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Drmies, welcome to Wikipedia. Your edits have been extremely helpful at cleaning up a number of articles. Messy, poorly-edited pieces are a huge problem here, not the the least because of piecemeal changes without an eye for narrative, and simple sloppiness on the part of contributors. Nonetheless, I think you should refrain from making judgments and dismissive comments about articles. Referring to things as "terrible," "messy," "horrible," or any similar terms is really unnecessary, adding a sense of know-it-all-ism and disdain for others that benefits no one. Moreover, it may very well scare away contributors who would benefit from not necessarily a polite correction, but rather a succinct and objective one. Furthermore, it's in no way specific, so really tells other editors only your opinion.

Thank you,Stakhanov20:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add that some of your edits:

1. don't work because of properties of the Wiki which you may not be familiar with, or
2. violate Wikipdedia style guidelines, although they undoubtably read better.

See my changes to your edits inGolden ratio for what I see as the problems. —Arthur Rubin |(talk)19:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for updating her page now it is expressing her all information including critical one also.I regret my act but I was fed up withuser ::Zencv who was just not allowing us to include her latest alleged controversial act.Thanks a lot.

Hi, thanks for your comment on my talk page and also the remarkable work in cleaning up the vandals in Arundhati Roy. But IMO, the statement "but Roy is not alone in her support for Kashmiri independence: mainstream editors such asVir Sanghvi, executive editor of the mass-circulationHindustan Times, have argued similarly" seems irrelevant. Any opinion? Zencv ^{Lets discuss}22:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

You seem too experienced to be a new user; did you use to edit from another account?

Cheers mate!

Λuα^{(Operibus anteire)}11:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Aua. I'll take that as a compliment! Thanks! No, I am actually fairly new, though I dabbled on Wikipedia for a few months before getting an account. I actually kind of believe in the Wikipedia project, you know. But I'm, well, an English professor, and, as we say in Dutch, a comma-f***er, so I do this stuff professionally. I need to learn the Wiki codes and all that, that's for sure, though a bit of HTML knowledge has helped. Keep the faith!Drmies (talk)14:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

1 ) That doesnt matter whether some non-notable policeman bought forest land. Roy has postured herself as a defender of tribals and aboriginal rights, and her critics take that move as hypocrisy (which it may or may not be). We can note three others, but its irrelevant who the non-notables are because of how this appears to some to contradict Roy's crusades for aboriginal rights. This interview in the left wing rag the Guardian should explain what I mean[1].

2) The burden of proof does not actually rest on me for that. See you are making the statement that newspapers havent covered it. Unless a news article actually notes that coverage has ceased, its unsourced (and as thiscolumn in the Daily Pioneer proves, untrue to boot).Pectore^talk22:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

re 1--It does matter. A police official doing something illegal? BTW, not a police official--the article states clearly, a doctor who works for the police and a forest official. A forest official, mind you, building on forest land. (There is a discrepancy between the article in the Telegraph the the one in the Times of India, but there's no police official.) What you could argue (but there are no facts to support this, only suspicions) is that Roy is working very well with the establishment--police and forest overseers--but that would be a strange claim to make for you, since you wish to paint her as an extremist. Extremists don't work with such notables (and notable they must be, if only in their own community).

re 2--Of course that burden lies with you. Finding a source to prove that no source says anything, that is illogical. Now, but you don't say this, and you should have, there is a sort of a follow-up, on 26 June 2006, which claims that action would have had to be taken by 7 July--of 2006. Now, sir, I ask of you: what happened on or after 7 July 2006? Nothing, it seems, which suggests that nothing was made of it. (Whether that is good or bad for the forest is another matter). If anything had happened, it would be all over the papers, and certainly all over that sify website. It's not. Moreover, you introduced a grammatical error (lack of subject-verb agreement) and two punctuation errors (a comma separating subject and predicate, and a sentence ending with two periods ). Moving that note to the middle of the sentence also makes little sense--it should be at the end of the sentence, or even further down.

As soon as you make the case that the newspapers have covered something on those bungalows since the charge and the deadline (which was quite some time ago--more than two years) you can claim that there's really something there. In the meantime, the claim that the newspapers haven't said anything more stands--it is a factually correct statement, with the serious implication that this simply wasn't such a big deal, no matter how much you want to suggest. And besides, if this is such a big deal, why don't you add the note to the article on Vikram Seth also? I'll do you a favor and correct the errors, move the two references around (so they are in the correct chronological order), and adjust a word or two. You'll have to live with it, until you find evidence that this is more than a neighborly dispute. And you'll see that I'm actually finding a middle route here between Roy detractors who will latch on to anything to blacken her character and those who take facts more seriously than innuendo.Drmies (talk)05:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

1) I dont paint Roy in any way. However, notice how the title's all point to Roy, and Seth's sister. Because this is somewhat contradictory to Roy's "work" among tribals, the Hindu nationalists and other critics term it "hypocrisy". If the other people were notable, they would name the forest official. The fact the newspapers disagree on who the other law breaker was merely further proves their irrelevancy. As for Seth, if it was remotely related to his notability (as in people criticized Vikram Seth for it) then yes, I would make a note. So far I haven't yet seen such an article.

