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It might be worth removing the "Three Stories About Joan" from filmography, given as how, as near as I can tell it, the movie didn't actually get made:http://www.themovieblog.com/2009/03/bruce-willis-getting-sues-over-three-stories-about-joan/https://www.oneindia.com/2009/03/03/three-stories-about-joan-lawsuit-frivolous-says-bruce-wil.html— Precedingunsigned comment added by2604:2000:1482:588:F4F9:5EED:3605:5C9F (talk)22:23, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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kieran culkin wasn't filmed in "Home Alone", his brother Macaulay Culkin was.99.228.140.115 (talk)04:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Kieran Culkin was also inHome Alone, as Kevin's cousin Fuller, seeHome Alone § Cast.Skynxnex (talk)14:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, so I added a paragraph about his Oscar speech. (It's gone viral mainly for asking his wife for a 4th child during his speech, and partially because the beginning to Jeremy Strong had to be bleeped out.) I put in my edit summary that if someone wanted to phrase it differently, I totally understand, as I wasn't sure *exactly* how to write about it and I may have kept too much of the quote. Then an editor deleted it, calling it "trivia," which I wholeheartedly disagree with because it's not a "disorganized and unselective collection of facts or examples" or even part of that. It's context about the night of his Best Oscar win. It is also "supported by reliable secondary sources that discuss the subject's cultural impact." So, I reinstated it.

A different editor deleted itagain with no edit summary. So, to prevent endless edit warring, I'm coming to the talk page to talk about it.

Wikipedia is allowed to have more than justthe absolute most important facts about someone. Over and over again in wikipedia's rules it talks about different levels of depth and how some readers may only want a brief overview (like the lead section) and some may want a much more comprehensive read. Culkin's speech had extensive coverage across several publications (e.g. CNN, Today Show, ABC, NBC, Town & Country, Slate, Huffington Post, Esquire, Entertainment Weekly, People, British GQ, The Economic Times, and numerous more).

I can't see any reason not to mentionsomething about it. I can see paring it down so one doesn't include the whole section to his wife (although that section has been printed in full in many publications). But I don't understand why people keep deleting the whole entire thing without keeping some few sentences that talk about this speech and his virality. What I tentatively had is below (though again, I think it could either be pared down, or perhaps maybe even the speech part put a quote box, or whatever?):

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When accepting the Best Supporting Actor Academy Award in 2025, Culkin used his speech to ask his wife for more children,^[1][2] saying, "Please don't play the music, because I want to tell a really quick story about Jazz. A year ago, I said that I wanted a third kid, because she said if I won the award, she would give me the kid. Turns out she said that because she didn't think I was going to win. Anyway, after the show, we're walking through a parking lot. She's holding the Emmy and she goes, 'Oh, god, I did say that. I guess I owe you a third kid.' I turned to her and said, 'Really, I want four.' And she turned to me -- I swear to god this happened -- and said, 'I will give you four when you win an Oscar.'" The audience then laughed as he said, "I held my hand out, she shook it and I have not brought it up once until just now. You remember that, honey?" He finished by saying, "I just have to say to you, Jazz, love of my life, ye of little faith -- no pressure. I love you. I'm really sorry I did this again. And let's get cracking on those kids. What do you say? I love you. I love. I love you."^[3][4][5][6]

It caused Slate Magazine to call him "the best part of this Oscar season."^[7] Esquire said Culkin "saved his best victory speech for last [of awards season]."^[8]Wikipedian339 (talk)18:28, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's very bloated and fluffy. It needs to be way, way shorter. The bit about having another child is suitable for an entertainment website, not Wikipedia.soetermans.^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B ATALK}13:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're saying this after I *already* tried to put in a much more streamlined version that you immediately reverted (and that I also put in a new subject on this very talk page that I tagged you in below)Wikipedian339 (talk)14:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His Oscar speech has been covered extensively at length in reputable publications. (And this is a class-c article, so adding some more info/detail on him that's been extraordinarily well-covered in secondary sources should be potentially a good thing?) I don't understand why there can't be some things added about this speech that got tons and tons of coverage in reputable sources?

I tried to add something about it and @DiaMali reverted a couple of times then said I was including too much of the speech. I took it to the talk page and no one said anything, though I didn't realize I was supposed to tag the editors in the talk page, so maybe that was the issue. Anyway, I streamlined my edit to include very little of the speech and give more relevant context to try to stop the back-and-forth, and@Soetermans reverted me immediately saying I'm being "disruptive" even though I totally disagree with that characterization; all I'm trying to do is add relevant *extremely* well-covered material to this page. I don't even care about Kieran Culkin all that much; I just don't understand why I'm running into a brick wall with this.

So, can you please tell me what this problem is with this edit (below) (I'm having trouble getting my inline citations back when copying and pasting this here, but you can look in the edit history, I had several and they're still in the history):

When accepting the Best Supporting Actor Academy Award in 2025, Culkin used his speech to ask his wife for more children. It was a callback to his speech from when he won Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series at the75th Primetime Emmy Awards and used that speech to ask for a third child. At the time of the speech, they have two children, and he stated he really wanted four, ending his Oscars speech with, "I just have to say to you, Jazz, love of my life, ye of little faith -- no pressure. I love you. I'm really sorry I did this again. And let's get cracking on those kids. What do you say? I love you. I love. I love you."

