Hello hello,

I would like to know if there is already a template for an object that could show cognates (pan-lingually), e.g. in the article forchary there would be a "cognates" box somewhere, perhaps near the "translations" box, and in that box there would be links to cognates ofchary, such ascare orkarg.

thanks--Dixfranke (talk)20:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cognates are usually listed in the etymology section of an entry. Seechary#Etymology for example. —Angr20:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We are the only modern dictionary that hasown#Etymology 3. Bogorm took it from Webster 1913. But MW3 and MWOnline don't follow MW1913. Does anyone?DCDuringTALK20:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My Latvian Etymological Dictionary cites this word as meaning "cliff, rock"; a quick search in the Gothic dictionaries at Lexikologs confirms that. However, the romanized formhallus is apparently not attested (hallu is attested, but the entry doesn't say what it means) -- it is not here at Wiktionary, and someone told me all Gothic forms from Ulfilas' bible (the only source for Gothic, right?) are listed here. How come this one isn't then? Is it an inflected form (in which case the LEV forgot to mention this fact)? Should an entry for the romanization be created (and perhaps a main entry for the Gothic script version)? --Pereru (talk)13:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not all we know of Gothic is from the bible, there's also the Skeireins which I think is some commentaries about the bible. All romanizations on Wiktionary come from[1], but those are literal romanizations of the words found in that text. So if a word only occurs in a certain inflected form then we will not have a romanization for its lemma form yet. I looked in Gerhard Köbler's Gothic dictionary, which lists all attestations for each word form, and it says that only the accusativehallu is attested, which is the form you found. Sohallus is just the nominative form that goes with it but it's not found in any texts. —CodeCat13:15, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really derived from Mandarin?This blog post suggests it comes from Cantonese gāp (急), which sounds more plausible.---> Tooironic (talk)12:02, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly the current derivation from Mandarin kuai-kuai or even Cantonese faai-faai seems very implausible. Merriam-Webster and AHD agree that the "chop" of "chop-chop" is the same as the "chop" ofchopstick, and the Online Etymology Dictionary derives that from Cantonesekap "urgent", which I assume is the same thing as急gāp. —Angr15:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the entry to reflect this — revert me if you know better. --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds}06:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Our entry says this is from Chinook Jargon; the only support I can find for that is the website of a company called Saltchuk. Dictionary.com derives it from entirely English roots.- -sche(discuss)05:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OED: "Chinook jargon, < salt adj.1 + chuck n.6". "Chuck" meaning a body of water.DTLHS (talk)16:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm not saying that's correct, but that was my source.DTLHS (talk)16:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, thanks for checking! I'll add the OED as a reference for the Chinook etymology, and add the English etymology with its references as another possibility.- -sche(discuss)18:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it seems I was just misreading (mis-cross-referencing) Dictionary.com's cornucopia of English dictionaries, the sense of "chuck" I now see they're actually referring to is given as a derivative of this word meaning "any body of water".- -sche(discuss)19:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help me in preparing the etymology template for Telugu wiktionary, which will work in Sanskrit, and English in the beginning. Later on we can expand it to other languages. Thanking you.Rajasekhar1961 (talk)13:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know how the wordnein came about? How closely related is it tono?

German Wiktionary claims it was originally a contraction ofnicht +ein"not one". --Liliana•09:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be from OHGni +ein? Or else how would the 'cht' disappear? --WikiTiki89 (talk)09:53, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Duden agrees it'sni +ein.Smurrayinchester (talk)10:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is closely related to, in fact, cognate with,no (=not any, none), as inI haveno money, being analogous to it in construct (both from the Ur-Germanic *ne ainą). Otherwise, whereno (=opposite of yes), it is only marginally related.Leasnam (talk)18:48, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From ni/nei + ein? Similar (and perhaps cognate) to the English formation "none", no + one!Etimo (talk)11:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems extremely ungrammatical in English... the similarity tolong time no see made me think that it might be from Chinese Pidgin English, as a calque of 不去. But could it be imitation CPE, or unrelated? I'd like it if someone could shed light on this. --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds}04:47, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldguess it originated as the opposite ofgo. Ex: "It's a go." "It's a no-go". --WikiTiki89 (talk)10:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If so, the rhyme is probably responsible for it not being "non-go"Chuck Entz (talk)19:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Calque? No way.DCDuringTALK17:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

naked

See anon comments atTalk:naked. (Note that the anon has already modifiednaked#Etymology in accordance with his/her views.)

One of the etymology dictionaries says that Proto-Slavic *rьtǫtь (and Polish [[rtęć]]) could be of Turkic or Arabic origin. Do you know any similar Turkish, Ottoman Turkish, Arabic or Persian word that could be an ancestor for this? Related to mercury or Mercury.Maro12:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please also see Russian "ртуть(rtutʹ)". I imported the etymology from a Wikipedia article, which mentioned "*rьtǫtь". --Anatoli^{(обсудить}/^вклад)12:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes what? :) I'm looking for a Turkic ancestor for these.Maro12:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant I was also interested in this :) --Anatoli^{(обсудить}/^вклад)13:28, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The words are a participle of Proto-Slavic *rьtǫtь 'to roll, to rotate', inherited from Proto-Indo-European. Vasmer mentions the theory of derivation from TurkishUtarit, Arabicعطارد(ˁuṭārid,“quicksilver?, planet Mercury”), but dismisses it on phonetic grounds. --Vahag (talk)15:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Vahag, so Turkic or Arabic origin was just a theory? What could I use as a reference? Do you have a link or is it in a book? The etymology of "ртуть(rtutʹ)" must be correct then. --Anatoli^{(обсудить}/^вклад)04:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link inртуть. --Vahag (talk)07:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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