2) That burden does not lie with me. Unless you have read every newspaper in India (and keep in mind Hindi and other languages have more circulation than English language ones), which I of course doubt is humanly possible, then there is no way to prove it has not been covered. You do need a source, since you are making the assertion. I am removing theunsourced assertion that "newspapers have not covered it in the last two years". That is of course a legitimate edit, as opposed to an unprovable and sneaky phrase to minimize a very notable incident. The point is that criticism came of theincident, and if you are correct about it not being covered now, thats because it was anincident. Also, I'm not even sure what Sify has to do with this, or what it really is, but I'm guessing some partisan drivel that Raulmisir wants to cite?

3) Wikipedia isn't a class on English mechanics, and I really could care less about my punctuation and grammar as long as it looks right. The page is never going to be an FA if you insist on apologizing for every one of Roy's missteps. It will be an FA if the page notes correctly the controversies that came of Roy's actions. I'm noting how it was perceived in the media, and the criticism she received in a dispassionate manner, with no coloring of the issue, and no apologizing for her actions.Pectore^talk16:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, Pectore, it's pretty useless trying to argue logic with you. I'll try to keep it simple: if you want to prove that something has been in the news, you have to show a news item that shows that something. That's pretty elementary. If you want to claim, explicitly or implicitly, that this somehow still matters, you have to prove it. Basic logic. Once again, if something is notable, it will be noted. This wasn't notable and isn't noted anymore.

You're right--Wikipedia isn't a class (?) on English mechanics (you mean spelling and grammar?): contributors to Wikipedia should take that class before they just start typing. The ungrammaticality of your contributions and their lack of structural and logical cohesion say enough about the actual content of your remarks. BTW, the claim that you are giving some uncolored perspective is a bit conceited. Your bias is obvious. But I'm done with you.Drmies (talk)16:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation that I was not wrong to revert this article in the past. I stopped because of the 3 revert rule and because I can be accused of being biased (although I do have issues with Dec Cluskey that doesn't mean I wish to rewrite history or Wikipedia inaccurately). Perhaps you'd like to see my comments atWikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. Again many thanks for edits. --Richhoncho (talk)19:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I see that you've made a comment on the talk page of the article onOliver J Bridge. An AfD discussion is currently ongoing: you're welcome to contribute atWikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver J Bridge. —Lincolnite (talk)19:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks to you too, its encouraging that there are others out there to counter the chauvinism at wikipedia. --Soman (talk)20:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I see that you were one of the participants in therecent AfD on the articleChristianity and Judaism. That AfD recommended (in a snowball result) that the article be merged intoJudeo-Christian. However, since the AfD concerns have been raised, most notably

• PerWP:ADJECTIVE andWP:MOSNAME, we use nouns and noun-phrases for article titles, not adjectives. So a general survey on the relationships between Christianity and Judaism (a topic this encyclopedia should certainly cover) should be calledChristianity and Judaism, as per the articlesChristianity and Islam,Islam and Judaism.
• The reason the articleJudeo-Christian exists, as its own hatnote declares, is specifically to survey the history and use of that word-phrase -- which has its own controversy, and its own tale to tell. (Seehere where I've set things out in a bit more detail.) That story is a good fit for its own article, and will get completely lost if the contents ofChristianity and Judaism get inappropriately dumped on top of it.

Having contacted the closing admin,his advice was to open a new discussion atTalk:Christianity and Judaism, advertise the discussion widely, andif a new consensus can be reached in that discussion [his emphasis], then perWP:CCC the new consensus should be followed, rather than the AfD decision, without the need for a DRV or a new AfD.

Concerns about the proposed merge have also been expressed bySlrubenstein (talk ·contribs),LisaLiel (talk ·contribs) andSkyWriter (talk ·contribs).

This post is therefore to let you know that that discussion is underway, atTalk:Christianity and Judaism#Overly speedy deletion, with a view to perhaps setting aside the AfD decision.

Of course, some significant issues wereraised in the AfD about the article in its present form, so the best way forward is a question that needs some thought. Please feel welcome to come and participate!Jheald (talk)07:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe your various delete votes were made in the best of good faith. The question though, is in the nom's good faith.. not your own. The nom's very first act within seconds of the account being created... before making a spelling correction... before adding a source to an article... before making a comment at a discussion... before asking a question of another editor... before themself partcipating in an AfD discussion... was to nominate an article for AfD. Not quite what is seen from a newcomer to Wiki. After aWP:SPA wasalluded to byUser:Cumulus Clouds, the nom made a few edits to other "S" articles and actually found a few that were truely deficient in notability. This in and of itself makes me question the entirefollowing pattern of nominations. I have since asked input from Admins and Checkusers.Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}02:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. But whatever H&T's story is, these articles should be notable in their own right. I believe they are not--that's just my opinion, which is not based on any affiliation to H&T (though I am a great fan of honey and of thyme, especially when coupled with a rack of lamb). Thanks again for your note,Drmies (talk)02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello! I've recently crossed paths with you in a couple of AfDs. I just wanted to take a moment to say that I've enjoyed your contributions to those discussions -- even if I don't agree with someone, I can appreciate cogent opinions. It is a pleasure reading your input, and I just wanted to let you know that. Be well.Ecoleetage (talk)00:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

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Any way to merge some of this toRuth Crisp telescope? After all, her estate's donation and the naming of the facility sadly seems to be of greater note than she for her poetry (yes, I looked too).Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}03:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

