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According to German Wikipedia he died on April 28 1813
"His family now changed there name ot Kutuzoff and the family now thats alive is Alex Kutuzoff Helene Kutuzoff Gianna Araujo(helenes daughter) and other family members in austria"
Moved byRichFarmbrough, 10:5225 September2006 (GMT).
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk)11:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Russian patronymics are not widely used in the anglosphere, so they shouldn't generally appear as part of a title. We don't refer to "Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin" or "Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin" or "Sergey Vasilievich Rachmaninoff", for example. There are a few exceptions, such asPyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. But Kutuzov is known as "Prince Kutuzov", "General Kutuzov", "Mikhail Kutuzov", etc. The patronymic is covered in the article proper, but doesn't need to be part of the title of the article. --JackofOz (talk)07:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was:Page moved.Ucucha02:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov →Mikhail Kutuzov — See above.Jack of Oz ... speak! ...00:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Russian titleknyaz is usually translatedprince in English. Kutuzov was made Prince of Smolensk. The title duke is rendered герцог—gertsog—into Russian, from the German Herzog.
Perversely, a prince of the Russian imperial house, calledvelikiy knyaz—big prince—in Russian, is always translatedgrand duke in English.
Both modern historians and his fellow officers judged Kutusow as incompetent, he was defeated at Borodino, did nothing to defend Moskow and the attacks on the retreating grande armee were ordered by his generals, without his knowledge or even in explicit disobedience. (see Adam Zamoyski, "1812: Napoleon’s fatal march on Moscow" Harper Collins, London 2004)2003:7A:8E12:C514:3021:ACAC:7A99:360E (talk)22:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kutuzov did not face Napoleon at the battle of Maloyaroslavets but Eugene de Beauharnais.— Precedingunsigned comment added byItihasi (talk •contribs)23:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't know who put Minard's map in this article. But that map, and the descriptive paragraph above it, totally ruin the coherence of this article's narrative. This article is supposed to be a biography of Kutuzov. Minard's map is not really not relative to any description of Kutuzov's life. The paragraph accompanying the map, which focuses on ratios of troops, is obviously superfluous to the topic and, worse yet, is virtually incomprehensible. Whoever is the caretaker of this article: maybe you can remove the noxious additions to what was originally a pretty good article?Kenmore (talk)04:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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