Talk:Ben Sira
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No consensus to move.Vegaswikian (talk)19:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ben Sira →Jesus ben Sirach – Firstly, "Jesus" is his given name, "ben Sira[ch]" simply meaning "son of Sirach". (This is comparable to theLeonardo da Vinci article, where, since "da Vinci" was not actually his surname, but rather a descriptor saying "from Vinci", he is referred to throughout as Leonardo, not as da Vinci). Secondly, "Sirach" is the spelling used by the Catholic and Orthodox churches for the deuterocanonicalWisdom of Sirach, of which he is the author, so this spelling makes the most sense to use. —the Man in Question(in question)18:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that if you check, you will find that "Jesus" is the English transliteration of the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name for Joshua ben Joseph, of the House of David.
a search in Google Scholar:http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Joshua+ben+Sira&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on
gives a number of references to this sage.— Precedingunsigned comment added byDocKrin (talk •contribs)15:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
a more precise reference:http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Joshua+ben+Sira%22&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
DocKrin (talk)15:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The articleShimon ben Yeshua ben Eliezer ben Sira is really wrong and confusing. It's supposedly about the grandson of Ben Sira, but virtually nothing is known about him. Therefore, no need for such an article to begin with. Nevertheless, some useful material from there can be moved here.Eio-cos (talk)07:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Name" section, Wikipedia says:
"In the Greek text of the Book of Sirach, the author's father is called "Jesus the son of Sirach of Jerusalem"."
Is this supposed to say, "the translator's father, the author, is called "Jesus the son of Sirach of Jerusalem?"
Although it says the Grandson translated it, in the "Grandson" section?
???
The name section currently has the sentence:
"..Jesus is the Anglicized form of the Greek name Ἰησοῦς, the equivalent of the Aramaic borrowed from late Biblical Hebrew Yeshuaʽ, derived from the older Masoretic Hebrew Yehoshuaʽ."
Masoretic Hebrew is not older than Koine Greek, or Aramaic, or 'late Biblical Hebrew.' The Masoretes operated between the 6th and 10th centuries AD. This sentence could state something to the effect that the name is derived from Old Hebrew Yehoshua found preserved in the Masoretic Texts, if that's the POV this article wants to endorse, but not that 'Masoretic Hebrew' is older than languages and scripts in use for a millennia before the Masoretes appeared on the scene.
208.98.223.53 (talk)20:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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