There hopefully is something out there on her life... but it does seem the notable thing is the telescope in her name. I will check sources about the observatory, for surely there will have something about her bequest and their naming it after her.Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}00:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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No problem -- and thanks for returning the favor by cleaning-up some of my mess (although my preference for "last name/first" is a long-ingrained habit). I definitely agree with you about previewing sections -- it ain't easy when editing refs. Cheers. —CactusWriter |^needles15:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I understand your point about simplicity. And it's true that there's no consensus oncitations -- and consistency within an article is the most important thing. However, every citation system uses last name first, not because of any alphabetical listing, but to more easily identify the 2nd listing of a individual source, which as you know, will appear simply as last name, date and page number. So, in a long list of references or later in the bibliography, it is easy to locate the first use of the reference. I've usedWikipedia:Citation templates, and often try to stick with Harv refs. And I try to follow the FA articles as a reminder (although I often fail while working on my usual stubs and start articles). But something likeMario Vargas Llosa is a good how-to example of all Harv refs, whileJoseph Priestley House shows an APA mix. Umm... is this a tad much for an article likeFlush!: The Scoop on Poop throughout the Ages? Talk about making a mountain out of a... well... hill of some sort. —CactusWriter |^needles19:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. Just wanted to let you know that I added sources to this article, which might address your concerns at the AfD. Cheers,Paul Erik^{(talk)(contribs)}20:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, this was pretty terrible when you saw it. However, I have since cleaned and reffed it and indicated, in the AFD, many other sources from which it can be expanded. Perhaps you would take a second look, please?Smile a While (talk)04:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Smile--it is better alright, and I am sure there's potential here. See, the problem is that the opening sentence describes what this is, and the rest describes (like a cookbook) how to do it, but the claim that it is a significant process is not asserted, let alone proven. I mean, who would want to grow nanocrystals and why? (That's the question an encyclopedia should answer also.) Also, the article from 'V' to 'result' is pretty poorly written, and I don't even understand what that's doing there, in part because, for instance, the sentence starting 'V' is ungrammatical. Are there two vapors in that sentence? You inherited this article and you're defending someone else's work, and that's great, and I appreciate your effort. I'd edit it if I knew what this was about.

This article needs much more correctness, so to speak, and much more about what this process is and why it matters, really. I'll go neutral on the AfD, and I do believe there's promise. Thanks for the good work, and thanks for keeping me posted.Drmies (talk)15:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know that you might want to take another look at this one, it's been massively improved. Thanks. ~mazca^t|c22:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks--it's much improved, and I've changed my mind on it.Drmies (talk)03:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, this article too has been improved since you expressed yourweak delete opinion. Please note ourediting policy which encourages us to develop articles from such weak starts, rather than deleting them.Colonel Warden (talk)11:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Drmies …

Would you consider formally addingBrian Nixon (edit |talk |history |protect |delete |links |watch |logs |views) to this AfD? It currently has aproposed deletion tag that expires2008-11-06 02:36.

Happy Editing! —72.75.110.31 (talk ·contribs)_{04:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)}

BTW, you forgot to notify the author (Bekah3 (talk ·contribs)) with a{{adw}} template … I did it for you. :-) —72.75.110.31 (talk)04:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanks! If that had been a clearer part of the outline of the process onWP:AfD I would not have left that out. I guess a couple other people will have found me not so courteous... :( But I appreciate your help and won't leave that out next time.Drmies (talk)04:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

To change the topic slightly, I'm curious as to why you went directly to AfD instead of aspeedy deletion or aproposed deletion … if you haven't already, please check outFlag templates for deletion warnings, and tell me if you would use them with theWP:FLAG-PROTOCOLs? —72.75.110.31 (talk)05:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I had a quick look at that but need to study it a bit more closely: I'm really not that smart with the various technicalities. I thought AfD was the proper way to go since these weren't brand-new articles still being developed, and some discussion would be good. (And I find AfD discussions often helpful and interesting.) But thanks for pointing this out to me, it might be of good use.Drmies (talk)15:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Dmries,

It must be pointed out that the Electra spawned two very influential artists: Chris Manak (Peanut Butter Wolf) and visual artist, Jeff Carlson (Jeff Jank). Jeff has been featured in several reputable publications and is an award winning artist. It is of great musical and historical significance that both of these artists began in one group, showing their musical and artistic journey. They are both very important in underground Hip Hop. I recommend that this article remain up. Both Jeff and Chris have won international music and art awards, both have been featured in mainstream publications, both are in history books. To assume they are non-notable is a gross misunderstanding of hip-hop history. MJ—Precedingunsigned comment added byManjank (talk •contribs)18:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm grossly misunderstanding hip-hop history? Thanks for pointing that out. I assume I'm betraying my age and my Southernness when I admit I have never heard of either one, as influential as they may be. But allow me to note that I never said either one of these two is non-notable, so if you want to say that I am guilty of this gross misunderstanding, well, that would be very incorrect. Please tell me where I said that, if I did, and if I didn't, please don't be so quick on the draw. I did say The electra is non-notable, and nothing in the article or elsewhere has so far convinced me that I'm wrong about that.

