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Network Working Group                                      B. Aboba, Ed.Request for Comments: 4441                   Internet Architecture BoardCategory: Informational                                       March 2006The IEEE 802/IETF RelationshipStatus of This Memo   This memo provides information for the Internet community.  It does   not specify an Internet standard of any kind.  Distribution of this   memo is unlimited.Copyright Notice   Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006).Abstract   Since the late 1980s, IEEE 802 and IETF have cooperated in the   development of Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) MIBs and   Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) applications.   This document describes the policies and procedures that have   developed in order to coordinate between the two organizations, as   well as some of the relationship history.Table of Contents1. Introduction ....................................................21.1. Liaison Communications .....................................21.2. Access to IEEE 802 Archives ................................31.3. New Work Review ............................................31.4. MIB Review .................................................41.5. EAP Review .................................................41.6. AAA Review .................................................51.7. Document Review ............................................51.8. EtherType Allocation .......................................62. Security Considerations .........................................63. Informative References ..........................................74. Acknowledgements ...............................................12Appendix A.  Relationship History .................................13A.1.  MIB Development ..........................................13A.2.  AAA/EAP ..................................................16Appendix B.  IAB Members at the Time of This Writing ..............21IAB                          Informational                      [Page 1]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 20061.  Introduction   Since the late 1980s, participants in IEEE 802 and the IETF have   cooperated in the development of Management Information Bases (MIBs)   and Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) applications   relating to IEEE standards.  This has included the Bridge MIB   [RFC1493] [RFC4188], the multicast filtering and VLAN extension MIB   [RFC2674] [RFC4363], the Hub MIB [RFC2108], the Ethernet-like   Interfaces MIB [RFC3635], the MAU MIB [RFC3636], the WAN Interfaces   Sublayer MIB [RFC3637], the Power Ethernet MIB [RFC3621], IEEE 802.1X   RADIUS usage guidelines [RFC3580], the revised Extensible   Authentication Protocol (EAP) specification [RFC3748], RADIUS/EAP   [RFC3579], and the EAP State Machine specification [RFC4137].  This   document describes the policies and procedures that have been put in   place to encourage cooperation between the IETF and IEEE 802.   Details of the relationship history are included inAppendix A.   In order to improve communications between the IETF and IEEE 802,   members of the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) and   Internet Architecture Board (IAB) (including Bert Wijnen, James   Kempf, and Bernard Aboba) met with the IEEE 802 Executive Committee   in Vancouver, Canada, in January 2004.  At that meeting, a number of   issues were discussed and new procedures were put in place.1.1.  Liaison Communications   IETF Working Groups are organized into areas, which have one or more   Area Directors.  The Area Directors, plus the IETF Chair, comprise   the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG).  IEEE 802 Working   Groups have one or more Task Groups.  The IEEE 802 Working Group   Chairs, plus the IEEE 802 Chair, comprise the IEEE 802 Executive   Committee (ExComm).   Participants in the IETF are appointed as liaisons to other   organizations by the IAB or IESG as appropriate.  This includes a   liaison to IEEE 802 as well as liaisons to specific IEEE 802 Working   Groups.  The IETF liaison web page includes a list of IETF liaisons,   as well as a pointer to the archive of liaison statements received by   the IETF [Liaison-Page].  IETF processes for management of liaison   relationships are described in [BCP102]; procedures for handling of   incoming liaison statements are described in [BCP103].  In order to   ensure that liaison statements from IEEE 802 to the IETF are archived   and responded to, IEEE 802 liaisons to IETF should utilize the IETF   liaison management tool to submit liaison communications.  A username   and password suitable for use with the tool can be obtained by   sending mail to iesg-secretary@ietf.org.  If a liaison management   account is not available, liaison communications can be sent to the   IETF liaison(s) to IEEE 802 and copied to statements@ietf.org.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 2]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   However, in this case substantially greater processing delays will   occur due to the need for manual handling by the IETF Secretariat   staff.   Liaison requests from the IETF to IEEE 802 should be sent to the   Chair(s) of the IEEE 802 WG to which the request pertains, with a   copy sent to the IEEE 802 Chair and the IEEE 802 liaison(s) to IETF.   IEEE 802 procedures for communicating with other standards bodies are   described in Section 14.1 of [Policy].  Liaison communications to   IEEE 802 WGs are archived by the individual WGs.1.2.  