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Latest comment:2 months ago by Vuccala in topicHere I am

Boilerplates

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Check out my userpage for a more complete boilerplate.Vininn126 (talk)16:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Very cool, thank you! Note to self: referenceUser:Vininn126#Cheat_sheet when I update my userpage. – Vuccala ✿ 16:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Vininn126: Just as a reply to your edit summary onodwzorowywać; understood — though that's not where I found it (I don't yet use pl-wikt). It was a case of me genuinely needing to know what "odwzorowywane" meant, and not finding an entry here, so creating one based off a vague definition on sjp.pl, with the anticipation that you would quickly come along and correct it so I could learn exactly what the word really meant. Because I saw how quickly you correctedbulodrom after I made it :-). And yup Iam aware to only make entries for attested words. –Vuccala (talk)23:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Vuccala no worries, I've been there. Hopefully the changes I made help. I also changed the declension. Keep it up!Vininn126 (talk)02:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Welcome

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary!Vininn126 (talk)18:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

templates

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Sozologia had some real major issues, please check the changes I made.Vininn126 (talk)20:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the message and fixes, Vininn126! I try my best to follow the established style, then after hitting Publish Page I carefully watch the page for changes from more experienced users so I can learn what I got wrong. I'm starting to get it. – Vuccala ✿ 20:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

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What a cute lisek ;_; Look at this lovely piesek, it looks like a stoned rat :3CLICKShumkichi (talk)16:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ale fajny słodziak! Jak parówka w wodzie XD. Liski są moje ulubione zwierzęta, ale pieski, oczywiście, też lubię. –Vuccala ✿ 00:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

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These are mostly clear errors. Putting "alt form" is extremely misleading. Please slow down!Equinox01:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

I added them only if there's a significant number of attestations in the book search on Archive.org. How should I proceed? –Vuccala (talk)01:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Please discuss atWT:TR. You are potentially going to add a lot of errors. Errors can be easily found in a book search.Equinox01:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Okay thanks, got it. –Vuccala (talk)01:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Taxonomic names

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Not everyone agrees with the non-breaking spaces (or use of any other HTML), except in templates, but there hasn't been strong objection. Taxonomic names of rank higher than genus are not italicized, except for names of bacteria and viruses. Neither of these are critical. It is more important to avoid misspellings; use{{taxlink}} where applicable; and have some actual content to a definitions (eg, description, location info, relevance to humans), links to material in sister projects (WP, Wikispecies, and Commons), a good image (esp., one that explains something about the name) of{{rfi}}, etymology or{{rfe}}. More advanced considerations for taxonomic name entries themselves are Hypernyms and Hyponyms and links to external sources, such as{{R:Mammals}},{{R:POWO}},{{R:GRIN}}, etc. (SeeCategory:Taxonomic reference templates.) It is quite daunting to get it all in, but do what you can.

I find adding images to be quite entertaining. For example search for 'incategory:"Requests for images in English entries" hastemplate:"vern"' or 'incategory:"Requests for images in Translingual entries" hastemplate:"taxon"'.

Thanks for your efforts and interest. Don't hesitate to contact me about anything, but especially organism names.DCDuring (talk)16:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@DCDuring I wanna make sure I'm following the established style, so thank you very much for the help! And as for hypernyms, I just found yourCategory:Taxonomic_hypernym_templates so I'll be sure to use those. And I indeed enjoy finding good photos, I managed to find a particularly fun one forfoxhole.
I have two question:
  • when a species has multiple vernacular names, and we point the uncommon names to its most common name, is it better to use "{{synonym of}}" or a plain definition? (eg:Afghan fox vswhite fox)
  • when you said("and have some actual content to a definitions (eg, description, location info, relevance to humans)") should such information go into the definition of the binomial name, or the vernacular name?
Vuccala (talk)18:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DCDuring and thirdly, image captions can be uncapitalised and without a full stoplike this? I had the impression "Aculpeo fox." would've been preferred? –Vuccala (talk)20:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
I'm not entirely consistent myself and have changed my ideal over time.
I usually supplement the hypernyms templates with additional tax, eg, subfamily, tribe, and subtribe for those that templates whose last item is a family and suborder, infraorder, superfamily, etc for those templates whose last item is order.
I usually use{{synonym of}} and make sure that all vernacular names, even if they are "synonyms of" have one or more taxonomic names, adding etc. if there are more.
I try to add some substance to main entries for both taxonomic names and vernacular names. That is not always easy and remains a goal most often "honored in the breach". In principle one could add some kind ofcladisitic definition to any taxon that was aclade, even if there is no common characteristic (understandable by non-biologists) for members of the clade, which is the usual case for taxa above the rank of genus. For all taxonomic names above the rank of species, even if they are not clades, their hypernyms and some hyponyms characterize them pretty well. It is usually easier to give good definitions for species than for taxa of higher rank. Larger genera of plants, for example, can have species that take the form of vines, herbs, shrubs, and trees, can appear in multiple continents and ecological zones, and can have diverse multiple human uses or none at all.DCDuring (talk)00:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DCDuring Thank you. I'll take advantage of your statusas a mentor to ask another question now: when describing in a definition where a species is from, are there differences between these terms? (And if not, do you favor one over the others?)
  • endemic to
  • found in
  • native to
  • living in
Vuccala (talk)11:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the query. I hadn't really given the matter much thought.
"Endemic to" and "native to" are basically synonymous. "Native to" has the advantage of not requiring most people to look it up. "Living in" implies that the organism is not extinct. "Found in" is more inclusive, but is in the past tense. Both of these latter terms allow for recent introduction (usually by humans and their technologies) into the places where the organisms are now found. It is quite possible and often desirable to have both "endemic/native" and "living/found" in the same definition.
Other terms are "invasive in/introduced to" other locations.DCDuring (talk)14:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Jamaican Creole

