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@Toniher,AKeen,Tomclarke,Acomas,Elizium23,Liam987,Rwxrwxrwx,Culex,Carlstak,AlanWCollins, andEloi Montes: Pinging all active editors who have registered interest in the project. I think there's a great scope for the project here, if anyone wants to join me and start discussing a to-do list, starting at historical biographies and the current politics of Catalonia could make this project semi-active (or even active) again - I think these may be some of the more popular Catalan-related areas of coverage, and re-activating the project gives editors looking for info/help on these topics a defined area on WP that can support them! Let me know (comment below) if you're still interested in the WikiProject, and we'll take that inactive banner off :)Kingsif (talk)15:27, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I'll try to take some time these days to take a look atUser:PereBot/1000/missing to start with. Still a lot of articles are missing.Culex (talk)19:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I apologise for my absence and delayed response to this call. Yes, I am interested in helping. Let me know how we can get started! --Tomclarke (talk)14:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tomclarke: - mostly working through the missing articles list for now! Thanks for the response, no worriesKingsif (talk)16:40, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, if you speak Occitan, or know it well enough to proofread a short excerpt, can you please have a look atthis edit atJudaeo-Spanish? This resulted in the following text, claiming to be in Occitan:

Lo judeocastelhan es la lenga parlada pels jusieus sefarditas expulsats d’Espanha en 1492. Es una lenga venent del castelhan que 150 000 personas la parlan dins de comunautats en Israèl, Turquia, èx-Iogoslavia, Grècia, Marròc, Malhòrca, las Americas, entre fòrça autres luòcs.

If you can comment on this text excerpt atTalk:Judaeo-Spanish, or simply make any needed adjustments directly to the article, that would be great.Mathglot (talk)02:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: I do not speak or read Occitan, but that is definitely able to be read in Catalan. Which probably helps very little. Occitan is uncommon enough that the only dictionary I can find is from the Catalan government... I'm not sure if anyone here can help or suggest any resources you could find.Kingsif (talk)02:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif:, thanks. Yes, I know enough Catalan to be aware of that as well. But that isn't the problem; the problem is whether that is proper Occitan. The article has the excerpt in Catalan, as well as in seven other languages (seethis table). Pingingnative speakersLembeye andAussie Oc, and fluent speakersJfblanc andCapsot for assistance. P.S. Kingsif, if you know Asturian, Galician, or Mozarabic, those snippets could use a proofreader as well.Mathglot (talk)03:11, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: Ah, now I see. And the Galician looks good to me.Kingsif (talk)03:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: The text in Occitan is correct. Regards, --—J. F. B.^{(me´n parlar)}10:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jfblanc: thanks!Mathglot (talk)01:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: I am Occitan speaker from Provençal dialect. I can assure you this is Occitan, Lengadocian dialect ("pels" being merging of "per los", "del" meaning "de lo" typical from Montpelhièr / Montpellier for example where in Provence it would have been "per lei" and "dau").Aussie Oc (talk)07:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aussie Oc:, Thanks!Mathglot (talk)10:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a contributor toWomen in Red, I thought I'd drop some Catalan-language-related women bios that need translating here!Kingsif (talk)04:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just readsome of this article on Illa Sonora, awebsite collecting information on just about every band and song pertaining to Mallorca. It seems notable enough for an article, but does anyone knows anything more to better judge that?Kingsif (talk)01:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to participate with the debate on style advice, please do so here: [[1]] ping me when responding, gràcies!TheKalootalk14:14, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello@TheKaloo,Avocado J,Kingsif,Eloi Montes,AlanWCollins,Carlstak,Culex,Rwxrwxrwx,Liam987,Elizium23,Alexandrecomas,Tomclarke,AKeen, andToniher: I've been working on a new home page for this WikiProject over in my draft space, my main goal being to make it all more coherent and lovely. I'm not making any radical changes and will be covering most of the content already onWikiProject Catalan-speaking countries. I'd welcome any feedback you may have down below. The draft is located atUser:Bernat Tortajada/sandbox/WP:CATALAN. Bear in mind that it's still a work in progress!Bernat (talk)22:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great job, Bernat ! For the moment, I just made two minor corrections on your draft.Culex (talk)00:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bernat, thank you! I am not very active at the moment, but I saw the major edits and I'm happy about them. Good Job!Jxlarb (Talk to me)14:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links tounreliable sources andpredatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

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Hello all. I recently made an edit to the article aboutLluís Companys, changing the lead from describing him as a "Spanish politician from Catalonia" to simply "Catalan politician".[2] However, this edit was reverted by an IP user, who stated they were "applying consensus".[3] So I thought I'd ask if/where/when consensus was formed on the issue of demonyms in the lead, specifically regarding "Catalan" vs "from Catalonia".

