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SCP-2272 / Discussion
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Date:22 Sep 2014 20:38
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Kate McTirissKate McTiriss22 Sep 2014 20:40

Baseball is ninety percent mental, and the other half is physical.
-Yogi Berra

New SCP involvingDjoric's Roget's Oneiroi Initiative. For more works in this continuity, seeDixieland Nightmare Magic.

Last edited on22 Sep 2014 20:43byKate McTiriss Show more
Unfold byKate McTirissKate McTiriss,22 Sep 2014 20:40
DjoricDjoric22 Sep 2014 20:41

Djoric's Oneiroi Initiative

Wot? I got nothing to do with Oneiroi.

Unfold byDjoricDjoric,22 Sep 2014 20:41
Kate McTirissKate McTiriss22 Sep 2014 20:44

You and Roget are basically the same person, right?

Unfold byKate McTirissKate McTiriss,22 Sep 2014 20:44
Pig_catapultPig_catapult26 Sep 2014 01:32

At least 96% of all users and 100% of staff on this wiki are Roget's socks.


Piffy is anSCP Foundation Moderator, Lv. 9001 Squishy Wizard, and Knight of the Red Pen.

Unfold byPig_catapultPig_catapult,26 Sep 2014 01:32
SmaptiSmapti22 Sep 2014 20:46

I get the impression that I might enjoy this more if I were an afficianado of Minor League Baseball.

Since I'm not an afficianado of Minor League Baseball, or baseball in general, I'm just not feeling it.

Unfold bySmaptiSmapti,22 Sep 2014 20:46
VAElynxVAElynx22 Sep 2014 20:47

Neat as usual.
I love the FT analysis of the images as a safe way to deal with infohazards while having the information on the table in its original form. The fact that the entire audience had their eyes closed is just delightfully creepy.

I wonder though, what would happen if the Foundation sent an autonomous robot to interact with the players and/or audience through one of those matches, the bot recording what happens for later viewing?

Unfold byVAElynxVAElynx,22 Sep 2014 20:47
TagliafierroTagliafierro22 Sep 2014 21:07

Yay, your first Euclid.

Unfold byTagliafierroTagliafierro,22 Sep 2014 21:07
(account deleted)22 Sep 2014 21:10

Unlike Smapti, Iam a baseball aficionado, but baseball is really kind of secondary to the skip.

I had commented on a previous installment of this series that my initial inclination in registering a since-reconsidered downvote was that the peripherals appeared to be obscuring what appeared at the time to be a weak story. This one, unlike that one, is definitely on the wrong end of the peripherals-to-story balance.

Firstly, the story doesn't even really make sense. When this phenomenon was considered to be an actual, living baseball player, why was the Foundation even involved? As far as I can tell, before they found out he didn't exist, to the Foundation this was just another AA-level prospect working on his pitch selection. So why the initial attempts at containment that involved orchestrating a trade to the Foundation Fightin' 682s?

You've also gone a couple of bridges too far in terms of borrowing elements from other articles. I found the pretexts for the appropriation of theSCP-592 photoanalysis conceit to be flimsy, to the point that it comes across as a form of coattail-riding. And the Oneiroi reference seems to be an attempt to farm out, wholesale, any sort of reasoning behind this object, without any real work in the article itself to make that connection.

I'm disappointed in this article. There's not really anything here except borrowed elements from previous articles and a couple of items of mild visual interest. Considered against some of the other pieces of writing in which this is supposed to be contextualized, the comparative lack of narrative quality is glaring.

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VAElynxVAElynx22 Sep 2014 21:27

You've also gone a couple of bridges too far in terms of borrowing elements from other articles. I found the pretexts for the appropriation of the SCP-592 photoanalysis conceit to be flimsy, to the point that it comes across as a form of coattail-riding.

Dunno. I don't recall ever reading 592, and looking at it, it doesn't even have Kate's vote on it.
I'm tempted to call this convergent evolution.
Besides, even if it was outright taken, I'd still like it because it makes the Foundation appear to have consistent methodics in these cases, and ones that are rather RL-based.

You do have a point in farming out the motive in a way that doesn't even hint at some goal. If this was AWCY? people would be downvoting it in droves.

Either way, call it low standards but I still like this one.

Unfold byVAElynxVAElynx,22 Sep 2014 21:27
Kate McTirissKate McTiriss22 Sep 2014 22:20

I used the wording from the system in 592 after I realized my idea for analysis of infohazardous images was used well in it. Why would the foundation reinvent the wheel when they already have software that does the same thing developed?

