Talk:Alfred Lennon
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andreasegde 13:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Freddie needs a good clean.andreasegde22:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have started working on this page, but can not find much in Cynthia's book, or Barry Miles'.andreasegde10:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Poor Freddie; he was sending money back home and Julia was living at her parents' house and going out on the town. Tsk, tsk...andreasegde13:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This a bloody labyrinth. Who died, and when? Who married who? American or Irish? Bugger me...andreasegde21:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Worked it out. There are so many different stories out there...andreasegde07:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is so much wrong with the Lennon family history - talk about romanticised!—The precedingunsigned comment was added byBrakn (talk •contribs).
I have changed this article to B class.andreasegde11:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LittleFreddie Lennon has been put for a GAR. Would someone look at it for stupid mistakes, and give it a wipe with a damp cloth?andreasegde09:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno what template was being intended to use down there in the references to make the notes show up, but it doesn't appear to be working, and it apparently wasn't because of a missing { tag either. It's very difficult to determine if an article is well-referenced when the section isn't easily visible....Homestarmy20:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good article, presents the subject well. Try to dig up some better (preferably free) images of him. I also recommend getting some references in the parts where there aren't any and, after that, a peer review to flesh out the rest.DoomsDay34922:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a good article; the references are from poorly researched books.Brakn23:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, to say that the original family name was O'Leannain is absolute guesswork and it shouldn't be in the article.
The first mention of these Lennons in Liverpool is 1849 when John's great grandfather James married. To say that they emigrated fron Ireland because of the famine again is guesswork. In the 1871 census, James Lennon is down as being from County Down. This county did not suffer badly during the famine.
"Emigrated to America" - no proof at all.
"Became a "refined" British minstrel who toured America with 'Robertson's Kentucky Minstrels' Vaudeville troupe in the late 1800s" - no proof.
21:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Jack's first wife was not American; she was from Liverpool.
They were married in Liverpool and she did die during childbirth, having her second child Michael. Michael died 15 days after his mother.
"Jack became a shipping clerk", he was always a clerk.
Brakn10:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that I do disagree with nearly all of the published info about Lennon's family tree. I don't think anybody in the family has ever researched it properly. Because Jack died when Freddy and his siblings were young, none of them knew much about him and their uncles in Liverpool.Brakn15:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The only standing I have is that I try and sort out things that don't make sense.Surely birth, marriage and death certificate are references. Same with census returns. When Jack married Mary Maguire in 1915 they'd already been living as man and wife for 15 years or more. No one mentions the youngest child they had, also called John, who was born 8 months before Jack died.On both of Jack's marriage certs he names his father as James - so why do all the books go along with the story that his father was called John Lennon who married Elizabeth Morris. The only reason is that the first John Lennon born in 1855, in Liverpoool, was to that couple. But it's not the correct John Lennon.On the census returns, they name Jack's father as James Lennon. It's not all made up. I don't know why "researchers" have not done their job. Someone publishes a book with the wrong info and it spreads. On the web it spreads in days. I'm not trying to cause chaos.Brakn20:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"The original family name was O'Leannain, when they moved to Liverpool during the Great Irish Famine (1845-1849).[1]"Does Spitz reference this in his book or has he copied this from a book of Irish surnames? I only ask because because I don't have Spitz's book and I can't imagine how he or anybody else would know that.Brakn16:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bill Harry doesn't sound convinced on "Mersey Beat" and some of his questions were not answered. Unfortunately the article only goes to show how little Freddie and Charlie Lennon knew about the family.
"The Lennon’s timeline" again shows how little they knew. I looked at the page about Jack Lennon and there is not one paragraph which is right.Brakn17:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The first two paragraphs of The Lennon Family are very confusing. (I have read it 5 times...) Can you make it simpler? --andreasegde22:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You know that it would mean taking out most of the first paragraph. :-)Brakn08:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Andreasegde! Births, marriage and death indexes and census returns can be viewed online at Findmypast.com. There are other sites like Ancestry.co.uk that do much the same job.
Certificates can be ordered online here at www.gro.gov.uk/ - the General Register Office.Brakn13:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have a disturbing feeling that he should be called Alf, and not Freddie. His family always called him Alf. If I am wrong I could fix it quite quickly. What's your opinion, Brakn? --andreasegde12:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Any edit made without a verifiable reference will be deleted, including edits that are slipped into referenced sentences, BTW. --andreasegde (talk)03:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
==Notable?==Other then co-creating 'John', what's he notable for?GoodDay (talk)23:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok if we're going to get silly...."James and Jane were both from County Down, Northern Ireland"
Shouldn't that read as County Down, in what is now known as Northern Ireland?
No need for the change in the first place.Brakn (talk)09:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was not without issues though, some of which I have addressed. First of all, the practice of consistently referring to John Lennon as "Lennon" had to be changed. Granted, he is inextricably associated with the name "Lennon", but it is still absurd to refer to a five-year-old boy by his last name, in an article about his father. If anyone is "Lennon" in this article, it's Alf. I think I got all of these.
Further, the language is a bit unencyclopaedic at times; I tried to remove the worst instances. There is a tendency towards over-linking, which I did not do anything about, but should be addressed if the article is taken to a higher level. Finally, the urban legend section seems like it might constituteWP:OR. I wasn't entirely sure what to do with this, but possibly the whole section should simply be removed.Lampman (talk)15:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In my bookThe Lives of John Lennon, it was John's mother (Julia) who played the banjo.GoodDay (talk)20:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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other than being john lennon's father it seems he did nothing of note! but if being the father of a famous person is enough, in itself, to warrant a wikipedia entry how come every other famous singers dad doesnt have their own wikipedia page??? seriously, what on earth did he do, besides being the father of john lennon, that made him a well known person warranting a wikipedia entry?— Precedingunsigned comment added by131.172.226.9 (talk)05:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Two users by the name:Serial Number 54129 andRitchie333 tried to delete the whole article so I'm requesting protecting for this article.Kindoom08:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The matter has been resolved.—Kindoom 04:28, 14 April 2019(UTC)
Can someone tell me why this article was deleted? Thanks.User:Kindoom09:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been redirected toJohn Lennon#Biography. As such it has been procedurally delisted from Good article status. If it is decided to revert the redirect the Good status can be reapplied to the article by undoingthis edit. RegardsAIRcorn (talk)09:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The continued existence of this article dedicated to someone with zero claim to notability is the biggest current embarrassment to wikipedia.95.149.126.38 (talk)19:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