Personally I didn't think anything of the edit, given Companys was first-and-foremost a Catalan politician, not a Spanish politician that happened to be from Catalonia. But I thought I'd bring this up here, both in order to avoid a potential edit war and as it presents a possible inconsistency with other article leads about Catalan persons. Regards. --Grnrchst (talk)11:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The closest that I know of consensus for that would be when the Spain demonymcategories were almost all changed from e.g. Murcian/Galician/Catalan X to Spanish X from Murcia/Galicia/Catalonia. That change was based on loose consensus that saw many objections to it being applied to Basque and Catalan people, but only Basque was not changed. I personally found it ridiculous that the category "Exiled Catalan politicians" was also changed, becoming "Exiled Spanish politicians from Catalonia", which is not only a ridiculous description but also ignores the point.

To really answer your question, there is no consensus for the IP to have reverted you. The policy on the matter isWP:NATIONALITY, which is generally interpreted to allow for ethnic and regional-specific demonyms where this is important. As you say, in the case of Companys his political career was entirely Catalonia, especially during a period of much more separation from Spain, and there is no reason not to say that.Kingsif (talk)23:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A user has been repeteadly removing content from the article stating that it was bias. He also added other content at first without adding sources but it was from unrelated entities or entities stating the same exact things as SCC, in the end no new content or views. We have maintained a conversation but he insists in that the content he wants to remove is biased. The page is now locked and with the changes reverted prior to his edits until March 28. As I understand it, he is threatening to continue removing that content. Can't someone give some insight? He says that stating in the article that SCC says the same as Spanish nationalists regarding an alleged indoctrination in Catalonia school model is bias. For that sentence a reliable source is used to state that SCC denounces indoctrination into Catalan nationalism in Catalonia's school model[4] and another reliable source which states that Spanish nationalism attacks the Catalan school model saying that it is being used to foster separatist sentiments[5]. The user says that stating SCC agrees with Spanish nationalists in that regard is bias.95.17.250.138 (talk)15:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I was readingAndorra's page when I've noticed this statement:

"The Catalan Pyrenees were embryonic of theCatalan language at the end of the 11th century. Andorra was influenced by this language, which was adopted locally decades before it expanded to the rest of the Crown of Aragon" followed by this reference:^[1].

Now, I've briefly read the reference but can't find a direct mention of Andorra actually adopting the language before the rest of the Crown of Aragon, am I missing some lines or does the source actually lack reference? If it is the latter case, does anyone know wheter the the statement is true at all? Thank you!Sacesss (talk)09:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion atTalk:Catalonia#Lead whether the phrase

is a historical European nation, currently administered as an autonomous community of Spain

