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Where is the evidence that Clay was liberal, or conservative, for that matter? I find it hard to see evidence of him as ideological. He strikes me as a man whose primary goal was to "get things done" to use the old cliche, and he did not address major concerns of either ideology at the time.108.18.179.237 (talk)01:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct that Clay does not belong here. He was part of the conservative whig partyIsland Pelican (talk)05:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I am submitting an edit request on this page because there were two individuals with the last name "Murray". Their first names are not mentioned and to avoid confusion, may I please have editing access to add their first names for complete transparency.XFacorsuperfan15 (talk)21:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate. I see only one "Murray" in this template. Please be more clear about the change that you would like to see. –Jonesey95 (talk)22:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]Seems sensible.Biohistorian15 (talk)12:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi everyone,
I've been a longtime editor over at the sister template for US Conservatism, and so I thought I would share some of the great work we've done over there with my edits on this template. I've done the following:
- The Intellectuals list here was bloated and full of figures who objectively are not intellectuals: Coretta Scott King, Al Sharpton, Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow, etc. I have moved figures who are not intellectuals to two new and better categories, "Activists" and "Commentators."
- I have removed several figures from the politicians list who are little-known and not historically relevant, because as-is the pols list was insanely bloated.
- I have created a commentators section from scratch.
- I have added important figures who were missing to the relevant categories.
- I have largely removed "classical liberals" who are better accounted for on the US Libertarianism template. For better or worse, in the United States, "liberalism" signifies a left of center tradition that includes a large swath of social democrats and is by and large hostile to libertarianism or "classical liberalism." While classical liberals may insist on saying that they are the "true liberals," the fact of the matter is that their insistence is at odds with the standard usage of that term in the context of American politics. Some figures who would fit in both categories are kept if they antedate the divide (such as Thomas Jefferson), but including Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, or other such figures in a list dominated by people like John Rawls, FDR, Nancy Pelosi, and so forth... well, the absurdity should speak for itself. In brief, the template should strive to communicate to the reader the main lines of the tradition of American liberalism. "Classical liberals," for the better part of a century, have played little role in that tradition, and are better accounted for in the libertarianism and conservatism templates.
Cheers, and I look forward to seeing how this template gets improved going forward! I would suggest future editors pay especial attention to enlarging the thinktanks, media, and literature lists. I won't be closely monitoring the page, as I'm busy on tasks related to my own passion of conservatism, but I wish you all the best.GreenLoeb (talk)05:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
