In general this seems good.

OTOH I have been considering whether constrained_layout (or tight_layout) even needs to be part of the figure creation anymore. It definitely needs to be part of figure drawing...

The point being that we could imagineother layout managers, and maybe this kwarg could take a class that does the layout?

OTOH I have been considering whether constrained_layout (or tight_layout) even needs to be part of the figure creation anymore. It definitely needs to be part of figure drawing...

It's reasonable to have the layout mechanism as state on the Figure. And for practicality, configuring that state during creation is reasonable. It may well be that we don't have to actually do anything with that information until draw time.

The point being that we could imagineother layout managers, and maybe this kwarg could take a class that does the layout?

This is quite analogous to theprojection case where accept some strings, but also classes. For that generalization we'd need a layout manager interface description though. But from the user-facing API, thelayout parameter is compatible with such an extension.

Maybe

1. Some string shortcuts (layout='tight',layout='constrained') to the existing kw args.
2. A newlayout class that hastight_layout andconstrained_layout as subclasses that can be instantiated and hold options for those classes. i.e.fig = plt.figure(layout=mpl.layouts.constrained_layout(wspace=0.04, pad=0.02))
3. keepset_constrained andset_constrained_pad and whatever is done for tight_layout for back compat, but have them call methods in thelayout classes.

This leaves us open in the future to have these be user-constructible, and just have a draw-hook that callslayout.execute() at draw time.

It'd be nice to get 20016 in so it'd be nice to hammer this out

looks good, I think some of the docs need adjusting now.

You mean examples?

No I mean we aren't accepting a dict...

I think this is a welcome API improvement. Just two thoughts about naming...

I would again (cf. a gitter conversation from a little while back) make a plug for naming the "constrained" operation something that describes the result, not something that describes the implementation.

Second, in terms of the parameter name, "layout" suggests something about the general position of the subplots, not the method for "cleaning up" their fine positioning and extents. In fact, I just checked, and "layout" is the name of the parameter for the arrangement of the subplots insubplot_mosaic. Feels like that's bound to cause confusion...

Not sure there is appetite to change the name of constrained_layout.

But fair enough about this not being strictly the layout. Maybelayout_engine,layout_algorithm,layout_method? None are as concise aslayout, but leavinglayout off would make it too enigmatic.

Appreciate the reluctance to change the name; I mention it because this API change would be the moment to do it, if it's going to happen. My expectation would be that keeping "constrained" will lead to relative disuse of the feature. Given the choice between "tight" and "constrained", "tight" sounds better to me.

All of the bigrams are better names, but require so much typing :(

If it were up to me, I would search for a parameter name that is more concise and corresponds more closely to exactly what the feature does, which is automatically arrange the subplots for optimal use of space. So, some synonym of "arrange", "marshal", "cleanup" might make sense...

I appreciate the naming considerations.

I've chosen the names for maximal recognizability[kind]_layout=True -->layout='[kind]'.

subplot_mosaic(layout, ..., **fig_kw) is indeed a show stopper. We should not have a figure parameter with the same name, because it cannot be passed. Two options (both viable in principle):

1. Rename the firstsubplot_mosaic parameter. This should be managable.subplot_mosaic is still provisional, and I doubt many people are usinglayout as a keyword there.
2. Find another parameter name for the layout engine.

For 1. we could go withsubplot_mosaic(arrangement, ...) or similar.

I'm a bit wed tolayout because it's already used for these operations in the code. Also it reminds me of the Qt layout system. Neither of "arrange", "marshal", "cleanup" talk to me in this context. Some other possibilities:figure(... positioning='tight'),figure(..., adjustment='tight'),figure(..., spacing='tight').
As for the values: I think 'tight' should stay astight_layout is a long standing name many people know. Also it doesn't sound too positive, which is good 😄. I agree that 'constrained' is quite technical. Since 'constrained_layout` is still experimental, renaming is an option. "what the feature does exactly" is in principle better than naming the technical solution. However that's hard to define. Generally, "The layout mechanism adjusts axes sizes and positions all artists so that there is reasonable spacing around all artists". That's true for both algorithms and doesn't help me with naming 😞. Instead of 'constrained' we might characterize the look of the result as "clean", "spaced", "distributed", "optimal", "relaxed", ...