Access to IEEE 802 Archives   Access to IEEE 802 standards more than six months old is provided   free of charge on the IEEE 802 website via the Get IEEE 802 Program   [GetIEEE-802].  Access to IEEE 802 work-in-progress has frequently   arisen as an issue in cooperation between IETF and IEEE 802.  While   in the past IETF Working Groups (WGs) have successfully negotiated   access to IEEE 802 work-in-progress, each instance has been handled   separately and took significant time and effort to complete.  In   order to more easily enable document access for IETF WGs   collaborating with IEEE 802, a liaison statement was sent to the IETF   in July 2004 by Paul Nikolich, Chair of IEEE 802 [IEEE-802Liaison],   describing the process by which IETF WGs can obtain access to IEEE   802 work-in-progress.  IEEE 802 WG Chairs have the authority to grant   membership in their WGs, and can use this authority to grant   membership to an IETF WG chair upon request.  The IETF WG chair will   be provided with access to the username/password for the IEEE 802 WG   archives, and is permitted to share that information with   participants in the IETF WG.  Since it is possible to participate in   IETF without attending meetings, or even joining a mailing list, IETF   WG chairs will provide the information to anyone who requests it.   However, since IEEE 802 work-in-progress is copyrighted,   incorporating material into IETF documents or posting the   username/password on mailing lists or websites is not permitted.1.3.  New Work Review   In order to enable IEEE 802 review of proposed IETF WG charters, as   well as to enable IETF review of proposed IEEE 802 Project   Authorization Requests (PARs), the New Work mailing list is used.   The IEEE 802 Executive Committee is subscribed to the list, so that   it can receive proposed IETF WG Charters.  Proposed IEEE 802 PARs are   posted to the New Work list as well.  Where a New Work announcement   is of particular interest, it is also (manually) forwarded to the   relevant IETF and IEEE 802 mailing lists.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 3]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   However, by the time an IETF WG Charter or IEEE 802 PAR appears on   New Work, a IETF BOF or IEEE 802 "Call for Interest" has already   occurred, interest has been demonstrated and considerable work has   gone into development of the Charter or PAR.  If problems are found   at that point, it is often too late in the process to make major   changes.  Therefore, where a potential work item is likely to be   controversial, discussions between IETF and IEEE 802 are encouraged   to occur earlier in the process.1.4.  MIB Review   With travel budgets under pressure, it has become increasingly   difficult for companies to fund employees to attend both IEEE 802 and   IETF meetings.  As a result, an alternative is needed to past   arrangements that involved chartering MIB work items within an IETF   WG.  In order to encourage wider review of MIBs developed by IEEE 802   WGs, it is recommended that Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)   MIBs developed in IEEE 802 follow the MIB guidelines [RFC4181] and be   reviewed as part of the IETF SNMP quality control process ('MIB   Doctors').  An IEEE 802 group may request assignment of a 'MIB   Doctor' to assist in a MIB review by contacting the IETF Operations   and Management Area Director.   By standardizing IEEE 802 MIBs only within IEEE 802 while utilizing   the SNMP quality control process, the IETF and IEEE 802 seek to   ensure quality while decreasing overhead.  A trial run of this   process has taken place in IEEE 802.1 where a MIB Doctor (David   Harrington) has agreed to review IEEE 802.1 MIBs.  Currently,   discussion is under way on how change control of selected IEEE 802.1   MIB documents published as RFCs can be transferred to IEEE 802.1   [MIB-TRANSFER].1.5.  EAP Review   Several IEEE 802 standards, including [IEEE-802.1X-2004],   [IEEE-802.11i], and [IEEE-802.16e], depend on EAP [RFC3748] and EAP   key management, described in [KEYFRAME].  Rather than developing   their own EAP methods, or extensions for EAP key management, IEEE 802   working groups should send a liaison letter to the IETF, outlining   the required functionality or requesting a review of draft text.   Most recently, a security review of IEEE 802.16e D8 [EAPREVIEW] has   been carried out by the EAP WG, at the request of the IEEE 802.16   Chair, Roger Marks [IEEE-802.16-Liaison1] [IEEE-802.16-Liaison2].IAB                          Informational                      [Page 4]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 20061.6.  AAA Review   IEEE 802 WGs requiring new AAA applications should send a liaison   request to the IETF.  Where new attributes are required rather than a   new application, an Internet-Draft can be submitted and review can   be requested from AAA-related WGs such as the AAA or RADEXT WGs.  For   attributes of general utility, and particularly those useful in   multiple potential applications, allocation from the IETF standard   attribute space is preferred to creation of IEEE 802 Vendor-Specific   Attributes (VSAs).  As noted in [RFC3575]:   RADIUS defines a mechanism for Vendor-Specific extensions (Attribute   26) and the use of that should be encouraged instead of allocation of   global attribute types, for functions specific only to one vendor's   implementation of RADIUS, where no interoperability is deemed useful.   Where allocation of VSAs are required, it is recommended that IEEE   802 create a uniform format for all of IEEE 802, rather than having   each IEEE 802 group create their own VSA format.  