Quoting#28268 (comment)

The core problem is that there is some ambiguity as to what "Clearing" as axes means and it is double ambiguous with shared axis.

While I haven't dug into the details of what we currently do, these may be reasonble guildelines

• All data-like content should be removed (actual data, labels, etc.)
• Layout should stay (position, twinning)
• Formatting: t.b.d.

Specifically this PR: a twinned Axes can only reasonable be (re-) used if the secondary label position is kept.

I'm unsure whether the label position should be kept in general or only for twinned Axes. - I've a slight preference to keep in general, but that's really up for discussion. If we cannot decide now, the specific twinned solution is the minimal meaningful change - it should not break any user expectations, because keeping twinning, but resetting the label is inconsistent.

The current implementation is too lax. Either one goes for the general solution, and keeps all label positions on all axes. Or one specifically keeps x-label positions for twinx and y-label position for twiny. And whatever the final decision/implementation is, we need tests to codify this behavior.

Another option is that twinned axes become their own class that is particularly a child of the parent axes. This could make the class less flexible and allow us to enforce the fact it's a twin more robustly. In particular there seem to be perennial problems with resizing axes and draw order that could be more straightforward if it was clear an axes was a child of its parent (the name "twin" notwithstanding)

Another option is that twinned axes become their own class that is particularly a child of the parent axes.

I like the idea, but it‘s somewhat orthogonal to the problem here. We need to decide on the behavior of clear anyway, and implementation-wise a subclass is much more complicated than either of the concrete solutions here. The benefit would be on other aspects of twinning.

I don't think it is very orthogonal - if twin axes are a subclass, we can define the default location of the twinned label versus setting it in an ad-hoc manner when the axes is created, and then allowing it to be changed to the global default whenclear is called.

I do agree, however, that the concept ofclear should be specified, rather than left up to interpretation of successive contributors.

As a side note, welcome back! After#5405 I feared you had burned out on mpl work.

While we still have to clarify the exact semantics ofclear (#28851), I agree that twinning should be kept throughout clear, and keeping the moved label is part of that. We could accept this PR as a stopgap fix. However, I'm unclear whether this fixes all aspects of twinx. Compare

matplotlib/lib/matplotlib/axes/_base.py

Lines 4575 to 4584 in6404c95

	ax2=self._make_twin_axes(sharex=self)
	ax2.yaxis.tick_right()
	ax2.yaxis.set_label_position('right')
	ax2.yaxis.set_offset_position('right')
	ax2.set_autoscalex_on(self.get_autoscalex_on())
	self.yaxis.tick_left()
	ax2.xaxis.set_visible(False)
	ax2.patch.set_visible(False)
	ax2.xaxis.units=self.xaxis.units
	returnax2

for what a twin Axes makes out.

Also, this should covertwiny as well.

With this patch:

❯ git diff _base.pydiff --git a/lib/matplotlib/axes/_base.py b/lib/matplotlib/axes/_base.pyindex 433647516f..2fc6c22901 100644--- a/lib/matplotlib/axes/_base.py+++ b/lib/matplotlib/axes/_base.py@@ -1269,6 +1269,13 @@ class _AxesBase(martist.Artist):             set_right_label_again = \                 (self._axis_map['y'].get_label_position() == 'right') +        # A twiny-copied axis title set to the top will move back the+        # bottom if it is cleared.+        set_top_label_again = False+        if 'x' in self._axis_map:+            set_top_label_again = \+                (self._axis_map['x'].get_label_position() == 'top')+         if hasattr(self, 'patch'):             patch_visible = self.patch.get_visible()         else:@@ -1388,6 +1395,8 @@ class _AxesBase(martist.Artist):          if set_right_label_again:             self._axis_map['y'].set_label_position('right')+        if set_top_label_again:+            self._axis_map['x'].set_label_position('top')          self.stale = True

The following adjusted test code

import matplotlib.pyplot as pltfigure = plt.figure()ax = figure.add_subplot(111)ax2 = ax.twinx()ax2.cla()#or clear() ; doesn't work both waysax.set_ylabel('ax_label')ax.set_xlabel('ay_label')ax2.set_ylabel('ax2_label')#expected to be on the rightax3 = ax.twiny()ax3.cla()ax3.set_xlabel('ax3_label')plt.show()

has before and after images:
Before patch

After Patch

Did you want it to restore the other properties as well (eg autoscale, visible, units) or is this sufficient?

looking at what was set duringtwinx(), I believe we want all these settings to persist after clear

 ax2.yaxis.tick_right() ax2.yaxis.set_label_position('right')  ax2.yaxis.set_offset_position('right')  ax2.set_autoscalex_on(self.get_autoscalex_on())  self.yaxis.tick_left()  ax2.xaxis.set_visible(False)  ax2.patch.set_visible(False)  ax2.xaxis.units = self.xaxis.units  return ax2

• Ticks, label and offset label should be right
• Autoscaling should be on - we're erased all data and the limits should be autoscaled when adding new data
• xaxis and patch should be invisible.
• xaxis units should match (it may be that they always do after clearing but t.b.d.)

I haven't checked which of these properties are reset through clear. But if they are reset, you should restore them.