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Conventions for the groupings of constants' integers?

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TheMathematical constants are uniformly presented integers in groups of five,Golden ratio is presented in groups of three, and theCopeland-Erdős constant infinitely without spaces. Is this an artifact of citation faithfulness, or is there a convention of conventions (so to speak)?kencf0618 (talk)01:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PerMOS:DIGITS "digits are grouped both sides of the decimal point" ... "digits are generally grouped into threes". So if you find them grouped in other ways, I think they should be regrouped to this consistent style. —David Eppstein (talk)01:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How should formulae be displayed in lede to appear correctly in Navigation popup?

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If including formulae in the lede that must appear innavigation popups, one should use raw HTML,but my question is: can one use LaTeX using<math>...</math> or not?

Is it correct to make this change then?

The leadshould,asmuchaspossible,beaccessible toageneral reader,so specialized terminology and symbolsshouldbeavoided.Formulas should appear in the first paragraph only if necessary,sincetheywill not be displayedinthepreviewthatpopsupwhenhoveringoveralink.Forhavingformulaedisplayedwhenhovering,theymustbewritten in rawhtml(withouttemplates <span>{{</span>[[Template:var|var]]<span>}}</span> or <span>{{</span>[[Template:math|math]]<spanclass="nowrap">}}</span>),orinLaTeX(inside<math>...</math>).In thelattercasetheLaTeXsourceisdisplayedwithoutthetags<math>and</math>.
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The leadshouldbeas[[Wikipedia:ManualofStyle/Accessibility|accessible]]aspossible tothe reader,minimizing specialized terminology and symbols.Formulas should appear in the first paragraph only if necessary,becausetheymay not be displayedcorrectlyinlink-hoverpreviews(e.g.,[[mw:PGPRVW|PagePreviews]]or[[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigationpopups|Navigationpopups]]).Ifyouneedformulaetodisplaywithinanavigationpopup,writethem in rawHTML(byavoidingthe <span>{{</span>[[Template:var|var]]<span>}}</span> or <span>{{</span>[[Template:math|math]]<spanclass="nowrap">}}</span>templates),orbyusing[[LaTeX]]inside the<codeclass="nowrap"style=""><math>...</math></code>tag.

waddie96 ★ (talk)15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this is related:T239357?waddie96 ★ (talk)15:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is not correct. For a start, the sentence about being "accessible to a general reader" is an issue forWP:TECHNICAL, not forWikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility. It is about the level of writing, not about technical formatting issues. Speaking of level of writing, "the preview that pops up when hovering over a link" is more accessible than "link-hover previews (e.g.,Page Previews orNavigation popups)". —David Eppstein (talk)17:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted to the original. But more explanation would be appreciated.waddie96 ★ (talk)17:21, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dots / ellipsis in math formulas

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I'm surprised that1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ⋯ (using centered dots) was moved to1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... (dots no longer centered) whileHelp:Displaying a formula#Larger expressions suggests in examples that the correct typography is to use centered dots. So, what's the recommendation? —Vincent Lefèvre (talk)12:35, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The move was motivated because the title used a centered ellipsis (a single character)instead of three dots. I suggest to request a move for replacing dots with centered dots (I did the change in the text).D.Lazard (talk)14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably because MOS says not to use the unicode ellipsis character for lowered dots and someone got it into their head that this meant a blanket prohibition on any other kind of ellipsis. —David Eppstein (talk)17:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They do not appear centred on my device (Firefox on Android). They look identical to a normal ellipsis so I didn't know it was different. Since I was apparently wrong in thinking this was an uncontroversial move, it ought to be reversed.Hairy Dude (talk)18:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I moved it back. —David Eppstein (talk)19:35, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks.@Hairy Dude: With Firefox on Android on my Samsung Galaxy (Firefox Beta 135.0b8), they appear centered as expected (both with the mobile site and the desktop site); you may have unusual settings. —Vincent Lefèvre (talk)21:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Red link detected!

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I saw ared link while reading this.31.45.47.88 (talk)05:47, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a duplicate paragraph.
Same, but in HTML-5 and mathand{\displaystyle and}.31.45.47.88 (talk)06:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is now blue (CLOSED!)31.45.47.88 (talk)16:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nomenclature for field

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Shouldn't the article state that Wikipedia uses the modern nomenclature where fields are assumed to be commutative and uses "division ring" for the more general case, and give guidance on whther to avoid "skew field" and "sfield"? --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk)20:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a sectionDivision rings inField. Nevertheless, I added "skew field" in the hatnote.D.Lazard (talk)21:29, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I was addressing the guidelines in MOS. Wouldn't it be appropriate to link toField (mathematics) andDivision ring as giving the nomenclature to be used? --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk)12:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I understand, section§ Terminology conventions is intended for making Wikipeida homogeneous in the cases where different conventions are common outside Wikipedia, and disputes occur frequently between editors who disagree on the convention to be used. Presently, it is no more common to use "field" instead of "division algebra", and disagreements about the convention to use are unlikely. The only problem is to avoid confusion for the (rare, I suppose) readers who are accustomed to the older terminology. This is not a subject for the manual of style, and the edits done onField (mathematics) solve the problem completely, in my opinion,D.Lazard (talk)14:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semidirect product bar notation

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I see, as a mathematical notational convention,The bar notation is discouraged because it is not supported by all browsers followed by a suggestion to use the deprecatedTemplate:Unicode which seems to exist to fix (long-EOLed) Windows XP. Is this still an active concern?Sesquilinear (talk)17:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Based onmw:Compatibility#Browsers the only browser from before the depreciation that isn't in the "you're on your own, buddy" category is the Android WebView which I'm pretty sure did not have any Unicode issues like that. So I don't think it makes sense to have this in the MoS.Sesquilinear (talk)18:51, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also the part about using numeric unicode escapes rather than the character itself makes no sense now. —David Eppstein (talk)19:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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