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> BINGO! We have a winner! This thread should probably die. I just got done> hashing out a long thread on the python lists about the evil's and> hypocricy of the FSF socialsts saying their license is free. Which is a> total load or SH*T. It's about as free as china.As another poster said, with freedom comes responsibility. *grins* Since"your side" seems so fond of talking about the "Real World" what wouldhappen to source that was released without the protection of one of thevarious open source licenses? I agree that the original GPL isdefinitely at the far end of the spectrum, and may not be appropriatefor all cases, but to say that the GPL licence is "evil" and"hypocritical" seems very UN-Real.> > Like Karl Marx, it'd do him and his cult worshippers a world of good> > to go out, get jobs, and work for a living for a while. Might put some> > of his deranged notions in proper perspective. Go reread what he's> > written without the rose-tinted glasses.>> Actually they couldnt do that in their world. The GPL puts programmers out> of a job. You cant make any money on GPL software. Hence the ammount of> linux companies going T*TS up. You simply cannot sustain a viable income> from giving away your R&D code. But that is exactly what stallman and the> FSF want. To destroy IP, and kill the software industry. And looking at> the ammoung of linux companies who have failed, the rest are not far> behind. It clearly shows what the GPL is designed to do.*hmmm* I'm coming from the viewpoint of a student who had to recentlypay >$100 dollars (Including student rebate) for a Microsoft programthat the University DEMANDED I use because Microsoft (With a quitecunning piece of business acumen, I must admit.) spent years developinga strangle-hold on institutions' imaginations. Now I don't have anything against big business, overall it's pretty good(Thinking chocolate and bottled beer), but when a group of companiesstarts to squeeze money out of those who can ill afford it, they reallyshould feel ashamed about squealing when somebody gets sick of it andorganizes a freer and cheaper alternative, now shouldn't they? Seems tome that most software companies got TOO good at making money. The way Isee it, there should be a natural balance between the best interests ofbusiness, and the best interests of the customer, which is what the OpenSource community seems to be drifting towards. *paraphrasing like crazy*"In the beginning there was only One Software. But immediately this Onebecame Two, Commercial and Open Source, which soon became Four: GPL,LGPL, Proprietary and ShareWare. These four elements formed and splitand reformed again. And out of this chaos formed a Stone Egg. Warmed byGPL, cooled by Proprietary, nourished by LGPL and ShareWare, from thisegg hatched a stone Monkey, and it's nature was ... IRRREPRESSIBLE."> > What has he done for us (instead of to us) *lately*? Nothing. He's a> > waste of meat.> > Compare, for instance, to Linus or Guido. They write code. Any fame> > they get is justified, because they've written *GOOD* code. Eric S.> > Raymond is a borderline case; he does write code, sometimes very useful> > code (and sometimes stuff like C-Intercal...). But he's also a> > shameless exhibitionist, and needs about a 99% fame reduction.>> Linus hasnt written probably 10% of the Linux OS. Ill bet 90% of it work> of others. So Linus hasnt dont a whole heck of a lot for anyone either.How much of the python interpreter have you written? How often do youuse it? Would it exist if Guido hadn't had an idea to create a better,more explicit language. If he and the other workhorses behind theinterpreter want to GPL it *shrugs*. It's not as if they're demandingyou GPL your scripts, now is it?Using an analogy, my mother and father originally only contributedtwenty minutes of sweating and grunting to start me off, but it'd bedamned hard for me to be here without them.> > Until someone infects some non-GPL code with the GPL. Then it's been> > stolen.>> Thats one of the main points of the GPL. Destroy IP, and ownership. Among> other things.>> > >long as you have not used FSF software and violated its license -- in>> Sure yet again this is not freedom. "Play by our rules or go reinvent the> wheel and play in another sandbox." There is no freedom in the GPL. GET> OVER IT."We wanna use your cool free GPL source in our commercial software, butif you want it back, we wanna make you pay for it."> What makes me laugh is guido and the rest of whatever committee there is> for Python trying to negotiate to get the Python license GPL compatible.> WHO THE HE** CARES IF IT IS GPL COMPATIBLE! I could care less about> bending to the will of some socialist nut case group like the FSF. People> act like it's a big friggin deal to be "GPL compatible". I hope it never> happens with Python. I would tell RMS and the rest of the FSF crowd to get> bent. We dont care about being inline with you're stupid corrupt agenda.Well I kind of like the idea that, as Python has been community written,nobody can take that code away from the community behind some closedsource license. Maybe a GPL isn't required, but I'd still like to see aLGPL applied to python.Anycase, my 50c worth. Hey, inflation, don'tchaknow. If it makes youfeel better, just think of it as each paragraph as an "upgrade".Joal Heagney/AncientHart
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