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Footer vs. sidebar

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I would feel much better about this if it were a footer rather than a right-aligned box. I will change it myself in a few days if there are no complaints. --mav

Complainant here. :) We've been talking about this box and others onWikipedia:Article series and I think it fits with the other national history series boxes. Consistency is, yes, the hobgoblin of little minds, but I think it also pulls Wikipedia together nicely. Could you show us what you had in mind?jengod 22:24, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
Like the footers on the country pages. See bottom ofUnited States. The box atHistory of the United States is especially bad since it duplicates the section names - people should visit those sections first, read the summary if needed, and then, if they want more info, visit the main article on that section. Having the box at top also takes up very important real estate that would be better used by having a WikiProject table (like atAmerican Civil War) and/or a photo. If still needed, a link toHistory of the United States can still be in the same spot as the current table. --mav
Whatever.jengod

Topics

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To keep this navbox simple and straightforward I think it would be better if the topics section were removed and only the "history of the United States" series kept. The topics are also linked in the bottom navbox{{US history}} which has more space.

Alternatively, perhaps inclusion criteria could be formed? I expect links to articles that are topical yet holistic in terms of time and place (at least in terms of contemporary U.S. territory), which would exclude links to the African American civil rights movement (1896-1968), the Civil War, and the South. These are important topics of course however there's also slavery, the Revolution, and the West that are similarly important yet omitted. African American history and women's history would be included.

I favor the simplicity of the first option. Does anyone have any opinions? Remove, clarify, none of the above? —Mrwojo (talk)23:02, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image

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The Great Seal is kind of dull as an image choice for this template. Could we possibly replace with something that might cast a little more color on US history? I was thinking of (a scaled-down version of)Washington Crossing the Delaware, as that is a pretty iconic moment in - and unmistakable depiction of - American history. --70.181.184.7 (talk)21:03, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Topic vs. Ethnicity

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I kind of think that topics should appear before ethnicities in this template. I believe them to be more general and of more broad-based interest. Thoughts?pbp14:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think I mind, although perhaps it could be argued that it's "by topic" which is most general in scope (i.e. regardless of year or ethnicity), so should come last..?CsDix (talk)15:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Should just merge the ethnic stuff under topics. –Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs),11:10, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overstyling

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perdiscussion at MOS:ACCESSBILITY, I have undone the overstyling.Frietjes (talk)14:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 May 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider amove review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was:withdrawn(non-admin closure)Sangdeboeuf (talk)05:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]



Template:History of the United StatesTemplate:US history sidebar – More concise and also consistent with{{US history}}, which is the bottom-of-page equivalent of this template. Both haveHistory of the United States as their main heading/link, so using that as the name of this template but not the other seems arbitrary and potentially confusing. Since this template is based on a variant of{{Sidebar}}, it makes sense to indicate that in the title.Sangdeboeuf (talk)06:15, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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Discussion about changing this template

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There is a discussion about changing this template listed here:WT:USA#Need to fix Template:History of the United States. —Naddruf (talk ~contribs)17:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merging templates

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template'stalk page or in adeletion review).

The result of the discussion wasMerge. It's been a while and no dissents.

I propose mergingTemplate:History of the United States withTemplate:Periods in US history as a single sidebar.

Part ofa series on the
History of the United States
Greater coat of arms of the United States
Prehistoric andPre-colonialuntil 1607
Colonial period 1607–1765
  
1776–1789
American Revolution 1765–1783
Confederation Period 1783–1788
  
1789–1849
Federalist Era 1788–1801
Jeffersonian Era1801–1817
Era of Good Feelings 1817–1825
Jacksonian Era1825–1849
  
1849–1865
Civil War Era 1850–1865
  
1865–1918
Reconstruction Era 1865–1877
Gilded Age 1877–1895
Progressive Era 1896–1916
  
1918–1945
World War I 1917–1919
Roaring Twenties 1920–1929
Great Depression 1929–1941
World War II 1941–1945
  
1945–1964
Post-war Era 1945–1964
  
1964–1980
Civil Rights Era 1965–1980
  
1980–1991
Reagan Era 1981–1991
  
1991–2008
Post-Cold War Era 1991–2008
  
2008–present
Modern Day2008–present
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This is what it would look like. I've made no content changes other than merging the two together. I think there's no good reason to keep these as separate ideas, because the readers probably won't care about the difference. The dates do not line up exactly, and that's one problem. —GoldRingChip 14:46, 9 March 2021

Cross-posted atWikipedia:Templates for discussion, but I've requested that the discussion be held here. —GoldRingChip23:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion here

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I welcome your thoughts. —GoldRingChip19:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template'stalk page or in adeletion review).

Link color for show/hide links

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The links to hide and show and hide lists are now blue on red background which are hard to read. I think it has been that way since the collapsible content changed from being based on class collapsible to class mw-collapsible.

I propose to make link color white again. To do that a have made a suggestion inTemplate:History of the United States sidebar/sandbox. It uses a new templatestyles pageTemplate:History of the United States sidebar/styles.css, and styles parameters and inline stiles are moved from the sidebar template to the templatestyles page. Besides the change of color of the show/hide links, the underlining of the links in the title and list titles are also changed to white when the mouse hovers over the links.Dipsacus fullonum (talk)06:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no objections, so I'll use sandbox version now.Dipsacus fullonum (talk)08:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The blue on red background is very hard to read. I'd suggestDipsacus fullonum's solution for the first entry but also to change in colors for the other section titles (or link them all to something and make their colors uniform and readable). Thanks.Randy Kryn (talk)14:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Color of template title

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Looking at various other "History of" templates, such as those forFrance,Italy, andCanada, it simply has the name of the country in standard black lettering on a white background. I think the same color scheme would be better here, instead of this peculiar black bar/stripe design with white letters—especially since black and white aren't even the national colors of the United States.Indefatigable2 talk02:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, obviously it will be black and white regardless, but in this case it'd just be the standard colors of text—instead of having this unusual black area at the top of the template box for whatever reason.Indefatigable2 talk02:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Coloring looks good, and a better color may be a dark blue.Randy Kryn (talk)02:46, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the background color to #002868, matching the shade of blue used for thePolitical Divisions of the United States templateIndefatigable2 talk18:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also changed the background of the list titles to red.Indefatigable2 talk19:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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