Rename, split, or expand?[edit]

I'll probably be doing more with this article in the future. However, calling it "Puzzle" doesn't seem to do it justice. Should it be renamed to something along the lines of "Puzzle mechanics"? Either we could rename it, or we could split it. One for puzzles themselves, and one for the mechanics in those said puzzles. Of course, if it was split, then a good amount of work would have to be done to both pages. Hmm, maybe this article just needs to be greatly expanded upon. What do you all suggest? --Jellytost♡ (talk) 03:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm unsure about renaming and leaning to I'm splitting it, but I would prefer the article to be expanded for now so I can make my decision be more sure.Superbound(talk) 09:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Aight. I'll be adding objects fromKirby and the Rainbow Curse to it since I'm currently working on the rest of the stage pages. That should be a fair expansion, for now, at least. --Jellytost♡ (talk) 19:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite notice[edit]

So for context, I current proposeHazard to be merged into here. But in general, I could use help reviewing everything listed here. Moreover, I feel what devices get pages and not is pretty inconsistent right now, so I will be adding a couple links here for devices I feel have enough about to justify pages for them. -Gigi (talk •edits) 11:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Another thing I take issue with here is that we don't consider devices appearing in sub-games as proper appearances. For example, the devices that debuted inDedede's Drum Dash are misleadingly just saying they appear inDedede's Drum Dash Deluxe right now. I don't see a reason to omit appearances in here. Moreover, it's not even consistent, as the page listsNew Challenge Stages and that's also as subgame. We should just list all sub-games as well. -Gigi (talk •edits) 18:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm relatively new here and have honestly been looking for places to help out anywhere I can as I love the series, have for a very long time, and only just discovered this place and love it! Haven't created any articles yet but want to try soon, mainly just been making edits here and there. But anyway, I agree with what you were saying about some devices having pages and some not. I was just looking through and realized the same thing. Do you think every device should have a page or only ones that have enough info? I mean I feel most of them could at the very least have a brief little page explaining what the device does, what games it appears in if it appears in more than one, and then maybe a little list or table of its appearances within each game. As I said I haven't made an article before but once I understand the process I could go through and try to make some articles on some of those.

Additionally, to your point about Hazard, I do feel there is enough of a distinction. Hazards seem to be mainly objects or environments that affect Kirby in some way when he comes across them or causes him to need to avoid something. Devices seem to be more objects that Kirby somewhat intentionally interacts with that then causes some effect either to him or the environment.Evankacp (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

The plan is probably to at least have a page for every device with an official name, yes. The wiki has not been consistent with what gets a page and what doesn't. As for your argument about hazard, I recommend you to see thistalk page as it explains better, but in short, "hazard" is not an official term, plus the line between hazard and device can be blurry so it's best the wiki sticks with official categorization. -Gigi (talk •edits) 23:14, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Since I see you are also interested, you can checkthis sandbox I've been working on listing gimmick/device info from official Kirby guidebooks. -Gigi (talk •edits) 23:17, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Ah ok, reading that talk page I do think that sounds ideal. I feel it does make more sense to have a bigger page called something like Objects and then subsections within as talked about there. In terms of the pages for the devices themselves, as I said I've wanted to get more into creating articles and all and some smaller pages like that may be a perfect place to start and get practice, so I may start creating some pages for some of the devices to start filling it out. Thank you for the explanation btw!Evankacp (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

No problem, and sounds good! I see you started one. One tip I recommend is seeing existing pages and basing your page of existing ones. I also recommend starting with pages that are red links, as those that aren't may be up to discussion if we really want pages for them. Also if you haven't already, I recommend reading thearticle creation policy. -Gigi (talk •edits) 00:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey so I believe I'm mostly done with an article for Lever. Very brief but tried to ensure it had everything needed and explained the device properly. You can let me know over on the talk page there if there is anything needing to be added/changed/etc. First article so totally fine if there's anything I didn't do right or need to fix of course!Evankacp (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Oh and the page isUser:Evankacp/Lever if you needed to find it. Obviously gonna publish as a normal page once I'm ready but just wanted to run it by you first since its my first article.Evankacp (talk) 18:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and published it after looking it over quite a few times, I believe it is all set and good so I went ahead and finalized it. Hope that's all good and of course you can let me know if there's any issues.Evankacp (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

I fixed some formatting issues. Also, it's possible this has an official name from a guidebook but currently unsure. This is partly why I suggested to start with pages with official names, as others may need to be renamed which makes it harder to later rename across the whole wiki. Also in the future, and while you are new at making pages, it's good to ask and wait for opinions of others before moving it over to mainspace. Good work though. -Gigi (talk •edits) 15:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the tweaks and yeah no worries I'll focus on red links at first, I just wanted to start with something fairly simple and also that I knew well as Amazing Miror is my favorite game. And yeah sorry about that, I was waiting at first for you to review it but I got a bit antsy haha, my apologies I'll wait for review in the future. Glad to hear I did well though, thank you.Evankacp (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey so two things. So I was doing some research and found this[1] instruction booklet/manual. First, I wasn't sure if it might be helpful at all to the sandbox you're working on as it officially says the term devices and lists some of them. Second, in relation to said listed devices, one of them is actually undocumented, Heave-Ho Blocks. I can definitely add this to the list and then make a page for it but I wanted to ask if it'd be better to make the article for the block itself first? I mean even after I add it to the list I probably would only need like a day or two if even to make the page but I just wasn't sure which order was best.Evankacp (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Found another version of the guidebook[2] that has it in several languages which I imagine may be helpful to your sandbox.Evankacp (talk) 15:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)