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Where in the final communiqué of theBandung Conference does it say that “overseas Chinese owed primary loyalty to their home nation, rather than to China”? I can only find “Zhou Enlai announced at the Bandung Conference in 1955 that the Chinese government would offer a nationality agreement similar to that of Indonesia to any country with which China had diplomatic relations”[1] –Kaihsu (talk)10:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Editors will have noted the recent edit warring by user MrStephenLeon.
This user continues to attempt to add figures to the infobox population table without citations. In particular, the user has now on more than 15 occasions attempted to insert a figure for the number of Mexicans of Chinese ancestry that is many times more than can be supported in any source, and has not even included a citation.
Worse than this, on the pageChinese immigration to Mexico, the user has made a claim that there are 1.9 or 2.3 million Mexicans of Chinese ancestry (when the only source cited on that page that gives a figure says 70,000) and has included citations which when opened, do NOT give a figure for the population of Mexicans of Chinese ancestry - the user included the citations on that page purely to mislead in circumstances where they have no relation or support to the number claimed.
It goes without saying that unsourced figures will be deleted as they are against Wikipedia policy. Furthermore, in light of the above conduct, any attempts by the user MrStephenLeon to add statistical figures to this page will be scrutinised very carefully.StormcrowMithrandir00:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
in the section titled "Waves of emigration in late Qing Dynasty" why does this article randomly start talking about height variation, it doesn't seem relevant.Badpagenoticer (talk)23:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder whether the values in the Figure with caption "Share of economy and population held by Chinese people" are reliable. The linked source in the Wikimedia Commons page is nothing like a peer-reviewed scientific article nor official statistics, it's a Powerpoint presentation that does not cite any sources.Otrebor81 (talk)16:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider amove reviewafter discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sources or evidence that support this as a commonname? Previous discussion did not provide evidence for such opposition. For instance the article about Indians overseas is now Indian diaspora.WikiCleanerMan (talk)14:01, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think with any reasonable familiarity with the English-language literature on the subject, it's clear which term is more common. Anyway, here's some evidence: "Overseas Chinese" is 3-4 times more common in recent publications on Ngrams[2] and about seven times more common on Google Scholar[3][4]
See below. Then perhaps the article in itself is not diaspora related then. Because if the name Chinese diaspora like Indian, French, or Japanese diaspora articles are of a different subject matter than diaspora information shouldn't be included, then Huáqiáo or literally Overseas Chinese should be confined to it outside of what we have currently.WikiCleanerMan (talk)20:35, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your relatives are not an relevant argument or a RS. Overseas is just a word for a location. For instance in the article's case, Chinese diplomats can be considered Overseas Chinese, but the term is for expatriates as indicated by categorization of country A's ambassador cats in county B. The word Huaqiao refers to people of Chinese citizenship residing outside of either the PRC or ROC (Taiwan) - as stated in the article. No mention of people who are of Chinese descent from PRC or Taiwan. Overseas Chinese is a literal translation. Huáyì (华裔; 華裔) refers to people of Chinese descent or ancestry residing outside of China, regardless of citizenship. A diaspora is a population that is scattered across regions which are separate from its geographic place of origin. Not necessarily people from the place of origin, but also people of the populations background, i.e. ethnicity.One source.
The vast majority of articles use diaspora and the categorization uses the word as well. I doubt that other articles that use the word diaspora is wrong.
However, I think the concept of Overseas Chinese is more a political term and the article at points looks as an article for a political term incorporating diaspora information.WikiCleanerMan (talk)20:32, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please cite awp:policy and explain how it justified your proposed move. Not only do you seem entirely unfamiliar with the standard use of the term ‘overseas Chinese’, but it’s also hard to see how your individual claims about its use are meant to justify the RM.Docentation (talk)01:50, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Overseas Chinese seems to be a narrow translation ofHuáqiáo (华侨; 華僑). However, as the article describes, it covers much more than just the topic of Chinese citizens outside China. It addresses the topic of those who have been naturalized as a citizen of another country and lost their PRC citizenship, as well as descendants of Chinese emigrants. Thus, as the article addresses the entire scope of the Chinese diaspora, that would be a more appropriate article title.
Overseas Chinese is the most common term in English for ethnic Chinese in other countries, including (to use your phrasing) "those who have been naturalized as a citizen of another country and lost their PRC citizenship, as well as descendants of Chinese emigrants". Both 华侨 and 华裔 are overseas Chinese. —Mx. Granger (talk·contribs)11:22, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
‘Overseas Chinese’ is regularly used to describe ethnic Chinese who do not have citizenship of the PRC or ROC. Just look at the references. Here are the first three easily accessible ones.
[5] talks about ethnic Chinese overseas who retain ties after many generations, most of whom have local rather than PRC/ROC citizenship.
[6] describes people both citizens and not citizens of the PRC as ‘Chinese overseas’.
[7] refers to Singaporean Chinese as overseas Chinese (most of whom are not PRC/ROC citizens).
Oppose. Clearly not thecommon name per Mx. Granger'sNgrams and Scholar searches. Using a commonly recognizable name overrides concerns about consistency with other articles, as the former matters a lot more to readers. Being the common name, the current title is more recognizable and natural, which are two of theWP:article title criteria against one (consistency). (In concision and precision both titles are evenly matched.) The citizenship thing is ared herring.Toadspike[Talk]22:05, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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