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Please, for the love of all that is good and right, can we stop adding names of the assistant coaches until there is a verifiable reference to do so? Coach Pelini has repeatedly made clear that he will officially announce the staff all at one time, and other than a couple of slips (Brown and Cotton) seems to be making sure this happens. An edit war is not the answer, but until the announcements are made and the names have a referenced source, I will keep removing them.Fjbfour (talk)04:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I added the coaching staff when I expanded the page from its stub status and modeled it on the general layout ofBill Callahan (coach). On that page, the current coaching staff is listed in a similar table while previous staff members are listed below it. I have not looked at a wide range of other coach pages to see if that is typical or not. I don't know if there is adequate interest in this article to get more votes either way, but I think there is some value in having all assistants who worked under him as HC listed on his page. If the consensus disagrees, I will go along quietly.Fjbfour (talk)03:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion made me realize that Callahan's page implied he still had active assistants at Nebraska. I have just edited his page accordingly, leaving the list as a historical record instead of as a list of current staff. To see what it looked like when I modeled Pelini's page on it, view one of the previous versions.Fjbfour (talk)03:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Although I acknowledge that the audio tape controversy has attracted some attention, the current version of this article appears to give this one recent incidentundue weight with six paragraphs, including two block quotes. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or tabloid, and our content, tone, and weight should reflect that. Until and unless this incident is shown to be of lasting importance, the material should be drastically shortened; we should not reproduce in excruciating detail every detail of every minor kerfuffle that the sports media blows up into a ratings-grabbing saga.ElKevbo (talk)02:08, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWP:UNDUE only applies to minority or fringe views. It was covered by every national news source in the US. We really can't be in the business of making judgements about truth or importance. We have to go by breadth of coverage in reliable sources. As to length, this is sourced negative content added to a BLP. I believe that it is very important to provide a complete, concise, and, of course, neutral account of what happened. --I am One of Many (talk)03:15, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, we don't need to include everything that is published even by reliable sources especially when most of the coverage consists of opinion pieces with very little or no original reporting. In short, right now this appears to be a very minor issue to which we're devoting a significant amount of coverage simply because every sports writer has an obligation to weigh in with his opinion and not because this is an event of lasting importance. In fairness, the text in the article is well-written and neutral; it's simply much too long and detailed.ElKevbo (talk)03:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Barkeep makes an important point below, Pelini's encounters with media and fans make up most of his national notability. He has yet has yet to establish notability for winning big games or championships. Looking at article traffic statistics for Pelini, before this incident, the article was getting a few hundred hits a day. Then it jumps to 5,000 to 7,500. Now, compare this toNick Saban who is notable for on the field accomplishments. His hits during the last 30 days are all over 1000 with two days over 11,000. The point is that Pelini's notability derives more from stuff like the audio tape than on the field accomplishments. That may change in the future, but for now this is where much of his national notability derives.--I am One of Many (talk)04:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I find no issue with this addition and find no undue weight. The topic is covered inneutral tone and tells the full account of the story. This is not a tabloid-type story and was covered by numerousreliable sources, including theUSA Today, CNNSI, ESPN, CBS, as well as theOmaha World Herald andLincoln Journal Star. The story has lasting importance because it serves as documentation of the article subject's character, whose behavior has sometimes been noted as brash. Historically this has been a recurring topic regarding Pelini (not just from a local perspective) due to his behavior in games and in encounters with the media and fans.BarkeepChat/$03:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But none of that additional context is in the article so right now itis a single issue presented with undue weight. If it's important and has additional context that readers need to understand this topic, please add that to the article.
I am also completely unconvinced by the argument that the incident is of lasting importance because it "serves as documentation of the article subject's character." That justification could be used to include nearly anything and is quite disturbing in aWP:BLP.
Bo Pelini was the football coach at the Nebraska for 7 years and these are the only free pictures we have of him while there. The pictures are of him coaching a game, talking to an official, etc. To those familiar and unfamiliar with American college football, they provide information about what it is like for Pelini coach a game. --I am One of Many (talk)18:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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