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It is to make a template for all proto turkic pages. It is broken right now because I am trying to figure out how to add non turkic languages that got loanwords, it worked fine before that.
Here is the new classification system I made using the 2020 and 2022 papers below. Both papers had evidence for a kipchak-karluk family and for siberian turkic not being genetic. Above this one is the classic scheme.Zbutie3.14 (talk)04:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think we should make a(nother) request for a [trk-kak] (Karluk-Kipchak) family, and deprecate the [trk-kip] and [trk-kar] if this new classification is approved by the consensus. I'm in support for it, since that's what the academic papers suggest:
I also like this new South Siberian classification better than the older one, but Fuyu Kyrgyz is decidedly an offspring of Khakas, not a branch of its own from the "Khakas-Mrassu" subbranch (we may also need a code for that)
I think "Old Turkic" 'family' branch should be on top, that is to say, it would be neat if we ordered the subbranches (roughly) chronologically (Oghur - Arghu - Old Turkic - Oghuz - Kar-Kip. - Siberian).
Please open a new discussion for this, and link me there.
And almost forgot, Western Yugur IS an offspring of Old Uyghur. It is often given as a South Siberian language on its own, but that does not mean anything. Like Salar, W. Yugur was heavily influenced by and borrowed plentifully from Chinese and Tibetan languages. Salar can be easily traced back to Oghuz branch, no problem there, but the origins of W. Yugur is quite uncertain. All we know is that they used Uyghur script before Latin, show the sound shifts of Late Old Uyghur, and the public (at least the literate ones) had enough of an understanding of Old Uyghur that they kept Sūtras and religious works written from 10th century and added colophons for them. You might say the last one was only the case for a small minority of monks, but the texts I am alluding to were retrieved from public libraries and were edited by Yugurs as recent as the 19th century.
