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VisualEditor conflicts with any templates

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Hello!

I just noticed, that I can add new pages with VisualEditor and edit em, also i can edit already existing pages, but if there are no templates. If these pages have templates then there is an error "Parsoidserver-http-badstatus: 500". Templates workin if the next syntax is used: {{subst:Name}}. Any ideas?Piroru90 (talk)10:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

There was a problem with version (I got MW 1.23.6 (latest stable)).
I have to update to MediaWiki 1.24 and reinstall VisualEditor (Parsoid already exists in MW >1.24) and then it works fine without errors.Piroru90 (talk)07:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
I'm glad that you figured it out.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)18:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Citing sources is really difficult in VisualEditor!

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Hello; I'm a fairly new user (< 1 year) and I'm motivated (and trying!) to improve some articles, but the VisualEditor citation tools are just not usable, and I really don't have the time to learn source editing. I know that you guys have a busy schedule, but I just wanted to leave this message here to let you know that it's a bottleneck, at least for me.

The main problem I am having with the tool is that shortened footnotes or similar are not supported, so I can't reference multiple pages from the same source, meaning I can't write the article. There are also problems with intuitive selection behaviour in reflist templates and all sorts of other stuff. Is there a "fix citation tools" task on the roadmap? I couldn't see one.

Anyway, I hope I'm not telling you things you already know. Thank you for making this tool; in a few years I'm sure Wikipedia will regain some new editors because of it.Thennicke (talk)12:02, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. Thanks for stopping by to tell us your experience. The ability to name references is requested atbug 50568. In the meantime, you can still reference multiple pages from the same source easily, I think? Or at least,this took me just a few seconds. All I did was creating anew reference. Then I copied the content of this reference and pasted it into new ones (made in the same way), and added the detail about the pages (this is useful for more complex references created by templates, for example, because VE will retain links, style, etc. when you paste). If you want a bit of insight into the future of references in VE, please tryen:User:Mvolz/veCiteFromURL :) Best,Elitre (WMF) (talk)15:01, 3 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
User:Thennicke, When you say that "shortened footnotes are not supported", do you mean that this:
{{sfn|Smith|2010|p=15}}
is not supported, or do you mean that this:
<ref>Smith (2010). p. 15</ref>
is not supported? Or something else?Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)18:13, 7 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Table tests and use case studies + bullet/numbered indented list bug

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Hello, here are some tests I have done with tables. I have quite a few different cases to be covered here, so I'll separate them by bold text.

1. Typing a backspace on the first character of text below a table makes that table "eat" the following line.

In my test, seenhere (first table in the code's edit), I tried editing the content of the headings right below the table in sectionHeading 2aa. The result was such: one too many backspaces made the headings jump into the last cell (code-wise) of the table, stripping their heading format and appending their line's text to the cell.

A second test, seenhere, has me styling text and trying to append it to the last cell of the table. The text retains its styles.

In my third and final test on this subject, seenhere, I created a heading and applied multiple styles before moving the text into the table. The styles were retained, but the heading was stripped due to the text being appended to the end of the last cell's last line.

In conclusion, this shouldn't actually happen. Jumping from text into a table cell with backspaces can cause some rather unfortunate problems, especially if you accidentally move a large paragraph into a compact table with narrow columns. The stripping of headings is also a loss of data, since we lose all reference to the heading's previous level.


2. Moving between cells in edit mode is impossible.

While not necessarily a universal concept, it is a usability enhancement that would make things far less annoying: while editing a cell's content, I have not found a way to move to an adjacent cell without having to use the mouse to select a different cell.

Many systems accept the use of the Tab and Shift + Tab buttons to move between cells in a row (wrapping to the next/previous row if at the extremity) without using a mouse. Others additionally or alternatively accept the use of the arrow keys when at the cell's editing border in order to jump to the next cell (Up needs to be on the first line, Down on the last line, Left on the first character of the first/current line, Right on the last character of the last/current line)


3. Entering a cell's editing mode should put the text cursor where the user has clicked

This is another usability quirk: it takes a double-click (for edit mode) and a separate single click in order to reach the user's required editing target. This is can be an annoyance for people who edit tall cells that exceed their screen's size, since the cursor's position isn't immediately apparent.


