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Q1: Why does this article state exodus and not genocide?
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Subhash K Jha (5 May 2022)."Wikipedia gets it wrong again, and there is nothing Vivek Agnihotri can do about it".Firstpost.If Wikipedia is to be believed — and it's sickening and frightening how this self-help quick fix cocky rack of righteous knowledge is taken as the gospel truth by billions across the world—then The Kashmir Files, the film that has drastically revised decades-old mindsets on the savage slaying of Kashmiri Pandits in the 1990s, is nothing but a flickering fiction, a pack of lies, a web of deceit.
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I think we should add information about the docu-series The Kashmir Files: Unreported, which is being seen as a sequel to the movie. the series contains interviews that were conducted as a part of the research for the film.
On a similar note the article uses "Kashmir" and "Jammu and Kashmir" in the whole article except that spot. Viewers will be confused if IAK is used.—⚰️NΛSΛB1058 (TALK)05:41, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted. The notice on this page,as you already noted, says "Editors are not permitted to modify the lede paragraph of this article without prior discussionand consensus on the talkpage", yet you changed it without gaining any such consensus for this change. Please ensure that you do so before making any more changes. I am quite surprised that an editor with as much experience as you have is incapable of understanding such a clear instruction.Black Kite (talk)06:20, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have a request that if the designation of region doesn't change let's change all other articles. Purposely movies on military operations are likely to instill more dispute than this internal matter of India where in military films cross border issues create negative sentiments in rival nations of India.—⚰️NΛSΛB1058 (TALK)12:57, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Kashmir or Jammu and Kashmir or J&K is the correct usage.
It is the name(s) of the region(s).
As you noted, it gets changed to Kashmir and J&K later on in the article.
The use of the word Indian-administered is to deliberately used here to inflame sentiments in India. This is an Indian movie made to cater to mainly the Indian audience.
lets focus onThe Bengal Files for now. We will surely pick the other issues later. However we should notdivert our attention from the current issue of incorrectly assigning attributes to a Historical Incident. ````ADWikiax (talk)13:32, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ADWikiax: fair enough. You can ignore this for now.
I'll prioritize Bengal files, but since it is locked, there is not much else to do for now.
If there is some action required, will check there.
This is just my suggestion. If you think a different course of action would be better, I’m happy to explore that as well. Open to further discussion.ADWikiax (talk)13:39, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Orientls. Indian administered Kashmir and Pakistan administered Kashmir are the more accurate names and also more used by reliable sources and scholarshipEarthDude (wannatalk?)18:26, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Almost no one uses them in Indian film related articles.
@RIP B1058 has pointed out to so many wiki articles saying using Kashmir, J & K, jammu and kashmir.
Even this very article uses Jammu and kashmir, kashmir, J&K after the IAK in lede para. why do you think that is.
What's problem with "Kashmir" or "Kashmir Region" as this is a bollywood film we need to cater for Indian audience also. It is more neutral@EarthDude (i am not telling you to use "Jammu and Kashmir" if you think it hurts Pakistani and Chinese sentiments that might be more concerning for you than Indians, though i gave refs above telling J&K is a legit state of india) "Indian-administred Kashmir" is simply not a neutral word—⚰️NΛSΛB1058 (TALK)18:34, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
just for you to understand the context @Computeracct in future discussion. Only this line I want change:- "The film presents a fictional storyline[1][9] centred around the 1990 exodus of Kashmiri Hindus from Indian-administered Kashmir.[10][11]"
@Kautilya3: Are you sure about removing multiple sources and replacing them with an irrelevant hidden note that does not even justify the removal of the established term "India-administered"? You are citingExodus of Kashmiri Hindus but this article also say "Kashmir valley in Indian-administered Kashmir following". You should refrain from misrepresenting that article to justify your removal of the term "India-administered". Also, remember that this page is under restriction that demands editors to gain consensus before changing any part of the lead.Orientls (talk)14:53, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not involved with the "Indian-administered" bit. you guys can sort it out. I was correcting thefactual error of claiming that the exodus occurred from theKashmir region, which no source claimed. --Kautilya3 (talk)15:16, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My question is why even use "Indian-administred" in first place. This movie is made for Indian audience when the rest of the article and other Kashmir based film articles notably the "The Kashmir Files:Unreported" don't use IAK why we need IAK. My simple question again and again is IAK a neutral term? If you only think we need to change the lede why not just keep, "from the Kashmir Valley". @Orientls@Kautilya3@UnpetitproleX.—⚰️NΛSΛB1058 (TALK)02:05, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also note that the RfC version of 2022 actually linked toKashmir Valley. Someone must have changed that link to 'Kashmir' at some point, leading us here with the lead now inaccurately claiming a displacement of Kashmiri Hindus from the entirety of J&K and Ladakh, which did not happen.UnpetitproleX (talk)15:51, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This film is designed for Indian audience. So the film page must don't hurt indian sentiments. Indians even would like to see J&K instead of IAK. On the other hand stating your concerns regarding the miniscule amount of subcontinental neighbouring countries foreign audience who don't use J&K terms may say IK, IOK, IAK and what not. The remaining negligible neutral European african countries are sufficied in Kashmir term. Having used Kashmir valley/region being in sync with topic. IAK creates a curiosity among readers for seeing a non familiar term and can create tensions among readers from different sections of our society. Having used Kashmir valley in that spot, It's unnecessary to keep IAK, as the wording looks redundant, that takes out the unnecessary limelight/spotlight, instead of what the movie is about. An important points to tell excluding references J&K is used t times in this page alongside the Kashmir valley/Kashmir neutral term.@EarthDude@UnpetitproleX@Orientls
Hello IP user. I am not sure I understand what you mean, so for now:
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate. You may improve your request and set it to unanswered again, or you can ping me. If you have any other questions, you can also reach me at my talk page. Happy editing, Slomo666 (talk)21:06, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate. You may improve your request and set it to unanswered again, or you can ping me. If you have any other questions, you can also reach me at my talk page. Happy editing,
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