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1926 or 1927?

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I was just watching an old episode ofThis Is Your Life withJesse L. Lasky on it and it said this movie was from1926. Which is it - 1926 or1927?
70.69.50.7703:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1927. (JosephASpadaro06:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]
All references list the film's release year as 1927, but it was not honored by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences until early 1929.Sallyrob (talk)11:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Recording started 1926.Parrotistic (talk)13:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Home Video

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AlthoughWings has been shown on American Movie Classics and Turner Classic Movies, it has not been released on DVD. With the publication of William Wellman Jr.'s book, there is growing pressure to release the film on home video.Sallyrob (talk)11:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's on VHSSpartacus007 (talk)01:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's on DVD as well because I have it. Actually I have Cavalcade as well so that statement is incorrect. I'm a movie collector and own EVERY Best Picture.—Precedingunsigned comment added by98.24.109.255 (talk)05:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Wings nor Cavalcade have had an official *Region 1* release. Amazon.co.uk lists the Cavacade Region 2 DVD, but not one for Wings.Ttenchantr (talk)23:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Production

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It is one of the first films to feature a male-on-male kiss – a fraternal one

Five years earlier,

In the 1922 "Blood and Sand"Valentino (as Juan Gallardo) kisses the character Zapaterin (or was it Chiripa?) who dies from being gored by a bull.

This and the mention of nudity seem to be more "cultural items" rather than "Production" - though I consider them important - everyone seems to forget that people have always been human!—Precedingunsigned comment added by216.39.144.40 (talk)04:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've just editing the first gay kiss section. I was able to find some information about the kiss being fraternal "The History of the Kiss!: The Birth of Popular Culture By M. Danesi pg 137-138 but was unable to verify that blood and sand is the first same sex kiss. There isn't a general consensus as far as i can see so I included a few that are commonly cited. That being said from what I could find out the first explicitly gay kiss between two men in a relationship is Sunday Bloody Sunday in 1971.— Precedingunsigned comment added byFalsebooles123 (talkcontribs)05:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Pearl Harbor" (2001) is a rip-off of "Wings"

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I think it should be mentioned that the 2001 movie "Pearl Harbor" was just a re-write of "Wings".63.207.238.150 (talk)09:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's noted, I'll look into it.Parrotistic (talk)13:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Pure supposition, may not be worth it. FWiWBzuk (talk)14:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Bzuk. A quicksearch engine test does not reveal any kind of relationship.Erik (talk |contribs)14:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The two movies have the same love triangle plot. Two guys in love with the same girl, one dies in the other's arms after the planes crash land. The scene with Clara Bow, the ambulance driver, in the village right before it is bombed, then taking cover from the bombing, then the two pilots taking off to shoot down enemy planes--this is copied in "Pearl Harbor" for the sneak bombing attack on Pearl. The champagne scene is derived from Wings. And so on.69.236.143.238 (talk)01:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey IP user, ever hear the prase "nothing new under the sun?" Just because they share common dramatic themes does not mean the later one is a "copy" of the old one.Jersey John (talk)23:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Rediscovery

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What is the date (or at least the year) that this film was rediscovered? Does anyone know? I think I saw a news article from the 1980s about this film being found, but I can't find this article again right now.— Precedingunsigned comment added by75.31.210.87 (talk)07:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Game Wings (Amiga GBA) a homage

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wings_%28video_game%29http://www.cinemaware.com/history/The gameplay looks similar to the action sequences of the 1927 silent movie also called Wings. The story shown before each mission is, however, different from the plot of the moviemore:-before and after mission are silent movie text writings - same like in the movie- 'the bad Hun' style in writing ;)- name ;)188.103.103.249 (talk)22:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer:Jaguar (talk·contribs) 17:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)I'll take up this review as requested. I will leave down the initial comments within 24 hours or earlier! I mainly focus on copyediting issues as well.Jaguar17:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – seeWP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is itreasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B.MoS compliance forlead,layout,words to watch,fiction, andlists:
  2. Is itfactually accurate andverifiable?
    A.References to sources:
    It is well referenced.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C.No original research:
  3. Is itbroad in its coverage?
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  4. Is itneutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is itstable?
    Noedit wars, etc:
  6. Does itcontainimages to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images havefair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, withsuitable captions:
  7. Overall:
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Sorry for coming to the review a bit late. I've had one of the worst days...Jaguar21:51, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments

