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"Traffic Information Memo"

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- implemented by Blaupunkt in 1993, worth writing up about.

When the car radio is off - ignition standby or turned off using "on-off" button, it can capture traffic announcements to flash memory. This happens for 6 hours and the logic captures the latest 4 announcements. It can be set to start capturing after a user-set number of hours so the user can capture announcements that occur in the morning peak.

Earliest form of flash-memory audio recording.— Precedingunsigned comment added bySimonMackay (talkcontribs) 2006-09-20T21:36:03 (UTC)

Bitspeed

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where does the 1187.5 bits/sec come from ?—Precedingunsigned comment added by128.178.10.21 (talk)13:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The basic clock frequency is obtained by dividing the transmitted subcarrier frequency (57000 Hz) by 48.Consequently, the basic data-rate of the system is 1187.5 bit/s.— Precedingunsigned comment added byAtLaTC (talkcontribs)17:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scrolling RDS

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Added a line of information about the use of scrolling RDS. In many places it's use is discouraged because it can distract drivers. This is true in the UK, at any rate, where it's use is not completely outlawed, but is definitely discouraged. Some stations flout this recommendation.— Precedingunsigned comment added by80.192.179.15 (talk) 2007-04-14T16:42:28 (UTC)

A number ofpirate radio stations along theNorthern Ireland border use "scrolling RDS" for displaying advertisements, phone numbers and identifying the song currently playing in the PS (rather than the correct RT field). However as well as the potential road safety/driver distraction issues the system doesn't even work particularly well. TheError correction system used for PS text was only designed for use with static text and unless reception conditions are ideal (rarely the cse in a moving receiver) the data gets corrupted to varying degrees resulting in jumbled text.80.229.222.4809:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Scrolling PS" was quite popular on U.S. stations in 2005 (among those using RBDS at all). Most of the encoders on the market today support it, since the U.S. market for broadcast equipment is so large, even though the standards don't allow for it. The reason it was introduced, of course, is because most car tuners don't implement RT, or require the operator to press a button to display the RT. (Why is that? Because it would be too distracting to the driver for it to scroll automatically, of course! What goes around, comes around.) Back issues of some of the U.S. radio industry's trade journals, likeRadio World andRadio Guide, might provide reliable sources for this. (As an aside, I've never seen a U.S. radio that supported AF, although it might be useful in a few northeastern and midwestern states.)121a001203:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would it not also be useful for stations using translators (relay transposers) ?80.229.222.4809:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It would -- but translators account for a tiny fraction of U.S. radio listening (even smaller for commercial stations than for FM broadcasting in general, and many of the non-comms are "satellators" with the nominal primary a thousand miles or more away). The stations for whom AF would matter (mostly large public broadcasters in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, and the Dakotas) would value it principally for switching among their multipleprimary stations, not translators. There are a few markets I can think of there are or were commercial, three-way, all-FM simulcasts; they just aren't numerous enough for AF to be worthwhile.121a001203:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RT and PS

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In my place (Lithuania) all stations use PS for displaying data such as clock or "Now Playing" text.— Precedingunsigned comment added byGrawity (talkcontribs) 2006-09-26T09:55:43 (UTC)

Why dont they use RT (radiotext) ? Thats what RT is for80.229.222.4809:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They use RT, but only for information like "M-1 www.m-1.fm", what PS is for.grawity19:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Scrolling PS is forbidden in the standard.The reasons but have been understood. So in RDS 2.0 PS-name is extended to 32 bytes, radio text to 128 bytes. Bytes, not characters! See UTF-8 standard.— Precedingunsigned comment added byAtLaTC (talkcontribs)17:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Incompatability between PTY tables used in RDS and RBDS

