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slowly open the page in VE. I have a powerful computer, but I'm waiting until the bar fills up until the VE load. Can be through any option in the settings will be possible to make it faster?
form image editing - left there is long words "General settings"/"Advanced settings" (translations of these words even longer). "Make a caption for the image" - I never to call it the "Settings". I think it will be shorter and easier to understand the words "description"/"settings"Сунприат (talk)05:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Сунприат, if there was an option to make VE even faster, it wouldn't be an option :D Can you tell me which article you are referring to, on which wiki?
Can you compare loading times with the wikitext editor?
As for the language in the image inserter - as you know, interface messages are customizable - so if your community had a discussion and decided to change a translation for any of those messages, this could be done locally. Let me know exactly which messages you'd like to change, so I can tell you how to change them if you don't know how to do it yourself.Elitre (WMF) (talk)18:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Math is a very difficult area, because it is still very badly supported by browsers. It will take time for the world to improve in that area. The editor in question that you point to is unfortunately Flash and also not open source, so an alternative will need to be found, or developed from scratch, probably requiring significant time and investment. There is also a usability issue, as you can see the editor requires quite a bit of screen real-estate, and that is a challenge. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talk •contribs)09:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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Could a per-wiki customizable dropdown be added? To add the most used templates. The same as the citation dropdown but with other templates. - -Gerardduenas (talk)21:55, 10 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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I have provided my (mostly negative) feedback in the past. It is time to provide some positive feedback, since I have seen improvements:
tables provide much better value than the conventional editor
putting in links is providing better value than the conventional editor because of the feature which shows you if there is a link or not
idea: Maybe there could be an option for predictive finding of similar text links (probably better to be on request, not as standard) - like searching not only from the beginning of the link, but also from the mid text
still annoying:
the really pushy request to leave a comment on what was done (really useful, but not always necessary)
Idea: It could have an option, that if no text if filled and the editor has at some time invoked the link editing menu, it could say: Link added (I would not worry about this too much though)FocalPoint (talk)09:41, 12 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi there, thank you for this positive feedback! Apologies about the length of time it's taken to respond, I think somehow this was missed - now I'm wondering if you were able to give feedback onthe survey that the Community Liaisons just finished up. We reached out to users who were either extremely active users of VisualEditor or those who had given us feedback in certain ways in the past (usually on the VisualEditor Feedback pages).
Re: The "really pushy request" around leaving a comment - I've found that if you don't add something the change will still be made, though I thought that in general it's considered good form to say what change you've made in wikisource text too, right? I'm not sure what feels different to you (or it's entirely possible that I'm misunderstanding the annoyance you have).Rdicerb (WMF) (talk)23:21, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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Note: I posted this on the feedback page at en.wikipedia.org, a week ago. There has been no response, so I'm reposting it here.
1. Not particular to Citoid, and so certainly reported elsewhere, but still: It would be really nice, when one adds a citation, to have the new citation appear in the list of citations. It's particularly problematical to have the citations renumber themselves, in the body of the text, as they do, but to have the list unchanged (so now the numbers in the body of the text don't match what is in the list, by number).
2. It's baffling to have the cite icon (castle?) sitting next to the drop-down for cites,and the two of them not behaving the same way as the paragraph, list/indentation, and insert icons and their related drop-downs. By this, I mean that for those three other icons and their adjacent down-pointing carets, it makes no difference whether one clicks on the icon or the caret - one gets the same menu choices. That's not at all true with the Cite icon (clicked on, it opens a dialog, primarily for Citoid) and its adjacent pull-down menu (which lacks a "Cite by URL or DOI" option, but lists six other options).
I understand that (eventually) most people will use Citoid, most of the time, so being able to access it directly on the toolbar (by clicking the Cite icon) saves one click. Fine.But that's no reason to exclude Citoid from the pull-down menu accessible via the caret. If Citoid is not on the regular pull-down menu, it's quite possible that a lot of people won't find it.
3. Clicking on the Cite icon opens a dialog with Citoid, plus this link: "Or use the full citation dialog to fill in the details yourself". That link wording may betechnically correct, but it's both verbose and unclear. (A menu list may, technically, be a dialog, but that's not how most people think of it). The wording "Or use another type of citation" is both shorter and clearer.
4. I'm not found of YYYY-MM-DD as a date; I'd rather use Month DD, YYYY. I understand that preferences do vary. But it's going to get really old, really fast, to have to change the date format, every single time I use Citoid, to my preferred format. Is there, or could there be, some way to set a preference, so editors don't have to change the format, every single time they use Citoid?
