case.  Again,   engineering is always a set of tradeoffs.  Often, a working group   will encounter an objection where everyone understands the issue and   acknowledges that it is a real shortcoming in the proposed solution,   but the vast majority of the working group believes that   accommodating the objection is not worth the tradeoff of fixing the   problem.   So, an objector might say, "The proposal to go with protocol X is   much more complicated than going with protocol Y.  Protocol Y is a   much more elegant and clean solution, which I can code much more   easily, and protocol X is a hack."  The working group might consider   this input, and someone might respond, "But we have a great deal of   code already written that is similar to protocol X.  While I agree   that protocol Y is more elegant, the risks to interoperability with   an untested solution are not worth it compared to the advantages of   going with the well-understood protocol X."  If the chair finds, in   their technical judgement, that the issue has truly been considered,   and that the vast majority of the working group has come to the   conclusion that the tradeoff is worth making, even in the face of   continued objection from the person(s) who raised the issue, the   chair can declare that the group has come to rough consensus.  (And   even though this is framed in terms of a "vast majority", even that   is not necessarily true.  This point is discussed in more detail in   Sections6 and7.)   Note that this portrays rough consensus as a fallback.  In one sense,   it is: As a working group does its work and makes its choices, it   behaves as if it is striving toward full consensus and tries to get   all issues addressed to the satisfaction of everyone in the group,   even those who originally held objections.  It treats rough consensus   as a sort of "exception processing", to deal with cases where the   person objecting still feels strongly that their objection is validResnick                       Informational                     [Page 7]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   and must be accommodated.  But it is certainly true that, more often   than not in the IETF, at least someone in the group will be   unsatisfied with a particular decision.  In that sense, rough   consensus might be closer to the norm than the exception.  However,   when a participant says, "That's not my favorite solution, but I can   live with it; I'm satisfied that we've made a reasonable choice",   that participant is not in the "rough" part of a rough consensus; the   group actually reached consensus if that person is satisfied with the   outcome.  It's when the chair has to declare that an unsatisfied   person still has an open issue, but that the group has truly answered   the objection, that the consensus is only rough.   Now, a conclusion of having only rough consensus relies heavily on   the good judgement of the consensus caller.  The group must truly   consider and weigh an issue before the objection can be dismissed as   being "in the rough".  ("In the rough" is terminology from golf.   "The rough" is the term for the longer grass at the side of the   fairway, and if your ball has landed in the rough you are off course   and away from the normal direction of play.  The phrase gets used   quite a bit in the IETF as a play on words to complement "rough   consensus" meaning that you are "in the rough" if you find yourself   not agreeing with the rough consensus.)  The chair of a working group   who is about to find that there is only rough consensus is going to   have to decide that not only has the working group taken the   objection seriously, but that it has fully examined the ramifications   of not making a change to accommodate it, and that the outcome does   not constitute a failure to meet the technical requirements of the   work.  In order to do this, the chair will need to have a good idea   of the purpose and architecture of the work being done, perhaps   referring to the charter of the working group or a previously   published requirements document, or even consulting with other   experts on the topic, and then the chair will use their own technical   judgement to make sure that the solution meets those requirements.   It is possible that the chair can come to the wrong conclusion, and   the chair's conclusion is always appealable should that occur, but   the chair must use their judgement in these cases.  What can't happen   is that the chair bases their decision solely on hearing a large   number of voices simply saying, "The objection isn't valid."  That   would simply be to take a vote.  A valid justification needs to me   made.Resnick                       Informational                     [Page 8]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   It is important to recognize that this view of rough consensus is a   change from the way it sometimes has been characterized in the IETF.RFC 1603 [RFC1603] described rough consensus as the "dominant view"   of the group:      Working groups make decisions through a "rough consensus" process.      IETF consensus does not require that all participants agree      although this is, of course, preferred.  In general the dominant      view of the working group shall prevail.  (However, it must be      noted that "dominance" is not to be determined on the basis of      volume or persistence, but rather a more general sense of      agreement.)  Consensus can be determined by balloting, humming, or      any other means on which the WG agrees (by rough consensus, of      course).   The above says that consensus can be "determined" by balloting and   humming, and there are certainly IETF folks who have thought of rough   consensus as being primarily about the percentage of people who agree   with a decision.  