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Why did the the EBU not make the North American version of RDS more compatable with the European version by (wherever possible) matching equivalent programme types in the PTY table (see below) given the high probability of radios manufactured in Asia for the US and Europe being imported into the "wrong" market ? Surely given the EBU's role in cordinating standardisation this was an act of enormous stupidity ?80.229.222.4810:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PTY codeRDS Program type (EU)RBDS Program type (USA)
0No program type or undefinedNo program type or undefined (OK)
1NewsNews (OK)
2Current affairsInformation (why not 3 ?)
3InformationSports (why not 4 ?)
4SportTalk
5EducationRock (why not 11 ?)
6DramaClassic Rock
7CultureAdult Hits
8ScienceSoft Rock
9VariedTop 40 (why not 10 ?)
10Pop MusicCountry (why not 25 ?)
11Rock MusicOldies (why not 27 ?)
12M.O.R. MusicSoft
13Light classicalNostalgia
14Serious classicalJazz (why not 24 ?)
15Other MusicClassical (why not 13 or 14 ?)
16WeatherRhythm and Blues
17FinanceSoft Rhythm and Blues
18Children’s programmesLanguage
19Social AffairsReligious Music
20ReligionReligious Talk
21Phone InPersonality
22TravelPublic
23LeisureCollege
24Jazz MusicUnassigned (why ?)
25Country MusicUnassigned (why ?)
26National MusicUnassigned (why ?)
27Oldies MusicUnassigned (why ?)
28Folk MusicUnassigned (why ?)
29DocumentaryWeather
30Alarm TestEmergency Test (OK)
31AlarmEmergency (OK)

It will give at RDS 2.0 even more different PTY lists.The culture of the world can not be put in 30 points. For example, China, India, Africa, Arabia, Latin-America etc. needs its own PTY lists. RDS 2.0 will try to manage it accordingly.— Precedingunsigned comment added byAtLaTC (talkcontribs)16:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RDS abuse

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Among the less ethicalpirate radio operators in some cities it is a common practive to use the "TA" flag (set permanently on) or PTY (set to "Alarm/Emergency") to "lock" peoples radios to their station. or to use an identical PI code (without the AF data) to another station in order to "steal" that stations listeners.80.229.222.4809:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Content and implementation

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In this sentence: "Due to transmission vagulearities, CT can only..." Who came up with the word 'vagulearities'? Is that a Bushism?—The precedingunsigned comment was added byHildenja (talkcontribs) 15:45, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

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Frequency units inconsistency

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The units for the frequencies seem to follow no consistent pattern in this artikle. Sometimes there is a space between the number and the unit and sometimes there is none.--91.15.175.253 (talk)13:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of digital formats needed

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I don't understand why this article has no discussion of packet formats, character codes, upper/lower case, etc.Bhami (talk)23:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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New US Traffic Type

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US NRSC FM Translator Announcements: The National Radio Systems Committee has introduced a unique Radio Data System Program Identification code for US FM translators. One type of metadata transmitted by RDS subcarrier is the PI code, which is used by the receiver to uniquely identify the audio program being broadcast by the FM station. In the U.S., the PI code has historically been derived from a radio station’s call sign, which can become complicated when used in conjunction with FM translators. A new algorithm just for FM translators has been created that assigns a unique PI code to each FM translator. This algorithm has been implemented using a web-based tool and a list of all known PI codes for all FM translators in the US.[1]

Eyreland (talk)21:55, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any Radio with Rds on LCD or LED TVs?

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I am honestly curious?I know some sony flat LCD or I do not really know have radio on board, but is there any LED tv with RDS, or FM Rds + Dab+ with DLS?Are they capable to display all RDS at once?— Precedingunsigned comment added by46.187.202.138 (talk)02:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have a good answer to your question. You would need a TV with built in FM receiver firstly. I have not seen such a TV receiver, not that I have spent much time looking. Once the FM receiver is there, it dies not require much technical effort to add the RDS function, especially with DSP based receivers like in mobile phones. Smart TV's give you the possibility to stream radio stations from the internet or from the off-air TV transport streams. Both of these can carry RDS like data for display.Davidbstanley (talk)06:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proliferation of ads

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I am seeing a huge increase in headunit ads in my area via RDS, in what was previously useful information from stations. Is this worthy of a section? Arguments have been made that this can be a distraction and safety issue. I've submitted an FCC complaint on principle, but I have no idea if this is allowed or not. Some older links:

https://www.insideradio.com/dashboard-displays-radio-new-ad-frontier/article_4a8e455c-2333-11e7-9942-cb83f7a5ecdc.html

https://www.insideradio.com/for-valuable-rds-space-it-s-ads-vs-station-promo/article_2b02a2fa-2333-11e7-ae37-97d6d9f9183b.html

https://www.radioworld.com/news-and-business/opinion-rds-display-is-no-place-for-ads— Precedingunsigned comment added by2600:1702:4EB2:75DF:99D9:988C:10D2:EF1C (talk)17:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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