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Is there a similar list about christian, muslim and hindi people?—The precedingunsigned comment was added by85.224.176.181 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 27 November 2005.
There is a misunderstanding here, Jewish is not just a religion it is an ethnicity too, and yes there are many lists for other ethnicities such as African Americans etc.Arniep23:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC) (But unlike African Americans, Jews are not differentiated by how they look--but by their religion or identification with history. So many people who are descended from Jews do not identify with the religion or history--or are even "anti-semitic". So can they be classified as Jews, if they don't see themselves as Jews? No. So adding them to a list of Jews is a somewhat like the Nazis classifying every person who has a bit of what they called "Jewish blood" (of course nonesense) as Jewish! If anything this page is an attempt at guessing the religious beliefs or traditions of famous personalities!)[reply]
There are lists forEVERY major American ethnicity. If there weren't before than there sure are now, I've spent the last few months adding any absent ones. There are also lists and categories for all religions.Vulturell23:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Arniep and Vulturel. Reminds me, I created from scratch a list of persons from a similar ethnicity, the Druze. The list is in Dutch:w:nl:Lijst_van_bekende_Druzen (I see that someone vandalised it). I will see if I can find time to translate it to English. 22:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Don't Forget Hefner's GF: Barbie Benton (Born Barbara Kline)
Which law? In which countries? And have you noticed the message at the top that previous attempts to delete this have failed?JFW | T@lk08:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably pointless to say this, but I agree that these lists should be deleted. I find them deeply problematic, ranging from there being no agreed or consistent definition; to identifying people as Jews who may not see themselves as Jews and who no one else may see as a Jew either; and then there's the issue that for some of the names on these lists, the only online sources are Stormfront, Islamist sites and Wikipedia mirrors, which I think should make us question what we're doing.SlimVirgin(talk)08:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Having a few LIMITED lists of VERY famous Jews is interesting and acceptable when restricted to such individuals as people of Jewish ancestry that had won Nobel Prizes. But over the past year, these lists and categories of Jews have gotten crazily out of hand, and may even pose a danger to living (allegedly "Jewish") people on them when put into the wrong hands. The vast majority of Wikipedia lists and categories of Jews are not of any encyclopedic or of scholarly value and on the whole the total project of collecting names of Jews seems like a violation ofWikipedia:No original research. Finally, and here is one of the great dangers posed by these lists and categories of Jews, is that Wikipedia is not and should not appear to be in the same "line of business" of the abominableJew Watch hate site.IZAK04:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Vulturell:Jews are different. They are both a religion and an "ethnicity" (compare theJew andJudaism articles), and they have been the victims of ongoings persecutions for most of their history (or do you deny that?). You do seem to denigrate ("Same old, same old" are your words) and deliberately ignore the fact that, unfortunately, historically Jews have been victims ofgenocidalAnti-Semitism as inthe Holocaust when being identified as a Jew, no matter how remotely, could result in a death sentence (or do you wish to ignore and belittle that as well?) That is whyJew Watch is so obnoxious and dangerous. This matter is of particular concern to any people who are alive and find themslves on lists or categories that they may not want to be on. There are some pretty nasty debates going on about similar and related issues right now on Wikipedia concerning people who do not wish to have articles about them published on Wikipedia, so I wouldn't poo-poo it so quickly if I were you.IZAK06:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, of course part of my point is we have many religion-based lists too, etc. etc. i.e.List_of_Catholic_American_Actors, etc. etc. So, your point here was, that basically we should delete the List of Jews and keep every other ethnicity and religion based list? Not a valid point. Armenians were slaughtered in the millions about a hundred years ago, no one is complaining aboutList of Armenians. Oh, and for the lovva, don't follow the cliche and go around reverting every one of my edits (well, every one that had to do with this subject matter, as per usual). Anyway, frankly, I'm not going to get involved in this discussion again. I am in sincere doubt that there is anything we could possibly say to each other that we both don't already know. Counter-productive. Thank you for your vote on the Somerhalder hoax, btw, I can't believe it was on here for three months without anyone noticing. I guess people were too busy debating this endless topic.Vulturell06:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I find this list useful in the scholarly sense. I think this list exist for many other groups so a list for outstanding Jewish individuals is not exceptional . Jews are overly paranoid about everything even though they run all major institutions from banks, universities, to political parties. To all my Jewish friends: don't be so paranoid and people won't hate you.