Indeed,RFC 2418 [RFC2418] adds on to the above   text by stating, "Note that 51% of the working group does not qualify   as 'rough consensus' and 99% is better than rough."  This document   actually disagrees with the idea that simply balloting or otherwise   looking at percentages can "determine" consensus.  While counting   heads might give a good guess as to what the rough consensus will be,   doing so can allow important minority views to get lost in the noise.   One of the strengths of a consensus model is that minority views are   addressed, and using a rough consensus model should not take away   from that.  That is why this document talks a great deal about   looking at open issues rather than just counting the number of people   who do or do not support any given issue.  Doing so has some   interesting and surprising implications that are discussed in   subsequent sections.   Any finding of rough consensus needs, at some level, to provide a   reasoned explanation to the person(s) raising the issue of why their   concern is not going to be accommodated.  A good outcome is for the   objector to understand the decision taken and accept the outcome,   even though their particular issue is not being accommodated in the   final product.   Remember, if the objector feels that the issue is so essential that   it must be attended to, they always have the option to file an   appeal.  A technical error is always a valid basis for an appeal.   The chair in making the consensus call (or whoever is responsible to   hear an appeal) may determine that the issue was addressed and   understood, but they also have the freedom and the responsibility to   say, "The group did not take this technical issue into proper   account" when appropriate.  Simply having a large majority of peopleResnick                       Informational                     [Page 9]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   agreeing to dismiss an objection is not enough to claim there is   rough consensus; the group must have honestly considered the   objection and evaluated that other issues weighed sufficiently   against it.  Failure to do that reasoning and evaluating means that   there is no true consensus.4.  Humming should be the start of a conversation, not the end   We don't vote in the IETF.  In some ways, we can't vote: Since the   IETF is not a membership organization, it's nearly impossible to   figure out who would get a vote for any given question.  We can't   know who the "members" of any given working group would be at any one   time, and we certainly can't know who all of the "members" of the   IETF would be: That's why we refer to "participants" in the IETF; the   IETF doesn't really have "members".  Indeed, we often recruit   additional implementers and other experts into working groups in   order to ensure that broader views are brought into the discussion.   So, voting is simply not practical.  We've also decided that coming   to consensus (albeit sometimes rough consensus) is an important thing   to do.  Final decisions are supposed to be taken on the mailing list,   which reinforces the idea that we come to consensus by looking at the   open issues and not counting heads.  We do, on occasion, take   informal polls to get a sense of the direction of the discussion, but   we try not to treat a poll as a vote that decides the issue.  When we   do discuss things face-to-face, we don't want to vote there either;   we want to show that we are coming to consensus.  So, sometimes, to   reinforce the notion that we're not voting, instead of a show of   hands, we often "hum".   However, more and more we see people who think that a hum is a sort   of anonymous vote, with some chairs calling every question they have   for the working group by asking for a hum and judging the result by   the loudest hum, even saying things like, "There were lots of hums   for choice 1 and very few hums for choice 2, so it sounds like we   have rough consensus for choice 1."  This misses some really   important points of using humming and is almost certainly mis-   assessing the consensus.  Hums should not be used as votes.   So, why should we engage in this strange practice of humming?  What   are good reasons to "take a hum"?  One reason is pragmatic.  Quite   often, a chair is faced with a room full of people who seem to be   diametrically opposed on some choice facing the group.  In order to   find a starting place for the conversation, it can be useful for the   chair to ask for a hum to see if one of the choices already has a   stronger base of support than the other (or any significant base of   support at all, for that matter).  Sometimes the hum can tell a chairResnick                       Informational                    [Page 10]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   that the room isn't all that contentious after all, that it's just a   few voices who were being especially vociferous during the initial   discussion.   Sometimes, the hum will make it clear that choice "foo" has a   significant amount more support than choice "bar", and it is   therefore likely easier to start the discussion by saying, "OK, 'foo'   seems to have quite a bit of support.  Let's have the people that   think 'foo' is a bad idea come up and tell us why it is problematic."   At that point, the group can start going through the issues and see   if any of them are showstoppers.  It could always turn out that one   of the objections is instantly recognized by the entire group as a   fatal flaw in "foo" and the group will then turn to a discussion of   the merits (and demerits) of "bar" instead.  