5. After this sequence: click the "Cite" icon, paste a URL, click "Lookup", and click "Insert", then VE displays the citation in (what appears to be to me, anyway) a dialog, with the option of clicking "Edit". If I'm not interested in editing that citation, then Iassume that I should press [esc] to dismiss the dialog - that's what I do with other dialogs. Nope - if I press [esc], VE thinks I'm trying toexit VE, and asks me whether I really do want to exit VE, or not. Such inconsistency is disconcerting.
6. If I insert a citation using Citoid, and click somewhere to avoid the Edit dialog (or non-dialog), then decide I don't like the citation and click Undo, on the toolbar,the citation is converted to an emptyBasic citation. It takes a second "Undo" to completely remove it. I don't understand why a single "Undo" doesn't remove it completely.John Broughton (talk)23:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
HiJohn Broughton, I see you received a response over at en.wp. Sorry for the delay; Community Liaisons assigned to VE have had a combination of reduced hours and high workloads in the past week, which caused the delay in responding.Rdicerb (WMF) (talk)23:27, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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The VE in Simple English has a strange citation automation that I cannot figure out at all. It ruins anything I put in. This is not my experience on Wik/en. I use the latest Mozilla on MS Windows 8.1.Kdammers (talk)21:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi Kdammers. The Cite news template there lacks TemplateData, that's why it looks so different. I am not sure there are enough technical oriented editors over there who could update the main Cite templates; if you do know someone who could help, the tutorial is atHelp:TemplateData. Thank you,Elitre (WMF) (talk)18:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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I can use the VE citation editor on the Wik/En, but here it only creates a mess when I try to use it. There are a few ambiguous words that do less than help me.Kdammers (talk)00:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
What do you mean by "here"? On MediaWiki.org? On this wiki, there are no citation templates and so no prompts and no auto-filled citation tools on this wiki.Jdforrester (WMF) (talk)00:54, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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I was very happy to see one can add new fields in the toolbar. It would be even better if one could add several sections, likeMediaWiki:Edittools used to be. An external dictionary with the section name as index should work.
I created MediaWiki:Visualeditor-quick-access-characters.json on slovenian Wikipedia (:sl), but there is no effect in VE. Must there be done something else?Pinky sl (talk)18:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I wonder what happened to MediaWiki:Visualeditor-specialcharinspector-characterlist-insert? Is it still in use? I'm trying to track changes in VE, but if I overlook them (newsletter), it is difficult to find the instructions. Where to get all this Mediawiki: ...... settings (with instructions)?Pinky sl (talk)14:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
These instructions are incomplete: in the JSON object, what are the keys, what are the values? Does one of the two types say what is displayed and the other what is inserted? Theenwiki example, where all keys match their values, does not help. — Ltrlg (talk),20:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yes, the key is the caption of the button and the value is what gets inserted. You can checkout the rowiki page for a more advanced example.Strainu (talk)18:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
<script>...</script> problem when using Bitdefender 2015
sometimes (maybe always) appears on the first line. If you look through my edit history, only the articles using VisualEditor have this problem, and even then not alll of them (look at theHydnora Africana edit history. I have Bitdefender Total Security 2015, and I know that this script has something to do with real time browsing protection (I think it scans pages before they load up, but I'm not too sure about this aspect. It would be nice to know why this is happening, and I'm having to check all of my previous edits using VisualEditor, and that would be pretty annoying for every Bitdefender user to have to do.Awesomeshreyo (talk)18:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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can you add and auto citation feature to visual editor so all i have to do is paste URL and it looks up citation for references to put in articlesJonnymoon96 (talk)01:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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The one problem sometimes (not always) appears using editor:If you prefer to keep bibliographical data out of the endnotes, you have to use ref tags like "#xxx" to link to a bibliography. Often the editor refers to the whole page, so that it will be loaded again. For now I have to switch to the source editor in order to fix it. It would be more elegant, if the window of a note (<ref>) finds the anchors automatically. If they are chosen, there should be no link to the identical page (which causes reloading).By the way, if you use bibliography lists, it is not very useful that cite templates are always in a note. Within the beta editor, this forces to switch to the source editor.Platonykiss (talk)06:56, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Right now the editor needs some time to open and it jumps to the right position not before you try to change something and it needs some time to place the cursor (never on the first attempt). Sometimes it does not open at all, and if opened, the open window is sometimes unstable.Platonykiss (talk)06:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
I would like to add, that I get several times an error report, while opening the beta editor a second time. It tells me that I am not working an the current version on the page (which is not true!). I also checked the history and there was no interference with another user.Platonykiss (talk)08:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
You do the changes, and right now Betaeditor works so badly (nearly like MS Word, doing a lot of things that it should not do), that I do not longer use it. It would be a waste of time!