The VSA format   defined in [IEEE-802.11F] is inappropriate for this, since the Type   field is only a single octet, allowing for only 255 attributes.   Recently, the AAA Doctors list has been created within the IETF   Operations and Management Area Directorate, serving a similar   function to the MIB Doctors.  While the AAA Doctors have not yet been   called upon to assist with and review AAA work outside of the IETF,   this group could potentially be of assistance to IEEE 802 working   groups requiring help with AAA.1.7.  Document Review   With the areas of cooperation between IEEE 802 and IETF increasing,   the document review process has extended beyond the traditional   subjects of SNMP MIBs and AAA.  For example, as part of the IETF   CAPWAP WG charter, IEEE 802.11 was asked to review the CAPWAP   Taxonomy Document [RFC4118]; Dorothy Stanley organized an ad hoc   group for this purpose.  IEEE 802.11 has also reviewed [IDSEL] and   [IABLINK].  Within IETF, IEEE 802 comments are resolved using normal   WG and IETF processes.   IETF participants can comment as part of the IEEE 802 ballot process,   regardless of their voting status within IEEE 802.  Comments must be   composed in the format specified for the ballot, and submitted by the   ballot deadline.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 5]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 20061.8.  EtherType Allocation   The EtherType field is very limited, so that allocations are made   solely on an "as needed" basis.  For related uses, a single EtherType   should be requested, with additional fields serving as sub-protocol   identifiers, rather than applying for multiple EtherTypes.  EtherType   allocation policy is described in [TYPE-TUT].   While a fee is normally charged by IEEE 802 for the allocation of an   EtherType, IEEE 802 will consider waiving the fee for allocations   relating to an IETF standards track document, based on a request from   the IESG.2.  Security Considerations   As IEEE 802 becomes increasingly involved in the specification of   standards for link-layer security, experience has shown that it is   helpful to obtain outside review of work-in-progress prior to   publication.  This has proven somewhat challenging since access to   IEEE 802 work-in-progress documents is often tightly controlled.  For   example, special permission had to be obtained for IEEE 802.11i to be   able to circulate a version of its security standard-in-progress for   review.  A liaison between an IEEE 802 group and an IETF WG can help   in obtaining the necessary level of review.   Experience has also shown that IETF standards may not be written to   the level of clarity required by the IEEE 802 standards process.  In   the case of EAP [RFC3748], the process of developing the EAP state   machine specification [RFC4137] proved useful in uncovering aspects   requiring clarification, and the joint review process exposed IEEE   802 and IETF documents-in-progress to wider review than might   otherwise have been possible.   Similarly, the development of [IEEE-802.11i], [RFC3748], [KEYFRAME],   and [RFC4017] led to a deeper understanding of the limitations and   security vulnerabilities of the EAP/AAA system.  As described in   [Housley], it is not advisable to develop new AAA key management   applications without completing a security analysis, such as the   analysis provided in [KEYFRAME].   Due to weaknesses in the RADIUS specification [RFC2865], it is   relatively easy for protocol extensions to introduce serious security   vulnerabilities.  As a result, IETF review of IEEE 802 RADIUS   extensions is advisable, and the RADIUS IANA Considerations [RFC3575]   have been revised so as to require such a review in most cases.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 6]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 20063.  Informative References   [BCP102]        Daigle, L. and Internet Architecture Board, "IAB                   Processes for Management of IETF Liaison                   Relationships",BCP 102,RFC 4052, April 2005.   [BCP103]        Trowbridge, S., Bradner, S., and F. Baker,                   "Procedures for Handling Liaison Statements to and                   from the IETF",BCP 103,RFC 4053, April 2005.   [EAPREVIEW]     EAP WG letter to Roger Marks, June 2005,http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/review.txt.   [GetIEEE-802]   IEEE Standards Association Get IEEE 802 (R) Program,http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/portfolio.html.   [IDSEL]         Adrangi, F., Lortz, V., Bari, F., and P. Eronen,                   "Identity Selection Hints for the Extensible                   Authentication Protocol (EAP)",RFC 4284, January                   2006.   [Housley]       Housley, R. and B. Aboba,"AAA Key Management", Work                   in Progress, November 2005.   [IABLINK]       Aboba, B., "Architectural Implications of Link                   Indications", Work in Progress, August 2005.   [IEEE-80211Liaison1]                   IEEE 802.11 liaison letter to Harald Alvestrand,                   February 2002,https://www.ietf.org/IESG/LIAISON/ieee802.11.txt.   [IEEE-80211Liaison2]                   Input To IETF EAP Working Group on Methods and Key                   Strength, March 2003,http://www.ietf.org/IESG/LIAISON/LS-ieee-80211.txt.   [IEEE-802.11F]  Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers,                   "IEEE Trial-Use Recommended Practice for Multi-Vendor                   Access Point Interoperability via an Inter-Access                   Point Protocol Across Distribution Systems Supporting                   IEEE 802.11 Operation", IEEE 802.11F, June 2003 (now                   deprecated).   [IEEE-802Liaison]                   IEEE 802 Liaison letter to Bert Wijnen and Bernard                   Aboba, July 26, 2004,http://www.ietf.org/IESG/LIAISON/file41.pdf.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 7]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   [IEEE-802.1X-MIB]                   Norseth, K., "Definitions for Port Access Control                   (IEEE 802.1X) MIB", Work in Progress, November 2003.   [IEEE-802.1X]   IEEE Standards for Local and Metropolitan Area                   Networks: Port based Network Access Control, IEEE                   P802.1X-2001, June 2001.   [IEEE-802.1X-2004]                   IEEE Standards for Local and Metropolitan Area                   Networks: Port based Network Access Control, IEEE                   P802.1X-2004, December 2004.   [IEEE-802.1D]   ISO/IEC 15802-3 Information technology -                   Telecommunications and information exchange between                   systems - Local and metropolitan area networks -                   Common specifications - Part 3: Media access Control                   (MAC) Bridges, (also ANSI/IEEE Std 802.1D-1998),                   1998.   [IEEE-802.1Q]   IEEE Standards for Local and Metropolitan Area                   Networks: Draft Standard for Virtual Bridged Local                   Area Networks, P802.1Q, January 1998.   [IEEE-802.3]    ISO/IEC 8802-3 Information technology -                   Telecommunications and information exchange between                   systems - Local and metropolitan area networks -                   Common specifications - Part 3:  Carrier Sense                   Multiple Access with Collision Detection (CSMA/CD)                   Access Method and Physical Layer Specifications,                   (also ANSI/IEEE Std 802.3- 1996), 1996.   [IEEE-802.11]   Information technology - Telecommunications and                   information exchange between systems - Local and                   metropolitan area networks - Specific Requirements                   Part 11:  Wireless LAN Medium Access Control (MAC)                   and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications, IEEE                   P802.11-2003, 2003.   [IEEE-802.11i]  IEEE Supplement to Standard for Telecommunications                   and Information Exchange Between Systems - LAN/MAN                   Specific Requirements - Part 11:  Wireless LAN Medium                   Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)                   Specifications:  Specification for Enhanced Security,                   IEEE P802.11i, July 2004.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 8]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   [IEEE-802.16e]  IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area                   Networks - Part 16:  Air Interface for Fixed and                   Mobile Broadband Wireless Access Systems, Amendment                   for Physical and Medium Access Control Layers for                   Combined Fixed and Mobile Operation in Licensed                   Bands, IEEE P802.16e, September 2005.   [IEEE-802.16-Liaison1]                   Liaison letter from IEEE 802.16 to Bernard Aboba,                   March 17, 2005,http://ieee802.org/16/liaison/docs/L80216-05_025.pdf.   [IEEE-802.16-Liaison2]                   Liaison letter from IEEE 802.16 to Bernard Aboba, May                   5, 2005,http://ieee802.org/16/liaison/docs/L80216-05_039.pdf.   [KEYFRAME]      Aboba, B., Simon, D., Arkko, J., Eronen, P., and H.                   Levkowetz, "Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP)                   Key Management Framework", Work in Progress, October                   2005.   [Liaison-Page]  IETF Liaison Activities,http://www.ietf.org/liaisonActivities.html.   [MIB-TRANSFER]  Harrington, D., "Transferring MIB Work from IETF                   Bridge WG to IEEE 802.1 WG",  Work in Progress,                   October 2005.   [Mishra]        Mishra, A. and W. Arbaugh, "An Initial Security                   Analysis of the IEEE 802.1X Standard", Department of                   Computer Science, University of Maryland College                   Park, CS-TR-4328, February 2002.   [Policy]        IEEE Project 802 LAN MAN Standards Committee (LMSC)                   Policies and Procedures, September 14, 2005,http://www.ieee802.org/policies-and-procedures.pdf.   [RFC1493]       Decker, E., Langille, P., Rijsinghani, A., and K.                   McCloghrie, "Definitions of Managed Objects for                   Bridges",RFC 1493, July 1993.   [RFC2108]       de Graaf, K., Romascanu, D., McMaster, D., and K.                   McCloghrie, "Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE                   802.3 Repeater Devices using SMIv2",RFC 2108,                   February 1997.IAB                          Informational                      [Page 9]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   [RFC2284]       Blunk, L. and J. Vollbrecht, "PPP Extensible                   Authentication Protocol (EAP)",RFC 2284, March 1998.   [RFC2390]       Bradley, T., Brown, C., and A. Malis, "Inverse                   Address Resolution Protocol",RFC 2390, September                   1998.   [RFC2674]       Bell, E., Smith, A., Langille, P., Rijhsinghani, A.,                   and K. McCloghrie, "Definitions of Managed Objects                   for Bridges with Traffic Classes, Multicast Filtering                   and Virtual LAN Extensions",RFC 2674, August 1999.   [RFC2865]       Rigney, C., Willens, S., Rubens, A., and W. Simpson,                   "Remote Authentication Dial In User Service                   (RADIUS)",RFC 2865, June 2000.   [RFC2866]       Rigney, C., "RADIUS Accounting",RFC 2866, June 2000.   [RFC2867]       Zorn, G., Aboba, B., and D. Mitton, "RADIUS                   Accounting Modifications for Tunnel Protocol                   Support",RFC 2867, June 2000.   [RFC2868]       Zorn, G., Leifer, D., Rubens, A., Shriver, J.,                   Holdrege, M., and I. Goyret, "RADIUS Attributes for                   Tunnel Protocol Support",RFC 2868, June 2000.   [RFC2869]       Rigney, C., Willats, W., and P. Calhoun, "RADIUS                   Extensions",RFC 2869, June 2000.   [RFC3162]       Aboba, B., Zorn, G., and D. Mitton, "RADIUS and                   IPv6",RFC 3162, August 2001.   [RFC3575]       Aboba, B., "IANA Considerations for RADIUS (Remote                   Authentication Dial In User Service)",RFC 3575, July                   2003.   [RFC3579]       Aboba, B. and P. Calhoun, "RADIUS (Remote                   Authentication Dial In User Service) Support For                   Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP)",RFC 3579,                   September 2003.   [RFC3580]       Congdon, P., Aboba, B., Smith, A., Zorn, G., and J.                   Roese, "IEEE 802.1X Remote Authentication Dial In                   User Service (RADIUS) Usage Guidelines",RFC 3580,                   September 2003.   [RFC3621]       Berger, A. and D. Romascanu, "Power Ethernet MIB",RFC 3621, December 2003.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 10]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   [RFC3635]       Flick, J., "Definitions of Managed Objects for the                   Ethernet-like Interface Types",RFC 3635, September                   2003.   [RFC3636]       Flick, J., "Definitions of Managed Objects for IEEE                   802.3 Medium Attachment Units (MAUs)",RFC 3636,                   September 2003.   [RFC3637]       Heard, C.M., Ed., "Definitions of Managed Objects for                   the Ethernet WAN Interface Sublayer",RFC 3637,                   September 2003.   [RFC3748]       Aboba, B., Blunk, L., Vollbrecht, J., Carlson, J.,                   and H. Levkowetz, "Extensible Authentication Protocol                   (EAP)",RFC 3748, June 2004.   [RFC4017]       Stanley, D., Walker, J., and B. Aboba, "Extensible                   Authentication Protocol (EAP) Method Requirements for                   Wireless LANs",RFC 4017, March 2005.   [RFC4118]       Yang, L., Zerfos, P., and E. Sadot, "Architecture                   Taxonomy for Control and Provisioning of Wireless                   Access Points (CAPWAP)",RFC 4118, June 2005.   [RFC4137]       Vollbrecht, J., Eronen, P., Petroni, N., and Y. Ohba,                   "State Machines for Extensible Authentication                   Protocol (EAP) Peer and Authenticator",RFC 4137,                   August 2005.   [RFC4181]       Heard, C., Ed., "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers                   of MIB Documents",BCP 111,RFC 4181, September 2005.   [RFC4188]       Norseth, K. and E. Bell, "Definitions of Managed                   Objects for Bridges",RFC 4188, September 2005.   [RFC4363]       Levi, D. and D. Harrington, "Definitions of Managed                   Objects for Bridges with Traffic Classes, Multicast                   Filtering, and Virtual LAN Extensions",RFC 4363,                   January 2006.   [TYPE-TUT]      IEEE Standards Association, "Use of the IEEE Assigned                   EtherType Field with IEEE Std 802.3, 1998 Edition                   Local and Metropolitan Area Networks",http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/ethertype/type-tut.html.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 11]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 20064.  Acknowledgements   The authors would like to acknowledge Les Bell, Dan Romascanu, Dave   Harrington, Tony Jeffree, Fred Baker, Paul Congdon, Paul Langille,   and C. M. Heard for contributions to this document.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 12]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006Appendix A.  Relationship HistoryA.1.  MIB DevelopmentA.1.1.  Bridge MIB   The relationship between IETF and IEEE 802 began in the late 1980s   with SNMP MIBs developed for the original IEEE 802.1D standard.   Because the IEEE specification [IEEE-802.1D] contained only a   functional definition of the counters and operations, the IETF's   Bridge MIB WG took on the role of defining the Bridge MIB [RFC1493],   which was published as an RFC.  Fred Baker and later Keith McCloghrie   served as chairs of the Bridge WG.   The Bridge MIB combined the work of Keith McCloghrie, Eric Decker,   and Paul Langille, with spanning tree expertise provided by Anil   Rijsinghani.  Mick Seaman (author of 802.1D) and Floyd Backes (who   had written the code for Digital Equipment's spanning tree   implementation) were the main contacts within IEEE 802.1.  Since   Mick, Floyd, Anil, and Paul all worked for Digital Equipment   Corporation at the time, much of the coordination between IEEE 802.1   and the Bridge MIB WG took place in the hallways at Digital, rather   than within official channels.A.1.2.  MAU and Hub MIBs   In the early 1990s when IEEE 802.3 was completing the first Ethernet   standards, SNMP was not yet the dominant network management protocol.   As a result, a 'protocol independent' MIB is included in Clause 30 of   the IEEE 802.3 standard [IEEE-802.3], which is updated each time the   Ethernet standard is enhanced to support higher speeds.  In parallel,   IEEE 802 participants interested in network management were active in   the formation of the IETF HUBMIB WG, which took on the task of   transforming IEEE 802 definitions into SNMP MIBs documented as   Standards Track RFCs.  