Russell Coker wrote:
One of the ways of dealing with them is avoiding them. There are manypeople who live full, happy lives who have dealt with the particularstresses of crime by avoiding it rather than dealing with it head on. Dowe want people to avoid Debian because it's unduly stressful? If I'm notmistaken, Rusty has chosen to avoid this forum because it's overlystressful and unproductive, in spite of his fairly thick skin [0].Another way of dealing with stressful situations is to try to make themeasier to deal with in future; which not only helps you (at least in thelong term, though rarely in the short), it also helps everyone elsewho'll be in a similar position in the future.Btw, speaking of unproductive, have you looked at your posts over thepast few months? Two on SELinux, two trying to give up fcron, 16 onspamcop (well, nominally; six were about spam, the other 10 were aboutBush and killing people), 25 on sex and bestiality and rape and what notas part of the hot-babe thread, three on initrd/lvm/devfs, and anothersix in this thread about how everything's perfectly fine. That's, what,10 on topic messages, 12 messages meta-ontopic, and 35 messages thatwere completely off-topic, and at best on highly controversial subjects,if not being outright offensive.<helen_ml_faulkner@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:That's not the issue. The issue is that there are many stressful situationsin life and adults have to be able to deal with them.Ahh, it's the "I can deal with it therefore it's OK" line. What ifthere is another solution? Are you even prepared to consider thatpossibility?
Seriously, could youplease refrain from driving a car if you can't deal with such stress,Sure, but part of dealing with stress on the roads is having most peopleindicate before they swerve into your lane, and even having agreed uponsides of the road to drive on. And for that matter, having trafficlights and pedestrian crossings so the people who don't want to drivecan still participate safely.By contrast, no matter how little you choose to participate in Debian,you can pretty easily find yourself in a metaphorical game of chickenwith a Mac truck bearing down on you.
Really? A moment ago you were saying that flaming a polite, competentcoder was a respectable way to become famous.What would you prefer:1) - a community where people are pleasant to each other, wheredisagreements are discussed politely, and where people who are unable tobe civil are not glorified for their behaviour.This isn't too far from the situation we have.
Really? Most people wouldn't call "Your arrogance is remarkable." aparticularly civil comment; except in so far that you consider anythingthat doesn't involve into a fist fight as civil behaviour. Which of youand Marc Haber don't do any work?How about "Anyway, it's clear that trying to discuss thing swith you isa pointless excercise in frustration, [...]" ? Is it you or Miles Baderwho doesn't do any work?In any case, mere civility is a woefully low bar to set. Is there reallysome reason Debian shouldn't be an absolute pleasure to be involved in,ubiquitously and continually? Perhaps we can't hope to never receivenasty comments from outsiders, but is there any particular reason wecan't make our development forums technical, productive, kind, and generous?People who do the work are generally civil to each other.
PS You really should talk to some mothers about the stress involved withraising children. Most reports make raising children sound about a milliontimes more difficult than dealing with flames.Of course, raising children is also probably a billion times morerewarding than developing Debian, too; well at least assumingproportional hyperbole. In any case, that still doesn't provide anyjustification for failing to even attempt to reduce the stress involvedin working on Debian; certainly a lot of effort goes into helping peoplereduce the stress in raising kids.
Cheers,aj[0]http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/04/msg00191.html