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Requested move 13 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider amove review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was:not moved.(non-admin closure) NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts>15:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Real Madrid Femenino →Real Madrid (women)
• FC Barcelona Femení →FC Barcelona (women)
• Atlético Madrid Femenino →Atlético Madrid (women)
• A.C. Milan Women →A.C. Milan (women)
• A.S.D. Reggiana Calcio Femminile →A.S.D. Reggiana Calcio (women)
• C.D. El Nacional Femenino →C.D. El Nacional (women)
• Paris Saint-Germain Féminine →Paris Saint-Germain (women)
• Olympique Lyonnais Féminin →Olympique Lyonnais (women)
• Rosenborg BK Kvinner →Rosenborg BK (women)
• U.S. Sassuolo Calcio Femminile →U.S. Sassuolo Calcio (women)

– The naming of the women's section of, traditionally, men's non-English football clubs is a mess on WP. As you can see here inCategory:Women's football clubs in Spain, some are namedxxx (women), somexxx Feminino. Catalan is used:FC Barcelona Femení, as well as the word Feminas:Real Betis Féminas.
We find the same situation in other non-English leagues. For instance, here inItaly andNorway. Note also that all women's clubs articles from some big football countries already end in (women) instead of a native word, where the women's section is part of a bigger club. See here inGermany andBrazil.
Since this is the English language version of WP, I propose we use the English language and name all these clubsxxx (women), where ever a non-English word for women is used after the clubname article. This is perWP:CONSISTENT andWP:TITLECON.
To check for possible opposition, I Previously moved a handfull of Spanish women's teams articles via the move button. Admin @Rosguill reviewed them and made no changes. I also left a message onWP talk:Naming conventions and again found no opposition. (maybe no support there either, since there were no replies).
This requested move is only for 10 articles to invite discussion, and see if the proposal passes. For that reason I've only selected a number of bigger clubs from different countries. If it does pass, I plan on coming back here with possibly hundreds of moves. If it doesn't, I won't have wasted a lot of time looking for these sorts of articles. I also then plan on doing the same for categories with the same issue.
Lastly, I hope this proposal would stop the incessant ping-ponging of article names of some clubs, e.g.Barcelona,PSG,Ol. Lyon.Dutchy45 (talk)14:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: per nom. The local language suffix is actually only used for disambiguating from the men's team. This proposal is logical and will standardize the naming formats and provide consistency. Something needs to be done about normalizingChelsea F.C. Women,Arsenal W.F.C., etc. too. I want to ask, does this only affect non-English names?HandsomeBoy (talk)16:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This Proposal is only about non-English club names. They are the ones with a non-English word for women after the club name.Dutchy45 (talk)19:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, I think I prefer the local language suffix as perWP:NATURAL, but only if they are sometimes used.--Ortizesp (talk)16:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask; What do you mean by"only if they are sometimes used"?
The problem with local languages here, is that very few English WP-reader know those words mean women. I myself only figured out that the Norwegian word "kvinner" means women when I started looking into this issue.Dutchy45 (talk)19:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included inWikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves.GiantSnowman20:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that @GiantSnowman.Dutchy45 (talk)20:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural oppose as this type of bundling is inappropriate; no prejudice to them being re-nominated individually over time and no issues in principle with this type of move (although given the parent club isReal Madrid CF, the first article should be moved toReal Madrid CF (women), and other articles named accordingly.GiantSnowman20:10, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman, why do you believe this bundling is inappropriate?Dutchy45 (talk)20:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Arsenal W.F.C.#Requested move 15 November 2021.GiantSnowman20:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment a similar mass requested move was nominated atTalk:Arsenal Women F.C. where 11 or the 12 club articles of the WSL were in discussion at the same time. As per Seany91 on that RM discussion, they should be discussed separately. I'm inclined to oppose these move proposals per WP:COMMONNAME anyway. Though I would consider moving the first article toReal Madrid CF (women) in line with the current title of the club associated with the team.Iggy (Swan) (Contribs)20:36, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Procedural oppose as too many different clubs from multiple countries have been listed here, which makes this bundling a mess.Joseph2302 (talk)07:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Procedural oppose: These teams are from different countries with different naming conventions. At least the previous mass RM (which I opposed for the same reason) were all English teams.Seany91 (talk)13:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Why use a parenthetical disambiguator when we can just use the team's proper name? –PeeJay16:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Because teams proper names links to the men's team article, while WP has articles about women's teams.Dutchy45 (talk)07:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]