Concerning the language tool, the offer for Greek characters is not sufficient. It should be polytonic Greek. If you prefere to spare buttons, the diacritics should be used in combination (unlike you do now).Platonykiss (talk)16:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
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I miss the preview. in the old system I can go to the preview and check if the links are working that i put in. Here not.Kipala (talk)10:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hi Kipala. With internal links (wikilinks), not only you get to choose them from a list (so you now the target pages actually exist), but you also get a clickable link after you add it, so you can verify it right after you add it, and finally you can verify links at any time while in VE (with external links it's the same, except you don't get suggestions about them when you add them). And if you really want to take a look at the wikitext, you can choose to review your changes before saving...Elitre (WMF) (talk)17:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
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Ich probiers mal auf Deutsch: Der VE hat sich seit Mitte letzten Jahres deutlich verbessert, danke erstmal dafür. Vor allem die Bearbeitung von Vorlagen und Bildeinbindungen finde ich komfortabel. Leider sind die Ladezeiten manchmal noch ziemlich lang und gerade bei längeren Artikel ist es störend, wenn für eine kleine Bearbeitung in einem einzelnen Abschnitt der ganze Artikel geladen werden muss, was dann ziemlich lang dauert.
Konkret aufgefallen sind mir noch folgende Dinge: Ich habe Probleme nach einem Wikilink "unverlinkt" weiterzuschreiben. Der Text danach wird erstmal dem Link zugerechnet. Den Link dort enden zu lassen wo ich will bedarf einiger Umstände, wie erst weiterschreiben, das dann markieren, als neuen Link kennzeichen und den dann entfernen. Das Drücken von Enter oder Esc hat nicht den gewünschten Effekt, dass man aus dem Link "aussteigt" und normal weiterschreiben kann.
Dann hatte ich beim Einbauen der Vorlage Commonscat gesehen, dass diese im VE unter dem Anführungspunkt erscheint und wiederum darunter die folgenden Links, was so nicht sein soll. Nach dem Speichern war die Vorlage aber korrekt hinter dem Anführungspunkt. Ein Darstellungsproblem des VE im Bearbeitungsmodus?
Außerdem vermisse ich wieder die "deutschen" Anführungszeichen (unten am Anfang, oben am Ende). Das hatte ich schonmal bemängelt und dann waren sie bei den Sonderzeichen. Jetzt kann ich sie wieder nicht mehr finden.
Falls das hilft: Ich verwende Mozilla Firafox for Linux Mint, auf Linux Mint Cinnamon, mit Vector Skin.
I will try in German: The VE has improved significantly since the middle of last year, so first, thanks for that. I fspecially find editing templates and inserting images comfortable. Unfortunately, loading times are sometimes still quite long and especially with longer articles it disturbs having to load the entire article for a small edit in a single section, which then takes quite long.
I specifically noticed the following things: I still have trouble continuing to write "unlinked" after a Wikilink. The text is then initally added to the Link. Letting the link end where I want it to end requires some hassle, like continuing to write first, then mark that, highlight as new link and then delete that. Pressing enter or escape does not have the desired effect of being able to "leave" the link and then continue to write normally.
Then while inserting the Commonscat template, I noticed that it shows up under the bullet point and then again the following links below that, which shouldn't be like that. After saving, the template was correctly behind the bullet point. A rendering problem of VE in the editing mode?
Also I miss the "German" quotation marks (at the bottom at the start, at the top at the end). I already pointed that out once and then they were among the special characters. Now I can't find them any more.
The "unlinked" text bug, is tracked atphab:T91285 (also known as: "link continuation rendering").
For the Commonscat and bullet point problem, would it be possible to take a screenshot? I'm afraid I don't quite understand, andmy testing hasn't helped me to understand. Thanks!
Also, the special character tool has been improved since last year: If you select a word, then a single click adds both quotation marks (before and after). Last year, you had to add them separately.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)02:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
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I don't know if this is a feature already, but i don't find it right know, so i go the lazy way and ask.
Some pages in the template namescape are not supposed to be transcluded directly on articles (e.g., they are parts of another templates, documentation subpages). There should be some kind of magic word that when is present on a page, the template selector on Visual Editor don't show them.
As you can see, all the dotted "templates" won't ever be transcluded directly.
Another issue it may arise is that you need to know the exact name of the template to find it, you should be able to search parts of the name (e.g., only search taxón and find it) but that is for another day.Ninovolador (talk)16:44, 22 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
Of course.
Besides obviously all the "/doc" subpages, look at an example of me trying to add a template to a random page.
In this example i want to add a "Ficha de taxón" (taxobox)
As you can see, all the dotted "templates" won't ever be transcluded directly.
Another issue it may arise is that you need to know the exact name of the template to find it, you should be able to search parts of the name (e.g., only search taxón and find it) but that is for another day.Ninovolador (talk)16:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