For 1. we could go with subplot_mosaic(arrangement, ...) or similar.

That seems reasonable to me, if it makes sense to@tacaswell and@story645

That still doesn't say iflayout is the right choice here. I don't know that typing something longer is the end of the world. After all, we have been typingconstrained_layout=True the whole time, solayout_optimizer='constrained' isn't that bad.

Does this need to be propagated to the docstrings of the pyplot functions?

I agree with your statement of what the feature does.

Name: I thinkspacing (oroptimize_spacing) is good.

default: I guess I almost always useconstrained_layout=True. However, I am somewhat leery about a complicated algorithm as the default. For instance it can go wrong sometimes, and lead to quite strange layouts (mostly when an end-user has specified positions in physical units so that there is no way to satisfy the constraints). For prior art of magic causing problems, theinline backend in jupyter doesbbox_inches="tight" by default, which causes a lot of confusion for users (I would guess there are 2-3 stackoverflow questions about this a week).

For prior art of magic causing problems, the inline backend in jupyter does bbox_inches="tight" by default, which causes a lot of confusion for users (I would guess there are 2-3 stackoverflow questions about this a week).

How many questions a week do you think there would be along the lines of "why are my axis labels cut off in matplotlib" if it weren't the default, though?

"why are my axis labels cut off in matplotlib" if it weren't the default, though?

I don't think any of the other backends do this by default, so while I'm sure there are some questions along those lines, they are usually answered by "use tight_layout". But the point is well-taken that if 95% of plots are made with tight_layout turned on (and I bet that is not an exaggeration), maybe a spacing managershould be on by default.

I think theinline backendsbbox_inches="tight" is not quite comparable. Automatic cutting is surprising (you specify a figsize, but the figure ends up smaller). I don't expect that a resonable automatic, spacing is surprising. Concerning the corner cases: We should be able to detect cases where constraints cannot be fulfilled and fall back to now layout with a warning.

Since this is a significant change, I would like to briefly discuss this in the next dev call.
In particular the questions:

• Can we be specific or do we want to stay more open to extensions?
• Do we want to activate a default optimizer in the foreseeable future?

Depending on these questions, I propse the following parameter name:

I can't make this week's call unfortunately. But we could do the following week.

I think we should allow "extensions". When thinking about this, this is all really just a draw-time hook, and wehave a drawtime callback. Regardless I like having it be its own kwarg as that is less mysterious.

We decided in the dev call today to name the parameterlayout because that is the most intuitive transition (tight_layout=True ->layout='tight'). The name may not be perfect but it's good enough. Also that pandas is usinglayout for the subplot arrangement is not a great worry. It's in a distant enough context that it should not be confusing. And we plan to propose to them to switch fromsubplots=True, layout=(2, 2) tosubplots=(2, 2).

Whats the plan here@timhoffm - here must be very many places where this needs to be changed in the docs? The test coverage is also null at the moment?

I was going to merge and leave docs for later, but I think we definitely want some sort of test coverage at least.

I don't know if we can leave the docs this way unless this waits for 3.6

I think it's ok to change the docs later for API changes that are only discouraging existing behavior. The transition on the user side is gradual anyway and there is no deadline to catch. So it's not the end of the world if somebody sees the old way in an example and still uses that. Of course, we want to encourage the new API and the docs should reflect that. They should follow soonish, whether for 3.5.0 or 3.5.1 does not matter too much.

Having the new API is more important than advertizing it. If we delay this to 3.6, we force all users / downstream libraries that want to use it to a min. dependency of 3.6, which will delay adoption.

I'm happy if somebody could add a test or two. It should be straight forward to adapt an existing layout test / make an image comparision, but I have little bandwidth right now.

I added tests and changed the exception to use the_api wrapper.

anyone can merged on green, happy to merge the tests on just my review of@QuLogic 's work.