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Date:13 Dec 2018 20:34
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TuftoTufto13 Dec 2018 20:34

Sic semper tyrannis!

With thanks to:

SeraDomiCher
Woedenaz
Weryllium
Viridilucens

This is… a horribly overambitious thing that should probably be downvoted. But I couldn't get the image of Site 89 out of my head so I had to write it down.

The image is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International, and can be foundhere.

You can find more of my stuffhere.

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rattlesrattles13 Dec 2018 23:05

Well I thought it was good, Tufto.

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Modern_ErasmusModern_Erasmus14 Dec 2018 04:38

Powerful as hell. Well done!

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MaliceAforethoughtMaliceAforethought14 Dec 2018 19:05

Awesome stuff from start to finish.

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WoedenazWoedenaz14 Dec 2018 21:29

Gave this a +1 at the draft state and I think your edits make it a +2 (if I even could.)

Great job!

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ModernMajorGeneralModernMajorGeneral15 Dec 2018 01:02

I feel conflicted about this. As always, your prose is delightful to read, and the high concept and ambition is impressive. However, I can't shake the feeling that this relies too much on convenient exposition and note-at-the-end syndrome - it's a novote from me.

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WarpZoneWarpZone17 Dec 2018 15:08

I really,really don't get Future Kells's deal. Yah, let's time-travel all throughout human history and kidnap a bunch of dudes and install modern military training into them so we have dudes to operate our cannons. That totally makes more sense than justautomating the fucking cannons.

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IkonovichIkonovich18 Dec 2018 08:30

I'm assuming there's some anomalous, probably thaumaturgical nonsense going on that requires living bodies to use the weapons

Unfold byIkonovichIkonovich,18 Dec 2018 08:30
TuftoTufto18 Dec 2018 11:02

I mean, I didn't want to make stuff about the future 89 too explicit, but there are several options: as Ikonovich says, they're clearly at least partially thaumaturgial in a way that might necessitate living bodies; automation might have to be done electronically given Kells' resources, but given the compromised nature of their systems he might be reluctant to do that; or he doesn't literally need people to man the cannons but just needs more manpower in general, and was just using a rhetorical device to impress his purpose on his past self.

Having said all that, Future Kells' deal is indeed somewhat baffling, because he himself is not really in his right mind. This is a man who instead of working out some systematic way to go about his manpower-harvesting missions instead has a certain predilection for elite warriors and personal guardsmen. This is a man who could just evacuate everyone through time with their research and then smash the Apparatus before the King could get to it. Or who could do any number of things- but because he's become so convinced that his limited, unimaginative authoritarian views are rational objectivity, he's stuck making the same old mistakes until his more human and less damaged past self sees what's going on and puts an end to it.

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stormbreathstormbreath12 May 2019 00:11

Given the author's 001 proposal — which is linked to this — I always interpreted the need to have bodies for the wall as less of a need for manpower, and more of a blood sacrifice type deal. The Scarlet King can only be stopped by living bodies and physical manpower; automation wouldn't have any effect. In fact, it'd probably make things worse.

And certainly, since the Scarlet King is shaped by belief, and Kells believed bodies were needed for the wall, bodies became necessary for the wall. And at this point, he's too stuck in his ways to change his beliefs, as Tufto says above.


can I get some nice "no signatures on my forum"
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understandable have a nice day

Unfold bystormbreathstormbreath,12 May 2019 00:11
TuftoTufto12 May 2019 01:03

This hadn't actually occurred to me but I like this a lot and is now my personal canon :p.

Unfold byTuftoTufto,12 May 2019 01:03
Great scip
SovietMorseSovietMorse24 Dec 2018 13:33

This is only second to red Sea object for me. I'd give so many + if I could.

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W AsrielW Asriel04 Jan 2019 07:45

I would say it's a story about a man fighting against his own weakness.
+1 from me (and it's nowtranslated into Chinese)

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(account deleted)04 Jan 2019 08:56

Great. Something exactly the same as I expected from my favourite author.


若批评不自由,则赞美无意义。

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