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Hi, I noticed that the category got deleted since it was empty. It is very weird to list EVERYborrowed word as a derivation. Since you were doing Yilan Creole few months ago, would you kindly explain the logic? ThanksChihunglu83 (talk)13:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Chihunglu83: Simply put, since Yilan Creole is Japanese-creole with zero contact after its formation, they can't be borrowed. Instead it's "inherited" from Japanese. I'm not entirely sure if{{inh}} or{{der}} should be used but it seems the latter is more common (with only a few languages where the former is used), and the answer I got after asking on Discord is also the latter. –wpi (talk)13:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Wpi Ok, I see your point and I saw your Discord question. The issue is, with this kind of logic (that is, we don't use{{bor+}} at all in creole etymology because it is allinherited), we can't separate lemmas such askosi (borrowed and then clipped, in my opinion →{{der+}} ) and other borrowrings (if any), because it would be dumped into the same category. I checked some lemmas in Haitian Creole (a French-based Creole), they also use{{bor+}}/{{bor}} to deal with this. Not sure if just only me, but I find it a bit counterintuitive to have just derivations without aborrowed category.Chihunglu83 (talk)14:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Chihunglu83: I see why you think those should be separated, but IMO they all still fit under our existing definition of derived. I wonder if there is a better way to denote them.

Anyhow, the practice seems to be rather inconsistent, even within a language itself - I looked at several other creoles, including Tok Pisin, Nigerian Pidgin, and Louisianna Creole. Tok Pisin has 1k+ lemmas inderived from English, with ~200 "inherited" and 40 "borrowed" (which implies that around 1k entries use{{der}});similar proportions for Nigerian Pidgin; for Lousianna Creole, almost all ofderived from French lemmas are also in the "inherited" category.

Feel free to open a discussion (on BP or elsewhere) regarding which template is more appropriate for creoles. –wpi (talk)14:50, 23 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

I used some scripts to move everything inWT:RFM that had the word "Category" in the subject toWT:CLTR. There are still a few category-related items hiding inWT:RFM, though, either because they use "categories" or "CAT:" or something else, or just because they don't have any obvious indication in the subject that they're category-related.Benwing2 (talk)23:01, 10 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

My edition did not say眼 is a cognate with that Khmer and Sanskrit word. I just made a comparison and it isn't valid, is it ? The source is my research.Yang Deming (talk)08:37, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Yang Deming: There are a couple of issues with your edit: (a) a comparison with Proto-Mon-Khmer*()ŋaaj is perhaps admissible, given that it appears to be compatatible with Old Chinese眼(*[ŋ]ˤ<r>ə[n]ʔ) and Old Chinese眼(*ŋˤə[n]ʔ), but the comparison with Sanskrit is not warranted given the discrepancies in the number of syllables and Sanskrit word being formed from a root (and note that Chinese rarely borrows from Sanskrit except Buddhism terms); (b) it contradicts with the already given (and sourced) etymology linking Old Chinese眼(*[ŋ]ˤ<r>ə[n]ʔ) to the earlier Old Chinese眼(*ŋˤə[n]ʔ); (c) the formatting is wrong, with a wrong template ({{inh}}) and wrong language codevi used in the link to PMK and the lack of template when linking to Sanskrit.

Please readWT:EL andWT:ETYM.wpi (talk)15:39, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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You reverted my contribution at連 /连^[1].

@Justinrleung also did this. But actually I make a big change on this entry because I consider that this entry has too many suspicious defintion. They are never found in many digital dictionaries.^[2][3]. Some of them may be used inClassical Chinese^[4].

I have tried to request consensus , such asWT:RFVCJK, but no one answers me. Please help to improve that entry.HerrGutmannsWiki (talk)18:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)Reply