But while we're on the topic, Jeff Carlson doesn't have an article on WP, and that may mean something. Chris Manak's article actually features not a single 'mainstream' publication as a reference, let alone a history book (what history books?). There's one tiny interview with a blog, and one short article on a page dedicated to mix tapes? That's really not a whole lot, let's be honest.Drmies (talk)03:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Manjank … Just to be sure who we're talking about:

• Chris Manak (edit |talk |history |protect |delete |links |watch |logs |views) … doesn't have an article
• Jeff Carlson (edit |talk |history |protect |delete |links |watch |logs |views)

Now, is the Jeff Carson under discussion the athlete or the author? Neither? Then he doesn't have a Wikipedia article either. Non-notable (NN) "spawns" (to use your term) do not even a claim ofnotoriety make, let alonenotability, IMHO … regardless, notability is not inherited, in either direction. —72.75.110.31 (talk)04:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I've finally got round to actually creating an article on Wikipedia. Result is over atMonumentum... any feedback would be much appreciated :-)Blackmetalbaz (talk)22:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Baz! It looks great! Very clean, and very well-written, I think. Very encyclopedic! You'll note that I found two tiny punctuation errors and, hopefully with your approval, edited them. But really, great job. Thanks for letting me know of your first-born!Drmies (talk)22:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Also created a page forImpiety. It obviously needs work, but should at least demonstrate notability :)Blackmetalbaz (talk)12:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You recently contributed to an AfD discussion on an article about ancient Persian history. I have been reviewing the contributions of the editors who have been involved in these and other related articles, and have found a considerable number of issues - bad writing, original research, lack of sourcing or citations, and POV problems. I have posted the results of my review atUser:ChrisO/Ancient Persian problems (it's a work in progress, as I'm still going through the contributions). Please feel free to add to it as you see fit and leave any comments atUser talk:ChrisO/Ancient Persian problems. I would be interested in any feedback that you might have. Thanks in advance.

Thanks! I'd smack you with a fish, that's more the kind of NY style thank you I'm used to, but I guess things work different around here. Thanks for the award, much appreciated!ChildofMidnight (talk)19:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha, if the fish is fresh, I'll take it anyway, and serve it up with some cheesy grits--the Southern way! You're welcome, and thanks for that excellent and hard work.Drmies (talk)19:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'm guessing you're going to fry it? Do you have a special batter recipe? I'm actually going through an Okra phase at the moment, but persimmons just started coming into season out here on the left coast, so I'm having a tough time combining the two.ChildofMidnight (talk)19:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, persimmons...lots of Southerners love those. I've never acquired the taste. And actually, I prefer broiling! Today was a southern day--made a pecan pie and roasted some squash. Happy days to you!Drmies (talk)04:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! =DCannibaloki03:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, but need to be referenced byreliable sources such as:Allmusic orRockdetector.Cannibaloki04:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, this isn't good. You should use at minimum<ref>Insert footnote text here</ref> For more details, seeWP:CITE.Cannibaloki04:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh, now I understand, you work on top of information that have been written in the article, only improving grammar, correcting errors, etc.Pardon my confusion.Cannibaloki15:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

An article that you have had an interest,List of bow tie wearers, has been listed fordeletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments atWikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers (4th nomination). Thank you.Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}10:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Glad to keep you in the loop. I'm sorry the nom himself did not. Best,Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}06:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I left the lemons alone, but I did add a dollop of a strongly-flavored wild-flower honey. :) All the best. *sip**Ahhhh!*sinneed (talk)20:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, sorry about deleting your addition, but whilewww.konkurrent.nl gives no indication whether any of the titles are EPs,Sonic Youth discography listsIn the Fishtank 9 as an EP, andTortoise also listsIn the Fishtank 5 as an EP. --Bruce1ee^talk06:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I see. You know, since I never thought of them as EPs I didn't even look down the list, or I would have seen them in the article. The Dutch entry on The Ex doesn't specify what it is precisely, but the label's site says "CD/VINYL", which is why I added it as a CD. But it's no biggy to me, I'm glad it was there in the first place and wish I had looked down. You know what, I'll try to get my hands on the CD--a friend of mine occasionally works for them. Take care,Drmies (talk)15:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads-up... the editors disrupting the Lucifugum page by removing the unreferenced tags and the like are also behaving unhelpfully concerning the articles for members of the band...Khlyst (musician) is up for AfD but the AfD tag was removed from the article without edit summary and theStabaath (musician) article, which has been twice speedied (A7) in the last week, is being repeatedly recreated. I'm not entirely sure what the due process is regarding disruptive editors of this sort, but I have added a speedy tag to Stabaath and mentioned the Khylst issue on its AfD page.Blackmetalbaz (talk)09:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, given that they are clearly single purpose accounts, I'm moderately convinced thatUser:Fantomerror andUser:Black pauk1488 may be socks.Blackmetalbaz (talk)10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Baz. There's an IP at work also,User:212.92.229.171, making contributions in the same vein. Maybe they are socks--I don't know how to figure such things out. Don't they teach you that in microbial genetics? (In English we sure don't.) You know, if they'd only give some real help--like scanning a page from the local paper or something. Not that I could read it, of course. (I'm copying this to your talk page also.) Take care,Drmies (talk)15:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that Wikipedia isn't a forum so drop me an email at . . . dot com ;-).Blackmetalbaz (talk)16:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