1) Fact: From previous discussions we have seen that some people do not want others to view a list of Jews.2) Assuming that if I was that person who did not want people to view such list of Jews, I might find it strategic to break up the list into excessive categories. This way my audience couldn't view a SIMPLE LIST OF JEWS.3) So I believe we must also make a list of Jews categorized by ALPHABETICAL ORDER RATHER THAN, OR IN ADDITION TO, CATEGORIZATION BY PROFESSION. Why should we unecessarily force readers to know an attribute about the Jew (like profession) and subsequently FORCE THEM TO ISOLATE ALL OTHER JEWS?
Which law? In which countries? And have you noticed the message at the top that previous attempts to delete this have failed?JFW | T@lk08:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably pointless to say this, but I agree that these lists should be deleted. I find them deeply problematic, ranging from there being no agreed or consistent definition; to identifying people as Jews who may not see themselves as Jews and who no one else may see as a Jew either; and then there's the issue that for some of the names on these lists, the only online sources are Stormfront, Islamist sites and Wikipedia mirrors, which I think should make us question what we're doing.SlimVirgin(talk)08:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Having a few LIMITED lists of VERY famous Jews is interesting and acceptable when restricted to such individuals as people of Jewish ancestry that had won Nobel Prizes. But over the past year, these lists and categories of Jews have gotten crazily out of hand, and may even pose a danger to living (allegedly "Jewish") people on them when put into the wrong hands. The vast majority of Wikipedia lists and categories of Jews are not of any encyclopedic or of scholarly value and on the whole the total project of collecting names of Jews seems like a violation ofWikipedia:No original research. Finally, and here is one of the great dangers posed by these lists and categories of Jews, is that Wikipedia is not and should not appear to be in the same "line of business" of the abominableJew Watch hate site.IZAK04:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Vulturell:Jews are different. They are both a religion and an "ethnicity" (compare theJew andJudaism articles), and they have been the victims of ongoings persecutions for most of their history (or do you deny that?). You do seem to denigrate ("Same old, same old" are your words) and deliberately ignore the fact that, unfortunately, historically Jews have been victims ofgenocidalAnti-Semitism as inthe Holocaust when being identified as a Jew, no matter how remotely, could result in a death sentence (or do you wish to ignore and belittle that as well?) That is whyJew Watch is so obnoxious and dangerous. This matter is of particular concern to any people who are alive and find themslves on lists or categories that they may not want to be on. There are some pretty nasty debates going on about similar and related issues right now on Wikipedia concerning people who do not wish to have articles about them published on Wikipedia, so I wouldn't poo-poo it so quickly if I were you.IZAK06:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, of course part of my point is we have many religion-based lists too, etc. etc. i.e.List_of_Catholic_American_Actors, etc. etc. So, your point here was, that basically we should delete the List of Jews and keep every other ethnicity and religion based list? Not a valid point. Armenians were slaughtered in the millions about a hundred years ago, no one is complaining aboutList of Armenians. Oh, and for the lovva, don't follow the cliche and go around reverting every one of my edits (well, every one that had to do with this subject matter, as per usual). Anyway, frankly, I'm not going to get involved in this discussion again. I am in sincere doubt that there is anything we could possibly say to each other that we both don't already know. Counter-productive. Thank you for your vote on the Somerhalder hoax, btw, I can't believe it was on here for three months without anyone noticing. I guess people were too busy debating this endless topic.Vulturell06:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ive noticed these lists don't include (in)famous criminals, perverts, traitors, etc. Bugsy Segal of the Jewish Mafia for example. I haven't looked to see if there are lists of famous terrorists of various races, religions or nationalities. But all these bad guys should be included according to our neutrality & balance & "due weight" rules.Fourtildas06:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just reverted Sheynhertz-Unbayg's edit by mistake, so I reverted myself, without commenting on whether I think the edits were good or bad, because I've no idea. Sorry for any confusion.SlimVirgin(talk)10:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you're so against the "anti-list deletion trend" why doyou keep on nominating this page for deletion, without any warranted reason? I suggest basing your wikipedia actions on what you actually think should or shouldn't be included, not your quest of veangance after someone nominated Lists of Muslims for deletion.Yid61308:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is perfectly legal to AFD a article witout supporting its deletion. Or did you just made up a new rule? I have even AFD my own new articles that i knew where controversial, just to get it overwith. AFD is a disscussion, and i want that disscution to involve this article as well. user CltFn wanted this SPECIFIC article deleted and so did even the nominator it self, for a while! Dont delet tags in mid afd, that is a violation. --Striver11:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, an article being "controversial" does not mean that there are grounds for deletion. I suggest you read up on wikipedia policy again.Yid61318:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How is this list RELEVANT to this index? It belongs in theList of Jewish Americans index. This an index for non-nation-tied Jewish lists - thats forList of Jews by country. Same theory goes behind the Israeli list - it is inappropriate here, especially considering not all Israeli are Jewish.
