Talk:List of experimental cat breeds
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I'm moving this (on the assertion that the move will not be controversial) toList of experimental cat breeds, since that term is common and can be sourced, and away fromList of minority cat breeds, which is a made-up term, and doesn't work in this context. Every rare breed, including some established for centuries, is in the minority compared to "moggies" (mongrels) and common purebreds like the Siamese. We could and perhaps should have an entire separate article atList of rare cat breeds, based on sourced population information (and should probably exclude experimentals from the list, since they are rare by definition, but mention them as group in passing); this would match the category structure we already have underCategory:Cat breeds. It also does not make sense to apply "minority", a term usually reserved for human ethnicities, to domestic animal breeds; no one writes of "cattle minorities", "minority horse populations", or "minority breeds of dog". Some other potential alternatives also do not work, e.g. "provisional breed", which is a term used by specific registries for competition classification purposes (any particular breed may be provisional in one registry, fully accepted in another, and rejected by all others). While "experimental" is also used in this way by some registries, the term has broad applicability outside them, to all forms of experimental domestic animal breeding, and is not limited to cat breeding; we could easily have aList of experimental dog breeds, etc. "Exotic breed" is a misnomer; "exotic" really means "from a foreign source", and is thus entirely relative. To the extent that "exotic" has a special meaning as aterm of art in pet-keeping and animal-control circles, it refers to wild animals, and F1 hybrids, kept (often illegally) as dangerous pets; it does not relate to the topic of this article (except asfoundation stock for some of these breeds, but that's also true of no-longer experimental or "rare" breeds such as theBengal cat). "Designer breed" is generally a pejorative, and failsWP:NPOV, though I have redirected it here, with{{R from pejorative}}. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 12:59, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I think Perfold (PerFold) should be removed perWP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE. A Google search onperfold cat standard -wikipedia[1] brings up no info that I can see indicating that this is a real breed, recognized by anyone (not even Rare and Exotic Feline Registry, Catz Inc., or other super-permissive registries). This appears to beWP:NFT stuff, a "backyard breeder" experiment being marketed for money. It'll also need to be removed fromList of cat breeds, since, well, it's not a breed. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirectElf cat and has thus listed itfor discussion. This discussion will occur atWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 31#Elf cat until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.Steel1943 (talk)07:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted this addition to the article by an anon, since it cited no sources:
The Australian Satin is a rex cat with a satin sparkle it comes in shorthair and Longhair. It is derived from a recessive mutation discovered in Domestic cats in Australia. The foundation cats were bred to Munchkins cats as the founder was already breeding munchkins and domestics were the allowed outcross. This breeding allowed for pedigree record keeping, whilst the genetic inheritance was learned, although the end goal is a cat without the dwarf gene.
— SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 16:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
List of experimental cat breeds#Tiffanie directly contradictsTiffanie cat. SeeTalk:Tiffanie cat#Contradiction between two articles for discussion. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 17:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: The "Tiffanie (Burmilla Longhair, Asian Semi-longhair)" should probably just be removed from this article, after the "Australian" contridiction is resolved. The main Tiffanie breed has been long accepted in half a dozen registries and is no longer experimental. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 05:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did some cleanup work here a while back, but it needs a lot more. About 1/3 of the entires are completely unsourced. I do not count as "sourcing" the fact that the list of nominally accepted breeds at REFR mentions some of these names but without any pages of information about them at that site (all that indicates is that REFR is aware that someone somewhere asserts that they are working on a breed by that name, but REFR has no details about it). — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 18:03, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ApparentlyLivre officiel des origines félines (LOOF) has approved an experimental breed called the Celestial, a dominant-blue-eye mutation that doesn't have the lethal birth defects of the now-extinctOjos Azules. It's mentioned in the final section of the latter article, though I don't have any further information about it at present. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 04:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted that unsourced and unsourceable mini-section. This is one single breeder's "backyard breeding" experiment with aChausie crossbreed, and there are no sources available for this that are not promotional material from the breeder, repetition of that material in social media by someone else, or repetition of WP's own unsourced claims. The claim of recognition by REFR is false; I checked. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 04:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was even worse than "Stone Cougar": there are zero google hits of any kind for "Seltic cat" other than WP, and stuff copying it. This was probably a hoax. The one claimed "backyard breeder" registry that was said to recognize this has been defunct since 2015, and no "Seltic" was ever listed on recoverable versions of their website, so it's not even verifiable that an experimental breed of this name once existed. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 05:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yet more completely unverifiable claims; there's no source I can find on this alleged breed, and TICA has no information about it despite claim being made here of an application for recognition. That entire entry appeared to be sore confusion about what "jungle cat" means (Felis chaus), and a bad misreading of REFR's information on Jungle Curl (an entry we should retain but repair to actually agree with the source; I'll do that next). — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 22:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
REFR recognizes something called the Hemingway Curl or Canadian Hemingway Curl. It is on their accepted breeds list[3], and also mentioned here[4], but they do not presently have any detailed information about it. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 22:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rm. another unsourceable entry, especially since it makes what appear to beWP:BLP claims about a German woman. There's no sourcing available for this that isn't regurgitation of WP's own claims (WP:CIRCULAR). The only independent sourcing I can find for either term (and not reliable sourcing, but blog/forum stuff), indicates "poodlecat" is simply a nickname for cats with therex mutation, so I have redirected it toRex mutation#Cats. A cat (apparently just a single one, but maybe there was a breeding attempt) in Germany calledPudelkatze is mentioned in the history ofRex mutation#Named mutations, but I can find no evidence of any breed establishment (extinct or not), so I've redirected the German term to that section. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have sourced that section to the extent possible, which is poorly. It can be demonstrated to have been an actual breed-establishment attempt in the 2000s, but all the evidence suggests it was abandoned some time after 2006. — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 04:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should be here.148.170.216.164 (talk)06:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
