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Composer project review

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I've reviewed this article for theComposers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class; it needs a listing of his works, and an enlarged discussion of his influence, especially onThe Five. The detailed review is on thecomments page; questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page.Magic♪piano21:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gay musicians (category)

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He was married, was interested in women all his life, and the only thing I can see that could possibly shed any doubt on his heterosexuality is "In Spain, Glinka met Don Pedro Fernandez, who remained his secretary andcompanion for the last nine years of his life". Companion does not necessarily mean any kind of sexual partner. I'm removing him from "Gay musicians" unless something more substantial can be provided (if it exists). --JackofOz (talk)08:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Classical?

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He was a composer of the Romantic period, not Classical. He cannot be a founder of the Russian Classical music because Classical period was already over. --146.95.15.37 (talk)18:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Fountainhead'

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...is often regarded as the fountainhead of Russian classical music.

– 'Fountainhead,' though intelligible, is not a word typically employed in such a context in English – Ayn Rand notwithstanding. Is this an attempt to avoid putative gender bias by not saying "the father of Russian classical music," which would be more usual? If so, it seems artificial and awkward, IMO.Sca (talk)21:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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The comment(s) below were originally left atTalk:Mikhail Glinka/CommentsTalk:Mikhail Glinka/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Followingseveral discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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==Composers Project Assessment of Mikhail Glinka: 2008-12-9==

This is an assessment of articleMikhail Glinka by a member of theComposers project, according to itsassessment criteria. This review was done byMagicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS,WP:WIAGA,WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awardingGood Article orFeatured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies===Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

  • Good coverage, but when did Grandma die?

===Early career===Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

  • OK

===Mature career===Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

  • OK

===List(s) of works===Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

  • No works list.

===Critical appreciation===Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

  • The nature of his influence on The Five is barely mentioned.

===Illustrations and sound clips===Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brieffair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply withimage use policy andnon-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

  • OK images; no sound clips.

===References, sources and bibliography===Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to passGood Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation,should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

  • Article has references; limited inline citations, in inconsistent style

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS===Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especiallyWP:MOS,WP:LEAD,WP:LAYOUT, and possiblyWP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

  • The lead is short.

===Things that may be necessary to pass aGood Article review===

  • Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
  • Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD)
  • Article text formatting needs work (e.g. quotation methods, punctuation, inconsistent styles) (citation style)

===Summary===This is a reasonably complete biography, giving a picture of the man as person, professional, and composer. As a composer, there is little discussion of his style beyond the two operas. There is also not even a list of notable works, never mind a complete list; this is a serious failing in an article about a composer. I find that the discussion of his influences and reception could use more bulk; he is an important figure in Russian music, and this deserves space. There is no substantive discussion of his personal interactions with any ofThe Five, or his musical influence on them, although it is claimed in the lead (and is amply documented elsewhere) that he and/or his music were notably influential on them.

The article is generally well-structured. The lead is short, and it is generally lacking in inline citations. At one point the article linksIvanov; this goes to a disambiguation page, and should be resolved.

Article is B-class; it will require a works list and more on his influence to improve.Magic♪piano21:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 21:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC).Substituted at 00:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Glinkastrasse

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There is a street in Berlin, named Glinkastrasse, nominated for "own" subway station (e.g. to commemorate Glinka, Berlin wanted to rename existing subway station -- and move from a "Mavre Street" Mohrestrasse to "Glinka Street", Glinkastrasse). I am a bit too busy to learn the detals and gather all the e-books via free official sources -- so I only want to remind editors to use free ebooks (Google Books, Gutenberg project etc.) to make their proofs solid.

Uchyotka (talk)17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The current text reads:
In the wake of the George Floyd protests, the Berlin U-Bahn station Mohrenstraße was proposed to be renamed "Glinkastraße", which is adjacent to the station.
…which doesn't quite make sense, does it? How can the station be adjacent to itself? –AndyFielding (talk)09:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Long stretches of narrative, non cited text

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the biography section is particularly devoid of sources for multiple paragraphs at a time. This really needs some refining and returned to a more "encyclopedic" text style. It's too florid and glib at times, missing citations, notwithstanding.Deliusfan (talk)01:31, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

seriously, what is this??
"He soon embarked on his second opera, Ruslan and Lyudmila. The plot, based on the tale by Alexander Pushkin, was concocted in 15 minutes by Konstantin Bakhturin, a poet who was drunk at the time. Consequently, the opera is a dramatic muddle, yet the quality of Glinka's music is higher than in A Life for the Tsar."
This is a free fantasy, not a factual biography. This is unfortunate, because Glinka is an important subject in music history (hence the "fountainhead" debate discussed in these pages).
How does one tag sections to demand sources? I've seen this show up in other, better written, more authoritative articles where people were more critical and demanding.Deliusfan (talk)04:25, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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