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I think the Nokia 2 and 2.2 (and 2.1) shouldn't be merged because they are very different phones from different generations of HMD global devices and there will be more 2.x phones in the future - 26/8/19FormularSumo
I agree. Plus Google starts the countdown onAndroid One OS and security updates when each phone is released. 2.2 will still be getting updates when 2.1 has finished getting updates. The Nokia versions are listed separately on the Android One page.
"Nokia 2.2" is a single unit, a definite name, a proper noun and a core noun,is not part of the lexical representation, and is not phrasal. Unless qualified with 'device' and 'phone' at the end, putting the definite article is grammatically incorrect. It should be noted, that putting the definite article before a core name is a very common mistake, even among native speakers of English, but way more common amongst people, to whom English is not their mother tongue.
One of theNOTs is "noun + number": "Nokia 2.2" is the same as "room 221", where the definite article isverboten. -Mardus/talk02:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that 'the' should be used. Phone models are always referred to as 'the', whether that's technically correct or not, it's what sounds correct to most people.FormularSumo (talk)09:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What may sound correct, is not grammatically correct. Noun+number is not preceded by the definite article, for the same reason that 'Room 123' is not preceded by the definite article either. -Mardus/talk16:04, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As perthis, "this is basically a question about whether something is countable or not. iPhones and iPads (and Nokia 2.2s) are countable things. As such, they take articles, such as a/an and the."This site also supports the "the Nokia 2.2" phrase, and both specifically deal with using articles before product names.RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk04:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're referring to a forum opinion by someone who is not even a native speaker of English, while my above links refer to the works of an academic and a teacher, both of whom have a degree in English.
We use the definite article before iPhones, iPods, and iPads, because in each, the core words are 'phone', 'pad', and 'pod', which are all descriptive nouns: therefore, "the i Phone", "the i Pod", "the i Pad", were the 'i' properly separated from their core words (nouns).
Whereas the definite article is not used as soon as a model number or like construct is used: "iPhone 4" (disregard the current revision of its Wikipedia article, wherethe is wrongly used), "iPhone SE", which is a single unit and a proper noun. Adding the definite article would transform the word 'iPhone' into the property of 'SE', which is incorrect.
I'll refer to a couple forum posts myself, which offer correct advice about using definite articles before proper names; here, one byuser ERFrance.
User bib isvery clear: iPhones, iPads, and iPods are countable, whereasWindows 7 is not. 'Nokia 2.2' is not countable either, despite the fact, that it's a smartphone, too.
David Appleyard's Guide to Article Usage in English was also included as an exhibit in anamicus curiae brief submitted to a casein the court of law at the Michigan Supreme Court, which is a high marker of the quality of Mr. Appleyard's work.
'Nokia 2.2', therefore, is such a noun followed by a categorising letter or number, and Nokia is also a company name.
When a designation follows a common noun, that noun phrase does not allow the definite article. It doesn't matter whether those designations are numbers, letters, proper names, or anything else. — user Gary Botnovcan.
Also:
"...[A] postpositive number inherently marks the noun phrase as definite." They have the effect of 'marking a noun phrase as definite and blocking at least articlesa andthe.' — per Janus Bahs Jacquet.
I apologise only for accidentally pressing the 'Return' button before managing to provide the proper revert nationale forthis revert, but the above links and explanations should serve as sufficient rationale for the revert. -Mardus/talk16:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for participating in this discussion,Lambian. Do you happen to know whether this grammar rule ("the" before a product name) has a particular name? I was looking for a name for this and some English academic discussing about it since@Mardus: appeared to insist on seeing an academic discussing it.RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk09:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) It's not what some grammarian in an ivory tower tries to force on the great unwashed. It's what anyreasonable native speaker would say, and that's "the Nokia 2.2".Clarityfiend (talk)09:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Put the "the"s in. This is no different from car makes and models. We say "the Ford Mustang" or "the Chrysler Sebring" and so on. --Khajidha (talk)19:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, put them in. I'm not qualified of course, not being an academic and a teacher, both of whom have a degree in English, but I think here Mardus fell into a fallacy, as 'the Nokia 2.2' isnot at all like 'room 221', but rather like 'the guest room": the '2.2' is not a serial (I have had several phones from Nokia, this one is my second and a fifth) but a class name, just like 'Divo', 'Mustang' and '2CV'
Beside that the autority in WP ist the source. So if most reputable sources write "Nokia 2.2" without article, be it without article, but if most reputable sources write it with article then it must be with article. All arguments based on grammar rules and academics' opinions constitute Original Research, andthis is really very muchverboten, yeah. (talk)2003:F5:6F05:BC00:744A:96C9:C7E9:8B5 (talk)22:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Marco PB[reply]
Correct: "The Nokia 2.2 runs Android"
Correct: "The Nokia 2.2 runs the Android operating system"
Correct: "Nokia [referring to the company] uses the Android operating system"
Correct: "The Nokia [referring to an individual smartphone] runs the Android operating system"
Wrong: "Nokia 2.2 runs the Android"
Wrong: "Nokia 2.2 runs Android operating system"
Wrong: "Nokia [referring to an individual smartphone] uses the Android operating system"
Wrong: "The Nokia [referring to the company] uses the Android operating system"
