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South Africa has a Jewish population of between 70-120 thousand. Most statistics show that 80% of these are of Lithuanian decent (one famous SA Lithuanian isJoe Slovo), which leads to a number way over 60,000. I was wondering if we could add this information??Bezuidenhout (talk)22:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously all of these famous people I know a lot about and soem random guy laurynas gucevicius I have never heard of in there?... but balys sruoga or something in there not someone no one knows aboout.— Precedingunsigned comment added by95.173.37.60 (talk)18:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I found this article through a recentReddit post claiming that 16% of Lithuanians are resistant against HIV. This is based on the following sentence in the article here:
This sentence is highly misleading at best. Each gene in the human has two alleles. In 16% of Lithuaniansone copy of the gene is said CCR5-D32 allele, while the other is not. The wildtype allele of the CCR5 gene still produces the CCR5 co-receptor and therefore those individuals arenot immune to HIV. They only have a 35% lower chance of contracting HIV.[1]Full resistance against HIV is only achieved if both copies of the CCR5 gene carry the CCR5-D32 allele, which is the case in only about 1% of Europeans.The sentence in the article is very misleading. The Reddit post shows that it's being understood as 16% of Lithuanians being completely resistant to HIV which is not the case. Who knows, it might even encourage some people to be less careful when having sex because they wrongly believe they are immune against HIV. That's just a speculation of course.The other issue that I have with that sentence is that it gives the impression that the occurrence of the CCR5-D32 allele in Lithuanians is in any way special. If you read the original PLoS One publication that is given as a ref you will realize that much of Northern Europe / the Baltics share the same high prevalence of this mutation. It is not a special genetic feature of Lithuanians.For those reasons I suggest to remove the sentence altogether.SPLETTE :]How's my driving?23:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I invite everybody to post their opinions atWikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#The_necessity_of_galleries_of_personalities_in_the_infoboxesHahun (talk)15:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Since the Neolithic period the native inhabitants of the Lithuanian territory have not been replaced by any other ethnic group, so there is a high probability that the inhabitants of present-day Lithuania have preserved the genetic composition of their forebears relatively undisturbed by the major demographic movements" based on a 1991 article. But we now know, that 46% of Lithuanian Y-DNA (haplogroup N) is much younger in the Baltic than Neolithic. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk)19:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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"A 2004 analysis of mtDNA in a Lithuanian population revealed that Lithuanians are close to both Indo-European and Uralic-speaking populations of Northern Europe. Y-chromosome SNP haplogroup analysis showed Lithuanians to be closest to Balts, Russians, Belarusians and Finnish people. <this source is lost in 2016 surce#[28] | This is added> Autosomal SNP analysis situates Lithuanians most proximal to Latvians, followed by the East Slavs, furthermore, all Slavic peoplesand Germans are situated more proximal to Lithuanians than Finns and northern Russians.[32]"
i cant found higlighted thesis in sourced32 text. And there are rather opsite informations. qutes:
1 Latvians and Lithuanians, lie in the vicinity of Finno-Ugric-speaking Estonians according to their Y-chromosome diversity (Fig 2B), whilst in their autosomal variation they are slightlyshifted towards the group of East Slavic speakers (Fig 2A). Also, one finds Volga-Finnic Mordvins close to the two Baltic-speaking populations
2 Most West and East Slavs of Central-East Europe form genetically a compact group of populations that, as a general rule,differ from their western (Germanic-speaking) and eastern (Finno-Ugric-speaking) neighbors.
I found information about these people(Jaats),they are from the land where vedas were written, it suggests Sanskrit was first used there(which is closest language to Lithuanian) these people are also genetically close to eastern Europeans so i thought maybe there must be connection with Lithuanians.I hope you will consider reviewing itGeneticshttps://www.jatland.com/home/Lithuania
That would be really hard considering many people(Including government) there always try to denounce Indo-European migration or invasion theories to prove their great vedic civilization had no influence from outside, But many reports are publicised again and again proving opposite,genetically Jats are closer to eastern Europeans and at some extent northern Gothics,Rajputs also shares genes with central Europeans and greeks, i have some pictures of old research, but Wikipedia won't let me upload since it's not my workElvis.J700 (talk)09:59, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"However, it has only held 1 or 2 seats in the parliament of Lithuania for the past decade.": Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania has held 8 seats in the Seimas since 2012, and held an average of 2.4 seats between 1992 and 2012[1][2]([2] click "Seimas Plenary Chamber seating plan").Additionally, it is currently part of therulingcoalition,and appears tohave been previously.
"Due to the excessive pro-Pole political agenda": "excessive" seems like an inappropriately loaded language, but I'm not an expert on Wikipedia or Lithuania and defer to more experienced editors (I wouldn't have brought it up if not for the other mistakes in this paragraph)
Phizon (talk)10:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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@Cukrakalnis: Since the process ofethnogenesis is a very complicated one, it is nearly impossible to claim that an ethnogenesis has taken place before the occurrence of written testimony. To claim the existence of a Lithuanian people in pre-historical times from genetical evidence is simplyWP:OR.
The term "nation" is a complicated one, but because of its implications also a dangerous one (are those who are Lithuanian nationals, but don't self-identify as Lithuanians not members of the "nation" ?). It should therefore only be used if support by excellent sources.
That other articles are not perfect (with respect toMOS:INFOBOXFLAG or the use of the term "nation") is no reason to introduce the same faults to this article.Rsk6400 (talk)06:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
...material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which noreliable, published sources exist. A statement based on what was written in Richard C. Frucht's book "Eastern Europe: An Introduction to the People, Lands, and Culture" (as I had done) is not OR. Your statement is false.
Over the centuries, and especially under the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, some of these tribes consolidated into the Lithuanian nationseems to me a much more convincing explanation of how Lithuanians became what they are.
Some scholars even envision a gloomy scenario of the extinction of Lithuanian language and nation over the next 100 years.[1]
The result of the Russification policy introduced by the government of Czar Nikolai I was not the withering of the Lithuanian nation and religion, but a convergence of nationality and Catholicism.[2]
The contemporary Lithuanian nation has grown out of Catholic Lithuania.[3]
These two ethnic Lithuanian groups were divided by national border and by religion - Prussian Lithuanians were mostly Lutherans, while ethnic Lithuanians were mostly Catholics.I suppose that this would have made the connection between the Lithuanian ethnicity and nation far clearer to you.
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Some scholars even envision a gloomy scenario of the extinction of Lithuanian language and nation over the next 100 years.
The result of the Russification policy introduced by the government of Czar Nikolai I was not the withering of the Lithuanian nation and religion, but a convergence of nationality and Catholicism.
The contemporary Lithuanian nation has grown out of Catholic Lithuania.
Cukrakalnis (talk)21:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless whether Lithuanians are nation or just an ethnicity in this article, why do you keep on removing the flag? The Lithuanian Charter[1] adopted by the diaspora communities of ETHNIC LITHUANIANS declared yellow, green and red as colours of a Lithuanian, this flag is also heavilly used by Lithuanian diaspora regardless of affinity/connection to the Republic of Lithuania.Dziugreb (talk)14:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Flag icons should only be inserted in infoboxes in those cases where they convey information in addition to the text.Since I don't see that the flag conveys information in addition to the text, I don't think the flag should be added here.Rsk6400 (talk)18:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