There's been new evidence in this AFD you might wish to consider. -Mgm|^(talk)00:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

What do you think about userfication of this entry so the creator can work some more on it? It seems it could be fixed and they seem to be on the ball too. -Mgm|^(talk)09:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I've commented on your !vote in this AFD. You might want to return to it and clarify after readingWikipedia:Merge and delete. -Mgm|^(talk)08:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, it would be about authorship - not ownership. You could vote for redirect, if you think the name Walter Paisley is worth keeping as a redirect, or you could vote for a move to the Dick Miller talk page and then redirect, that would leave Walter Paisley as a redlink (after deleting the resulting redirect), but preserve the history. -Mgm|^(talk)18:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll have a look at improving the article... three albums on Vinyl Solution should be fine for notability (and if I remember correctly, didn't they have one on a major label? EastWest or something? For a death metal band, that's huge). Also, their albumDeath Shall Rise was listed somewhere inTerrorizer's Top 30 Death Metal Albums of All Time, which may be another claim to notability, I suppose.Blackmetalbaz (talk)11:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've had a good stab at beginning to improve the article. Still needs extra sources etc. and I need to finish the biography with all the reformation stuff, but tell me what you think.Blackmetalbaz (talk)13:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries; I'll do a bit more later... for the time being I'll stick some interviews I found with them on the talk page for future reference (mine or anyone else's!). Feel free to grab me if you have any more of these.Blackmetalbaz (talk)15:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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You never went to the Efteling? I'm sorry to hear that. You don't know the fun you've missed. Anyway, I thinkMonsieur Cannibale would be a reasonable search term, so I'd like to ask you to consider redirection instead of deletion. Also, while individual attractions might not be suitable for an article, I'm trying to bring together a list of all the attractions with relevant information like opening year, years of construction, creators and the like. Not sure yet if I'm going to expand the main list at the Efteling or create a new one, but in either case again a redirect would be appropriate. -Mgm|^(talk)10:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• De Efteling is such a big part of Dutch culture that I'd be very suprised if I couldn't dig up any sources. From memory, the list of attractions in the main article is pretty complete in the sense that most big attractions are named, but I think it could be improved and by keeping the histories of the separate articles stored somewhere while redirecting the titles, it gives me help in finding which information I'd want to source. Other attractions I'd like to source the separate articles on. The Python must've had some records in its early days and PandaDroom has a notable connection to theWWF. And the Fairy Tale Forest is what got the whole park started (when my mother was young, there was nothing else). If you have access to some propriety database that might include useful information, then I'd be very happy if you shared it with me. Otherwise, feel free to help in whatever way you can. (I'm going source-hunting tomorrow) -Mgm|^(talk)22:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
• Yes, putting anything you can't fit on talk is fine. Perhaps you could look into the connection the Efteling creators have with Disney themeparks... -Mgm|^(talk)23:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

On13 December,2008,Did you know? was updated with a fact from the articleMiracle of the roses, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on theDid you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk)08:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

That's partly why I put the citation back. I know there must have beensomething in the sentence that is only supported by the Derelict London reference, I just can't offhand remember what it is! If you want to do the checking through the ONDB article and work out what it was that isn't supported, and tag it as unreferenced in the hope someone can find a better citation, that's fine by me, but Ireally don't have time right now to comb through the ODNB to find it. If you had e-mail enabled, I could e-mail you a copy of the ODNB entry?Espresso Addict(talk)05:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I've just dropped you an e-mail -- let me know if it fails to turn up. You can e-mail anyone who has e-mail enabled by clicking 'E-mail this user' in the toolbox.

I'm a complete pedant, by the way, where it comes to things like en-rules, but I dislike the various reference templates, as I think they can make it very hard to edit the text. In my opinion, they are better reserved for Good/Featured content, where massive reorganisation/expansion shouldn't be necessary -- but I'm aware it's a minority opinion, so don't let me put you off! Regards,Espresso Addict(talk)18:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I didnt know it was notable.The Rolling Camel (talk)10:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, many thanks, it would be helpful if the Victorians had not practised the habit of recycling names throughout all their generations.

The large family Spicer of James and Louisa (nee Edwards) appears to have been both close knit, happy, successful - continuing the habit of producing large families with similarly named offspring. Maybe there is a lot to say for the Congregational Church ! Mrs Louisa Martindale(nee Spicer)'s two daughters may not have married and produced their own descendents - but they did manage to write about their lives thank goodness. (Hilda is a much better writer than her sister Dr Louisa.)

