Talk:Hymnwriter
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@Hymnodist.2004: Even if there were areliable source that used this term, vagueness in the definition ofhymn makes the question of who these people are even more vague. I don't think this article is precise enough to serve any purpose on Wikipedia.
Definitions ofhymnodist in online dictionaries include "one who studies hymns", "one who writes commentary to accompany hymns", and (rarely) "onevwho sings hymns". Even if kept, andkthere is something to be said, the name needs to be changed. —Arthur Rubin(talk)15:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Not only does the term "hymnodist" have too much ambiguity, it is also unknown in the UK. I came across this article after it (or its "hymnist" redirect) was being applied inaccurately to articles about UK hymn-text writers.
We already have articles:
The majority of practising hymnwriters (I'm one in real life) would not call themselves hymnologists (academics); similarly many brilliant hymnologists would never claim to be hymnwriters (practitioners).
It could well be argued that we need the articlehymnology (academic study) to be expanded. And that we need a complementary article "hymn writing" (comparescreenwriting) and perhaps "hymnwriter" (comparescreenwriter). But I'm not a fan of this unusual, poorly-defined and regionally-limited (USA only?) term "hymnist".
I propose, initially at least, that this article, whose current content is about writers, be renamed "hymnwriter" (likewise occurrences of the term within it).
Feline Hymnic (talk)21:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I submitted the rename request a few minutes ago and it has been done.Feline Hymnic (talk)12:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Anome andFrayae: We had achieved consensus, over a period of nearly two months, to rename the article to "Hymnwriter". I put in the request this morning andUser:Frayae kindly implemented it. I began to edit the article to change the principle term to be "hymnwriter" (rather than "hymnodist").
But I see thatUser:The Anome reverted the move. I would be grateful if you would explain this reversion-after-consensus. Can we please move it, as agreed, to "Hymnwriter" (or "Hymn writer). (Or give clear reasoning for not doing so.)Feline Hymnic (talk)16:16, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've found an actual cite for the use of the word "hymnodist" to mean "hymn writer":https://www.jstor.org/stable/25011311?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Comparing the use of this vs. "hymn writer", it's clear that "hymn writer" is overwhelmingly more popular:https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=hymnodist%2C+hymn+writer&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Chymnodist%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Chymn%20writer%3B%2Cc0
Conclusions:
--The Anome (talk)09:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