4. Alternating between bullet and numbered lists with indentation is buggy

Do the following steps:

  1. Add a bulleted list with text.
  2. Add a second bullet with text. Increase its indentation once.
  3. Change the second, indented bullet to a numbered list.
  4. Change the second, indented number back to a bullet.

VisualEditor removes the number, removes the bullet and all indentation. If done within a list of mixed bullets and numbers, it effectively breaks the list by dragging the following list item to the first level.

Proper functionality should be that the entire indentation level changes to bullets. All other indentation levels should not be affected. If the list is of the following kind:

  • Indent 1-1
    1. Indent 2-1
      • Indent 3-1
    2. Indent 2-2
  • Indent 1-2
    1. Indent 2-3
      • Indent 3-2

Changing the numbered list at 2-1 should affect 2-1 through 2-2, butnot 2-3.

My test was done with thefollowing list, which was subsequently modifiedhere.184.151.114.14415:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

For reference, I used Firefox 33.0.2 for those tests.
As for Chrome 38.0.2125.111, I got similar results.
This is the original list andthis is the broken list while using Chrome.
Thanks again!184.151.114.14416:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki theme: popupToolGroup should have hover and active state

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The new MediaWiki theme looks good, though the popupToolGroup (a toolbar element, ref.demo) should have a hover (and probably active) state when someone mouses over or clicks the element. Apex has both a hover state and an active state, and the current editor has both as well. Adding such a state would make the editor toolbar seem more responsive.

However, this is inconsistent with the hover behavior of the other buttons, so it's a valid question whether it's a good idea or not to add a preferential hover state to the popup tool group. However, I think it should have an active state, since other toolbar buttons themselves have an active state when activated, so adding one to the popup tool group when the popup is active would be in line with the behavior of other items.Mark Bao (talk)21:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Save dialogue unreadable

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RESOLVED
T75660, now fixed.

The following discussion is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Is it my imagination or has the font of the save dialogue recently become ridiculously and unreadably small?09:03, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Did you upgrade to MacOS X Yosemite ? They have started to use a different default font for such textareas. It's not smaller, but it is less legible at smaller sizes than the previous font in my opinion, due to the kerning. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talkcontribs)09:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
No, I do not even use a Mac. I am on Windows 7. The problem seems to be specific to Monobook. Seethis screenshot.12:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
That also applies to other dialogs: therefore,I filed it.Elitre (WMF) (talk)15:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
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New thing suggest

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Requested inT55590.

I suggest another part of "insert" for "insert asbox" and "insert ambox".Qwertyxp2000 (talk)04:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Those are very specific uses, they might be better developed asgadgets that integrate with VE in my opinion. —TheDJ (Not WMF) (talkcontribs)09:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
Agreed for this suggestion in particular; note that there is a suggestion inbugzilla:53590 that we prompt the user with contextually-appropriate common templates when they click "insert", which is an alternative direction.Jdforrester (WMF) (talk)19:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Symbol after citation disappear after edit

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RESOLVED
T78122, now apparently fixed.

The following discussion is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


I have tried in both the English and Chinese Wikipedias, and I found that whenever I add a Chinese full stop "。" (without the quotations) after an inline citation, the "。" will disappear after the edit is saved. If you need an example, you can tell me, but basically, try putting "。" after <ref>(cite source)</ref> and see what happens.HYH.124 (talk)03:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

I am referring to when you add the "。" after the citation and nothing follows it (e.g. at the end of a paragraph).HYH.124 (talk)03:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your note,HYH.124. I apologize for this frustrating situation.User:User:DChan (WMF) will need to know about this problem.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)15:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
PingUser:DChan (WMF) :)Krenair (WMF) (talk)17:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
I wasn't able to reproduce thiswhen I pasted the full stop into my sandbox. However, perhaps it is just because I pasted it rather than typing it, or because I have a different computer.User:HYH124, could you please tell me what your web browser and operating system are, and how you are typing? These details sometimes make a big difference.
I have officially reported this problem asphab: T78122.
Thank you, again.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)05:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
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Why is IE not officially supported?