Spicers pop up everywhere - my latest find, which you may be curious to take a look at, is <Spicer, Eulalie Evan> who has an entry in the ONDB. Suspect she is a granddaughter of Sir Evan Spicer, yet another brother to Mrs Louisa Martindale (nee Spicer)

Thank you again for your kind interest

Val Brown (talk)09:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on the record label mentioned in this AFD. It's kinda crucial for my decision, but I don't have access to the proper information. -Mgm|^(talk)23:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

• Also I just voted in one of the album AFDs. Would you consider bundling the AFDs on these related articles? I don't think it would be right to keep the band and delete the albums or vice versa. They should all be considered together. -Mgm|^(talk)23:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your question Mac; I've answered on the AfD forCreepmime.Drmies (talk)00:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice work here. I tagged it to work on then lost internet for a few hours (@#^$#*$$@#^*&% Roadrunner). Will be looking for suitable sourcings alongside you.Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}06:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Michael. Good to hear from you again. The sources, I'll gladly leave that up to you; this business is your forte, not mine!Drmies (talk)06:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The editor that created the page also createdThunderpoint, another Jack Higgins novel. There are other entries for Jack Higgins novels in that particular series, all of them unsourced and very short, none of them containing any useful info that isn't in the main Sean Dillon article. (SeeSean Dillon (Jack Higgins character) for a list.) Want to bundle the others into this delete?Graymornings_(talk)23:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks! Same to you!Drmies (talk)23:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

And HappyNight of the Radishes!ChildofMidnight (talk)23:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it too late to revise my comments to a Happy Hannukah? Enjoy yourself whatever celebrations you partake. All the best, cheers.ChildofMidnight (talk)07:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Guido Boggiani?ChildofMidnight (talk)07:13, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you interested in heavy metal bands like this one I found on new page patrolStar Tales?ChildofMidnight (talk)01:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

That's cool. It was actually an album and not a band. I'll let you choose your own subjects for head banging. :)ChildofMidnight (talk)23:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Drmies, the merged article looks good to me. The one suggestion I have is to make an edit to the merged article so you can include wikilinks to the merged article titles in your edit summary (as you did on the album page) so it's clear where the merge is from. I learned this the hard way from my own merge where I neglected to do this and an Admin was having trouble figuring out where I had merged the information from (when they got an error message about duplicative infromation). Once it's in the edit summary anyone can go back and look at the article you merged and see if they want to undo it or add parts you left out or whatever. If my explanation is poor look at this edit summary and I tried to illustrate my point. (except I copied from a redirect notice so I messed it up with an extra parenthesis) I have some other work for you to do too. :) HAHAHAHAHA Happy New Year!ChildofMidnight (talk)22:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

• I went ahead and did it. Take a look and see if you think I did a good job. :)CreepmimeChildofMidnight (talk)23:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Not at all. I'm impressed with your willingness to make the effort on an article you think is pretty marginal. Your efforts have been considerate and generous, and I appreciate your willingness to collaborate and compromise.ChildofMidnight (talk)23:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

As the article on a certain noble family looks like its going to be deleted anyway, you might ease up a little on the editing. No need to rub salt in the wounds of an editor who has already been involved in a heated and passionate defense of the article. Just my 2 cents. Happy New Year again!ChildofMidnight (talk)07:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

And a happy holiday season to you as well. Best,Schmidt,^{MICHAEL Q.}06:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi thanks. Well naturally when I created the article I feel an element of responsibility!! Usually I turn up indignantly and shown scorn at deletionists, but Latebird, however difficult that guy can be does a lot of work on Mongolian subjects, hence the surprise that he nominated it. Personally I think it is easily within acceptability on wikipedia and we are better for an article on it than not. Thanks also for your help on it. Happy New Year! Oh " " are not essential but the ref name is for citation purposes. Anyway I've asked my good friendUser:John Hill, the expert on Central Asian history to see if he has any books in his considerable personal library on it. As I write I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to ask User:Pericles of Athens on it who as you know is very resourceful in Mongol and Chinese history.The Bald One^{White cat}16:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with that. Remember though that wikipedia is also about personal development and that by being resourceful with subjects which we were once unfamiliar we become more "equipped" to write articles on subjects and gradually gain a better understanding. On many subjects it has been a learning curve for me too, and in many circumstances I've found writing articles on a subject I knew little about rewarding, particularly when on an interesting topic that I become more familiar with afterwards. We are of course here to report and reproduce existing information in the most comprehensive way possible rather than our own original research, so it shouldn't be a barrier to what you want to do, you just have to be able to write concisely and to a high standard!! Happy New Year!The Bald One^{White cat}18:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Not certain. Uligers you'd think.The Bald One^{White cat}20:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

In fact one could actually turn this recent development into a DYK. 22:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the interesting article tip and the Barnstar! Usually I get the good humor one, do you think people are laughing with me or at me?  :)

I wasn't familiar withFreixenet or evencava in general. But I have heard aboutcassava. What aboutTxakoli? I've never had it orCold Duck, but if "The recipe was based on a traditional German custom of mixing all the dregs of unfinished wine bottles with champagne," it sounds like just the thing.