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Lead

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  • "Wellman was hired as he was the only director in Hollywood at the time who had World War I combat pilot experience, althoughRichard Arlen and John Monk Saunders had also served in the war as military aviators." - I assume these two are directors at the time, but the sentence doesn't specify who they were?
Above it says Richard Arlen in the cast and that John Monk Saunders wrote the story.♦Dr. Blofeld09:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Acclaimed for its technical prowess and realism upon release, the film became theyardstick for which future aviation films" - this doesn't have to be changed, but what does 'yardstick' mean in terms of film releases? Is it an American dialect?

Yes, it's probably more common in the US, but the source describes it as such. I suppose in British English it would be called the "benchmark". Just means that it set a high standard for other films to follow.♦Dr. Blofeld09:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The lead itself complies perWP:LEAD!

Script and experience

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  • "knowing "exactly what he wanted", bringing with it a "no-nonsense attitude" according to Lawrence H. Suid" - it does not specify who Lawrence H. Siud is?
Added.♦Dr. Blofeld09:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception

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  • "Wings was an immediate success upon release, and became the yardstick..." - yardstick is mentioned here again, if you could clarify the meaning in the lead then this one can be clarified too. It doesn't matter if it can't be clarified though....
I think it's a common term, especially in the US.♦Dr. Blofeld09:58, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On hold

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This sounds like an epic film and I keep forgetting that it's silent! It is also an epic article that gathered around 7300 views in the past 15 days and an honourable one as it was the first ever film that gained an Oscar. The article has very little problems with it, the lead complies perWP:LEAD, the prose is good, all of the references are in check and there are next to no problems with this article apart from those minor copyediting issues I had mentioned above. I'll put thison hold for seven days and will happily give it its deserved GA status once those minor points have been addressed to!Jaguar21:51, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! Not really an epic film. The romance part of the plot is a bit wish washy, but given the period the aerial sequences are definitely impressive.Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans,The Jazz Singer, or Lang'sMetropolis (film) (although ineligible) were more worthy Best Picture candidates for 1927 IMO. Still, technically a very impressive film for the period.♦Dr. Blofeld09:58, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Close - promoted

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The article now definitely meets theGA criteria - the only disappointment is the length of this review! Just comes to show how well made this article is. All sections are written well, references are in check and all of the issues mentioned above have been dealt with. There is nothing much to say other than well done on building this up to a GA standard! I only thought that this was an epic film due to its aerial sequences but maybe I'm wrong...Jaguar21:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's very good you can watch ithere although I vaguely recall there's adverts or something every 5 minutes. But watchthis of the same year and you'll see what I mean!! Pales in comparison overall! Metropolis is a brilliant masterpiece which rates among the best films ever made IMO as does that Dr. Caligari I mentioned previously from 1920. I may have that (Metropolis (1927 film) at GAN in the near future, the current article is pretty good, needs mainly a sourcing overhaul and some additions.Wings is definitely special as the first Oscar though and aviation fanatics love it! Thanks for the review! ♦Dr. Blofeld21:59, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Public Domain?

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Shouldn't this film have lapsed to the public domain decades ago? Or if not, who owns the rights? I trust this is valid information to add to the article. For instance:

 In 1997, Wings was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant", and the film was re-released to Cinemark theaters to coincide with the 85th Anniversary for a limited run in May 2012. The Academy Film Archive preserved Wings in 2002.