This included Dan Romascanu, Chair of the IETF   HUBMIB WG since 1996.   The Charter of the HUBMIB WG explicitly mentions that the IEEE 802.3   standard is the starting point for the Ethernet MIB, but at the same   time reserves the right to deviate from the IEEE model -- either to   cover only part of the capabilities offered by the standard or to add   MIB objects that are not directly derived from the IEEE model (mostly   implemented in software).  If management needs lead to requirements   for hardware support, the IETF HUBMIB WG is to provide this input to   IEEE 802.3 in a timely manner.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 13]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   Cooperation between the IETF HUBMIB WG and IEEE 802.3 has continued   for more than a decade until today, mostly based on the work of a few   editors supported by their companies, who are taking the IEEE   standards and mapping them into a management data model and MIBs.   Work items include:   - The Hub MIB [RFC2108], which has gone through three iterations,     and is probably ending its evolution, as repeaters are less used     in Ethernets.   - The MAU MIB, which has been updated each time a new Ethernet speed     is developed, with [RFC3636] accommodating 10-Gbps Ethernet.   - The Ethernet-like Interfaces MIB was not originally a work item     of the HUBMIB WG, but the WG took responsibility for a revision,     published as [RFC3635].   - The WAN Interface Sublayer MIB [RFC3637] and the Power Ethernet MIB     [RFC3621] were developed in IEEE 802.3 and the IETF HUBMIB WG.   In 2000, an official liaison was established between IEEE 802.3 and   the IETF HUBMIB WG, and Dan Romascanu was appointed IETF liaison.   The conditions of the liaison agreement allows editors and other   participants in the IETF HUBMIB WG access to work-in-progress drafts   in IEEE 802.3 on a personal basis, for the purpose of working on MIBs   before the release of the standard.  However, the username and   password for IEEE 802.3 document access are not for publication on   any IETF website or mailing list.A.1.3.  802.1p/Q MIB   In 1996 as the 802.1p and 802.1Q [IEEE-802.1Q] standards were being   completed, a need was perceived for development of an SNMP MIB, based   on the management clauses of those standards.  IEEE 802 management   clauses are written in a manner that was independent of any protocol   that may be used to implement them.   At that time, there were a number of proprietary VLAN management MIBs   that were both inadequate and difficult to understand.  As a result,   there was a need for a more comprehensive, simpler model for VLAN   management, along with the priority and multicast filtering   management also defined by these standards.   A small group of participants from the 802.1 WG began working on the   problem independently, then combined their work.  The original   authors of the Bridge MIB, on which some of the work was based,   reviewed the initial work.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 14]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   By the end of 1997, the work was ready for review by a larger   audience.  Andrew Smith worked with Keith McCloghrie, chair of the   Bridge MIB WG (dormant at the time), to obtain a meeting slot at the   March 1998 IETF meeting.  After this, review and development of the   MIB continued on the IETF standards track.   During the development of [RFC2674], there was no official inter-   working between the IETF Bridge MIB and IEEE 802.1 groups.   Development of this MIB was successful, because the main developers   (Andrew Smith and Les Bell) were involved in both the IEEE 802.1 and   the IETF Bridge MIB WGs.A.1.4.  802.3ad and 802.1X MIBs   As part of the IEEE 802.3ad and IEEE 802.1X standards work, it was   decided that it would be better to develop a MIB as part of the   standards, rather than wait until an IETF WG was formed, and develop   the MIBs separately, so as to avoid a significant time lag in their   development.   As Les Bell was the participant in IEEE 802.3ad and IEEE 802.1 most   familiar with SNMP MIB development, he put together the initial MIBs   based on the management framework the groups had come up with.   Additional assistance was then received for both MIBs from within the   IEEE 802.3ad and IEEE 802.1X groups.  Tony Jeffree, editor of both   standards, acted as editor of the MIBs as well.   The problem with IEEE 802 developing these MIBs without IETF   involvement was the lack of review.  IEEE 802 members are generally   not familiar with MIBs, and very few comments were received as part   of the balloting process for either MIB.   In the case of the IEEE 802.3ad MIB, this meant that basic errors   were not discovered until just before publication.  Unfortunately, by   then it was too late, and the corrections submitted to the IEEE   802.3ad chair and document editor did not get applied to the   published version.   Subsequent to the publication of [IEEE-802.1X], the IEEE 802.1X MIB   was reviewed within the Bridge WG, and several syntax errors were   found.  These have been corrected in the version of the MIB module   that was developed as part of [IEEE-802.1X-2004].  However, while   [IEEE-802.1X-MIB] was originally published as a work in progress   within the Bridge WG, there was not sufficient interest to complete   its publication as an RFC.  As a result, the draft has now expired.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 15]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006A.1.5.  