When talking about the speech,Slate Magazine to called him "the best part of this Oscar season."Esquire said Culkin "saved his best victory speech for last [of awards season]," whileThe New York Times asked, "Publicly Asking Your Wife for More Kids: Adorable, or a Real Pain?"Wikipedian339 (talk)13:22, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I do think that it should be included in some capacity. The reason why I reverted your original edit was because you posted the latter of the portion word-for-word, which was not needed. There is a small excerpt about his speeches in the "Public image" subsection; we can expand that sentence to include this.DiaMali (talk)15:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So currently, the sentence reads, "His acceptance speeches during various awards ceremonies have been praised for its humorous and self-deprecating nature." I plan on changing that to "His improvised award acceptance speeches, particularly surrounding an in-joke with his wife about wanting more children, garnered significant media attention." That way both the Oscar and Emmy speeches are mentioned in a way.DiaMali (talk)15:29, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed sentence change byDiaMali is appropriate for an encyclopedia; and for the section. This particular speech is no different than speeches given in the past. There will be more in the future that does not warrant textual inclusion. As for receiving "tons and tons of coverage in reputable sources" and "extraordinarily well-covered" might be exaggerating a bit much. It is merelyWP:recentism and bordering on tabloid. Regardless, simply because something is covered (even in RS), doesn't merit inclusion at WP. It is similar to the reason why an image does not accompany this content: "Fashion critics noticed his recurring motif of wearing an assortment of rings, nail polishes and friendship bracelets on his right arm" in the same section.Maineartists (talk)16:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DiaMali Okay, well, I think you could've kept parts without completely just reverting it. But that's a different issue that doesn't matter. As to the edit at hand, is there a reason it has to be only one sentence? I'm absolutely not married to be it being *exactly* the way I phrase it or anything. But I think it's worthwhile to say which Emmys and which award he first did it and then followed it up at the Oscars. I also think there's maybe something worth saying (especially about representing different secondary source POVs) about how it has started a discussion about whether it's appropriate to like pressure one's wife in public etc. (see NY Times article here:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/06/style/kieran-culkin-oscar-speech-2025.html)

Like, what's the specific problem with my new suggestion (above, and I'lll also paste here, and assume I put all the inline citations back, they didn't didn't past over here for some reason:

Proposed addition:

When accepting the Best Supporting Actor Academy Award in 2025, Culkin used his speech to ask his wife for more children. It was a callback to his speech from when he won Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series at the75th Primetime Emmy Awards and used that speech to ask for a third child. At the time of the speech, they have two children, and he stated he really wanted four, ending his Oscars speech with, "I just have to say to you, Jazz, love of my life, ye of little faith -- no pressure. I love you. I'm really sorry I did this again. And let's get cracking on those kids. What do you say? I love you. I love. I love you."

When talking about the speech,Slate Magazine to called him "the best part of this Oscar season."Esquire said Culkin "saved his best victory speech for last [of awards season]," whileThe New York Times asked, "Publicly Asking Your Wife for More Kids: Adorable, or a Real Pain?"Wikipedian339 (talk)16:54, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is fluffy, flowery and unnecessary. The entire quote should go - this is an article about an actor, not about an award-winning speech giver. No matter if reliable sources discussed it, his love for his family and how he showed it publicly is trivial.soetermans.^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B ATALK}17:49, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't personally view it at all as 'love for his family' or publicly showing it. I'm actually in the NYT camp of wondering if it's appropriate for the speech. But you can tell what a neutral POV I'm putting on it by the fact that you're talking like I'm trying to show love for his family. I don't think someone going viral for their *Oscar* speech, which spurred the New York Times to write an entire article dedicated to whether that was appropriate is not wholly trivial enough to not be included on his wikipedia page. Yes, he is an actor, and actors do things like give speeches and he already has a "public image" second on his page where this would go just fine.

In the below suggestion, I took out any quote whatsoever. It's purely factual, boring and not "flowery" at all. (Also, we have incredibly different definitions of what flowery is as I would think "flowery" would describe something more like "Distinguished actor Culkin gives a beautiful speech expressing deep love for his gorgeous wife" blah blah blah etc. which is never what this has been.) The below suggestion is exactly 3 sentences to describe 2 speeches that got a lot of coverage and a little of the public reaction/response (assume I put the inline citations back when actually putting it back in the article):

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While accepting the Best Supporting Actor Academy Award in 2025, Culkin went viral for using his speech to ask his wife Jazz for more children. It was a callback to his speech from when he won Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series at the75th Primetime Emmy Awards, in which he asked her for a third child; in his Oscar speech, he said he really wanted four.

Slate Magazine called his speech "the best part of this Oscar season."Esquire said Culkin "saved his best victory speech for last [of awards season]," whileThe New York Times asked, "Publicly Asking Your Wife for More Kids: Adorable, or a Real Pain?"

Wikipedian339 (talk)18:19, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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