should be used as the first sentence atCatalonia. ThanksDankJae11:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello WikiProject Catalan-speaking countries:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-longGood Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the themeAround the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk)09:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been involved with a few disputes with differences of opinion on whether Catalan or Spanish names should be employed in articles:Empuries,Third siege of Girona (see those Talk pages), most recently an editor revised the articleRamon Casas to state he was Spanish, rather than Catalan (I changed it back; Ramon has no accent in Catalan, whereas it does in Spanish; the pronunciations between the two languages are surprisingly different, another possible point of contention.). It seems some articles have an ongoing and annoying back and forth, at a low level, changing between Spanish and Catalan place names.I contemplate writing an essay on the issue, to put down and record the arguments I've experienced and state a general opinion on the use of the languages. I post here for comment, mostly thinking I should do so before beginning the project. Have you all run across this issue as well? I tend to think that articles pertaining to Catalonia should use Catalan names, with the article also giving the Spanish spelling as an aside - though it seems the Spanish equivalent may be getting removed. What are you opinions? Do you think this is opening a can of worms, likely to incite people (how badly?)? I get the impression that sometimes such edits are made in bad faith, wrapping in the political tensions experienced and ongoing between Catalonia and Spain (and other less-than-constructive behaviors). There is perhaps some wisdom to be had inWP:ENGVAR: articles that start in British or American English remain in that form, although that guidance is imperfectly applied in Spanish/Catalan disputes seems to me. I look forward to your thoughts! The essay might beWikipedia:Catalonian articles: Catalan or Spanish names and place names?, or something better. I don't think there is a formal process or impediment to creating such an essay - one just does it.Bdushaw (talk)01:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's certainly quite a bit of bad-faith political editing on the topic, but there are also some (American?) people with no awareness of the issues who are familiar with a particular spelling and try to enforce that. Responding to and correcting both can be fairly simple: generally, on English Wikipedia, either the official English name (i.e.Seville instead of Sevilla), or the most common in English sources (i.e.Zaragoza instead of Saragossa) where there isn't one, should be used as the primary name. In lack of anything decisive in English, thelocal name should be used. If something is Catalan, the Catalan name should be used.

It is then generally a discussion or (more likely given the lack of real discussion people want to have on the matter:) being guided by sources to see how frequent an alternative name is used and if it would be appropriate to mention that in the first sentence. This can also apply to people's names IMHO: in the case ofAlexia Putellas, for example, the article is titled after the most common rendering of her name in English (because English Wikipedia), but in the first instance is written as in Catalan as this is how the subject writes it (even in Spanish), this is the spelling that Spanish sports sources prioritise, and this appears to be how her name is officially registered.Kingsif (talk)02:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Off topic: I took a look at your user page. See:San Tomé, Venezuela...my (lost) home town. I recently learned that a large community of Catalan exiles formed in Venezuela during the Franco years.Bdushaw (talk)23:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]

