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[Python-Dev] PEP: Migrating the Python CVS to Subversion
Stephen J. Turnbullstephen at xemacs.org
Thu Aug 4 06:17:50 CEST 2005
>>>>> "M" == "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> writes: M> Other non-commercial alternatives are Berlios and Savannah, but M> I'm not sure whether they'd offer Subversion support.Savannah doesn't offer great reliability or support, at least to judgeby the frequency with which the GNU Emacs and GNU Arch projects havebeen unable to access various services on Savannah, including mailinglists and CVS.I also wonder if Savannah poses security risks. They've beensuccessfully cracked (ISTR more than once) in the last couple ofyears, and took 6-10 weeks to get back to normal. This makes themreluctant to make minor variations in their established procedures forthe convenience of projects. For example, it took a couple of monthsfor GNU Arch to arrange sftp access so that they could host the Archproject in an Arch repository (Arch can use sftp but not plain ssh asa transport).SunSITE.dk does provide reliable service and timely support. XEmacshas been very happy with it. But Martin v. Loewis apparently hasn'thad the same good experience with negotiating with them, and at leastsome negotiation and relationship maintenance is necessary---it's acloser, more personal relationship than with SF or Savannah. Inparticular for Subversion support (I was told they allow it on a caseby case basis, and once success is demonstrated they plan to offer itin general). As I say, we've been happy with SunSITE, but the amountof effort is basically the same as if we ran our own repository, justdirected more toward "vendor relations" and away from "sys admin"(which suits us).FWIW, XEmacs has moved or reorganized CVS repositories five timessince 1999. Although it's not all in the PEP, if you add thediscussion on this list Martin has covered the important issues weencountered or worried about.-- School of Systems and Information Engineeringhttp://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jpUniversity of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.
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