Look at you hanging out with the heavy hitters like Dr. Blofeld and kicking out some Mongolian content. I bet there is at least one Heavy Metal band namedGenghis Khan, and that they ROCK!!!ChildofMidnight (talk)18:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Let me know when you're doing barbecue.Pulled pork is mighty fine! Do you get boiled peanuts? How do you know so many languages? Red velvet cake is pretty big out here, and now that the cup-cake craze is fading (gourmet yogurt is still big), there's a bundt cake place that just opened and is pretty good. You'll be happy to know that the Mongolian discussion spurred a tangential discussion onUser_talk:Badagnani's page. I found a bad rap song with the Genghis Khan name and a Van Halen, I think it was, song, but no Heavy Metal bands. But the best song I found combines food and travel, my two favorite things! It is linked on that user talk page...ChildofMidnight (talk)02:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm partial to old schooldevil's food cake and my birthday is coming up!ChildofMidnight (talk)02:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Devil's food is really just another name for chocolate cake, I guess because it's "sinful"? :) There's a lot of Peruvian food out here on the left coast. Interesting stuff. They have a red corn drink (I'm bad with names sorry) and eat various dishes over french fries, seelomo saltado. What about the boiled peanuts??? My Dad was into roasted chestnuts for a while. TheTrader Joe's store has really expanded interest in gourmet foods I think. It's not as outrageously expensive as Whole Foods and all that. No cake flour? Make your own? Do you have awater wheel in the backyard? I'm a big fan of sweat tea. That stuff is divine. I guess I really goofed mixing up Van Halen and Iron Maiden. Now if it was Quiet Riot, I'd be on top of it. Come on feel the noise... :) Party on. Best for 2009.ChildofMidnight (talk)02:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I have a few friends from Alabama, but they went toDavidson College. One is a big Bama fan though, and would talk about "The Tradition" or some such thing. Must not be a lot for you Bubbas to do down there. :)ChildofMidnight (talk)04:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hahaahha... *cough* *cough*... They're having a tough enough time without any help from you! Their recent coaching decision doesn't seem to be very popular either. I was very impressed withLSU's upset ofAuburn at Auburn this year. LSU's coach knows what he's doing. He play to win. Are you watching the game? You wouldn't be the only one pushing for a speedy delete on that article. But there's the dog bite, the winning touchdown scored on him, his award, and some media coverage. We'll see what happens. I guess defensive player of the year at Auburn isn't what it once was? I'm getting roughed up onNFC South Curse too! :) Tough time for marginal notability I guess.ChildofMidnight (talk)04:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

"Powers and former Decatur High School teammate Rolando McClain of Alabama both had interceptions late in the first half." How cool is that! Show some respect! :) I don't really like Auburn. But I thought they were better than LSU. LSU is just ready to play all the time and well coached. I haven't really seen Bama play much. Why isn't there an article on "The Tradition"? What's the phrase?ChildofMidnight (talk)06:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Those Mormons sure can play some football. Are you sure you can handle them? Here's the guy who won the Zeke Smith award before Jerraud:David Irons, and his stats at Auburn don't hold a candle to the Decatur native. What do you make of the last sentence in the Irons article? I hope all your celebrations are good one. Cheers. Prosit. Skol. And what not.ChildofMidnight (talk)19:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Was that your breakfast?ChildofMidnight (talk)19:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Good night. Tomorrow a new day dawns.ChildofMidnight (talk)06:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I just had an important thought I wanted to share with you. Do you think Alabama would have done better if they hadJerraud Powers to cover Utah's receivers?  :)ChildofMidnight (talk)01:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'm thinking the defense might have had too much barbecue and sweat tea pre-game. Who can blame them? Good stuff! Still an impressive season. I like your QB, but he doesn't seem to have a strong receiver group to throw to.ChildofMidnight (talk)01:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry brother, it was a tough loss for Alabama. Painful. I'm going to see if I can't get you angry enough to get over it. :) Seriously though, kudos to Alabama for setting up the big games and having such an impressive season. The long layoff between the end of the college football season and the major bowl games always sets up unusual outcomes where coaching and preparation play a key role. I didn't go to a Div. 1 school, so I just like a good game. I like theLonghorns. I was in Texas when Ricky Williams was playing, and I hate USC and Ohio State, so Vince Young is my hero. :) I like Michigan, they play tough exciting games, plus they produce fun players to watch like Charles Woodson, Amani Toomer and Tom Brady. Brian Griese has been a disappointment so far, but he's alright. Oregon is fun to watch. I root against the Hurricanes, Penn State, USC (and basically all California teams except little ones Like Fresno State). I like rivalries and good games with good players more than anything. Boise State's upset of Oklahoma was great. As far as the NFL playoffs, I was rooting for Dallas and the Jets so...

Keyshawn Johnson is my favorite player, but he packed it in. :) I'm a bigDarren Sproles fan so I'm thrilled for him. He was awesome in college. I don't really like Tomlinson, he seems like a jerk. It was a great game, both teams came a long way this season. The Colts and Chargers played good defense and good offense, and Sciefer's kicking game was outstanding. Classic finish. The Chargers beating Jay Cutler and Peyton Manning back to back was great. I have respect for that team, but I'm not really a fan. I used to like the Raiders. I ALWAYS root against the Colts. The Colts, Miami, and the Broncos are the Darth Vader teams of NFL football. :) The Giants too. But they're more loveable than Darth, sort of like Biff from back to the future, just a big bully that you root against but is bigger and stronger than everyone else and usually wins. I liked Peyton at Tennessee, but he's just too darn good and I'm more a fan of the underdog teams (Go Jets!!!). Peyton had another amazing game, I thought, and I have to admit I can't help but have huge respect for him as one of the all-time greats. Their defense was nasty too. But only one team can win, and San Diego pulled it out. I was sad about the Falcons loss, but that was a good game also. You can't win them all. I like Tennessee, Vince Young is going to step in and win it all for them. I liked Roethlisberger, he was awesome in college, but he's too cocky after his rookie season so I lost respect for him. I don't really have a favorite team left, but i'll be rooting for underdogs like Minn, Tenn, and against the Giants and Miami. As long as they're good games and the Giants lose I'm happy. The Colts getting eliminated is already a great thing, so I'm happy so far. :) Well, that's enough of a rambling football diatribe for now... There's a new article on Utah's quarterback if you want to add to it. :) I likeJohn Parker Wilson. Does he have any chance of going pro?ChildofMidnight (talk)05:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm - that will be good-ish faith at best then!Springnuts (talk)22:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