The following is to help User:Newport understand the changes that have been made. Wikipedia lists are usually indexes. In the case of Jewish lists, there are two separate indexes:
While the Israeli list is totally inappropriate here because not all Israelis are Jews. It would be the equivalent of adding aList of Brooklynites toList of Jews. Put the Israeli list in another index - most clearly:List of Israelis.
What Wikipedia policy or even statement in this article requires it to be just a List of Jews by occupation? This list is a guidepost to people exploring lists of Jews. Will the deletions make the list more useful?If anyone can show that they do, then by all means let's make the deletions.--Newport11:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why does "List of Jewish American linguists" get to be here but not "List of Jewish American architects." Why are you so pointlessly stubborn about this? What harm does it do to put "List of Jewish American linguists" in its rightful place:List of Jewish Americans? I have no idea why you keep re-miscategorizing it.
Also from what I looked at,list of fictitious Jews has the wholeList of Jewish superheroes inside of it.....hence the redirect. Why are you continuously making two different pages for the same material?
If anyone think the List of Jewish American architects should be here, please add it. The linguists is a side issue; other entries are repeatedly being deleted for unexplained reasons. The issue is whether these deletions make the article more useful; I have seen no evidence for that contention. --Newport11:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that this list was up for deletion almost a year ago. While my personal view point thinks that listing people by religion or birth place is moot point for an encyclopaedia, i feel that a list like this can be a useful "tool" while navigating wikipedia. The problem is, wikipedia isnot supposed to be a collection of lists. Wouldn't this list be much better as a category? Same with list of christians, catholics, italian americans etc. I mean, honestly, is this list really necessary when we have categories?Masterhatch20:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Come on, Gzuckier. Lots of Jews (and Gentiles) get nervous when long lists of Jews start to get drawn up. I'm sure you can figure out why--though that's not a reason for eliminating such a list, of course.
I second that - why has that list been deleted? Is it unreasonable for me to want to find out accomplishments of people from my religious/ethnic group?::Monitorer10:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that the list of Jewish Nobel Laureates was deleted during a mass deletion of lists of Christian/Muslim/Atheist/Humanist/Hindu Nobel Laureates. Reasons given were that Nobel prizes are not awarded on the basis of religion, and that there is no obvious connection between a Laureate's work and her religion. My objections are, firstly, Jews are more an ethnicity than a religious grouping. And, secondly, it is precisely because of the assumption that there is no connection between being Jewish and winning Nobel prizes that the List of Jewish Nobel Laureates should be kept, since it completely shatters that assumption. If being Jewish is not a factor in winning Nobel Prizes, then why do Jews make up 20-25% of Nobel Laureates despite being just 0.2% of the world's population? (I hope I'm remembering those numbers correctly.) This is a very interesting fact that should be documented, as it is the focus of much debate and scholarship.Phtran7212:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey I think its a great idea to add a section dedicated to Jewish Jewelers. There are many prominent Jewish Jewelers out there; enough to make a whole sction about. Im new to wikipedia but I think someone with more knowledge can create this.Levi Seigel (talk)02:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone else think this article should be moved to "List of Notable Jews". Seeing a link to "List of Jews" was a little strange for me (i'm sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't see any other topics that IMMIEDIETLY looked like they were regarding the name).30daysinAKK (talk)02:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You miss the point. It would be redundant in terms of Wikipedia policies to add the word "Notable". The list isautomatically understood to be of notable Jewsonly because non-notable personalities and subjects are not considered for inclusion and are deleted on Wikipedia.IZAK (talk)06:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know this has been pointed out (many times) before, but why a list of e.g.Hispanicbaseball players would be pointless and kind of racist, but these are not? Can't see any difference...— Precedingunsigned comment added by120.148.214.126 (talk •contribs) 12:15, 9 December 2013
No. Wikipedia has the exact same pages forLists of Muslims,List of Hindus, and others, and there are even somelists of Hisanics as well. So there's also this one, and nothing is racist about it whatsoever, and, of course, it's only your own opinion which thinks the page is pointless. Keep in mind that any person can be a Jew either by convertion, religion, or just ethnicity. -Shalom11111 (talk)19:16, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think these lists are important because they help us take care oforphaned articles. So, if the subject of the orphaned article is a Jew, just add his name to the appropriate list of Jews; if he's a Muslim, add him to the list of Muslims, and so on.------07:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
