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Britain's telecoms regulator could authorize satellite-to-smartphone services in the UK before the end of this year.The Office of Communications, otherwise known as Ofcom, kicked off a consultation this week, starting with proposals on how it should license so-called direct-to-device satellite services to cover the UK, …

  1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 10:40 GMTanthonyhegedusSilver badge

    Impressive

    It's amazing that there's enough bandwidth for a video call, given the satellites' altitude of 500-700km and the paltry output of a smartphone. And of course the phone's orientation is not static, and the phone needs to receive from multiple satellites at once.

    So many technologies need to come into play - what an impressive feat!

    And not a an elongated muskrat in sight...!

    1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 11:40 GMTNatalie Gritpants Jr
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      The satellites from AST are the size of a basket ball court and divided into a hundred or so antenna arrays, each one is more than 1m^2 and can steer some number of beams very accurately. This is not an ordinary mobile phone mast, this is an AST mobile phone mast in space.

      1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 12:31 GMTHans Neeson-Bumpsadese
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        The satellites from AST are the size of a basket ball court

        Risk of a thumbs-down for use of non-standard units. Please express as Football Pitches or NanoWales

      2. Wednesday 26th March 2025 23:21 GMTJohn Brown (no body)Silver badge
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        I remember AST desktop PCs. Nothing special, just another low to mid range clone brand. I might still have an old AST 486 laptop somewhere in the house. IIRC it could (just barely) manage to play Doom :-). Any relation to these satellites?

      3. Thursday 27th March 2025 09:45 GMTUnknownUnknownSilver badge
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        Re: Impressive

        ….Several hundred km away.

        It’s less the target ‘space mast’, more the paltry source transceiver/antenna in your iPhone, Galaxy or Pixel etc.

        1. Thursday 27th March 2025 10:44 GMTjockmcthingiemibobb
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          Re: Impressive

          Radio link budget is improved by increasing gain (antenna size) at either end of the link.

          What The Reg should be asking is how many concurrent satellite calls can be made in a 10Km radius and whether these calls require line of sight to the satellite.

    2. Wednesday 26th March 2025 12:05 GMTAnonymous Coward
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      Re: Impressive

      And when the satellite battery stops working will someone be sent up to replace the satellite battery? Impressive Maintenance?

      1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 13:09 GMTrd232
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        No, but if the sun fails, someone will be sent to turn it off and on again

        1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 15:36 GMTDancesWithPoultryBronze badge
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          Bloody idiot.

          You should just wait for an eclipse.

      2. Wednesday 26th March 2025 15:38 GMTanthonyhegedusSilver badge
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        That reply is either so stupid that it deserves a downvote, or it's so loaded with satire that it deserves a pint

        1. Thursday 27th March 2025 09:05 GMTDancesWithPoultryBronze badge
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          > or it's so loaded with satire

          You must be new here.

      3. Sunday 30th March 2025 20:22 GMTbombastic bobSilver badge
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        very low altitude orbits tend to decay within a few years so they'll get replenished (and improved) regularly. This is the logic behind starlink at least, that and inexpensive launches (as compared to just a few years ago).

        /me wonders when Bezos can get his rockets to do the same thing SpaceX is doing... [zero chance that Boeing or any gummint program will be able to compete on price]

    3. Wednesday 26th March 2025 13:12 GMTrd232
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      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      This sounds like magic to me. I can't rule out all that sciency satellite stuff just being a smokescreen.

      1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 18:01 GMTIan JohnstonSilver badge
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        Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

        Dear old Arthur Cno-true-Scotsmanning more than a tad there.

    4. Thursday 27th March 2025 09:43 GMTUnknownUnknownSilver badge
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      Most suppliers can barely get some text messages to work, and in reality Starlink needs a big-ass antenna for anything meaningful throughout wise.

      We are still decades away from anything Star Trek like, unless there will be a USB C/Bluetooth mini antenna the size of a 20,000 mAh battery pack - or like the flip antenna on an Inmarsat IsatPhone. Current generation cell phones struggle to hit a mast within a few miles.

    5. Thursday 27th March 2025 12:43 GMTstreaky
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      It's like 1/3 the length of the UK but with line of sight - line of sight being _everything_. The distances aren't that big, it's really about if you have a constellation large enough to handle demand.

    6. Sunday 30th March 2025 20:16 GMTbombastic bobSilver badge
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      Actually,Starlink partnered up with T Mobile about a month ago, in beta until July.