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Hi. Thanks for being involved in adding Jamaican lemmas :) I really appreciate it!Tashi (talk)20:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Tashi Thank you for noticing! I've been interested for a long time in Jamaica's language (and Creole grammar in general), and by adding Wiktionary entries for JAM words as I learn them it helps me to memorize them, and hopefully also helps others. By the way: do you know any JAM corpora/books besidesDi Jamiekan Nyuu Testiment that can be useful for finding attestations? --Vuccala(talk)22:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
There are some dictionaries but due to the lack of standardization of spelling, some of them use English spelling which is confusing. I don't think there's a corpora especially for Jamaican. There might be something for Jamaican English but it's something else that's why I useDi Jamiekan Nyuu Testiment as it has standardized spelling.Tashi (talk)22:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Tashi Got it, thanks. I've since also found thatthe JWs have on their site a large number of articles in JAM with accompanying audio, so that's useful.
Btw I've found what might be an error inTemplate:jam-noun: I don't think it should list that secondary plural form (-s dem) if the word already ends in s (e.g.faks), right? Can't edit it myself since I don't know how to code templates.Vuccala(talk)21:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh wow that JWs site is a great find! Thanks! You're probably right about the -s. I didn't make the code but I'll try and look at it. If I fail, I'll ask aroundTashi (talk)22:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

circumvert

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You say that the OED has a specific definition, but you do not say what it is. Since the OED is hidden behind a paywall, it would be good if you could tell me what that specific definition is.Kiwima (talk)22:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiwima "To turn round or about" as is visible on[1] even when not logged in. The omission was intentional because I don't think we're allowed to copy-paste from the OED, but are allowed to provide a link to it?Vuccala(talk)23:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You can always use the OED as a reference ({{R:OED2}},{{R:OED}}). Otherwise, if you find a quote to back the sense you added then you could copy the OED definition (and add that quote beneath the sense!) without sourcing OED as a reference, possibly tweaking the wording a bit if possible in that case.Inqilābī13:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
By the way, I noticed OED giving an abridged preview of some of its dictionary contents is a new thing, as far as I can tell.Inqilābī13:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't want an indefinite block

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Pls help me. I am just free from my block. I dont wanna get an indefinite block like I got on English Wikipedia. What to do? Where to contribute?GB007 (talk)14:56, 4 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Gamerboykarl: The purpose of a temporary block is to quickly stop a user who's making bad edits, and to give them some time to learn what they did incorrectly. Blocks are usually given to users who make edits containing mistakes faster than the limited number of admins (who have to doublecheck all new users' edits) can keep up with.
My advice is to slow down. Make 5 edits, then watch your contributions page for the rest of the day to see if an admin had to fix anything you've done. (You can tell if someone edited after you if there's no(current) next to your edit). If after a day, no one had to fix up anything, then it means your edits were good. But if someone did have to fix your edit, then check what they changed so you can learn what you did wrong. Then, you can do another 5 edits.
Adding example sentences can actually be tricky, because a word usually has multiple subtly different senses, and it can be easy to mistake which sense is which. And the main reason we have example sentences in the first place is to correctly demonstrate these different senses, so it's very important to make sure all example sentences are absolutely correct.
If you want to contribute in a way that's helpful and isn't likely to result in mistakes, I would recommend looking for and adding pictures to pages. Instructions for how to do that is found here:Wiktionary:Images. If that sounds like something you'd like to do, you can find pictures by searchingCommons or by doing a web image search like this example:dhole site:wikimedia.org.Vuccala(talk)20:08, 4 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the advice. I will go over it. And most importantly I'll slow downGB007 (talk)05:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Here I am

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I am V0lveStarc.I am basically Gamerboykarl through the laptop.I tried to upload an image but it is not working. What should I doV0olveStarc56 (talk)05:49, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Dont mind him. He anyways got logged out. How can you create images through a kindle?GB007 (talk)05:59, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Gamerboykarl: For example, if you want to add this image from Wikimedia Commons to a word:Commons:File:Dhole(Asiatic wild dog).jpg then directly under the ==English== section you'd add this line: [[File:Dhole(Asiatic wild dog).jpg|thumb|A '''dhole'''.]]. I've never used a Kindle, so I don't know what special difficulties editing from one may entail. It's easiest to contribute from a desktop or laptop computer though.
And by the way, if you're blocked, don't make a new account, because admins can see what your IP is, and they'll extend your existing block for block evasion. There's no rush to reply, I'll still be here a month from now if you have further questions.Vuccala(talk)19:50, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Also

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Why am I still not an extended confirmed user?GB007 (talk)07:05, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

I have over 500 editsGB007 (talk)07:05, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Gamerboykarl: Wiktionary is different from Wikipedia, we have an entirely different set of user rights here. Check outSpecial:ListGroupRights to see that list. Our closest equivalent to Wikipedia's "extended confirmed user" is "autopatroller", and that isn't usually granted until around 3000-10000 edits. You need to demonstrate a clear understanding of how Wiktionary works and have a long history of perfect edits before getting it. But you shouldn't worry too much about that: remember, Wikimedia projects aren't a game where the goal is to collect user rights. See:Wikipedia:Hat collecting.Vuccala(talk)16:18, 5 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
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