There is presently an RfC on whetherRamon Casas should be labeled a Catalan or Spanish artist, an issue identical to that heavily discussed above.Talk:Ramon Casas#Request for Comment: Subject lead label Catalan or Spanish? A strange, pervasive, ongoing, and obviously an importation of Spanish political battles to Wikipedia, issue, IMO.Bdushaw (talk)11:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've raised this issue on the Manual of Biographies Talk page:Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#The_Catalan/Spanish_label_again_in_Catalan-related_biographies In researching the question, the dispute is everywhere, with exhaustive, excessive discussions across multiple pages. There is nothing new to be argued. It is clear that across Wikipedia, Catalan-related biographies will continue to experience the Catalan/Spanish edit warring; to me a number of people are acting disingenuously. To step toward resolving the question more reliably, in the Biographies Talk page I raised the strategy of asking for formal "Requests for Comment"s on several representative biography Talk pages to build up a body of precedence.I am surprised that this page never had an RfC on the question! There is no purpose in continuing these circular, endless, redundant discussions across Wikiland.I noted that the revert warring on this page still continues up to recent days! There was previously an RfC on the Biographies Talk page:Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography/2018_archive#RfC_on_use_of_Spanish_regional_identity_in_biography_leads.Bdushaw (talk)11:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PS On the essay project I mentioned above; I've abandoned the idea. I decided that it would be just a lightening rod for trouble. And that's a sad state of affairs.Bdushaw (talk)11:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One more available RfC:Talk:Carles_Puigdemont/Archive_5#RFC_on_nationalityBdushaw (talk)11:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Honestly, I think the lack of an RfC atthis WikiProject is because... it's the Catalan language project, it would surely be a foregone conclusion. But the common interpretation of the 2018 RfC is strong enough to uphold. There will always be people trying to remove mentions of Catalan, as you say, importing disingenuous Spain politicking - that's not something we can stop. We can only correct it afterwards, and if someone (especially self-identifying) is culturally Catalan, we cite the 2018 consensus and include 'Catalan'.Kingsif (talk)20:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify and apologize...I made a mistake in the text above when I wrote "this page" - I was trying to do too much at one time and copied this text from another Talk page (Antoni Gaudí, I think); I was sloppy :( . I still think that having the 2018 Biography RfC together with a few others would make a stronger case. Basically to fend off the inevitable contradictions and excessive arguing. The discussions on the Gaudí page go on forever (2021,2022 and before)...let's not do that any more! Ideally, a standard statement could be developed, recounting the multiple RfCs, that could be used as a boilerplate for any biographical article's Talk page (Copy-paste). I am just trying to put an end to all the reversions and/or excessive arguing (I know, "good luck with that" :) ) So far, there is the 2018 Biography RfC guidance, the C. Puigdemont RfC, and perhaps eventually the R. Casas RfC. One more, perhaps for a Catalan writer?Bdushaw (talk)23:20, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update - the RfC regardingRamon Casas nationality has at last been closed, with the obvious result that he should be labeled Catalan. There is now quite a disparate consensus regarding the use of the nationality. I am distracted just now working onXavier Cugat (an "American"), but a concise statement should be pulled together with the various RfCs, etc. that can be used and cited for any obviously Catalan biography. I suggest also an internal, hidden comment next to the label warning prospective editors that a consensus has been established for the use of "Catalan" as a label. I also have noted that the 3 revert rule does not apply when one reverts to re-establish consensus...we don't want to, nor do we have to, have an RfC on the question for each and every Catalan biography! But the summary statement has to be clear, substantive, and compelling.Bdushaw (talk)18:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a trial run, I've reverted (again) the articleIsidre Nonell to describe him as a "Catalan artist from Spain". I've added a hopefully careful statement of the consensus on the issue in the talk page, noted this consensus in my edit summary, and placed a hidden comment next to the label in the article warning against further reversions. These seem to me to be elements necessary to enforce this consensus. Happy to hear suggestions for refinement (or different approach) to this strategy. I'll watch the page and revert fearlessly. I am also prepared to paste the usual warning against reversion on user talk pages. We'll see how it goes. It was my hope that others would go forth and re-Catalan biography labels in a similar fashion; a system in place to deal with the problem.Bdushaw (talk)22:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bdushaw, I think you'll be pleased: I've summarised discussion overviews and previous RfC findings intothis advice essay. Comments welcome.Kingsif (talk)00:53, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A good first start! I know how difficult such essays are. I've made a few comments on the essay talk page.Bdushaw (talk)02:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Backed up by a number of RfCs and extensive discussions, I've changed/supported the following biographies to indicate a primary "Catalan" identity:Ramon Casas,Isidre Nonell,Pablo Casals,Joan Miró,Josep Tarradellas, andOriol Junqueras. (I've also greatly developedXavier Cugat, but, in the end, decided he was primarily "American", a moot example) These changes were supported by a boilerplate, substantive statement given on the article Talk page citing the several RfC's, extensive discussions, and an Administrator's incident report. They seem to be holding, I am monitoring for changes. The gray area with this system is that editors must have a look at an article and make an assessment if the subject is best identified as "Catalan" or not; this may be subjective. Those in the above list are obvious (IMO), but a subject likeSalvador Dalí may not be (insofar as I know of Dalí; strange character). That's about as far as I would like to go with this - I noted the injustice and bad, long-standing, politically-inspired writing in abusing the labels (and other editors), and this seems to be a solution. Anyone who runs across this problem with other articles can use this approach as a solution - copy/past the substantive statement to the Talk page (there are a lot of other articles with this issue); a halt to the endless, low-level revert wars. One must also beware of bots archiving/disappearing the statement, so preserve it from archiving. This statement represents a consensus, Wikipedia-wide - the 3-revert-rule does not apply in enforcing a consensus. I will revert mercilessly, unless a new, objective, substantive argument is offered to the contrary on any particular article.Bdushaw (talk)01:46, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirectArroz Espanol has been listed atredirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets theredirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect atWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 13 § Arroz Espanol until a consensus is reached.Note:Arroz Español also being discussed. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk21:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please add reliable sources to this article. You might be able to translate the Catalan article.Bearian (talk)17:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:Castañada#Requested move 13 October 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.TarnishedPath^talk09:09, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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