All that the hum does is   give the chair a starting point: The hum indicated that there were   less objections to "foo" than to "bar" at the beginning of the   discussion, so starting with the objections to "foo" might shorten   the discussion.   Another good reason for us to hum is because it actually gives the   chair the opportunity to take the temperature of the room.  A smaller   bunch of loud hums for choice A and a larger number of non-committal   hums for choice B might indicate that some people believe that there   are serious problems with choice B, albeit the more popular by sheer   number of people.  The chair might decide that starting with choice A   and getting objections to it is the easier path forward and more   likely to result in consensus in the end.  Remember, coming to   consensus is a matter of eliminating disagreements, so the chair   wants to choose the path that gets to the least objections fastest.   A bunch of people who are not strongly committed to B might have no   real technical objection to A, even though it is not their first   preference.  There is always a chance that this could be misleading,   or even abused, because some people are more willing to hum loudly   than others (just by dint of personality), or that one of the quieter   hums actually turns out to be a show-stopper that makes the original   choice impossible.  However, keep in mind that taking the hum in this   case is to figure out how to start the conversation.  The chair could   always be surprised because the hum turns out to be unanimous and no   further discussion is needed.  Otherwise, the hum begins the   discussion, it doesn't end it.   But couldn't all of the above could have been done with a show of   hands instead of a hum?  Absolutely.  Indeed, on a mailing list there   is no way to use humming and so a different kind of polling would be   needed.  Even in face-to-face situations, sometimes we do use a show   of hands.  But there are more symbolic reasons for using a hum   instead of a show of hands when face-to-face: Of course, a chair   could get the temperature of the room by doing a show of hands too,Resnick                       Informational                    [Page 11]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   and knowing who specifically feels one way or another can help a good   chair guide the subsequent conversation.  However, a show of hands   might leave the impression that the number of people matters in some   formal way.  A chair and a working group with a solid understanding   of how consensus works can certainly do a show of hands and achieve   exactly the same result as a hum.  But with less experienced folks, a   show of hands can end up reinforcing the mistaken notion that a vote   is taking place.  A chair can always take the hum and then later ask   for specific folks to identify themselves to elicit more discussion.   The advantage of the hum is that it makes it perfectly clear that the   chair is simply figuring out the direction of the conversation.   This also points to another misuse of any kind of informal polling:   If the chair is already convinced that the group has come to   consensus, there isn't much reason to take a poll.  In fact, taking a   poll can serve to discourage those who might be in the minority from   voicing their concerns to the group in the face of a large majority   who wants to move forward.  Often, the right thing for the chair to   do if they already sense consensus is to say, "It sounds to me like   we have consensus for choice A.  Does anybody have any concerns about   or objections to going with A?"  This allows folks to bring up issues   to the group that the chair might have mistakenly missed without   having them feel that the majority has "already spoken".   The reverse situation can also have similar advantages and   disadvantages: Sometimes a chair (say, of a birds-of-a-feather   session, or a working group discussing a new proposed document) might   want to make sure that there really is a good base of support to go   forward with a proposal, and takes a hum.  This can let the chair see   if there are more than a handful of active people who are really   interested in the new work.  However, this has pitfalls as well:   Someone may be dissuaded from raising what could be an essential   concern if they feel that the group is overwhelmingly in favor of   going forward, or conversely some folks may decide to "hum along with   the crowd" even though they're not committed to the outcome.  Indeed,   the formulation, or even the order, of questions asked during a hum   can have huge effects on the outcome: Asking simply, "Who supports   going forward with this proposal?", and asking it first, can itself   cause more people to hum in the affirmative than would for   differently formulated questions, or asking the same question after   some more "negatively" framed questions.  Any sort of polling,   whether hums or even a show of hands, must be done with caution and   should almost always be used to prompt discussion and questions, not   to conclude the matter.   There are times where the result of a hum is a pretty even split.  In   practical terms, that means it doesn't matter where the chair starts   the discussion.  And in fact, we've had working groups where a coinResnick                       Informational                    [Page 12]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   flip decided which proposal to start with.  That doesn't mean that   the coin flip determined the outcome; if a fatal technical flaw was   found in the solution that won the coin flip, it is still incumbent   upon the group to address the issue raised or abandon that solution   and find another.  