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Well, only West-Jerusalem (nicey defined it is), is Israel. The rest is not Israel. So: it is not correct to claim that "Jerusalem Israeli city" has 500.000+ inhabitants. As for theIsrael city, that is perfectly defined: "West-Jerusasem", about 200.000. Claiming non-Israel area (inhabitants) would be politicts. -DePiep (talk)22:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why ask my opinion? Why should I be a source? Even US has its embassy in Tel Aviv. Israel is limited to West-Jerusalem. Oh and by the way, I have "annexed to" myself your bathroom. -DePiep (talk)23:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Who governs "East" Jerusalem? Who charges taxes, enforces the law, controls the place and builds there? Jordan, Palestinian Authority, US embassy? No, Israel does. It's Israel's capital and part of the same municipality. There is no "divided" city. The current international status is another problem, but Jerusalem is a unified Israeli city (there is not even a physical separation between East and West, Jews and Arabs live in both sides while freely pass, etc). It's a matter of facts, not political opinions: Jerusalem is a unified Israeli city.--Jabotito48 (talk)23:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Occupies" is just your personal opinion. Jerusalem is not under a military occupation (like many parts in the West Bank), but is under Israeli civil law and is part of the same municipality.--Jabotito48 (talk)00:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Jerusalem" is not Israel. Only West-Jerusalem is. The rest is occupied, and its occupation is not recognised by any state. I maintain: in this template, "Jerusalem"=~200.000. -DePiep (talk)00:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The controversial status of East Jerusalem should be discussedhere. But the fact is that Jerusalem is for the moment a unified city governed by Israel whose population is superior to 500,000. This is not just my personal opinion and an encyclopedia should not subscribe any ideological position at the expense of truth.--8HGasma (talk)00:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've read a lot and made a correction, I would like to be kept informed of similar issues elsewhere.Penyulap ☏ 04:13, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
Except by Israel itself, nowhere is sourced that the whole of Jerusalem is in Israel. Not in Israel, so it is not an Israeli city. -DePiep (talk)11:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jerusalem in its entirety was not included in the Jewish State in the UN decision on the division of Palestine.
Accordingly, Jerusalem in its entirety to this date is not recognized by the United States as part of Israel.
The same is of course true about many other countries that do not recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel.
Jerusalem is controlled by Israel. The police in all of jerusalem (east and west, except on the outskirts outside the wall) is the Israel police. The law that governs in all of Jerusalem is the law of the state of Israel.
The arabs living in east Jerusalem operate under the Israel law, including the reception of social security payments and health care. Thousands of arabs who are living in East Jerusalem have become Israeli citizens based on their residence in east Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is not the only city which is disputed. There are many other cities in the world, which are under dispute. Jerusalem should be handled in the same way these are handled.עדירל (talk)15:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC) (Adiral)[reply]
No, the other way around. The list is wrong. Cities that are not in Israel are not Israeli cities.
That would depend on what "Israeli cities" means in context. For example isAriel an Israeli or Palestinian city? That depends on what you mean by "Israeli city" and "Palestinian city". That the list includes cities outside of internationally registered Israel is the reason that it's titled "List of Israeli cities" instead of "List of cities in Israel".Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk)12:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need to know what kind city Ariel is. We already know it isnot Israeli, so it should not be in any such list. There is nothing more to it. -DePiep (talk)14:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Is there any reason for this template to differ fromList of Israeli cities in what it defines as "Israeli cities", to differ from the "parent" page would be confusing. I should note that other then Jerusalem there are no Israeli-admin. West Bank cities with a 50,000+ population. 14:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
reIs there any reason ...: yes there is. The factual reason is that "Jerusalem" is not Israeli. Whatever your internal WP-link says (that is calledWP:OR). -DePiep (talk)19:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Whatparent you keep mentioning? The template stands on its own. Of course we at WP cannot decide otherwise. Jee: OR I said. -DePiep (talk)19:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This template is self-standing. There is noparent directing us (I think you got my point but you decided to play dumb). Let me be clear: no Wikipedia article or page can decide what Jerusalem (or Moskov or Ariel) is. We only use sources. -DePiep (talk)20:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The city ofJerusalem, including bothEast Jerusalem and West Jerusalem is administered by the Israeli government.East Jerusalem was annexed byIsrael in 1980 and is currently disputed between Israel and theState of Palestine. Therefore, I propose changing the status of Jerusalem in thisTemplate:Largest Israeli cities from "Jerusalem (West)" as it is currently listed to a status which can describe the current situation of Israeli cities more adequately, (East Jerusalem is disputed between Israel and Palestine). I also propose adding the city ofModiin Illit to this template, as it is a city administered by Israel yet located in theWest Bank. I have already made this edit several times, however it has been reverted several times byUser:DiePiep who has asked for a discussion. Therefore I am asking for permission to make these changes so that this template can more accurately reflect the largest Israeli cities and the disputes which exist between Israel and Palestine in the case of Jerusalem and Modiin Illit, both which have more than 50,000 Israeli citizens living within them.Zbase4 (talk)22:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Administered" does not make it Israeli.
"Annexed" does not make it Israeli.
"is disputed" does not make it Israeli (Right now, I am 'disputing' my neighbours garden, see?)
"more adequately" - no, Jerusalem is occupied. It is not Israeli. One could propose adding to the template: "... while occupied Jerusalem has 200.000+ inhabitants".That could be an Adequate proposal.
add "Modiin Illit to this template, as it is a city administered by Israel yet located in theWest Bank." ??? Occupied.
I ran into this template today and was shocked to find it was politicized, selective and internally inconsistent. Reading through this page it looks like someone took ownership over the article, doesn't listen to arguments, and engages in edit warring. These are my preliminary conclusions. I'm in the process of including all Israeli cities, as politics was not nearly the only problem. There can be a note next to Israeli cities that can also be considered non-Israeli or partially non-Israeli by a different standard but it is totally unreasonable and unacceptable that matters will be decided by edit warring and frequent reversals instead of discussion.gidonb (talk)00:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.
