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The result of the move request was:moved.(closed by non-admin page mover)Jeffrey34555 (talk)05:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
– I cannot find any English language source referring to this as "Militar" (all I find refer to it with its English translation, "military"), with "militar" being the actual Spanish word for "military" which, seemingly, was left untranslated from the title. Plus, the sources I see actually translatedirectorio as "directorate", rather than "directory" ([1][2][3][4][5]). Thus, it should use "military directorate" as perWP:COMMONNAME andWP:ENGLISH.
Also, as perWP:NCCAPS, since the title does not use "directory" as a proper name by itself but, rather, as a common word ([the military directorateof Primo de Rivera], rather than [the Military Directorate] as inFrench Directory), it should be left uncapitalized (in the same way as other pages for government cabinets, particularly for Spanish governments—such asThird government of Pedro Sánchez—but also others such asStarmer ministry,Merz cabinet, etc.). The same would apply toCivil Directory of Primo de Rivera, but in that case there are no translation issues. Since both titles should follow the same structure and formatting—being so closely related—requesting a multiple page move seems wiser.
Finally, the full "Miguel Primo de Rivera" name should be added to respectWP:CONSISTENCY with other articles on governments in Spain (Third government of Pedro Sánchez,Premiership of Pedro Sánchez, etc.), as well asWP:PRECISE (Miguel was not the only politically relevant "Primo de Rivera", as his eldest son,José Antonio Primo de Rivera, was the founder ofFalange Española andFalange Española de las JONS, which would provide the political platforms for thedictatorship of Francisco Franco).Impru20talk 07:53, 16 August 2025 (UTC)— Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk12:09, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Obvious support as nom.Impru20talk07:54, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Inclined to support, but I am seeing 'directory' more often than 'directorate'.Srnec (talk)00:52, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that some sources using "directory" are actuallyWikipedia mirrors ([6]), whereas others are very recent or typically direct translations of works/theses in Spanish ([7], suggesting they could have used the term used in Wikipedia as a source), whereas "directorate" is used by more reputable sources and journals (aside of the ones mentioned above, which includeThe New York Times:[8][9][10][11], or evengovernment sources). The various definitions of the words that we can find also support "directorate" over "directory" as a less ambiguous term (even if both can be used interchangeably sometimes):
- Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
- Directorate[12][13]: 1)a section of a government department in charge of one particular activity; 2)the group of directors who run a company.
- Directory[14][15]: 1)a book or electronic resource containing lists of information, usually in alphabetical order, for example people’s phone numbers or the names and addresses of businesses in a particular area; 2)a file containing a group of other files or programs in a computer; 3)a board in an organization or large store listing the names of departments and where to find them.
- Merriam-Webster:
- Directorate: 1)the office of director; 2a)a board of directors (as of a corporation); 2b)membership on a board of directors; and 3)an executive staff (as of a department).
- Directory: 1a)a book or collection of directions, rules, or ordinances; 1b)an alphabetical or classified list (as of names and addresses); 2)a body of directors; and 3)an organizational element of a computer operating system used to group files or other folders together.
- Encyclopædia Britannica:
- Directorate: 1)a group of managers who control a company or corporation : a board of directors; and 2)a group of people who are in charge of a program or department.
- Directory: 1)a book that contains an alphabetical list of names of people, businesses, etc..
- Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
- Directorate: 1)a department or organization that is responsible for one particular thing; 2)a group of directors; 3)a department or organization that is responsible for one particular thing, especially in government; and 4)a group of managers who control a company or an organization.
- Directory: 1)a book that gives a list of names, addresses, or other facts; 2)a list of telephone numbers, names, addresses, or other information; 3)a book that gives a list of names, addresses, or other facts; and 4)an area in a computer's memory where files or programs are stored.
- Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English:
- Directorate: 1)the group of directors who run a company; and 2)a department of a government or large organization in charge of a particular area or activity.
- Directory: 1) a book or list of names, facts etc, usually arranged in alphabetical order; and 2)a place in a computer where files or programs are organized.
- Collins English Dictionary:
- Directorate: 1)A directorate is a board of directors in a company or organization; and 2)A directorate is a part of a government department which is responsible for one particular thing.
- Directory: 1)A directory is a book which gives lists of facts, for example people's names, addresses, and phone numbers, or the names and addresses of business companies, usually arranged in alphabetical order; 2)A directory is an area of a computer disk which contains one or more files or other directories; and 3)On the internet, a directory is a list of the subjects that you can find information on.
- Wiktionary:
- Directorate: 1)An agency headed by a director, usually a subdivision of a major government department; and 2)A body of directors.
- Directory: 1)A list of names, addresses etc, of specific classes of people or organizations, often in alphabetical order or in some classification; 2)(computing) A structured listing of the names and characteristics of the files on a storage device; 3)(computing) A virtual container in a computer's file system, in which files and other directories may be stored. The files and subdirectories in a directory are usually related; and 4)(politics) A form of government with a collegial executive whose members jointly exercise power; the executive of such a government (synonym: directorate).
- We also have the disambiguation pageDirectorio literally translating the word as
Spanish forDirectorate
. - Also, while not directly related tothis subject, theCIA has also used the term "military directorate" in the context of Spain ([16]).Impru20talk19:51, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, the dictionary is why I'm inclined to support, but I am not checking Wikipedia mirrors and news sites. GScholar results:
- 46 hits for "civil directory" "Primo de rivera" vs25 hits for "civil directorate" "Primo de rivera"
- 161 hits for "military directory" "Primo de rivera" vs102 hits for "military directorate" "Primo de rivera"
- —Srnec (talk)00:34, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Not a spectacular difference, and many of those are a result of Spanish translations (in Spanish, it seems more straightforward to translatedirectorio as "directory" rather than "directorate" due to the former being shorter, despite the latter being actually less ambiguous). Nonetheless, I think we can source both in the lead section so that people know that both are used (as perWP:UEIA; a good example of this would beFrench Directory).Impru20talk05:57, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note:WikiProject Spain andWikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion.TarnishedPathtalk12:09, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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