Rough consensus on the technical points, in the   end, is always required.  Any way to find a place to start, be it the   hum or the coin flip, is only getting to the beginning of the   discussion, not the end.5.  Consensus is the path, not the destination   We don't try to reach consensus in the IETF as an end in itself.  We   use consensus-building as a tool to get to the best technical (and   sometimes procedural) outcome when we make decisions.  Experience has   shown us that traditional voting leads to gaming of the system,   "compromises" of the wrong sort as described earlier, important   minority views being ignored, and, in the end, worse technical   outcomes.   Coming to consensus by looking for objections, tracking open issues,   and using hums as the start of discussions and not the end can all   take some patience.  Indeed, sometimes objection-based or issue-based   decision making can be extremely difficult because there can be large   factions who have diametrically opposed views.  And there is no doubt   that we do see some amount of political compromise (that is, the   undesirable kind of compromise) from time to time in the IETF.   However, accepting these things has its price.  When we decide that a   discussion is too factious and opt to simply go with a majority, it   creates more polarized arguments in the future: Instead of working   toward the best technical outcome that most everyone can accept,   people are much quicker to run to opposing sides and dig in to their   positions.  And when we allow real technical issues to drop because   proponents have simply capitulated or have "horse-traded" to allow   other technical problems to remain, the end product is weaker.   Though the IETF can never be perfectly principled with regard to   rough consensus, failing to be vigilant about sticking to the   principles makes it increasingly hard to stick to them in the future,   and ends us up with worse technical output.   Again, coming to consensus is not the goal in itself.  Coming to   consensus is what we do during our processes to arrive at the best   solution.  In particular, "declaring" consensus is not an end goal.   Attempts to declare consensus at the end of a discussion just for the   sake of being able to say that there is consensus often get us back   into the voting mentality that we're trying to avoid.Resnick                       Informational                    [Page 13]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   We often hear chairs say that they are making a "consensus call".   Sometimes, they simply mean they are making a call _of_ the   consensus; that is, they are declaring the consensus that has, in   their view, been reached when the discussion has reached an end.   That's a fine thing and what chairs are supposed to do: They are   "calling" the consensus.  Sometimes, when a chair says that they are   making a "consensus call", the chair is actually making a call _for   discussion_ of a particular point in order to reach consensus.   Although it's a bit odd to call that a "consensus call" (as opposed   to a "call for discussion" or the like), it is fine for a chair to   occasionally identify a particular point of contention and get the   group to focus discussion on it in order to reach consensus.  But   more and more often, we hear chairs say that they are making a   "consensus call" at the end of a discussion, where the chair will   pose the classic "Who is in favor of choice A?  Who is in favor of   choice B?" questions to the working group.  That's not really a   "consensus call", and has the same potential problems as the "hum" at   the end of a discussion: It can be tantamount to asking for a vote.   Even talk of "confirming consensus" has this problem: It implies that   you can confirm that there is consensus by counting people, not   issues.  The important thing for a chair to do is to "call consensus"   in the sense of declaring the consensus; others can always object and   say that the chair has gotten the consensus wrong and ask for   reconsideration.  However, the chair ought to be looking for   consensus throughout the discussion, not asking for it at the end.   There are some times where chairs will ask a question or take a poll   toward the end of a discussion in order to figure out the state of   consensus, but this must be done with extreme caution.  This is   discussed in the next section.6.  One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough    consensusSection 3 discussed the idea of consensus being achieved when   objections had been addressed (that is, properly considered, and   accommodated if necessary).  Because of this, using rough consensus   avoids a major pitfall of a straight vote: If there is a minority of   folks who have a valid technical objection, that objection must be   dealt with before consensus can be declared.  This also reveals one   of the great strengths of using consensus over voting: It isn't   possible to use "vote stuffing" (simply recruiting a large number of   people to support a particular side, even people who have never   participated in a working group or the IETF at all) to change the   outcome of a consensus call.  As long as the chair is looking for   outstanding technical objections and not counting heads, vote   stuffing shouldn't affect the outcome of the consensus call.Resnick                       Informational                    [Page 14]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   So, in a large working group with over 100 active participants and   broad agreement to go forward with a particular protocol, if a few   participants say, "This protocol is going to cause congestion on the   network, and it has no mechanism to back off when congestion occurs;   we object to going forward without such a mechanism in place", and   the objection is met with silence on the mailing list, there is no   consensus.  