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The result wasmerge‎ toEdward Snowden#Europe.(non-admin closure) — Benison(Beni · talk)17:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lack of notabilityRevirvlkodlaku (talk)13:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in thelist of Computing-related deletion discussions.Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)}14:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in thelist of Europe-related deletion discussions.WCQuidditch☎✎19:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Seeing that this is a second nomination, a bit more in the nom. might have been helpful. I don't think there is a Schengen Cloud, nor ever really was. European countries do make certain requirements on the transit and storage of European data, that prevents processing in the U.S. in many cases, but the US companies offering cloud services have adapted to this by providing guaranties that data is not transited or processed outside of Europe. There is no parallel cloud service. Companies merely adapted to the political and legal reality. So, on that basis, I do not think there is an article here. It might be a useful footnote in another article. Having said that, some editors at the last AfD felt there were the sources for something.Revirvlkodlaku What is your analysis of the sources in the article? And is there a redirect/merge target available?Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)19:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The article is sourced and no arguments have been brought up why the sourcing is insufficient.Cortador (talk)22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  And what sources, precisely, do you think establish notability? Not all sources establish notability, perWP: SIGCOV.HyperAccelerated (talk)22:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Ask the nominator. Doing a BEFORE is their job.Cortador (talk)16:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That doesn't answer my question. I asked what sourcesyou think establish notability. Whether you think the nominator did a BEFORE is totally irrelevant to what I'm asking.You are the one who issued a Keep vote, not them.HyperAccelerated (talk)22:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,✗plicit14:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge toEdward Snowden#Europe. There are some sources that speak about this. For instanceThe Politics of data Transfer (2017) andSustainability in a Digital World (2014). However what these describe is the idea, and that firmly wedded to the Snowden revelations that led to the consideration and politics of this. That second source statesTo cope with this challenge, Germany and France were considering a so-called "Schengen Cloud" system... That is, the source verifies that this is not something that exists, and certainly not by that name. It was a political idea occasioned by surveillance of European's private information by the U.S. The source explains the diplomatic hurdles that would exist and points out that it would not altogether work. It was a political idea that never went beyond the talking stage. But the talk is still information. Not about an actual Schengen Cloud - that does not exist and we should not have a page on it. But we should mention it, and the Snowden page appears to be the most appropriate article to cover this as it has a reactions section, and specifically a European reactions section.Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)15:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: to the Edward Snowden article, as suggested above. I couldn't find enough sourcing to establish this subject as independently notable, but sources indicate that discussions surrounding the concept of a "Schengen cloud" arose as a result of Snowden's whistleblowing. It is my judgement that this makes the Snowden article a valid merge target.HyperAccelerated (talk)00:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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