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Q:Why does this article only include "minority" ethnic groups?
A:Because we apply the definition of "indigenous peoples" used by international legislation by the UN, UNESCO, the ILO and the WTO, which applies to those ethnic groups that were indigenous to a territory prior to being incorporated into a national state, and who are politically and culturally separate from the majority ethnic identity of the state of which they are a part.
Q:Why does this article not include European ethno-national groups such as the Irish, French, Georgians, etc.? They are also indigenous to their countries.
A:Yes, they are indigenous to their countries and territories, but they are notindigenous peoples under the definition used by international legislation described above. The reason this definition is useful is that under a broader definition of "indigenous" simply as "native to a territory", the definition would include all peoples and ethnic groups, because all groups are indigenous to somewhere. The article would then have the same scope as an article on the ethnic groups of the world and it would be redundant as a separate article. Furthermore, literature on indigenous peoples always applies a definition similar to that used in international legislation, precisely because otherwise it would simply be an article about human political, cultural and migrational history; that is another topic.This is the RfC in which the inclusion criteria were decided by broad consensus.
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"indigenous", a functional definition

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“Indigenous” = “natural constituents”

To understand better how the physically deterministic aspects of genealogy relates to the more complex question of identity in terms of geopolitical and geographical aspects of ethnodemographics, - requires a Darwinian approach to the “genealogical” aspect of Homo Sapiens identity (supposing that is the “natural constituent” we are considering);In short, aspects of physical determinism we think of as genealogically relevant to Homo Sapiens include meaningfully different higher and lower aspects of psychological and neurological function, in genetic expression allowing thereby, a relation to aspects of Natural History. As a result, the sense of “meaningful relation” to specific kinds of “natural constituency” are expressed by way of the Presence or Absence of other aspects of “natural constituency” (other aspects of nature), therefore contributing to their relation, to a natural sense of relation to what otherwise would seem to be best characterized as sociohistorical, or geopolitical. (Homo sapien identity is, redundantly enough, “sapiens”, and these genealogies therefore are expressive of some meaningful sense of relation).

To further clarify the preceding definition, it may be useful to consider that the usage of the term “indigenous” most often means “identity which is natural without respect to the influence of cultures or history”; as with the term “authcthonous”, or it’s figurative translation “people of the earth”Sio8927 (talk)01:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contribution. If you can cite a reliable source for this, it can be summarised and added to the section on Definitions. For policy on sourcing content please refer toWP:VERIFYAemilius Adolphin (talk)01:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Short description

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Another editor recently changed the short description for this article from "Peoples who identify as Indigenous and have a special attachment to their traditional territory" to "Ethnic groups from original inhabitants of a region". The changed short description was wrong because the article and the sources clearly state that indigenous peoples are not necessarily descendants of the first inhabitants of a region. The previous short description more accurately reflected the article but was very long. I believe no short description is necessary because the article title sufficiently explains what the article is about and the content of the article explains that there is no single agreed definition of indigenous peoples.

Happy to discussAemilius Adolphin (talk)02:11, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat agree the article does not need a short description, the meaning of the title is likely as inherently meaningful as any short description could be. Both of the examples exceed the ideal 40 characters, although the latter less so.CMD (talk)02:54, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are Europeans not indigenous to Europe?

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If indigenous means native, then yes, right?2600:4040:445F:2300:98DC:C93E:9277:7C64 (talk)15:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you readIndigenous peoples#Definitions, you'll see that most contemporary sources don't define the term in that way.Cordless Larry (talk)15:33, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Misuse of source: Indigenous identity is not determined by Western colonization.[4]

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I cannot find the tag to tag this but where does it say this in the source? Here is the source and I went to page 6, nothing contained there to verify this statement. The UN source is used a lot but does not match up with what is written. [[https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/E_C_19_2009_14_en.pdf]]Inayity (talk)08:38, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inayity You are looking at the wrong document. The source can be found here:[1] Page 6 states: "The Report of the Working Group of Experts on Indigenous Populations/Communities of the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights therefore emphasizes that the concept of indigenous must be understood in a wider context than only the colonial experience."
Please read all of page 6. I suggest to then self-revert your change to the article. You can add a link to the website if you wish.
ThanksAemilius Adolphin (talk)09:24, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot how to edit references but someone should add a direct link to the cited material to avoid mixups. thanks.Inayity (talk)10:56, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Aemilius Adolphin (talk)23:44, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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