Even if the working group chair makes a working group   "last call" on the document, and 100 people actively reply and say,   "This document is ready to go forward", if the open issue hasn't been   addressed, there's still no consensus, not even rough consensus.   It's the existence of the unaddressed open issue, not the number of   people, which is determinative in judging consensus.  As discussed   earlier, you can have rough consensus with issues that have been   purposely dismissed, but not ones that have been ignored.   This brings us back to when a poll could be used (cautiously) at the   end of a discussion.  Let's say a discussion has been ongoing for   some time, and a particular objection seems to be holding up the   decision.  A diligent chair who's been carefully listening to the   discussion might think, "I have heard person X make this objection,   and I've heard responses from many other folks that really address   the issue.  I think we have rough consensus.  But the objection keeps   coming up.  Maybe it's just the one person getting up again and again   with the same argument, but maybe we don't have rough consensus.  I'm   not sure."  At this point, the chair might ask for a hum.  If only a   single hum objecting can be heard, even a loud one, in the face of   everyone else humming that the objection has been answered, the chair   has pretty good reason to believe that they heard the single   objection all along and it really has been addressed.  However, to   say immediately after the hum, "It sounds like we have rough   consensus" and nothing else is at best being slipshod: What the chair   really needs to say at that point is, "I believe the only objection   we've heard is A (coming from person X), and I've heard answers from   the group that fully address that issue.  So, unless I hear a   different objection than the one I've just described, I find that   there is rough consensus to move on."  That leaves the door open for   someone to tell the chair that the objection was really on different   grounds and they misevaluated, but it makes it clear that the chair   has found rough consensus due to the discussion, not due to the hum.   Again, it's not the hum that ends things, it's that the issues have   been addressed.  If the small minority (even one person) still has an   issue that hasn't been addressed, rough consensus still hasn't been   achieved.   Even if no particular person is still standing up for an issue, that   doesn't mean an issue can be ignored.  As discussed earlier, simple   capitulation on an issue is not coming to consensus.  But even in a   case where someone who is not an active participant, who might notResnick                       Informational                    [Page 15]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   care much about the fate of the work, raises a substantive issue and   subsequently disappears, the issue needs to be addressed before the   chair can claim that rough consensus exists.7.  Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough    consensus   This one is the real mind-bender for most people, and certainly the   most controversial.  Say there is a very small working group, one   with half a dozen truly active participants who are experts in the   field; everybody else is just following along but not contributing to   the discussion.  The active folks come up with a protocol document   that they all agree is the right way forward, and people inside and   outside the working group agree that the protocol is likely to get   widespread adoption; it is a good solution to a real problem, even if   the non-experts don't have the ability to fully judge the details.   However, one of the active members has an objection to a particular   section: The protocol currently uses a well-known algorithm to   address an issue, but the objector has a very elegant algorithm to   address the issue, one which works especially well on their   particular piece of hardware.  There is some discussion, and all of   the other contributors say, "Yes, that is elegant, but what we're   using now is well-understood, widely implemented, and it works   perfectly acceptably, even on the objector's hardware.  There is   always some inherent risk to go with a new, albeit more elegant,   algorithm.  We should stick to the one we've got."  The chair follows   the conversation and says, "It sounds like the issue has been   addressed and there's consensus to stick with the current solution."   The objector is not satisfied, maybe even saying, "But this is silly.   You've seen that my algorithm works.  We should go with that."  The   chair makes the judgement that the consensus is rough, in that there   is still an objector, but the issue has been addressed and the risk   argument has won the day.  The chair makes a working group last call.   Then, the worst-case scenario happens.  The objector, still unhappy   that their preferred solution was not chosen, recruits one hundred   people, maybe a few who were silent participants in the working group   already, but mostly people who work at the same company as the   objector and who never participated before.  The objector gets them   all to post a message to the list saying, "I believe we should go   with the new elegant algorithm in section Z instead of the current   one.  It is more elegant, and works better on our hardware."  