An article that was previously deleted through AFD, can be speedied under speedy criterion G4. But (here comes thecaveat) it only applies to articles that are virtually the same. If it even makes an attempt at solving issues brought up in the previous AFD or makes new claims, it should go through another AFD. Unfortunately, I can't find the previous discussions or any speedies in the logs of the pages you mentioned. Spelling error? -Mgm|^(talk)12:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at theVereniging Basisinkomen article. I have posted a further comment atWikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vereniging Basisinkomen (2nd nomination) which may be of interest. --Eastmain (talk)01:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at the Building a Future article. In your commentshere, you said Spanish newspaper articles might help, and I just wanted to let you know I added these to the article. Please let me know if this helps you think of it as a keep. :)Robfurrball (talk)22:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your better-half. Best wishes for the good health and happiness of all those involved.ChildofMidnight (talk)04:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! I can't help but note thatRosie the Riveter worked on planes, though not technically jets. Enjoy your little feminist icon. :) Great news!ChildofMidnight (talk)19:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you familiar withHoppin' John and Skippin' Jenny? Also, I think you should root for Baltimore. Solid defense. That's Alabama football. What is a kg?  :)

ChildofMidnight (talk)19:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Why do I keep seeing your tag at AfD discussions? Are you trying to include Dutch wind farm corporations? Tsk tsk. I take it you don't like my Rosie the Riveter comments? I can start making Rosie O'Donnell comments. Just let me know.ChildofMidnight (talk)01:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Why did you get a note on that article? Are you following me around? :) Everywhere I went at AfD today there you were! I tried to delete your windpower company, but alas they seem notable. I notice you said soccer, but use kgs, so you are mighty confused. Hoorah for Rosie!!![2] and live[3] in case you prefer.ChildofMidnight (talk)03:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Since you have a lot of free time these days, this seems like just the kind of thing you like to weigh in on.Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Differences between Huaxia and barbarians. See you in 6 weeks...ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC):Is it enough to save it[4]???? Also, when will your report onHoppin' John be ready?ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Nevermind. I see I included the weak sources and you saw them. Killing a BBQ fest though, it just doesn't seem right!ChildofMidnight (talk)06:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Jerraud Powers is back and he's going pro. Maybe your Colts will take him?ChildofMidnight (talk)21:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you think anymore names need to be trimmed off the list? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk)08:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• I think most are firm now, did you see the two links on the talk page of what I started with and how it looks now?

Hello, I hate to pry, but was the comment below (regarding from the note above) a reference to my note on ChildofMidnight's talk page, or simply a note about CoM's last comment on your talk page? With my comment on CoM's page being about a Jewish topic and your's making reference to Nazi's it seemed like really out there irony and figured it would not be crossing the line to ask.....

"Haha, yes, I followed you to the Nazi list (from the note above), but I beat you to it at AfD. That Dutch company, that is one awful, awful article, but can easily be rewritten. I just hate writing articles for companies, almost as much as I hate reading PR masquerading as encyclopedic knowledge. Oh, thanks for the Sugarcubes--brings back a lot of memories!"

Thanks

--KravTeacher (talk)04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Krav, no problem--I had to go and look at CoM's talk page to see what you were referring to, and no, it had nothing to do with your comments, which I just saw for the first time; they were rather prompted by a note from Shoesss (higher up the page). I occasionally follow leads I find on talk pages to lead me to interesting topics.Drmies (talk)04:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay in informing you, but the page you created atTalk:Basic Income in the Netherlands has been deleted as a copyright violation - e-mails should never be published on site without specific permission from the sender, without some form of licensing details and following on from that, e-mails should receive the level of attribution required by the licence selected by the sender. A user being banned or not is irrelevant, their e-mails do not automatically become public domain.

If you wish to re-publish those e-mails, permission will need to be obtained and proof of that permission will be required to be forwarded tom:OTRS.

Finally, you should be aware that we take a very dim view of the behaviour you displayed on the talk page in question; using an article talk page to conduct a discussion between yourself and one other, a discussion that should be conducted in private, isn't acceptable.

I trust this clears up any concerns you have regarding the page being deleted.Nick (talk)21:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, with respect, the sender in question didn't email me to engage in private discussion--he only emailed me because he is banned from berating me in public. You saw his word choice: it was not courteous. I hope you've had an opportunity to look at the actual article he emailed me about: there's nothing polemic in there, and I also hope you understand that I don't agree with your word choice in the phrase "a very dim view of the behaviour etc." It's kind of a black eye, certainly after being badgered privately by an editor who was banned for very good reasons--badgering, editwarring, etc. And discussions on articles and their content, some of which can be quite personal, are common on talk pages and in AfD. I hope it wasn't the editor himself who prompted your quick action, but if it was, at least now I don't have to respond to him via personal email. I will address his comments again on the talk page, without citing him or anything else related to this conversation, and will copy my response to you on my talk page also. Thank you,Drmies (talk)01:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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