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Travis Bowen (edit |talk |history |protect |delete |links |watch |logs |views) – (View AfD |edits since nomination)

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I could not findWP:SIGCOV to establishWP:GNG. The best I could find were interviews he had with Urban Pitch. However, there is a possibility for sources from Albania, North Macedonia, and Spain as he played in those three countries that I was unable to locate.Raskuly (talk)05:05, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in thedeletion sorting lists for the following topics:Sportspeople,Football,Albania,North Macedonia,Spain,Arizona,California,Michigan, andOregon.Raskuly (talk)05:05, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included inWikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.GiantSnowman15:02, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me.GiantSnowman15:07, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: NoWP:SIGCOV so failsWP:GNG. -UtherSRG(talk)15:20, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No evidence ofWP:SIGCOV. FailsWP:GNG.Demt1298 (talk)03:14, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I expanded the article from a sub and found some sources to help qualify it forWP:GNG. Sources to help to establish notability arethis,this,this,this,this, Curley, Joe (27 May 2012). "Fusion Dominate Seahorses before game with Chivas". Ventura County Star - which does in-depth about the player, and "Oxnard bios - Travis Bowen". Ventura County Star - summarizes his season. Not to mention, numerous other secondary sources routinely mention him.Shotgun pete (talk)21:58, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I can't read much of source 1, but it does not appear to be about Bowen specifically, but rather Detroit City players as a whole. Source 2 is not independent of the subject as it is a student newspaper for the school he works at. Source 3 is a routine transfer announcement and not entirely about Bowen. Source 4 and 5 are primarily about Rafa Melo and the mention of Bowen does not go further than saying they were giving him a trial. I'm not sure where to read the Ventura County Star sources.Raskuly (talk)05:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the sources presented above?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,CycloneYoris^talk!01:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep -@GiantSnowman:,@UtherSRG:,@Demt1298:, Per above. Has sources and fully professional experience. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks,Das osmnezz (talk)11:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Which of the sources above are SIGCOV? I agree with Raskuly's analysis above, although no issues from me re:student paper. Also professional experience totally irrelevant to notability.GiantSnowman11:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Again, this goes back to theAlec Díaz article, which Raskuly nominated for deletion. The sources that saved the article from deletion were theselink,link,link,link,link,link. The ones provided for this article are very similar in nature to the ones used in the Diaz article. Yet there were no objections, and the Diaz article was allowed to pass as notable. How is that considered fair when the Travis Bowen article has been improved and has more independent, reliable, secondary sources than the Diaz article? The Diaz article contains more primary sources than secondary sources. Not to mention it has received basically the same amount of coverage. Also, offline sources (WP:SOURCEACCESS) are also acceptable and should not be dismissed because some people don't have access to them.Shotgun pete (talk)14:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not dismissing them which is why I didn't cast judgement on them. Where can I read it? I think the first four Díaz links are better than Bowen's 1-5 sources.Raskuly (talk)15:27, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That doesn't mean that offline sources should be ignored or considered invalid. The first source used in the Diaz articlelink is a routine match summary with Diaz not even being the sole focus of the story. While in the Travis Bowen article, there are two similar sources,

  Curley, Joe (10 October 2012). "Oxnard shuts out rival".Ventura County Star. pp. 5C. - Where Bowen records two goals against Oxnard College rivals Moorpark.

  Curley, Joe (18 November 2012). "Oxnard men upset at home".Ventura County Star. pp. 5C. - The college team is defeated in the playoff quarterfinal, where Bowen is mentioned several times.

  Now, the second source used in Diaz's articlelink is considered by some editors to be a routine transfer announcement. Why is that source considered better than the Urban Pitch one used in Bowen's article?

  The third Diaz sourcelink is similar to "Oxnard bios - Travis Bowen".Ventura County Star. 30 December 2012. pp. 4C, which summarizes his successful season, and there is a second one named "Oxnard's Bowen named soccer player of the year".Ventura County Star. 6 January 2013. pp. 5C, a much shorter one that still highlights his achievement.

  The final Diaz sourcelink is a national team callup, where he is not even the sole focus of the article. Not much different thanthis one, andthis one.

  I fail to see how the sources used in the Diaz one are that vastly superior to qualify forWP:SIGCOV while the ones used in the Bowen article are not.Shotgun pete (talk)23:30, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Again, I'm not dismissing, ignoring, or invalidating theVentura County Star sources. Whatever terminology you decide to use, I'm not doing that. I just wanted to read them. I'll just take your word for it about the description of these sources and change my assessment tokeep.Raskuly (talk)00:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:,@UtherSRG:,@Demt1298:, see above. Thanks,Das osmnezz (talk)08:41, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, which of those aresignificant coverage??? The 10 October 2012 looks to be a match report, for example.GiantSnowman11:47, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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