Talk:Islam and war
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The article is opposing Islam. The only holy wars are the ones that were fought in the life of Muhammad.And I find linking Jihad to Nazi Germany very offensive. How many European christian leaders and citizens have visited and worked with Nazi Germany?? You don't criticize Christianity for that do you.Many evidences of false logic in this article. --Obay bol (talk)13:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that such clashes and single killings are wars. Who thinks opposite? -Sayfulhaqq (talk)20:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would hardly call these clashes - they are too one-sided. Single killings? Perhaps 'history of jihad' is better or better still 'Christians and Jews in the History of Jihad'.Shoshiwas (talk)18:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This article is heavily opposed to Islam and far from being objective.88.250.161.174 (talk)01:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)ko[reply]
What is this? I don't think that the writers of this article really know what is jihad. I'm afraid it's sole aim is inflaming islamophy. As a muslim what should I do, writing a new article named 'War and XYZ religion' and pouring in it all the subjective opinions of my own? No that's not the way wikipedia offers. At least as I understood.Rugyu (talk)09:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What is this article about? Is it supposed to behistory of jihad? If so, then I propose we move it to such.VRtalk12:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why no article with this subject?? There have been many wars of religion in europe and either a page should be created about that or this page should be deleted.— Precedingunsigned comment added by81.178.173.56 (talk)11:41, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This section is both factually incorrect and also not written in a NPOV.— Precedingunsigned comment added byOxr033 (talk •contribs)01:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just reading it and it's terrible. Riddled with factual inaccuracies. it's heavily biased and there's no real attempt to portray a NPOV. It completely ignores the contexts in which these incidents and wars took place.
It's very easy in hindsight to ascribe every war in history between Muslims and non-Muslims in the context of 'holy war' and 'jihad', but in reality there were a multitude of very complex factors that led to these events, like any war. The lack of space, the drive for resources, the quest for power, all sorts of internal problems. Lumping every conflictbetween Muslims and non-Muslims in one "Islam + war" article in just plain wrong. I think for many contributors it's a subversiveattempt to portray the adherents to the religion of Islam as bloodthirsty savages intent on conquest and subjugation. Can someone with a better grasp of history and neutral language tidy this article up? I can just picture a future Breivik reading this and seething.Oxr033 (talk)22:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated this article for deletion because I think it's entire premise is flawed. It is impossible to ascertain to what extent and to what degree religion played a role in all these conflicts of the last 1300 years. I may as well write an article called "Male Height and Rape", or "Baldness and Murder". I'm pretty sure I could find some statistical correlation if I looked hard enough and ignored things that didn't chime with my view. EVEN if you found some historical text stating religious motivation was the primary purpose of this conflict, nobody really knows for certain if it was, as all of these sources are written in English and from a Christian western perspective and so how relevant is it to even mention it?Oxr033 (talk)23:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
YES I forward the nomination.
I too strongly accept the above stated view. Apart from being a western perspective, this article is biased for sure. This is one of those organisations which is spreading islamophobia and complete wrong in-formations about Islam. As mentioned earlier in this Wikipedia the whole world knows about the crusades and the many other wars waged by Christianity or many other religions of the world. It seems that the person who has started this Wikipedia has no knowledge about the European history, world history.
I would like to bring it to the notice that ARAB language does not refer only to muslims, kindly know the world better ... there are arab christians and arab jews in the world. When the Quran was revealed to the Propephet , the people living in mecca and around mecca were non muslims and their language was arabic. The jews , the pagans who were living in and around mecca were speaking arabic.
NO, I believe we need this article.
I came here, looking for the information in this article, and even information that's missing from it.Downstrike (talk)19:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What about the muslim invasion of France stopped byCharles Martel atPoitiers in 732, which was to bring 68 years laterCharlemagne to the throne ?212.198.148.180 (talk)18:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We need some explanation of what the Islamic state had seized BEFORE the article tells us, "The European crusaders re-conquered much of the territory seized by the Islamic state"Downstrike (talk)19:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The sourcing of this article is extremely poor quality. Many of the references used are not historical scholars but anti-Islam polemicists. My initial reaction on reading this mess was to suggest deletion, but I am cognisant ofWP:UNRS,WP:DINC andWP:RUBBISH.
As examples of what I am referring to, this article (selectively) summarises many events which are covered elsewhere in wikipedia. Events I know a little about such asFarhud,1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine,1920 Nebi Musa riots,1834 looting of Safed and1660 destruction of Safed have articles which are sourced with scholarly references and provide a relatively balanced view of the context and drivers of these events. However their summaries in this article are little more than naked anti-Islamic hysteria, with scant regard for the appropriate context. I am sure this applies to many of the other events in this article which I am less qualified to comment on.
Oncenawhile (talk)08:28, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
IsPacifism in Islam aPOV fork of this article and they should be merged? We already had a discussion about thishere, but I think that this is a better place to discuss it due the subject of the articles.Rupert Loup (talk)00:53, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What is the article meant to be? If a disussion of the 'philosophical' attitude to war, then merge with pacifism makes sense, if simply an itemising of Islam's involvement in war, then a merge is not apt. I can't make out what the article IS about, but it does seem to have major issues.Pincrete (talk)23:27, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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What does the sectionIslam_and_war#Axis_Europe have to do with Islam? What is the scope of this article anyway? To list every instance of Muslims being involved in a war? This article also seems to overlap withIslam and violence. In case ofChristianity and war, that article was merged withChristianity and violence.VRtalk19:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
5 years ago@Pincrete:asked "what is the article meant to be?" I'm wondering the same thing. Should it be about theMilitary history of the Muslim world (likePharos suggested)? Otherwise we might be better of redirecting this toIslam and violence.VRtalk21:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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