The   chair sees these dozens of messages coming in and posts a query to   each of them: "We discussed this on the list, and we seemed to have   consensus that, given the inherent risk of a new algorithm, and the   widespread deployment of this current one, it's better to stick with   the current one.  Do you have further information that indicatesResnick                       Informational                    [Page 16]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014   something different?"  And in reply the chair gets utter silence.   These posters to the list (say, some of whom were from the company   sales and marketing department) thought that they were simply voting   and have no answer to give.  At that point, it is within bounds for   the chair to say, "We have objections, but the objections have been   sufficiently answered, and the objectors seem uninterested in   participating in the discussion.  Albeit rough in the extreme, there   is rough consensus to go with the current solution."   Though the above example uses the most extreme form of recruiting   sheer numbers of people (i.e., from the sales and marketing   department), the same principle should hold true no matter how new or   how credible the objectors seem: The chair is trying to discover   whether objections have been addressed or if there are still open   issues.  If, instead of a bunch of sales and marketing people, the   new people to the conversation are developers or others who are   directly involved in creating the technology, or even folks who have   been participating the entire time whose knowledge of the technology   is not in question at all, the principle is still the same: If the   objection has been addressed, and the new voices are not giving   informed responses to that point, they can still justifiably be   called "in the rough".  Of course, the more involved and knowledgable   the objectors are, the more difficult it will be for the consensus   caller to make the call, but a call of rough consensus is reasonable.   The chair in this case needs to understand what the responses mean;   only sufficiently well-informed responses that justify the position   taken can really "count".   There is no doubt that this is the degenerate case and a clear   indication of something pathological.  But, this is precisely what   rough consensus is ideally suited to guard against: vote stuffing.   In the presence of an objection, the chair can use their technical   judgement to decide that the objection has been answered by the group   and that rough consensus overrides the objection.  Now, the case   described here is probably the hardest call for the chair to make   (how many of us are willing to make the call that the vast majority   of people in the room are simply stonewalling, not trying to come to   consensus?), and, if appealed, it would be incredibly difficult for   the appeals body to sort out.  Indeed, it is likely that if a working   group got this dysfunctional, it would put the whole concept of   coming to rough consensus at risk.  But still, the correct outcome in   this case is to look at the very weak signal against the huge   background noise in order to find the rough consensus.Resnick                       Informational                    [Page 17]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 20148.  Conclusion   Although this document talks quite a bit about the things chairs,   working groups, and other IETF participants might do to achieve rough   consensus, this document is not really about process and procedures.   It describes a way of thinking about how we make our decisions.   Sometimes, a show of hands can be useful; sometimes, it can be quite   damaging and result in terrible decisions.  Sometimes, using a device   like a "hum" can avoid those pitfalls; sometimes, it is just a poorly   disguised vote.  The point of this document is to get all of us to   think about how we are coming to decisions in the IETF so that we   avoid the dangers of "majority rule" and actually get to rough   consensus decisions with the best technical outcomes.9.  Security Considerations   "He who defends with love will be secure." -- Lao Tzu10.  Informative References   [Clark]    Clark, D., "A Cloudy Crystal Ball - Visions of the              Future", Proceedings of the Twenty-Fourth Internet              Engineering Task Force, pages 539-543, July 1992,              <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/24.pdf>.   [RFC1603]  Huizer, E. and D. Crocker, "IETF Working Group Guidelines              and Procedures",RFC 1603, March 1994.   [RFC2418]  Bradner, S., "IETF Working Group Guidelines and              Procedures",BCP 25,RFC 2418, September 1998.   [Sheeran]  Sheeran, M., "Beyond Majority Rule: Voteless Decisions in              the Religious Society of Friends", ISBN 978-0941308045,              December 1983.Resnick                       Informational                    [Page 18]

RFC 7282                      On Consensus                     June 2014Appendix A.  Acknowledgements   This document is the result of conversations with many IETF   participants, too many to name individually.  I greatly appreciate   all of the discussions and guidance.  I do want to extend special   thanks to Peter Saint-Andre, who sat me down and pushed me to start   writing, and to Melinda Shore for pointing me to "Beyond Majority   Rule" [Sheeran], which inspired some of the thinking in this   document.Author's Address   Pete Resnick   Qualcomm Technologies, Inc.   5775 Morehouse Drive   San Diego, CA  92121   US   Phone: +1 858 651 4478   EMail: presnick@qti.qualcomm.comResnick                       Informational                    [Page 19]

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