      Still a good idea even if Elon did it first, am I right? (heh heh heh)

      If very low earth orbit satellites become the way to manage cell calls and cellular intarwebs, we can say 'buh-bye' to all of those expensive rural wired internet projects. win-win (unless you are a rural wired internet provider). we'll still need URBAN wires/fiber for low latency but rural and "at sea" DEFINITELY gets a better deal.

      But yeah O.P. had to get his "Musk rats" 'dig' in... [I fail to see why people are suddenly anti-Elon - E.D.S. I guess]

  2. Wednesday 26th March 2025 12:36 GMTTheMaskedManSilver badge

    Impressive it certainly is. And potentially very useful in emergency situations. But with it will come the loss of the last shreds of peace and quiet. No longer will we be able to switch our phone off for an hour and claim lack of signal. And the remote, quiet places will finally be overrun by vloggers and those that can't bear to be parted from the net for even a few minutes. Still, that's progress, eh

    1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 13:33 GMTDancesWithPoultryBronze badge
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      Clearly sir has never worked ever worked on call

      > No longer will we be able to switch our phone off for an hour and claim lack of signal.

      Pffft

      You and a work mate both forward your calls to each others number. Anybody calling either of you will get a network error message.

      1. Thursday 27th March 2025 14:51 GMTCaver_DaveSilver badge
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        Correct. Once took a group underground whose insurance company insisted that they carry a mobile with them at all times in case of emergency. OK, it was chucked in the Pelicase at the entrance, and got out again when we got back to the entrance.

        I have used a Hayphone when practicing with DCRO and they are surprisingly effective.

    2. Thursday 27th March 2025 12:36 GMTDavid HicklinSilver badge
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      And they have not said "How many ££££" yet

  3. Wednesday 26th March 2025 12:50 GMTMike 137Silver badge

    "Still, that's progress, eh"

    As will be the ubiquitous background noise pollution of wide band high frequency whine once all vehicles are electric, as opposed to the relatively ignorable (and easily filterable) typically sub-100 Hz rumble of ICE engines. The tyre noise (also in the 100 Hz range) will of course remain beneath the whine.

    1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 14:19 GMTPersonaSilver badge
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      Re: "Still, that's progress, eh"

      Electric cars are very quiet. The noise you are complaining about is probably the legally required audible warning system that operates at low speeds to warn pedestrians. This turns off as the car goes faster when the tyre and wind noise is enough for pedestrians to notice.

      1. Wednesday 26th March 2025 23:24 GMTJohn Brown (no body)Silver badge
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        Re: "Still, that's progress, eh"

        ...or maybe he's still young enough to notice and care about it while the rest of us grey-beards are blissfully unaware of the cacophony :-)

    2. Wednesday 26th March 2025 14:59 GMTFilippoSilver badge
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      Re: "Still, that's progress, eh"

      This takes the cake. I mean, I've heardso much insanity and/or lies over the last few years, but claiming that EV noise is more annoying than ICE noise is truly a special kind of WTF. It's a bit like hearing that ice is hotter than steam - you literally can't argue with that, unless you want to waste your time. Thanks, I'm going to hold on to this as an example of how the debate around EVs has been completely poisoned to the point where rational arguments are no longer useful.

    3. Thursday 27th March 2025 02:05 GMTIGotOutSilver badge
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      Re: "Still, that's progress, eh"

      "typically sub-100 Hz rumble of ICE engines."

      You really don't have a fucking clue what you are on about do you? Shut the fuck up and go help your mum wash the dishes or something.

  4. Wednesday 26th March 2025 23:30 GMTJohn Brown (no body)Silver badge

    relevant frequencies across the entire nation.

    "an existing mobile network operator (MNO) that is licensed to use the relevant frequencies across the entire nation."

    Shirley that all of the MNOs? Who runs a mobile network that DOESN'T cover the entire nation? (apart from the obvious localised "notspots")

    I can remember the days when one had to choose a mobile provider based on their coverage maps and accept that if you travelled a lot, there would be areas your provider did not yet cover, but these days, few people even consider coverage when choosing a service provider - and yes, I'm fully aware of notspots as I mentioned above, and each MNO has different coverage in different areas due to geography, buildings etc.

  5. Thursday 27th March 2025 12:03 GMTs. pam
    Facepalm

    Huzzah -- the Reading <-> Maidenhead blackhole

    Might be finally fixed as the operators & regulator don't get a flying fuck about fixing that black hole of mobile telephony!

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