802.1t, 802.1u, 802.1v, and 802.1w MIBs   802.1t and 802.1u were minor amendments to the 802.1D and 802.1Q   standards, requiring some additions to the MIB published in   [RFC2674].  802.1v was a new feature extending the VLAN   classification schemes of 802.1Q, also requiring extensions to   [RFC2674].  802.1w was a new version of Spanning Tree, requiring   rewriting of part of [RFC1493].   When Les Bell took on the role of Chair of the IETF Bridge MIB WG in   2001, these issues were raised as new work items and two volunteers   were found to become editors of the Internet-Drafts.  A work item was   also included to publish the IEEE 802.1X MIB as an Informational RFC.   This approach worked well for a while, but it then became difficult   for the participants, including the editors and the Chair, to sustain   a level of interest sufficient to overcome the difficulties   introduced by budget cutbacks.  As a result, the drafts have now   expired, although there are no significant technical issues   outstanding.A.2.  AAA/EAP   Since the late 1990s, IEEE 802.1 has been involved in work relating   to authentication and authorization [IEEE-802.1X], which led to   discovery of issues in several IETF specifications, including   [RFC2284] and [RFC2869].  Similarly, IETF participants have uncovered   issues in early versions of the RADIUS usage specifications such as   [RFC3580], as well as the IEEE 802.1X state machine [Mishra].   In order to address these issues and ensure synchronization between   IEEE 802.1 and the IETF EAP and AAA WGs, a liaison arrangement was   utilized during the development of [IEEE-802.1X] and   [IEEE-802.1X-2004].   IEEE 802.11 groups such as IEEE 802.11i and IEEE 802.11F have also   become dependent on EAP and AAA work.  This relationship was more   challenging since IEEE 802.11 required development of EAP methods and   the EAP Key Management Framework, which represented substantial new   IETF work, as opposed to the clarifications and updates required by   IEEE 802.1.A.2.1.  IEEE 802.1X   IEEE 802.1X-2001 [IEEE-802.1X] defined the encapsulation of EAP   [RFC2284] over IEEE 802, as well as a state machine for the joint   operation of IEEE 802.1X and EAP.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 16]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   During the development of IEEE 802.1X-2001, several problems were   discovered in the specification for RADIUS/EAP [RFC2869], and as a   result, work was begun on a revision [RFC3579].  In addition,   clarifications were required on how RADIUS attributes defined in   [RFC2865], [RFC2866], [RFC2867], [RFC2868], [RFC2869], and [RFC3162]   would be interpreted by IEEE 802.1X implementations.  To address   this, a non-normative RADIUS usage appendix was added to   [IEEE-802.1X], and published as [RFC3580].   Subsequent to the publication of [IEEE-802.1X], a formal analysis of   the IEEE 802.1X state machine by the University of Maryland disclosed   several security issues [Mishra].  Discussion within IEEE 802.1   pointed to lack of clarity in [RFC2284], which resulted from the   absence of a specification for the EAP state machine specification.   At that time, EAP was handled within the IETF PPPEXT WG, which was   largely inactive.  In order to undertake work on a revised EAP   specification as well as the specification of the EAP state machine,   the IETF EAP WG was formed in July 2002.  Bernard Aboba, a   participant in IEEE 802.1 as well as PPPEXT, was named co-chair.   Work on the EAP state machine [RFC4137] and revised EAP specification   [RFC3748] proceeded in parallel within the EAP WG, with issues or   changes in one document requiring changes to the other document, as   well as revisions to [IEEE-802.1X-2004].  The revised RADIUS/EAP   specification [RFC3579] was also reviewed within the EAP WG, since at   that time the RADEXT WG had not yet been formed.   The revision to IEEE 802.1X [IEEE-802.1X-2004] included the   following:   - a revised RADIUS usage appendix based on [RFC3580]   - clarifications based on [RFC3579]   - a revised IEEE 802.1X state machine, based on [RFC3748] and     [RFC4137]   Due to the deep dependencies between [IEEE-802.1X-2004], [RFC3748],   and [RFC4137], a liaison was established between IEEE 802.1X-REV and   the IETF EAP WG in August 2002.  This enabled participants in the   IETF EAP WG to obtain access to the IEEE 802.1X revision in progress.   IEEE 802 groups are duty bound to consider all comments received,   regardless of their origin.  This allows IETF participants to comment   as part of the IEEE 802 ballot process, regardless of their voting   status within IEEE 802.  Where there is active cooperation, IETF WGs   may be made aware that IEEE 802 ballots are occurring and that theirIAB                          Informational                     [Page 17]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   comments are welcome.  IEEE 802.1X-REV and IEEE 802.11i ballots were   announced on the EAP WG mailing list, as are IEEE 802 interim meeting   arrangements.   Similarly, during the IEEE 802.1X-REV ballot process, comments were   received relating to [RFC3748], [RFC4137], and [RFC3579].  These   comments were tracked on the EAP WG Issues List, and were   subsequently addressed in the documents.   In April 2003, [RFC3580] was approved by the IESG for publication as   an RFC, and in May 2003, [RFC3579] was approved for publication as an   RFC.  The review process for both drafts involved bringing the   documents to IETF last call, and then reposting the IETF last-call   announcement on the IEEE 802.1 mailing list.  