To see what I mean by Philosophy of Real Mathematics lookhere.
posted by david at6:46 PM
"Intuitively, if a forecaster believes in their forecasts for rain they ought to be happy to accept bets made either for or against it raining at the odds they give."
It is important to keep in mind that betting-on-outcomes is an operationalization of the subjective bayesian view of probabilities. This fact has at least two consequences which bayesian statisticians often seem to ignore. Firstly, this operationalization involves a representation of reality, and any representation has assumptions which may or may not be applicable in particular cases. Secondly, it is not the only possible representation.
The philosopher Mark Colyvan, at the University of Queensland, has written on some of the assumptions implicit in the use of the standard probability theory axioms, starting with the assumption that reality can be represented by propositions.
Some questions that arise:
How do I operationalize my subjective probabilities if I have religious (or other) objections to betting? How do two bayesians combine their subjective probabilities in a coherent manner, if their underlying assumptions are different?
-- Peter
Further to my comment, another question: How am I to understand subjective probabilities if I have a pre-deteministic view of reality? It strikes me that among the other implicit assumptions of subjective bayesianism (and perhaps also the propensity theory view) is one that says the future is not already pre-determined.
-- Peter
...the assumption that reality can be represented by propositions.
As myagreement with Brandom suggests, I too see this as a problem. Propositional attitudes emerge out of our interaction with the world. They are not prior too it. On the other hand, some parts of our engagement with the world can be addressed in propositional form, to the extent that we may even be able to make wagers.
How do I operationalize my subjective probabilities if I have religious (or other) objections to betting?
Other problems with the betting set-up include the one that you need not desire £100000 ten times as much as £10000.
The betting idea is supposed to be taken somewhat figuratively. What you want is some ideal commodity which matches linearly with your desires. But you point to a larger problem that underlying all this is something akin to the subject of much modern economics, the utility-maximising individualist.
How do two bayesians combine their subjective probabilities in a coherent manner, if their underlying assumptions are different?
I don't see that they'd have to come to a common position. One would update her probabilities according to the information the other passed on, how much she trusted him, etc. They're not in the same situation.
How am I to understand subjective probabilities if I have a pre-deteministic view of reality?
A Bayesian can be a thoroughgoing determinist. I may know that given all the conditions of your throw of that die, the outcome is inevitable. But I don't know all these conditions. The Bayesian is in a much better position vis-a-vis dterminism than the propensity theorist or frequentist.
If you've read my work, you'll know I'm not a great believer in a mathematicized philosophy. My interest in this game theoretic version of probability theory is down to what I expect it might be able to do along the lines of the references I mentioned, especially in the context of machne learning.
In subjective probability, you really can't distinguish between differences in evaluations of probability and differences in evaluation of the utility of money? What about Aumann-Anscomb?