Wouldn't those preservation efforts have made the film public domain or do I not understand those processes?--Ivotalk /contribs(joinProject Portugal)13:21, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From my understanding, the original theatrical version is public domain, save for maybe the music. However, unless you find an intact version of the original print, all others would technically be derivatives. So, the original film version is also a lost film until we found a possible print in decent condition.— Precedingunsigned comment added byKadmos1 (talkcontribs)19:42, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Character names are indicated in on-screen cast credits for only four members of the cast

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It should be noted that, since the character names are not specified in either the opening or closing credits [other than for the four leading cast members, their form in the cast list is taken from various resources, primarilyTCMDb andIMDb, as well as from personal viewing by editors. For the record, below is a reproduction of the form in which the credits are depicted:

       A
Paramount
   Picture
Adolph ZukorandJesse L. Lasky
                       present
ALUCIEN HUBBARD
PRODUCTION

WINGS

Directed by
WILLIAM A. WELLMANN

B.P. SCHULBERG__ASSOCIATE PRODUCER
COPYRIGHT — MCMXXVII
PARAMOUNT FAMOUS LASKY CORPORATION
ADOLPH ZUKOR, PRESIDENT
             Story by
JOHN MONK SAUNDERS

       Screen play by
     HOPE LORING
andLOUIS D. LIGHTON

    Editor-in-chief
E. LLOYD SHELDON
  Photographed by
  HARRY PERRY


        Titles by
JULIAN JOHNSON
                    THE PLAYERS
Mary Preston_ _ _ _ _ _ _Clara Bow
Jack Powell_ _ _ _ _Charles Rogers
David Armstrong_ _Richard Arlen
Sylvia Lewis_ _ _ _ _Jobyna Ralston
                               and
El Brendel        Richard Tucker        Gary Cooper
Gunboat Smith       Henry B. Walthall       Roscoe Karns
Julia Swayne Gordon                              Arlette Marchal

The closing credits only depict "The End".    Roman Spinner(talkcontribs)18:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Featured picture scheduled for POTD

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Hello! This is to let editors know thatFile:Wings (1927).webm, afeatured picture used in this article, has been selected as the English Wikipedia'spicture of the day (POTD) for August 12, 2027. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited atTemplate:POTD/2027-08-12. For the greater benefit of readers, any potential improvements or maintenance that could benefit the quality of this article should be done before its scheduled appearance on theMain Page. If you have any concerns, please place a message atWikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you!  — Amakuru (talk)14:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wings (released August 12, 1927) is a 1927 and 1929 Americansilent film known for winning the firstAcademy Award for Best Picture. The film starsClara Bow,Charles "Buddy" Rogers, andRichard Arlen. Rogers and Arlen portrayWorld War I combat pilots in a romantic rivalry over a woman. It was produced byLucien Hubbard, directed byWilliam A. Wellman, and released byParamount Famous Lasky Corporation.Gary Cooper appears in a small role, which helped launch his career inHollywood.

Film credit:William A. Wellman

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Perhaps change the picture of Clara Bow?

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Clara Bow spends 99.99999% of "Wings" with her clothes on in a serious role. Seems a bit weird/misogynist for this article to use a nude scene that only lasts a few seconds as her representative picture? Her character is an ambulance driver in a war zone, not a stripper. I've uploaded an alternative image, perhaps that could be used instead?

Clara Bow as ambulance driver Mary Preston in "Wings" (1927)

ChampagneBubbles (talk)23:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA concerns

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I am concerned that this article no longer meets thegood article criteria. Some of my concerns are outlined below:

  • There are several uncited statements in the article.
  • The "Music" section is quite short: is there more information to put here?

Is anyone interested in fixing this up, or should this be sent toWP:GAR?Z1720 (talk)03:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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Wings (1927 film)

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The following discussion is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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Result: Kept.~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk)15:37, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article contains uncited statements. The "Music" section is underdeveloped.Z1720 (talk)16:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Provided link to Brown University Library's Digital RepositoryFeickus (talk)13:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Feickus: There's still some uncited statements in the article. Would you be willing to address them?Z1720 (talk)23:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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