While ballot comments   on IEEE 802.1X-REV were also reflected in changes to both documents,   it was necessary for both documents to be approved for publication as   RFCs well in advance of Sponsor Ballot, in order to ensure that RFC   numbers would be assigned in time, so as to avoid delaying   publication.   Overall, despite the complex inter-dependencies between   [IEEE-802.1X-2004], [RFC3748], and [RFC4137], the documents were   produced without undue delay.  This was largely due to the work of   joint participants in IEEE 802.1 and IETF EAP WG.A.2.2.  IEEE 802.11i   IEEE 802.11i was chartered to specify security enhancements to   [IEEE-802.11].  Since [IEEE-802.11i] utilized IEEE 802.1X, it   depended on [IEEE-802.1X-2004].  As a result, IEEE 802.11i and IEEE   802.1 held joint meetings at IEEE 802 plenaries and established a   liaison arrangement that permitted members of either group (as well   as EAP WG participants) access to IEEE 802.11i work-in-progress.   Since [IEEE-802.11i] depended on [IEEE-802.1X-2004], it inherited the   dependencies of [IEEE-802.1X-2004], including work on EAP, EAP   methods, and AAA support for EAP.  In addition, since IEEE 802.11i   utilized EAP for key management whereas [IEEE-802.1X] does not,   additional security requirements arose with respect to EAP methods.   In February 2002, IEEE 802.11 sent a liaison letter to the IESG   [IEEE-80211Liaison1] requesting additional work on EAP, EAP methods,   and EAP key management.  This letter was presented at the second EAP   BOF at IETF 53, and was used as input to the EAP WG charter.  In   March 2003, another liaison letter was presented, providing further   clarifications on requirements for EAP method work   [IEEE-80211Liaison2].  This included a request from IEEE 802.11i forIAB                          Informational                     [Page 18]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   the EAP WG to consider changing the mandatory-to-implement EAP method   within [RFC3748], so as to provide a method meeting the security   requirements of IEEE 802.11i.   During IETF 56, the request for changing the mandatory-to-implement   method was considered by the EAP WG.  A recommendation was made by   the Internet Area Director Erik Nordmark that the IEEE 802.11i   requirements be documented in an RFC and that the EAP WG consider the   security requirements for EAP methods in various situations.  It was   recommended not to change the mandatory-to-implement method, since   the EAP WG was not chartered to do work on methods.  However, it was   decided to produce a document describing the EAP method requirements   for WLAN usage.  This document was subsequently published as   [RFC4017].   Most recently, IEEE 802.11r has been involved in discussions relating   to fast handoff, which may potentially require AAA extensions as well   as changes to the EAP key hierarchy.  However, the direction of this   work has not yet been determined so that no liaison request has been   formulated yet.   In April 2003, Dorothy Stanley was appointed liaison from IEEE 802.11   to the IETF, in order to help coordinate between IEEE 802.11 and IETF   WGs, including AAA, BMWG, CAPWAP, and EAP.A.2.3.  IEEE 802.11F   IEEE 802.11F was chartered with development of a recommended practice   for Inter-Access Point Communications.  As part of development of an   Inter-Access Point Protocol (IAPP), it was necessary to secure   communications between the access points, as well as to support the   reverse resolution of the MAC address of the previous access point to   its IP address, so as to allow the two access points to communicate   via IAPP.  Since the two access points might not be on the same link,   Inverse ARP [RFC2390] was not considered sufficient in all cases.   IEEE 802.11F elected to extend the RADIUS protocol [RFC2865] to   provide inverse address resolution as well as IPsec key management.   This was accomplished via use of Vendor-Specific Attributes (VSAs),   as well as new RADIUS commands, added through definition of   additional values for the RADIUS Service-Type attribute.  As a   result, IETF review was not required under the IANA considerations   included in [RFC2865].  Subsequently, the RADIUS IANA considerations   [RFC3575] were revised so as to require IETF review in most cases.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 19]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006   No liaison arrangement was developed between IEEE 802.11F and IETF   WGs such as AAA WG or SEAMOBY WG, so as to allow IETF participants   access to the IEEE 802.11F specifications prior to publication.  Once   IEEE 802.11F entered into Recirculation ballot, only comments   relating to changes in the specification could be considered.  As a   result, issues raised relating to the IEEE 802.11F RADIUS extensions   were rejected.   IEEE 802.11F was a Trial Use Recommended Practice.  The IEEE 802   Executive Committee approved its withdrawal on November 18, 2005.  As   a result, the RADIUS parameters allocated for use by IEEE 802.11F are   available to be reclaimed.IAB                          Informational                     [Page 20]

RFC 4441               IEEE 802/IETF Relationship             March 2006Appendix B.  IAB Members at the Time of This Writing   Bernard Aboba   Loa Andersson   Brian Carpenter   Leslie Daigle   Patrik Falstrom   Bob Hinden   Kurtis Lindqvist   David Meyer   Pekka Nikander   Eric Rescorla   Pete Resnick   Jonathan Rosenberg   Lixia ZhangAuthor's Address   Bernard Aboba   Microsoft   One Microsoft Way   Redmond, WA  98052   USA   EMail: bernarda@microsoft.comIAB                          Informational                     [Page 21]

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