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Why is that?On your page , it says that it plans to support IE9 +, but even editing on IE11 brings up a warning that it is not 'officially supported'.Even though it is better than before (where IE users were blocked fully) , I'd like to know why is IE not getting full support for the latest versions. Is there something missing?Leaderboard (talk)16:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Internet Explorer is very different (internally) than any other browser, and some of its "features" cause VisualEditor (and most other advanced web tools) to break. It will be officially supported when we think that it's actually working as well as the others. As you noted, things have significantly improved. For a long while, Internet Explorer's "security" system refused to allow editors to save pages. (That's why it was entirely disabled for months: imagine spending a long tim fixing an article, only to have IE refuse to let you save your work at the last second.)Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)14:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Saving edits using Visual Editor is still not possible with the internet explorer, at least on my parents pc. Maybe you should check if it really works now (or the IE has to be updated, don't know).Don-kun (talk)21:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
HiUser:Don-kun,
Would you please find out the version of Internet Explorer on your parents' PC? I would really appreciate it. Also, please let me know what version of Windows they're running.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)03:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Input Chinese to table will disappear when saving unless start with an English alphabet.

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RESOLVED
T78121, now fixed.

The following discussion is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


If i just type Chinese into table, it can't be saved, if i start with an English alphabet, the problem is solved.Cwlin0416 (talk)16:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Cwlin0416, for this report. I've filed it asphab:T78121 so that the devs can start figuring it out. Can you tell me what web browser, operating system, and input method you're using? Which Chinese variant were you writing in?Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)05:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
I have updated VisualEditor to recently version, and the problem is solved! thanks!
My browser is Google Chrome, and i use Traditional Chinese.Cwlin0416 (talk)16:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
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Table commands not completely displayed

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(moved comment:)

In Indonesian, the table commands which shown if we click the blue bar on the top or on the left of the table (like insert before, or insert on top), not completely displayed. It adds an ellipsis "..." at the end, but before the full text is shown. For example "Sisipkan sebe..."User:William Surya Permana05:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for moving this feedback to the correct place. :D
I think someone should fix the "leave feedback" feature in Help menu on upper right corner of the VisualEditor toolbar too.
Since, I used them, and it automatically post the feedback in the previous page (VisualEditor/Feedback).William Surya Permana (talk)06:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Blanked and relocated to new thread. I've no idea as to how this happened.Leaderboard (talk)18:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
The problem of putting your feedback in the wrong place is also a bug. It has now been reported atphab: T78120.User:William Surya Permana, thank you so much for telling me what you clicked on, because I was completely unaware of that problem.
Would you do me a huge favor? Would you look atid:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Umpan balik and tell me if there is are any messages about problems in VisualEditor there? Google Translate does not do a very good job with Indonesian, and I want to make sure that I didn't overlook anything. Thank you.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)05:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
This has been filed asphab: T78119.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)05:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome. And thank you for filing the problem to phabricator.
About
, actually none of them is related to VisualEditor. They're just send feedback about the article, which should be posted to the article talk page. And one of them said that they just uploaded the wrong image.William Surya Permana (talk)12:26, 16 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much for this note. I really appreciate you helping me with that.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)19:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Templatedata in Templates?

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Hi, I saw its possible to add standard templatedata through templates, but when I tried to add a template to the templatedata description, the templatewasn't substituted. We have very many very similar templates, and their documentation mostly comes through templates, so it would be super handy to be able to add TD through templates, too. Just, as the template-page is more informative then the template interface in the VE, it would be nice to have the option of adding more customized info to the TD description without having to edit all the templates manually.

Also, why is templatedata inside the template text, why didn't you add it to a separate DB field? Seem more intuitive? Now its mixing json with Wikitext...

And: Would it be possible to display some TD description in the template selection in the VE? You really have to be familiar with the template name to add it, and I guess it would be not too complicated to show the template description, either abridged, or in the hover-text? Thanks!

Bonus question: What's the exact difference between parameter type "string" and type "line" in TD? Couldnt find it in thespecs.Stratoprutser (talk)19:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
HiStratoprutser.
"Line" is for short text, and "string" is for any text.Moriel pointed me toGitHub for the description.Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)18:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
@Whatamidoing (WMF): all possible variants:ru:Шаблон:Песочница для шаблонов/doc, in someru:Special:Random in VE paste template "Песочница для шаблонов/doc" - and what these types should give? I can write and save any text in any of the types.Сунприат (talk)04:12, 10 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
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