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Lots of single sentences, poorly structured, although reasonably well referenced. Might be salvageable if somebody wants to take it on.Jamesx1234513:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There hasn't been any significant progress, so I'm delisting it. The article really needs one person to bring it together to a coherent whole, as it is there is a lot of redundant information and a large number of single sentence paragraphs.Jamesx1234515:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
philosophy traffic patterns hatnote vs. article text
Of course, that's why nobody's making any conclusions :) only in December does it become possible to correlate the clickstreams and the redirect page views for a whole month of November. --Joy (talk)09:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now we can see amonthly views graph for the statistical redirects. The ratios for the two months are 541 : 317 and 578 : 306, so 1.7x and 1.9x in favor of the hatnote, and the totals are 858 and 884.
The clickstreams, on the other hand, are showing 919 and 994 identifiable clicks from here to the philosophy article.
To summarize my earlier chat with @Tiggerjay here, we also have some other data points:
Google Trends show the trend for philosophy to be consistently much lower than the one for the OS, so as far as we can trust their system to be internally consistent, that's a relevant comparison
Google Trends is actually showing that the simple search of "ubuntu" is clearly the most popular one identified withboth topics, which may also be relevant
Because the two meanings are interconnected, it's going to be very hard to figure out whether it makes sense to change navigation.
The latest modest experiment with redirects is also inconclusive - it shows most people who choose philosophy to be picking the hatnote, but not by a large enough margin to be clear. Yet we also observe that minority of readers who come to the Ubuntu article and then seemingly abandon our navigation links in favor of search again.
We do not have any clear criteria about how large either of these reader contingents has to be in order to trigger navigation changes to try to measure or accommodate.
Meanwhile, the Ubuntu philosophy page has a monthly average of ~26000 views. ~1000 is too small of a portion of the philosophy page's views to claim most readers want to see that page, especially when you subtract the ~300 clicks from article text, which seem more motivated by curiosity.Aaron Liu (talk)11:44, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that you can't make that conclusion, because most of our navigation is pre-filtered by search engines. For example, we know thatUbuntu gets 25k views a month from them, and probably more from the 8k empty referer contingent as well. This might merely mean that these various methods of pre-filtering miss for ~700 people a month. (Likewise,Ubuntu philosophy gets 12k views a month from them, and probably more from the 4k empty referer contingent.) --Joy (talk)15:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
if you are going to start a move discussion, my advise is to start it at theUbuntu philosophy, as starting the discussion here means the majority of the participates will be people with interest in the software, and you will be limited when it comes to notify Africa, South Africa or Philosophy projects. The move discussions on this page embody everything that is mentionedhere and participants will wear it as a badge of honour.
The summary box is missing the current LTS release (24.04 LTS Noble Numbat). I don't know how to fix this using Wikidata, but it should be fixed by somebody who knows. Thanks.MGeog2022 (talk)12:32, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there enough of a link to cultural appropriation to include it in this article?The name Ubuntu being chosen by a white South African for "his roots" while in London. Then going further to call the company Canonical, which might reasonably be interpreted as implying that this is "the original"?It doesn't help that Mark Shuttleworth is called the first African in space.It all just seems very painful to read?And not a lot of information on it[1]Wallby (talk)21:40, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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