Unfold byKate McTirissKate McTiriss,22 Sep 2014 22:20
Orlando_WordsmithOrlando_Wordsmith29 Aug 2023 15:37

I wish I could upvote this comment simply for the phrase "The Foundation Fightin' 682s"…that is fantastic!

Unfold byOrlando_WordsmithOrlando_Wordsmith,29 Aug 2023 15:37
DearheartDearheart22 Sep 2014 21:39

Maybe I missed something, but how did they even find out about this? As far as anyone could tell, it was just an ordinary baseball player, and apparently it took some advanced methods to find any indication otherwise. So why did they even start looking at this 'guy' in the first place?

Unfold byDearheartDearheart,22 Sep 2014 21:39
Scorpion451Scorpion45123 Sep 2014 02:51

Because he apparently didn't exist prior to joining the team, in records or otherwise. I would certainly hope the foundation would notice something like a spontaneously appearing minor league baseball player.

Unfold byScorpion451Scorpion451,23 Sep 2014 02:51
RioghailRioghail23 Sep 2014 10:22

There are good things about this, but I'm going to downvote.

I really like the failed containment procedures - they're the most refreshing and interesting procedures I've seen in a long time, and the best I've seen from an author who's pretty good at making off-the-wall procedures. I like the fate of the unfortunate Mr. Potsdam. I like the peripheral footnotes, and I like the images. I don't really understand how the Foundation is supposed to have found out about this, but I suppose there's actually tangible evidence that something odd is going on here, even if it doesn't seem sensible for the Foundation to bust out the sonar when faced with a possible typo.

But I have to agree with Kalinin - there's just not that much here when you get down to it. The idea of a nonexistent baseball player is fine, I guess, but you shoot yourself in the foot by telling us pretty much everything there is to know about the meat of the article in the caption to the first image. I mean, "Ellis Canastota, who does not exist" is a sufficient summary of this article except the aforementioned containment stuff. The image analysis is pretty much cribbed from SCP-592, the backstory is cribbed from Oneiroi, and neither of them really add anything. I was thinking there was going to be some kind of progression here, but it didn't really happen.

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Unfold byRioghailRioghail,23 Sep 2014 10:22
VAElynxVAElynx23 Sep 2014 10:31

The image analysis is pretty much cribbed from SCP-592,

Once again. How is the Foundation using consistent procedure, doubly so one with a solid grounding in real world, ever a bad thing?

Unfold byVAElynxVAElynx,23 Sep 2014 10:31
RioghailRioghail23 Sep 2014 13:20

It's not the concept that I object to, and I agree the in-universe justification is sensible (hell, I used a similar procedure in one of my own articles) but I think that the addendum presenting the information in exactly the same way doesn't work for me. If the image analysis system was referred to in the article but the logs weren't replicated, I would agree with you.

The presentation was specifically created by SCP-592's author in an impactful way, and I don't like its re-use here because I think that, unlike SCP-592, there's no actual interesting content in that addendum and all the interest comes from a device that has been obviously taken from another popular article. I'd compare it to someone shoe-horning one of the 'yournamehere' codes into an article because they saw SCP-902 do it.

I don't deny that it's possible for someone to use the photoanalysis program in another SCP in a way that I'd upvote, but this SCP, in my opinion, is not it. If you removed that addendum completely and added in a line somewhere else mentioning the eyes-closed thing (which I find odd not to have been mentioned anywhere else), then the only thing lost would have been the format of the log, which is a source of interest that is, undeniably, cribbed from another article.

Unfold byRioghailRioghail,23 Sep 2014 13:20
Sensei Le RoofSensei Le Roof23 Sep 2014 19:24

"Phenomena" is plural.

Unfold bySensei Le RoofSensei Le Roof,23 Sep 2014 19:24
Khym ChanurKhym Chanur23 Sep 2014 20:01

Double-blind analysis of aerial sonar readings

If you just mean that the people doing the analysis weren't told anything about what they were analyzing, that would be single blinding, in which case the adjective be "blinded" rather than "double-blind". Of course, that would lead to the problem that readers might think that the analyzers were blind.

Unfold byKhym ChanurKhym Chanur,23 Sep 2014 20:01
TL333sTL333s23 Sep 2014 22:00

I was kind of not feeling this because it just seemed like "baseball baseball baseball", but the final addendum did a lot to endear it to me. I will say that the description of the first image is pretty long and convoluted, though.

Unfold byTL333sTL333s,23 Sep 2014 22:00
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